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Department of Justice; Racist?

Recently a case passed by J. Christian Adams for Voter Intimidation.  The black panthers were infront of a Philladelphia voting place. Armed and throwing racial slurs at the white people going in. Such as "Now you get to be ruled by a black man" ETC.  The case was dropped.

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Side Score: 25
3 points

I saw this on the news. I thought that it was a stupid decision on all accounts and would bring up many racial things. The way that those people were behaving was horrible, and yet, they get the case thrown out.

I also thought that it was crazy how some news stations treated FOX for showing it. They made them seem like they were the bad guys for telling people the news.

Side: yes
1 point

This is what we can expect from our president.

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Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
2 points

This is what we can expect from our president.

It doesn't have to do with our president, it's a matter of different jurisdictions.

Side: No
1 point

The head of the DoJ was appointed there by Obama so the voice of the DoJ is the voice of Obama.

The case was dropped because the convicted were black and the victims were white.

The case had all the evidence in the world! A video and multiple witnesses.

Its just like the Bart-cop incident. A black man was shooting up people in a Bart station and a White cop shot him. THe white cop was guilty of manslaughter.

The DoJ believe as long as races aren't "even" in this country, If blacks are convicted of a federal crime and the victims are white the case will be dropped.

Thats Obama speaking. You want this type of animal leader our country?

As long as the DoJ believes that its going to stay that way and they or anyone else will not try and fix the econemy for blacks.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
3 points

The head of the DoJ was appointed there by Obama so the voice of the DoJ is the voice of Obama.

Not exactly, at best it means he had Obama's approval when appointed. The DoJ speaks for himself.

The case was dropped because the convicted were black and the victims were white.

The case had all the evidence in the world! A video and multiple witnesses.

Are you sure? There could be other reasons, the law might not have applied for example, did you even consider that?

Thats Obama speaking. You want this type of animal leader our country?

It's the DoJ speaking alone. Guilt by association doesn't work.

Personally I like how Obama helps us recognise the bigots out there, and how he really irks them.

Side: No
ThePyg(6738) Disputed
2 points

I would say that either Obama has just been an unlucky son of gun when it comes to the people he surrounds himself with, or the man's an incompetent moron who should not be making decisions for the fate of this country.

I DON'T know much about the DoJ case, but before that, so far, Obama has been horrible when it comes to appointees, friends, and political allies. In general, it's a pretty weak argument to try and defend Obama on this subject when it happens to him ALL the time. Sure, a couple of dumbasses aren't Obama's fault, but a swarm of them is pretty fishy.

Side: yes
MegaDittos(571) Disputed
1 point

Keeping his job means he is doing what his employer is asking him to do.

This is not McDonalds where the employer doesn't care what you think and just wants the job done.

The DOJ is hand picked and directed by his boss and only one boss.

Why the great effort to remove Obama from any decision any appointee makes?

Other presidents are responsible for anything the military does but Obama is in no way responsible for the DOJ??????

Side: yes
Sulith(508) Disputed
1 point

Are you sure? There could be other reasons, the law might not have applied for example, did you even consider that?

Yes I have read the surface report and have gone more indepth with it.

It's the DoJ speaking alone.

As I said Obama appointed this main to be where he is now. Are you telling me that Obama and him have completly different ideas?

Side: yes
Bohemian(3860) Disputed
2 points

While I haven't personally been following this case, I don't think you should be so quick to make surface judgments. You say the evidence consists of A video and some witnesses. Witnesses are perhaps the least reliable form of evidence in any type of crime. The relationship to the defendant, inconsistency of remarks, questionable history are all grounds to consider a witness unreliable. Videos can also be quite difficult to convict with, since they are often very fuzzy or difficult to see even if you are lucky enough to catch a crime on tape, especially if you never get a clear view of the defendant's face. So there are a number of factors to consider, they probably just didn't have convincing enough evidence. More and more often we find that a jury won't convict someone unless they have some type of DNA evidence.

So I think it's a little presumptuous to so quickly attribute this to racism, often people will declare anything racist that they don't agree with.

Side: No
Sulith(508) Disputed
1 point

You say the evidence consists of A video and some witnesses

Oh let me scratch that MULTIPLE videos and well over twenty witnesses.

Videos are often "fuzzy" eh? Well let me give you this video.

http://www.ohlookaforum.com/sick-vids-f21/dnepropetrovsk-maniacs-ukraine-murder-video-guys-hammer-3guys1hammer-t102.html#p279

Oh no in that video there just helping a old guy up.

This exact video was used in the court case. It was enough convincing evidence for that Judge.

Side: yes
1 point

Everyone's racist. the DOJ is very racist and has a long history of being racist towards BLACKS. I think now they're trying to correct things by balancing it out, but its still racist.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

Everyone's racist. the DOJ is very racist and has a long history of being racist towards BLACKS. I think now they're trying to correct things by balancing it out, but its still racist.

It's not racism, it's culturally-induced guilt.

Side: No
KatieMarie(288) Disputed
1 point

Hunny I have no racism in my blood. I was taught not to hate anyone because of their skin color or religious beliefs.

Side: yes
1 point

i have nothing agianst balck people but they really do need to drop the racism card it stopped over 100 years ago and has not occurred since. it is people likie Al sharpton and Jesse jackson who are the real reacists in this country.

Side: yes
1 point

If a white man was accused of rape and there was no proof, he would more than likely get off. But if a african-american male was placed under the same circumstances, he would more than likely be placed under arrest and be accused of it for the rest of his life. Don't belive me? There is a case of that going on in Cass County Texas. (there were no white men involved) but there was 12 african-american men arrested for the rape of a 15yr old girl. The DOJ had proof that only 8 of the men had part of it. But all 12 are setting in state prison.

Side: yes
1 point

All one has to do is watch the real news and it's obvious that most in the present regime are racist.

Side: yes
0 points

Absolutely and it shows their true agenda, fairness is never about equality, it's about the change of power in their minds. Their power over others is fine, their presumption of power over them was wrong.

Side: yes
0 points

Yes, just another losing position for Obama in 2012. Obama and his socialist cronies have driven america to dangerous positions.

Side: yes
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

Yes, just another losing position for Obama in 2012. Obama and his socialist cronies have driven america to dangerous positions.

Look, I really don't care what your opinions are, live and let live, but for Christ's sake LEARN THE LANGUAGE. Your usage of the word "socialist" implies your understanding of what socialism is comes only from listening to pundits, and that you never cracked a book open and read about it.

Side: No
2 points

See what happens when you watch fox?

Bush's doj dismissed this case in '99 link - because basically it is a joke, it's a couple crazy people no different than the crazies downtown yelling about the end of the world. There was no substantiated evidence on top of the fact that it was only a couple of crazies anyway. It was all "he said she said this happened" junk.

Recently now 1... count them 1 person filed a civil suit. And this person worked for the Bush DOJ. It's an obvious sabatage from the far right and look at all the racists and dumb dumbs fall right in line with it ><

Side: No
Sulith(508) Disputed
1 point

It was all "he said she said this happened" junk.

Maybe you should read one of my post.

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You say the evidence consists of A video and some witnesses

Oh let me scratch that MULTIPLE videos and well over twenty witnesses.

Videos are often "fuzzy" eh? Well let me give you this video.

http://www.ohlookaforum.com/sick-vids-f21/dnepropetrovsk-maniacs-ukraine-murder-video-guys-hammer-3guys1hammer-t102.html#p279

Oh no in that video there just helping a old guy up.

This exact video was used in the court case. It was enough convincing evidence for that Judge.

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This isn't the "He said she said" crap that you are talking about. Oh yeah and way to use Bush's DoJ as a good excuse for Obama to do the same. I always thought two wrongs didn't make a right?

Also, it's a couple crazy people no different than the crazies downtown yelling about the end of the world. do you not understand voter intimidation?

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

The DOJ has better things to do than worry about 2 crazy people at 1 polling place where there is no evidence of any violence whatsoever. Let the local law enforcement handle it.

This is only an issue because Fox spends more time on it than they do on the oil spill. It's another example of the far right trying to divide the country by race.

Side: No

No, DOJ knows that their comments was wishful thinking ;)

Side: No