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Did Christ really come to save everyone?
All Christians have this fantasy vision about heaven and hell, and now they have this fantasy vision that Christ is coming to save every person who believes in Him. That's false. Just because Matt 24:14; Rev 7:9, etc.... says ALL NATIONS, does not mean that every person who believes in Christ is going to be saved. The verse is not talking about every person of every nationality, it only pertains to one nation, and that is Israel. The Most High God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33), and you Christians are certianly confused. There is no such thing as spiritual Israel in the Bible.
Why would Christ say in Matthew 15:24 that He was sent unto the lost sheep of Israel, then say He was sent for all nations? Christ would contradict Himself and so would God.
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Christ came to save everyone, catholics have the fullness of the truth and we do understand the bible, and our lady of fatima is the best evidence for the existence of hell,how to avoid it and such. look up the story, to this day no one can explain what happened that day, even mass hysteria has been ruled out because people all over portugal witnessed the events that took place.thats all i came to argue. we need fatima Side: Yes
Technically, this depends upon your religion and so you can choose what you like. personally, i'm a christian and so i believe that jesus did come to save everyone who believed in him. many accounts have been found showing how that many links saying how science is wrong by many youtubers and christians for instance like a channel "WhiteRabbit". you should check them out for more info. but because i'm a christian, i truly believe jesus will soon come down to earth to save everyone who truly puts their faith into christ Side: Yes
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Yes Jesus Christ came to save everyone, again John 3:16-17 says "16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." Is that clear enough for you? I know it is for me Side: Yes
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The entire planet, which you seem to think is going to be your kingdom. Well sorry to burst your ego bubble, its GOD"S KINGDOM. I pray that He will open your eyes that have been blinded by lies, God bless you. Plus you sound more like a follower of satan than anything else. saying that you are Israel, when you are a gentile just like I am. God has a set number of Israelites set aside who still love Him and they will be revealed in due time. For now we must be ready at every moment for Jesus's return, when we will meet Him in the skies. We are in the end times and we need to be ready. Side: Yes
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Last time im saying this, HE created HIS KINGDOM FOR ALL WHO ARE SAVED, NOT JUST THE JEWS. You really need to stop insulting us Christians, because all the swear words you use are going to bite you in the near term. Jesus asks us not to swear and to have clean words come out of our mouths. What you are saying about Christians aka followers of Jesus Christ is that we need to stop following Jesus and only follow the Father. My answer to that is NO! I will not repent of following Jesus Christ! He is the Savior of the world and not just the Israelites. Of course you dont associate with us Christians because you think we are dammed for hell, the truth is that you are mistaken and may the Lord deal with you accordingly, I dont believe for one second that you are a Jew. Your lies will stop right now in Jesus Name! In the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit i mute your lying tongue forever! Side: Yes
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It's funny how when ya'll get upset, you go and mark a down vote on someones argument. That is hilarious because you can't take the heat so you put a down vote on someone thinking it is going to upset them. "Oh I don't like what they said, so let me take a point away from them because they said something I don't like." hahahaha lol. Christians can't take the heat, man o man, lol. :D Side: No
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Show me the verse that says all nations will be saved and then show me the precepts for the Scripture. You have provided no precepts with any Scripture you presented. Therefore, what you presented means nothing because God commands us that PRECEPT MUST BE UPON PRECEPT! -Isa 28:10 Side: No
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You have to understand. I am the real Hebrew so I expect to see Scripture when you want to argue a topic. I'm not a Christian where you just present a couple of verses and talk for an hour and a half about non-sense that has nothing to do with the Scripture. We real Hebrews want to see Scripture, we don't care about how you feel and what you think the Bible says. Support your evidence with the Bible, not your word! Side: No
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I want proof that you are Hebrew, from what tribe of Israel are you from? Dont even dare lie to me, because i will know if you are. Im ready to give you the finale, cuz you are not Hebrew. You are gentile like me and you know it! So i say this last warning, have fun dealing with Antichrist while I am meeting my Savior face to face. Also the third blood moon is coming in April, meaning we are that much closer to the rapture than ever. Last blood moon is in September. Have a nice night thinking about that :D Side: Yes
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You Christians want proof of everything but ya'll don't want to show no proof when you're asked to clarify something. I'll be the grown up and give you proof. I want proof that you are Hebrew, from what tribe of Israel are you from? I'm from the Southern Kingdom of Israel, from the Tribe of Judah, the same tribe Christ came from -Heb 7:14. Side: No
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First of all, i realize why people warned me about you, second of all God has the final say where im going and not you. Third of all, i pity you so much because you have been taught that Jesus Christ only loves certain people, when the fact of the matter is HE loves everyone. You are horrible at witnessing to others, because telling them they are going to hell is not going to get them to even think about Jesus Christ, I personally would not even talk to a person such as you because you just hate other people so you make it seem that God hates the same people as you. You think you can just force God to do your bidding, well i believe God is about to teach you a few lessons buddy. He is going to turn your world upside down and keep it like that for His timing. Im not going to say when He will do this because i dont even know, but from what the Holy Spirit is telling me, its coming soon. The Lord is sick and tired of you lying to people that He hates them, and since you did not get His message that i sent you, in Scripture last night well then, you will see what He does. Also if you dont believe me, thats fine with me but i have warned you for the last time. He is going to turn your world and your debates upside down. Im just saying what i hear from the Holy Spirit, so have a nice day and God Bless you. :D Side: Yes
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First of all God is not black, He is a spirit. As Genesis 1:1 says "1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." Second of all, the cross is not an idol, it is a symbol of Jesus's death and the cleansing of our sins. Plus you are a false prophet just like Jesus warned His disciples about. "True and False Prophets 15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them." Also stop judging people because Jesus said "7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. 6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." You wanted scripture and i gave it to you. plus Jesus also said "38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. Love for Enemies 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Im done arguing with you, have fun living your life. I will enjoy the presence of the Lord in my life for as long as I live. May your lies be exposed by the light of Jesus Christ before everyone on here in Jesus Name. Side: Yes
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Look, I think your a kid, who has been lied to too much. First of all God is not black, He is a spirit. God is black. Daniel 7:9 - I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. {Black people are the only people that have hair like wool. You need a body to have a garment. A spirit can go through things, therefore if God was a Spirit, the garment would fall straight through HIM.} As Genesis 1:1 says "1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." Genesis 1:1 is when Christ and the Angels created heaven and earth. God has counsel in heaven Precept to Genesis 1:1 1 King 22:19-20: And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. {The Most High is having counsel with HIS angelic Host… Christ and the angels were instructed to create heaven and earth by The Most High God. That is why in Genesis 1:26 is says, " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" The “us” and “our” is referring to The Father; Jesus Christ, and the angels. We know Christ was with our Father in heaven according to Psalms 110:1} Second of all, the cross is not an idol, it is a symbol of Jesus's death and the cleansing of our sins. Plus you are a false prophet just like Jesus warned His disciples about. "True and False Prophets You just said it's a symbol of death, why are ya'll worshiping a symbol that represents death? Also stop judging people because Jesus said "7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. I'm the true saint so I have a right to judge the world. 1 Corinthians 6:2 - Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Im done arguing with you, have fun living your life. I will enjoy the presence of the Lord in my life for as long as I live. May your lies be exposed by the light of Jesus Christ before everyone on here in Jesus Name. Side: No
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Well then i guess i will say nothing else, because you are waisting your time trying to convert me, because I WILL NEVER COME TO YOUR SIDE. I will never turn my back on Jesus Christ, HE is my refuge and HE is my strength. I claim the promise of Psalm 91 in Jesus Name. I know in my heart im going to heaven, and there is nothing you can do Yahshraela to change that. I CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD, SHOW EVERYONE THAT I AM YOUR CHILD ABBA FATHER, AND DONT LET ME BE SHAMED. LORD JESUS I LOVE YOU, ABBA FATHER I LOVE YOU, HOLY SPIRIT I LOVE YOU :D I can not wait to see you Lord Jesus, I cant wait to talk with You and ask you so many questions, i am so excited to see my home in heaven, Maranatha Lord Jesus :D <3 Side: Yes
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Look, I think your a kid, who has been lied to too much. First of all God is not black, He is a spirit. God is black. Daniel 7:9 - I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. {Black people are the only people that have hair like wool. You need a body to have a garment. A spirit can go through things, therefore if God was a Spirit, the garment would fall straight through HIM.} As Genesis 1:1 says "1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." Genesis 1:1 is when Christ and the Angels created heaven and earth. God has counsel in heaven Precept to Genesis 1:1 1 King 22:19-20: And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. {The Most High is having counsel with HIS angelic Host… Christ and the angels were instructed to create heaven and earth by The Most High God. That is why in Genesis 1:26 is says, " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" The “us” and “our” is referring to The Father; Jesus Christ, and the angels. We know Christ was with our Father in heaven according to Psalms 110:1} Second of all, the cross is not an idol, it is a symbol of Jesus's death and the cleansing of our sins. Plus you are a false prophet just like Jesus warned His disciples about. "True and False Prophets You just said it's a symbol of death, why are ya'll worshiping a symbol that represents death? Also stop judging people because Jesus said "7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. I'm the true saint so I have a right to judge the world. 1 Corinthians 6:2 - Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Im done arguing with you, have fun living your life. I will enjoy the presence of the Lord in my life for as long as I live. May your lies be exposed by the light of Jesus Christ before everyone on here in Jesus Name. You enjoy your whitewashed Jesus, that white jesus cannot save you because that white jesus is the image of the beast. 2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Jesus is a black man, not white. Revelations 1:14-15 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; {Black people are the only people that have hair like wool; His eyes were as a flame of fire because He drank wine} 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. {What color is brass? Brown and when it's burned in a furnace it's dark brown.} Side: No
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Isaiah 40:17 - All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity. All nations before God are as nothing; and they are counted to HIM less than nothing (all other nations that are not Israel are less than nothing), and vanity (worthless) (all other nations are worthless). This is coming from the Bible, not me. One piece of advice I give you as you are growing in Christianity, don't trust what your pastor says, read the Bible for yourself. I was in Christianity, so I know what it's all about. Christianity doesn't follow the Bible and everything that Christians do, God hates. I thought God was an "all-loving" God, but when I read in the Bible that HE hates, I thought to myself, I thought God loved everyone, why does the Bible say HE hates Esau, that's not love when someone has hatred for someone else. So read the Bible for yourself, don't believe what your pastor tells you because they are the false prophets, especially when they say that the Law is done away with. The Bible is the Law so them telling you the Law is done away with, is them telling you The Bible is done away with because The Bible is the Law. Joshua 1:8 - This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success. Most likely you are not going to take my advice and your going to believe everything your pastor tells you, but hey, that's on you. I know who I am according to the Bible, the truth has made me free. Side: No
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You are right in that im not going to take your advice because what the pastors preach here are far more loving than what you are saying. People need to hear that God loves them and not that they are going to hell. Seriously man, you are not witnessing the right way. have you read the comments about you from other people, they are tired of you preaching hell and destruction for all. Im honestly sick of hearing that im going to hell cause of my skin color, because that is not true at all. Side: Yes
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OK, THAT IS ENOUGH WITH THE HATE YAHSHRAELA! IM HONESTLY LIVID RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU ARE CONDEMNING PEOPLE! I HAVE HAD IT WITH YOUR HATETRED TOWARDS OTHER PEOPLE, MAY THE LORD DEAL WITH YOU SWIFTLY AND QUICKLY!!! HERE IS RIGHTEOUS FURY FOR YA! I SEND PSALM 109 UPON YOU IN JESUS NAME AND MAY IT STICK TO YOU UNTIL YOU LEARN WHO REALLY IS IN CONTROL, AND MAY YOU BE HUMBLED BEFORE THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. YOUR WORDS ARE FROM HELL ITSELF, SO WHY DONT YOU JUST QUIT WITH THE HATE SPEECHES AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFETIME! Psalm 109 For the director of music. Of David. A psalm. 1 My God, whom I praise, do not remain silent, 2 for people who are wicked and deceitful have opened their mouths against me; they have spoken against me with lying tongues. 3 With words of hatred they surround me; they attack me without cause. 4 In return for my friendship they accuse me, but I am a man of prayer. 5 They repay me evil for good, and hatred for my friendship. 6 Appoint someone evil to oppose my enemy; let an accuser stand at his right hand. 7 When he is tried, let him be found guilty, and may his prayers condemn him. 8 May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership. 9 May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow. 10 May his children be wandering beggars; may they be driven[a] from their ruined homes. 11 May a creditor seize all he has; may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor. 12 May no one extend kindness to him or take pity on his fatherless children. 13 May his descendants be cut off, their names blotted out from the next generation. 14 May the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the Lord; may the sin of his mother never be blotted out. 15 May their sins always remain before the Lord, that he may blot out their name from the earth. 16 For he never thought of doing a kindness, but hounded to death the poor and the needy and the brokenhearted. 17 He loved to pronounce a curse— may it come back on him. He found no pleasure in blessing— may it be far from him. 18 He wore cursing as his garment; it entered into his body like water, into his bones like oil. 19 May it be like a cloak wrapped about him, like a belt tied forever around him. 20 May this be the Lord’s payment to my accusers, to those who speak evil of me. 21 But you, Sovereign Lord, help me for your name’s sake; out of the goodness of your love, deliver me. 22 For I am poor and needy, and my heart is wounded within me. 23 I fade away like an evening shadow; I am shaken off like a locust. 24 My knees give way from fasting; my body is thin and gaunt. 25 I am an object of scorn to my accusers; when they see me, they shake their heads. 26 Help me, Lord my God; save me according to your unfailing love. 27 Let them know that it is your hand, that you, Lord, have done it. 28 While they curse, may you bless; may those who attack me be put to shame, but may your servant rejoice. 29 May my accusers be clothed with disgrace and wrapped in shame as in a cloak. 30 With my mouth I will greatly extol the Lord; in the great throng of worshipers I will praise him. 31 For he stands at the right hand of the needy, to save their lives from those who would condemn them. Side: Yes
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Im not a coward, i just know when to stop fueling the fire :D I know in my heart that im going to heaven, and that Jesus Christ came to save everyone and not just black and Latino people. I dont have to worry about my place in heaven, because I have given my life to Jesus Christ and im never going back. Also you dont know what love is until you give your life to Jesus Christ. You have no love in your posts, that is why i can tell you are a false prophet just like Jesus warned about in Matthew 24. Also its called i went to bed last night so i did not respond. Side: Yes
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Well you continue thinking that. That's the reason why you Christians believe God had sex with Mary, lol. You couldn't even answer one of my questions, so that alone lets me know that you area typical Christian coward that can't back up anything they say with Scripture. You run away when you are question about the Bible, that's a real man/woman of God. God doesn't want a weak man/woman, which you are, HE want's a MAN/WOMAN, Christians are girly as hell, ya'll have weak minds and souls that's the reason why ya'll have so much disgusting evil acts occurring in your churches. So you continue living in sin because that's how your going to die, in sin. Side: No
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Where did you hear that? because i honestly laughed so hard at that post, because its all lies. Im still growing in Jesus Christ, so im learning how to walk with Him each day. Plus i dont care what you say about me anymore, what God says about me matters more than anything you say. So keep the lies coming Yahshraela, because your life is about to change boy. I am a man of God because Jesus says i am. All of us as Christians have growing to do. Its a fact that no one is perfect, so God forgives us when we mess up. Jesus knows the struggle we go through, since he was human he dealt with the same things we deal with. Jesus knows the pain we are going through, He is here to help and not to condemn :D Side: Yes
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Hahahahahahaha, ya the white jesus and white god created by Christians say you are a man of god, but the black God and Black Messiah of the Bible say you are a drop of water compared to Israel. Isaiah 40:15 - Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing. You other nations are nothing compared to Israel, that's how The Most High God of The Bible sees ya'll. Good bye :) Side: No
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I believe the Lord says differently :D Jeremiah 29:11 "11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." Also Isaiah 41:10-13 says "10 So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand. 11 “All who rage against you will surely be ashamed and disgraced; those who oppose you will be as nothing and perish. 12 Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. 13 For I am the Lord your God who takes hold of your right hand" Im not afraid of your judgement, because Jesus and the Lord God Almighty are not black. They love everyone no matter what color skin they have, and no matter what situation they are currently in. So stop saying that they hate white people cuz they dont. Im shocked that someone would honestly say such harsh things and still be a follower of God. Lord i ask that You would bless everyone on here and allow them to feel Your love and acceptance of them for who they are, and bless their families and their friends, their finances, their relationships, and their lives. I also ask that all lies on here would be exposed to Your light in Jesus Name, and that the Truth would set people free. Lord Your word says that You sent Jesus here not to condemn the world but save the world through Him. I pray that Your light would shine through me and into other's lives here on CreateDebate. Thank you for this opportunity to be on this debate and to show Your love for the world. Thank you Lord Jesus for dying on the cross for the world, so that we have the choice to be with You in heaven forever. I pray you would bless every word I put into these arguments that defend Your Holy Name, and I pray that You would allow other Brothers and Sisters in Christ to comment on here and spread the Gospel. I pray this all in Jesus Name, Amen Side: Yes
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I didn't see this argument till now, but what the heck. You said Christ came to save all of their sins, I would like for you to explain why Peter says Christ came to save Israel of our sins. Acts 5:31 - Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. If you do not answer back it's because you are a liar, you go against The Most High God, especially for not keeping the Laws. Side: No
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God cares for everyone, and these verses proove it. Peter’s Vision 9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.” 14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.” 15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” 16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven. Peter at Cornelius’s House The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along. 24 The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26 But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.” 27 While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. 28 He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. 29 So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?” 30 Cornelius answered: “Three days ago I was in my house praying at this hour, at three in the afternoon. Suddenly a man in shining clothes stood before me 31 and said, ‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor. 32 Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He is a guest in the home of Simon the tanner, who lives by the sea.’ 33 So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.” 34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. 39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days. The Holy Spirit fell upon Gentiles while Peter was speaking to them. God has made a way for everyone to know Him and to have a relationship with Him. The god that you talk about is not the same one that I follow. I follow a God who is slow to anger and abounding in love, who is willing to forgive when you ask Him and so much more. Side: Yes
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You really like bashing us Christians dont you? You think its a game to you, and you think that you are right while everyone else is wrong. Im sick of your little game here, because you are no follower of God, you are no Jew, and your words are upsetting not only me, but other people. Your words are showing your true colors ,and thats why I blew up on you, to get you to show your true colors. Your words are nothing compared to the Word of God, and you are twisting the scriptures while i am just giving them to you plain and simple. I dont need to explain what word means what, because Scripture speaks for itself, i dont need to explain it to you. Have a blessed day brother Side: Yes
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My words? That's the Bible kid, if you don't like the Bible, stop reading it. It's not my fault your false prophets aren't teaching you this. You have not answer my question and the reason why you're not answering it is because you don't even know what Gentiles that Scripture you posted is make reference to. You blew up on me? When? I don't take anything you say offensive because I know what God I am giving the glory and honor to. I worship the God of the Bible, the Black God and Black Messiah, that's the real God the Bible speaks of; not that white homosexual Cesar Borgia that ya'll be worshiping, that's the image of the beast. Christianity is a bunch of wicked lies to brain wash people to join that religion, just like Islam and all the other religions of lies. When you post your Scriptures and you don't give the Precepts, I laugh because you are teaching lies. I don't have to explain what the verses mean because I give the Precepts to break it down for ya'll but ya'll is just to damn wicked and chose to ignore what the Bible says because it doesn't say what you want it to say. Man invented Christianity just as every other religion. You don't want to explain what Acts 5:31 says because you don't like what it says that's the reason why you are choosing to ignore it. I'm glad I stopped I left that fake religion of Christianity and stopped worshiping the image of the beast and the symbol of death. I don't care if I upset you or anyone else, it's the Bible and if you don't like it, then get out the kitchen. The Bible is not for everyone, it's for the Israelites, it has the history of the Israelites for a reason. In 70 A.D. the white man (romans) stole our book, read it, and made it a universal book. They took books out of the Bible to make ya'll think that the Bible is for everyone and today you fools believe the Bible is for everyone. The real Saints are rising and spreading this truth, whether you like it or not. Side: No
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Well then get ready for a revival across America, because the real Jesus Christ is coming back soon and i cant wait to meet Him in the air and go home to heaven. Yahshraela you can think whatever you want, because i really dont care anymore, and because you are waisting my time. You have made your choice on who you are following, so God will honor that choice. I know anyone who believes in Jesus Christ and asks Him into their life will be saved no matter what skin color they have. Have fun being left behind when the rapture happens. 15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying: “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign. 18 The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.” 19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm. Side: Yes
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Also when Jesus comes back on the white horse, his eyes are on fire because of His wrath, and not because He drank wine. Yahshraela, you have a nice life, and i know i cant change you because your heart is so hard its only going to be broken by the Lord. If it comes down to it, Jesus will leave you behind to face Antichrist, and that time is very soon. I can feel it. HIS RETURN IS NEAR, BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD :D https://www.youtube.com/ Side: Yes
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Im not even listening to you anymore, because I know in my heart that what you are saying is wrong. I dont care about the god you serve because he is not the one i serve. The God i serve has mercy available for everyone who asks Him, doesnt matter what race you are or what color skin you have. He loves everyone no matter where they come from, and He loves even people like you Yahshraela. He is alive and well and roaring like a lion! :D Side: Yes
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He loves everyone no matter where they come from? You still haven't shown me any Scripture of that, in fact, you haven't shown me any Scripture of anything yet, all I have gotten from you is what you believe, which means nothing to me because unlike Christians I don't want to hear what's going to make me feel good, I want to hear the Scriptures. So live and enjoy your life now, because you are going into slavery whether you like it or not. :) Side: No
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And how are you so sure that im going into slavery, because i dont see that happening any time soon. So stop lying please, im tired of it, and im tired of your hatered for white people. Its quite annoying when ppl have such a hatered for eachother because of skin color. Give it up man, you think by winning this debate its gonna get you higher than others, fact is man that you are just a boy that is having a temper tantrum at God Himself because He was not there for you when you wanted Him to be. God is not a puppet, He does whatever He wishes because He is in control and not you. This argument is over for good, i am blocking you because you have been so mean to me and other people that, well its over for you. Side: Yes
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And how are you so sure that im going into slavery, because i dont see that happening any time soon. Since you say that your God and Jesus is the "true god and jesus" why is it that the so called "Jews" in our land don't have slaves? Isaiah 14:2 - And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. This hasn't happened yet. This is a future prophecy. If you can't accept the fact that Deut 28:15-68 is Slavery Prophecy, then you don't love the God of the Bible. 1. There is a reason why "black/latino" people have had it so rough, have went through slavery, etc... God is only dealing with us, that's why. Do you see a lot of white people dropping dead? Do you see white people being targeted on a daily basis because they are a threat? None of the things happening to blacks/latinos is happening to white peoople, why because God is only dealing with the so called "Blacks and Latinos." 2. You ignore all the Scriptures that I posted, showing that you don't care what the Bible says, you only care about what you believe the Bible says. 3. If you love God so much, why aren't you keeping the Law? I'm sure your going to tell me that the Law is done away with so, using the Bible, tell me how to love God? You know the Bible more than me apparently, and according to you, I'm a false Prophet so, show me with Scripture, how to love your god? Side: No
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What is your point in all of this? are you trying to scare me? because its not gonna work. Listen Yahshraela and listen good, because im only saying this once. I do not give a care in the world about you saying God is going to destroy me and anyone else who has white skin, because that is a bunch of bull. Seriously grow up and get a life, Im on here to let people know that Jesus Christ loves them no matter what color their skin is and no matter where they come from. Because God loves them, so do I. I love all the people in this world, even though they may not love the Lord, because Jesus commands us to love our neighbors and our enemies. I have a lot of patience with people, but even men and women of God eventually run out, and i have run out of patience with you. You may know all about the Bible and may know all of Scripture, but you have NO HEART FOR PEOPLE and NO LOVE FOR PEOPLE. I have had it with you and your lying heart, and so has the Lord. 1 Corinthians 13 New International Version (NIV) 13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. What you need is love and not hate. Saying people are going to hell because they are white is not going to go over well with Christians across the world or anyone across the world. GOD LOVES EVERYONE AND WANTS A RELATIONSHIP WITH EVERYONE, TO BE THEIR ABBA FATHER AND THEY TO BE HIS CHILDREN. EVERYONE DO NOT LISTEN TO Yahshraela BECAUSE HE HAS NO LOVE IN HIS MESSAGE, THE GOD I FOLLOW IS A GOD OF LOVE AND NOT HATE. GOD BLESS YOU EVERYONE AND MAY YOU FEEL HIS LOVE RIGHT NOW IN JESUS NAME :D Side: Yes
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Hahaha figures why your so decieved; you're reading out of the NIV that calls your Jesus Lucifer hahaha lol. Listen kid, you don't know the Bible; you have not given me any Scripture to prove your point. All I'm seeing is your words and frankly, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN about what you have to say, I want to see the Scriptures. The entire Bible is for the Israelites so the little you have given me, is pertaining to the Israelites. I asked you to explain what Acts 5:31 means and you refused, showing that you are a liar. You're are teaching false doctrine. Your people stole our book, the Bible belongs to us Israelites. It is not a universal book, so if you don't like what the Bible says, kick rocks, go continue worshiping the image of the beast and reading your demonic NIV that was written by two homosexuals and that has a demonic owner who owns porno companies. No matter what I show you in the Bible, you are going to be a typical Edomite Christian and ignore what is being exposed to you. Bye Falicia :) Side: No
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There you go, finally your true colors. I rest my case on this debate. For all to see, your hypocritical words and actions. God has you right where He wants you. Thank you Jesus for giving me the patience with Yahshraela, I pray you would change his heart and his mind and that he would be more loving to people, I ask right now that he would feel your overwhelming love in Jesus Name I pray all of this, Amen :D Side: Yes
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Hahaha, I don't know what case you are talking about because you never presented any case and you are still avoiding my question, typical wicked devil worshiping Christian. I bet you have never done any research on where and how Christianity came about, foolish Christians. They trust in man more than their god, smh..... Side: No
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I will never answer your questions Yahshraela. You have been so mean to me from the start that im not even wanting to talk to you anymore. Plus you just gave me the answer i was looking for. You are no follower of God and you dont keep the laws at all. You hate everyone that lives. Plus you hate Jesus Christ. Have i said enough??? Because you fell into my trap man. As the Word of God says " No weapon formed against me shall prosper." Also before i go to sleep, i need to say i forgive you for all those mean things you said to me, and i take back Psalm 109 from you in Jesus Name. Even though you hate me, I still love you as Christ loves the church :D Have a blessed night Side: Yes
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Yes I am a Christian, and i am proud to be one :D Because Jesus Christ gives me the strength to do anything. He has been there for me my whole life and I am thankful for Him. I will praise Him for as long as I live and after i die. GLORY, GLORY, HALLELUJAH HE REIGNS! Side: Yes
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I dont have to because, i got what i want from you. To show your true colors turns the tables on so many levels. You hate God and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, you have grieved them all with your behavior. I know the Bible says do not grieve the Holy Spirit, because that sin is unforgivable. Side: Yes
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You Christians have no back bone. You Christians are some phony and pathetic individuals. Ya'll can't even defend your own God with the Bible, that's sad. Your right, I hate your White God and your white Jesus, they are the beast 666. They are the ones oppressing us, they are the devil the Bible speaks of. Your white Jesus (Caesar Borgia) is a homosexual and your religion goes against the Bible. No Christian follows the Bible, that's the reason why many people are leaving that New World order religion. That religion was made by the devil himself, and demons of your religion have painted an image of the liking of themselves. You guys are worshiping yourselves, not the real God and Jesus. Ya'll worship Jesus to top it off. Ya'll have taken the power away from The Most High God and given everything to Jesus. Jesus can't save you dummy because God is the one who is going to judge you; God is the one who has the ultimate decision and ya'll is going to die or go into slavery. So continue bashing the Black God and Black Messiah that are spoken of in you Bible because HE is going to destroy you. I thought "white" people were supposed to be smart; have high IQ's, etc..... apparently ya'll ain't that smart because ya'll can't even point out metaphors in the Bible, nor can ya'll find the key words in the Scriptures. Like I said, Christians are the most hypocritical, judgmental, evil people, they are worse than Islam. I give more credit to Islam then ya'll because at least Islam has debunked ya'lls false doctrine, just as we have, and ya'll run like cowards when we expose your lies, ya'll can't even try to argue your case, ya'll run like wimps. But hey, The Most High God of Israel is going to destroy ya'll for all the wickedness and blasphemy against HIM and Jesus, so continue worshiping yourselves and the devil himself, The Most High God is going to take care of everything and we going to continue exposing ya'lls evil lies. :) Holy Spirit? Do you even know what the Holy Spirit is? You don't, you've been taught that the Holy Spirit is God in spirit, that's a cotton pickin lie. You don't even love your god, because you keep no commandments as you are instructed to in order to show him that you love him. 1 John 5:3 - For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. {For this is the love of God, that we keep his what? THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS! (There is an "s" at the end of commandments indicating that there is more than one. This alone is a commandment which ya'll don't even know about.} I'm done arguing with a pathetic wannabe "Christian" who can't even bring forth a case to argue besides his ignorant beliefs and thoughts. I'm saving my breath for my people who are worthy and have ears to hear. Side: No
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I certainly do have a backbone Yahshraela. Also by the way, Jesus Christ is still in heaven and He has not raptured the church yet. So take your lies and stuff them down your own throat, because I dont want to hear them or see them. I am a follower of Christ, I am a Child of God and I am a Christian and i am proud to say that because I take pride in the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the Savior of the world, and He is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and End, Savior, Messiah, Redeemer and Friend. He is the Prince of Peace, Yeshua, Siamen, Holy One, Great I Am and the Healer. I will not back down from my Faith in Jesus Christ and I will never lose to you Yahshreala, because you dont have Jesus Christ in your life, but I do. I am on the winning side of this battle whether you like it or not, so just give it up already. You have lost this battle. Jesus Christ 1 Satan 0. That is always how it will be, Satan loses in the end, his doom has already been written and sealed in the Bible. Be very afraid Yahshraela for the Day of the Lord is coming, the Day of His Wrath is soon at hand. He will avenge His children and all of His children, not just Israel. A Living Sacrifice 12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. Humble Service in the Body of Christ 3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your[a] faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead,[b] do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully. Love in Action 9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality. 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[c] Do not be conceited. 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e] 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Side: Yes
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Oh I'm sure you do. If you had a back bone and you know so much about the Bible you would refute my points with Scripture and the Precepts, but you couldn't because you know nothing about the Bible. Ya'll have been deceived because the Scripture tells you who the Bible is for and ya'll continue ignore that. Ya'll wannabe "Christians" are just some evil people because ya'll do the opposite of what the Bible commands ya'll to do. Ya'll try to go against real Israelites, you'll get cut up with Scripture because ya'll don't know the Bible. God and Jesus are not white, the Bible tells us what they are. Jesus was not born on Christmas, He was born in Spring. God did not have sex with Mary, nor did HE put the Holy Spirit in her to impregnate her, Jesus has a genealogy. Jesus never celebrated any pagan holidays as ya'll do. God does not love sinners; God does not love homosexuals, they are an abomination (worse than a sin); God does not like women teaching (pastors) that is a sin; God does not allow women to wear pants, that's an abomination. Jesus did not come to destroy the Law, we are still to keep the Law; most importantly, The God of Israel commanded us to read PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT which you Christians choose to ignore and if you do not follow exactly what the Bible says, you are evil and hate God. You've never even done a research on where Christianity came from, so it explains why you don't even know the Bible. Christianity was invented by the so called "white man" (Esau) so that explains why there is so much wickedness going on in the Christian churches and withe Christians. Christians ignore everything in OUR Bible. Christianity has white washed the real image of the Messiah, if color doesn't matter, what was the reason for white washing the real image of Christ? The White man is the devil. Ya'll aren't even "white", your red. When ya'll go in the sun, that sun cooks your skin, the sun will kill a "white" person. The sun gives life to all and when the sun hits a "black" person, our skin just gets darker, not red. The so called "white man" is the red dragon in revelations. The Bible was not written for every nation, only Israel. The Law was given the Israel only. Romans 9:4 - Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Psalm 147:19 - He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. Jacob is Israel, so God is only dealing with the nation of Israel. No matter how much we've done evil against God, HE still forgives us through Christ. Christ came for Israel to save us of our sins. The nation of Israel is repenting and now keeping the Law, we are rising as a nation. Christ is only come to save Israel all other nations will serve us. Acts 5:31 - Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. It's okay if you don't believe what the Bible teaches because Christ didn't come for the "white man" the china man, etc... He only came for Israel. Again, this is the Bible, not me. No matter how much Scripture I post to show you that Christ came for Israel, you are going to ignore what I post because you descend from Esau, which is the devil himself, and you're wired to be wicked and transgress the Law, that's how "white" people are; that's ya'lls nature, ya'll are wild people man. Side: No
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Get over it Yahshrela, you have lost this one. Seriously you need to grow up and get a life and not SHOVE Jesus Christ down people's throats. That is exactly what you are doing, and im sick of it. I do not like your attitude with people and i know other people are sick of it too, that is why your arguments have such little impact. You are so prideful in yourself that you push God out of the way and give yourself all the credit when really you are just a baby believer like the rest of us. I can see right through you because of the Holy Spirit, and i dont see an ounce of the light of Christ in you you HYPOCRITE. Jesus was right when he called the Pharisees a brood of vipers, because you are acting just like a Pharisee! YOU HYPOCRITE That Which Defiles 15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” 3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[b] 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’[c]” 10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” 12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?” 13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides.[d] If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” Seven Woes on the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees 13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [b] 15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. 16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it. 23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. 25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. 27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. 29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started! 33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation. 37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[c] Side: Yes
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You are such a hypocrite, do you know that? I have not said anything about you going to hell or slavery and yet you curse me and judge me and say haha your going to hell. Well may all your hateful comments come back to bite you in Jesus Name. Have fun with that one for awhile why dont ya :D Side: Yes
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How am I cursing you by telling you what the Bible says about your people and every other nation? You are racist for white washing the real image of Christ. You are racist for denying the true image of Christ. There is no salvation for you people, the only salvation ya'll get is slavery, so get over it. :) Side: No
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You cursed at other people who were Christians as well, you curse at one of us, then your cursing at the 1+ billion of us around the world. Christians view eachother as family, and when you insult one, then you insult the whole family and our ABBA Father. Take your trash elsewhere dude, why dont you take a hint and stop posting debates on here, because they are all stupid and insulting and only put people down. I honestly hate when other people bully people to make themselves feel better, i absolutly hate it. Also you are a bully and you are just a little kid having a temper tantrum. Get lost and zazvydanya. Side: Yes
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Hahaha now you speaking in tongues, smh, typical Christian. I don't care who feels offended, it's the Bible, if you don't like what the Bible says, then get rid of it. You use the NIV, that is a demonic Bible. Your ancestor who took from God's word is going to be destroyed by Christ and the Saints. That NIV has many verses missing, twisted Scripture, and that's why you believe Christ is a white man and that everyone can obtain salvation. If my debate is trash, stop wasting your time on it, move on. Look go worship your symbol of death and your "white" homosexual beast, you'll feel better because that white homosexual loves everyone, including the rapist and child molesters, etc.... If you don't like my debate, then move it along. By the way, your still going into slavery :). Side: No
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I do speak in tongues you hypocrite, its a gift of the Holy Spirit. You obviously dont get anything i say so im giving you and ultimatum. May the Lord keep sleep from you, and may you eat like the cows of the field, and may the Lord drive you out of your house! May this happen until you are humbled before the Lord Almighty, in Jesus Name it will happen. This happened to Nebuchadnezzar when he took pride in all that he did instead of giving the Lord credit. Have a nice night with that one :D Side: Yes
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You are no saint of the Most High God! and yes i sent that upon you in Jesus Name because you have no respect for anyone who is a Child of God. May the Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the Father deal with you accordingly. You are not an Israelite and you never will be. I cant believe you are so stubborn willed, but may you fall into your own traps that you set for us Christians as well. In Jesus Name! Side: Yes
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Wow, still haven't answered my questions. You have no case kid. You need to just get off this debate because you cannot refute any of my Scriptures nor can you explain any of then, nor can you answer any of my questions. You're an evil individual man. Can you prove using the Bible that I'm not an Israelite? Can you prove with the Bible who is an Israelite? Side: No
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Also, Im not afraid of your threats, because they are all lies from hell itself and we both know this. You are just to prideful to admit your mistakes and also too prideful to grow up and actually be an adult. Im Autistic and im more mature than you are right now. :D Side: Yes
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How am i the wicked one?!?!? I have not said anything racist at all, and Im saying how you present the Bible and God and Jesus Christ is totally wrong. Plus you leave out the Holy Spirit, which is part of the trinity. YOU HYPOCRITE!!!! You grieve the Holy Spirit over and over again and that is a sin that is unforgivable! Jesus said this very thing in Matthew 12:31 "31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven." You have blasphemed the Holy Spirit by saying the trinity does not exist! Side: Yes
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How am i the wicked one?!?!? You ignore the Scripture. I have not said anything racist at all, and Im saying how you present the Bible and God and Jesus Christ is totally wrong. 1. Your racist because you and your people changed the image of Christ, that's racist. If color has nothing to do with salvation, why did "white" people white wash the image of Christ? I'd like an answer to that. 2. I'm not present the Bible, God and Jesus "totally wrong" that's what the Bible says, but you ignore what the Bible says because your stuck on stupid. The only reason why people agree with you is because they don't like what the Bible really says, they hate the Bible and they want to continue believing that there is an "all-loving" God, which does not exist. Plus you leave out the Holy Spirit, which is part of the trinity. Hahahaha trinity? Do you know what the Holy Spirit is? Show me the verse that says, "God impregnated Mary with the Holy Spirit." You don't know the Law and custom of marriage in the Bible, that's why you believe God came down and had sex with Mary. Christ has a genealogy, and Joseph is in it, so that debunks the Holy Trinity. The Holy Trinity is Catholic doctrine that Christianity adopted. You should really do some research on the religion and false gods you worship. I would like an answer to this. What is sin? I don't see how I blasphemed by posting Scripture and telling you what the Scripture says, but hey, that's what "white" people are good at, lying. Side: No
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Have fun burning for eternity Yahshraela, because I will be in my mansion in heaven having the time of my life and praising Jesus and talking with Him face to face. I and all the other Christians who are on fire for God will be living for eternity. Your arguments are worthless to me and not worth my time to respond to your pathetic racist comments. you are so prejudiced that you cant even see it yourself. So get lost and grow up dude. You have a lot to learn about Christians before you are ready to debate about them. Because all you debated about is how great black people are and how demonic white people are. Look i know you are angry at white people for some reason, but that does not give you the excuse to even lash out at them or to twist Christianity around to fit your hatred towards white people. You need to apologize to everyone you have insulted and ask God for forgiveness as well. I have already forgiven you because its something Jesus commands us to do. If you dont forgive others when they make mistakes, God will not forgive you when you make mistakes. Matthew 6:14 says "14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." There it is in Scripture, plain and clear from the mouth of Jesus Christ. You really dont belong on here if you are just gonna bully people and be racist. Zazvedanya Side: Yes
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Hahahaha you continue believing that :) If you dont forgive others when they make mistakes, God will not forgive you when you make mistakes. Wait, I thought your god loves the sinner but hates the sin? lol. Your following a doctrine of men but oh well it's your life, it is what it is. Well, go worship the image of the beast and symbol of death, I have statues to uphold :) By Felicia :) Side: No
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True and False Disciples 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Take the sword of the Spirit you HYPOCRITE! Side: Yes
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That does not prove who an Israelite is. Be a man and not a boy, read the slavery prophecy. Deuteronomy 28:15-68 15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: 16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. 17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. 18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. 19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. 20 The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. 21 The Lord shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. 22 The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. 23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. 24 The Lord shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 25 The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. 27 The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. 28 The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: 29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee. 30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof. 31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them. 32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand. 33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: 34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 35 The Lord shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head. 36 The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone. 37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee. 38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it. 39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit. 41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity. 42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume. 43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. 44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail. 45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: 46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever. 47 Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things; 48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee. 49 The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; 50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young: 51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee. 52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the Lord thy God hath given thee. 53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee: 54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave: 55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates. 56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, 57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates. 58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, The Lord Thy God; 59 Then the Lord will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. 60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee. 61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God. 63 And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. 64 And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. 65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: 66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: 67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 68 And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Those who went through slavery are the real Israelites. There is no such thing as a spiritual Israelite. Side: No
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The Heavenly Warrior Defeats the Beast 11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: king of kings and lord of lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.” 19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh. 21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” 5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Eden Restored 22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. John and the Angel 6 The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.” 7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.” 8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!” 10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.” Epilogue: Invitation and Warning 12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. 16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” 17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life. 18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. 20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen. Side: Yes
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It does float my boat :D thank you very much for strengthening my faith and really challenging me. Your arguments have helped me grow stronger in Jesus and i still believe that Jesus loves everyone no matter what, because God did not send Him to condemn the world, but save the world through Him. I dont agree with everything you say, but i know God can change hearts and i pray He changes your heart, and that He would bless you and your family every day :D Side: Yes
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I don't need nor want blessings for the white god and white jesus Christianity created. All the Scriptures that I quoted, are in the Bible. The God of the Bible has already blessed me by waking me up. So if worshiping your white jesus floats your boat, then by all means worship the image of the beast. If I could pray for you, I would, but unfortunately there is no salvation for you because Scripture says, "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. -Revelation 13:10" Your forefathers took us captives and committed horrible acts against us. Your forefathers gave the children (infants, toddlers) of my forefathers to alligators; they hung the children before they fed them to the alligators or they'd feed them to alligators alive. Your forefathers put my forefathers in zoos. Your forefathers raped the wive's, daughters, sisters, grandmothers, etc.... of my forefathers, your forefathers were some sick twisted demons and because of that, ya'll is now going into captivity. So if you don't accept the Scripture, then you don't believe in the God of the Bible, you believe in the god of Christianity. So if white jesus floats your boat, let your boat float to another country. Side: No
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Listen, I understand you got upset for the Scriptures that I posted, but it's the Scripture it's not my own words. This is what Christianity doesn't teach you. They teach you that God loves everyone, but the Bible says something contrary to that. I used to be in Christianity and all the pastor would talk about is John 3:16 or Romans 6:14, but he would never teach the commandments or who we are according to the Bible. Christian Pastors don't teach anything from the Bible, they give stories. So again, the Scriptures that I gave, are not my words, those are the Words of God. I apologize that I sound like a jerk, but again, that's what the Bible says, and I believe everything the Bible says. The Israelites are commanded to cry aloud and spare not. Isaiah 58:1 - Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. This is how we are supposed to teach the Word of God. We don't care if peoples feelings get hurt because it's the Word of God and we are commanded to show our people (Israel) their transgressions and teach them the commandments. Side: No
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He does love everyone, including everyone who is not a Jew. I can not explain it to you in words how much He loves everyone Yahshraela, including you, and He wants no one to perish but have everlasting life. For once listen to what He is saying to you in your heart and not what He says in the Scriptures, ask Him to show you more about Himself. Thats why i believe that Jesus Christ loves everyone, because He really does, He tells me everyday that He loves me, and that is what keeps me going everyday. I live my life because of Jesus Christ and His love for me. His love is what keeps me going even in the bad times where my faith is tested, and He carries me through those tough times. Leave all this hatred behind and start loving others like Jesus loves the church. You will be surprised how much more people respond to you when you speak love instead of hate and destruction and slavery for the people you hate the most, which is white people. Hate does not come from the Lord, it comes from Satan. You need to rebuke him and destroy any strongholds in your life. For even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light and his demons disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. You are being led astray by a demon, because they know scripture as well. I can sense the presence of many demons leading you astray. I will be praying for you. God Bless you and may He deliver you from this deception. Side: Yes
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Show me the verse that says HE loves everyone, then I'll believe you. I used to believe the same thing, until I actually read the Bible. It's hard to find out that Christ didn't come to save everyone and God only loves one nation, I didn't want to accept that when I first saw it, but then I accepted the fact that it's the Bible and it's a book that I believe to be the one true book. When you read the Bible and truly understand what it is saying and understand the metaphors, you'll find out that God is raicst; you'll find out that God has hatred and HE wants revenge for what happened to Israel. So if you can show me the verse(s) that say God loves everyone, I'll believe you. John 3:16 is not going to work because if you read John 3:1, Christ is talking to Nicodemus, a Jew and throughout John chapter 3, Christ is speaking to the Jews, not to the whole world. So what world is Christ talking about in John 3:16? Israel, I'll show you the Precepts to that. 2 Esdras 6:9 - For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth. Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob (Israel) is the beginning of it that followeth. Who is running this world right now? The so called "white man" is. The US has military bases in just about every country, the US military is Esau's military. The US runs this world, and who runs the US? It sure ain't Obama because he isn't doing a damn thing to help this country, so who is running the US right now? The so called "white man" the Republicans, basically Joe Boehner. Mr. Boehner shut down the government, threatened to shut down Homeland Security if he didn't get his way, so Boehner is basically running this country right now and the whole house of Republicans are running the world. Obama has no authority in the white house, he's just a pen pusher. John 17:9-10 - I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. (10) And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. So Christ said that He prays for them not for the world. Who is the them that He is praying for? Israel Matthew 15:24 - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Christ said He is not sen for anyone else, but Israel.... now let's go back to John 17:9-10. John 17:9-10 - I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. (10) And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. And now we know out of Christ's own mouth, He said, I am sent to the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; that's who is given to Christ. 1 John 2:15 - Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. There is a problem, John 3:16 said, "For God so loved the world." 1 John 2:15 says, "Love not the world." We are not supposed to love this disgusting filthy world. " If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." If we love this disgusting polluted world, the love of the Father is not in us (Israel). 1 John 2:16 - For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. If any of the Israelites love the world, the love of the God is not in them. "For all that is in the world" - the lust of the flesh, fornicating, loving all the corrupt people. "the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life (the proud spirits), is not of the Father, but is of the world." James 4:4 - Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Enmity means hatred, so once again, the word world in John 3:16, is not talking about everybody on the planet. I'll further elaborate... Hebrews 11:3 - Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God" - it says worlds, that is plural, it doesn't say world. So it says God created more than one world. So how can you be certain when it says world in John 3:16, that it is talking about everybody on the planet? The "worlds" were framed by the Word of God. So let's find out now, what is Christ talking about in John 3:16, let's find out what Christ was talking about when He said, "For God so loved the world, HE gave HIS only begotten Son". Isaiah 45:17 - But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. Christ, if you did not know, is quoting the Old Covenant in John 3:16. When Christ walked the earth, what was He teaching? When He was on this earth, what covenant were the Israelites under? They were under the Old Covenant. They were under the Law; they were following the law; Christ was teaching the Law. But WHO shall be saved? Israel shall be saved. Not everybody? Israel shall be saved, "with an everlasting salvation" -what does everlasting mean? it means eternal; never ending. So the world Christ spoke about, is the world of Israel. This is what Christ quoted in John 3:16. So no, God does not love everyone on this planet. "world without end." world with out end, and everlasting; eternal world, Israel is that world. John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God so loved the world (Israel), HE gave HIS only begotten Son(Christ), that whosoever(from the nation of Israel) believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life (world without end). Acts 5:31 - Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Who did Christ come to save and give repentance to? Israel. So John 3:16 is not talking about this world, as it shows in Hebrews 11:3 that there are "worlds that were created by the Word of God. How can you be certain that John 3:16 is talking about this world. The Israelites know what world John 3:16 talks about because we go precept upon precept as we are commanded by our God. Now if you want to say that the Old Covenant is done away with, let's find out what the Bible says. 2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: So the Scripture says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: the key word in there is "all", not just the the New Covenant, not just the Old, but all, including both new and old. Side: No
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These verses prove that Jesus does love everyone, he prays for future believers in John 17. Jesus Prays to Be Glorified 17 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. Jesus Prays for His Disciples 6 “I have revealed you[a] to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of[b] your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by[c] that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled. 13 “I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by[d] the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. Jesus Prays for All Believers 20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you[e] known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.” It is our job as Christians to preach the Gospel to those who have not heard it, so that we plant the seed for salvation, and then someone else comes along and waters the seed, and then God makes it grow. This is how reaching out to other unbelievers works Side: Yes
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“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Who did God give to Christ? 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. Who is the they in v3? In v4, what work did God send Christ to do? 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. What world is Christ talking about? 6 “I have revealed you[a] to those whom you gave me out of the world Who did God give Christ out of the world and what world is this referring to? 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. Who is the they? 9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. Who did Christ pray for? Why didn't He pray for the "world"? 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of[b] your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by[c] that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled. Who is the them? 13 “I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by[d] the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. Who is the them? 20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. Who is the them and those? 24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. Who did God give to Christ? 25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you[e] known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.” Who is the they and them? It is our job as Christians to preach the Gospel to those who have not heard it, so that we plant the seed for salvation, and then someone else comes along and waters the seed, and then God makes it grow. This is how reaching out to other unbelievers works But Christ only came for Israel, so how can all other nations obtain salvation? Matthew 15:24 - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Acts 5:31 - Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Romans 11:26 - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: God is not the author of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:33 - For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. So, can you explain to my why Christ said in Matt 15:24 that He is only sent for the lost sheep of Israel? Can you explain why in Acts 5:31 the Apostles said "Christ is the saivour and repentance of sins for Israel"? Can you explain why in Romans 11:26 it says "ALL Israel will be saved"? For each of these questions, give the precept for them, they, those, etc.... don't answer with your own words, answer the questions using the Bible because that's confusing how God sent Christ only for Israel, but then says Christ came for everybody, that's confusing to me, so can you explain that? Revelation 13:10 - He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Can you explain who is going into captivity? Christians say that they unbelievers are going to hell, underground, with a red guy poking them with a fork, so if the unbelievers are going underground to hell, who is going into captivity? Side: No
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We are not in Christianity, we are not your Christian pastor. We are Israelites and we deal with our people. You Christians will get offended by what the Bible says, you will persecute us, but its what the Bible says, and you don't understand the Bible because you are not Israel. Side: No
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Why are you saying we when your the only person there? besides your talking like a crazy man when you say the Bible is only for Israel, when the Israelites only read the Old Testament before Jesus even came into the world. Us Christians read both the old and the new testaments. Im honestly thinking you dont understand the Bible, because you dont let the verses speak for themselves. you always need verses to back up what you say, well i dont because i have Jesus Christ to back me up all the way, and when i need to make a point using a verse i do, but when i dont need to, well then i dont. Side: Yes
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Okay, I'll re-post the Scriptures again. Matthew 15:24 - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Acts 5:31 - Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Romans 11:26 - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Isaiah 45:17 - But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. We read both old and new covenants and the apocrypha, which you are going to say "those don't belong in the Bible" that's why Christians don't know the Bible. You have your own opinion, if you believe all will be saved, Jesus is white, etc.... that's what you believe. I believe what the Bible says, not what you say nor any other man/woman. Christians believe in the doctrine of men, so you believe in the doctrine of men and continue living a lie. Side: No
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The Armor of God 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost 2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them. 5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[b] 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?” 13 Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.” Peter Addresses the Crowd 14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. 18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. 21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c] 22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. 25 David said about him: “‘I saw the Lord always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. 26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will rest in hope, 27 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay. 28 You have made known to me the paths of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence.’[e] 29 “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, “‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand 35 until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”’[f] 36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” 37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. The Fellowship of the Believers 42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved. The Trinity is real and its not fake. I believe in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit! I praise them and worship them and love them with all my heart and soul and mind and strength and i will never stop, not for you and not for anyone! Side: Yes
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:"I'm done arguing with a pathetic wannabe "Christian" who can't even bring forth a case to argue besides his ignorant beliefs and thoughts. I'm saving my breath for my people who are worthy and have ears to hear." Which, according to your conversations, isn't a single person on this website. So why are you here? Side: Yes
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For any so called "Black/Latino" that may come on this site :). Why do you even waste you time posting on my debates? My debates have nothing to do with you, so why even waste your time? I must be that important for you to waste your time to come and post on my debate :), we so called "Blacks/Latinos" are special :). Thank you :) Side: No
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ITS ALL GOD'S CHILDREN SINGING, GLORY GLORY, HALLELUJAH HE REIGNS!! https://www.youtube.com/ PRAISE BE TO OUR GOD WHO REIGNS FOREVER AND EVER :D Side: Yes
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If your father is a white man, then you are Esau, there is no salvation for you, which explains why you don't believe anything the Bible speaks of, also, it explains why you have no common sense, your white, all white people are good at is being evil, why? because that's how you were made. I have nothing against white people, but The Most High God of Israel does. Ya'll want to call us racist when we tell ya'll what your forefathers did to us in slavery, and the only reason why ya'll call us racist is because we uncover the truth about slavery and what white people did to us. Ya'll are still oppressing us today, not as much as in the old days, but ya'll is still oppressing us. Side: No
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Let me put it this way. If a white person has a drop of blood in him/her that is from a black man, they are an Israelite but if a white person has nothing but blood of a white man, he/she is Esau/Edomite. You told me that your white but you never told me what your father is. You have to know what your forefathers were. So that is why I consider you Esau based on what you told me. Side: No
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Ain't no religion, it's the Bible, was the Bible made with a religion? What I don't understand is how ya'll white folks want to say, "slavery was a long time ago, get over it," but when we tell ya'll a future prophecy and who blacks/latinos are according the Bible and what's going to happen to ya'll, we all of a sudden are racist. If we began to expose the evil things white people did to us in slavery days, we are racist, we're hateful, etc.... I don't understand. Why is it that ya'll want us to forget about slavery because it was a long time ago, but when Sept. 11 comes by ya'll want to remember 9/11. When the date of the fake Jews Holocaust comes by, ya'll want to remember that, ya'll want to make tv shows to remember about it, I don't understand that. Side: No
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The Bible was indeed made with a religion. The Old Testament was made with Judaism, and the New Testament was made with Christianity (in the most general definition of the term, meaning worshiping Christ). I also never said "slavery was a long time ago, get over it" at any point, so please try to refrain from employing straw men. Your beliefs are indeed racist. You actually said white people are the devil. That is, in fact, racist. If you can not understand how two wrongs do not in fact make a right, I don't really know how to help you there. But racism from one group does not forgive racism from another. Again, try to respond to what I actually say, please. Side: Yes
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The Bible was indeed made with a religion. The Old Testament was made with Judaism, and the New Testament was made with Christianity (in the most general definition of the term, meaning worshiping Christ). Can you show me Scripture that says the Old Covenant was made with Judaism and the New Covenant was made with Christianity? I would like the Scriptures showing that, not your words, Scripture! Side: No
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That request makes no sense. The Old Testament is part of the Judaic religion, and the New Covenant is the primary holy text of Christianity. and established Jesus as a figure for worship, thus creating Christianity. Neither text would include the names of the religions involved, obviously, and so asking for scriptural references is just ridiculous. Side: Yes
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It does make sense because if the Bible came with religion, wouldn't the Bible say what religion that Bible belongs to? The fact that you say the Scriptures came with religion, yet there is no religion mentioned in the Bible, is a fat greasy lie. Edomites like to tell lies about the Bible, but they can never prove anything that they say with the Bible. Side: No
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"It does make sense because if the Bible came with religion, wouldn't the Bible say what religion that Bible belongs to?" No, it wouldn't. I fail to see why you think it would. " The fact that you say the Scriptures came with religion, yet there is no religion mentioned in the Bible, is a fat greasy lie" You don't seem to understand what a religion is. The Scriptures are an organized set of beliefs pertaining to god, which is, by definition, religious, and sets the foundation of a religion. There is no lie, you just don't understand what a religion is. No offense. Side: Yes
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I understand what religion is, you just don't understand that the Bible did not come with religion. Who created religion? God didn't give us religion, HE gave us Laws to keep, so where does religion come from? Show me that God created religions for different nations? Side: No
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The bible is part of a religion. As for who created religion, that differs based on one's beliefs. I believe man did, you would believe that any holy prophet did, via their words and holy texts, etc. "Show me that God created religions for different nations?" ....What? That question doesn't make sense. Your religion would hold that the religions of other nations are false, but they are still indeed different religions. Side: Yes
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So you say you believe man created religion, that's because man did create religion and made the Bible part of religions. No where in the Bible does it say God gave us religion. Every religion goes against what the Bible teaches. Religion never existed to after the death of Christ. That is why I said the Bible is not a religion it is the Law of The Most High God. Side: No
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":So you say you believe man created religion, that's because man did create religion and made the Bible part of religions. No where in the Bible does it say God gave us religion. Every religion goes against what the Bible teaches. Religion never existed to after the death of Christ. That is why I said the Bible is not a religion it is the Law of The Most High God." You are not listening. It would be circular for the Bible to say that God gave us religion, because the bible is the holy text of that particular religion. The Bible saying God gave us the law, is the Bible essentially saying God gave us that particular religion. Religion existed before, and after, the death of Christ, because religion is simply an organized set of beliefs pertaining to the existence of god or gods. You have a religion. Side: Yes
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"Religion existed before, and after, the death of Christ, because religion is simply an organized set of beliefs pertaining to the existence of god or gods. Can you show me this in the Bible?" Again, that simply does not make sense. Religious beliefs existed before the bible. The Greek Pantheon, the Norse Pantheon, the Egyptian Pantheon, Hinduism, I could go on, they all predate either the New, or the Old Testament. "You have a religion. What's my religion?" I have no idea what name it would be called, but it is your set of beliefs pertaining to God and the holy laws. Side: Yes
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"Religion existed before, and after, the death of Christ, because religion is simply an organized set of beliefs pertaining to the existence of god or gods. Can you show me this in the Bible?" Again, that simply does not make sense. It does make sense because if religion existed before the death of Christ, it would be in the Bible; God would have told us, "The Holy Bible belongs to the China man" but there is no such mention of any religion. Again, religion is something man-made, not something that God made. It makes no sense to you because you cannot prove in the Bible that religion existed before Christ's death. If you can show me using the Bible that religion existed for the Israelites, then I'll agree with you, but you can't show me because religion is not in our Bible. And I hope you don't try to say my religion is Hebrew/Jewish or Israelite because Hebrew and Israelite are the same and they are a nationality; Jewish people only believe in God, not the Messiah; just to clarify that. "You have a religion. What's my religion?" I have no idea what name it would be called, but it is your set of beliefs pertaining to God and the holy laws. So, according to you, I have a religion, but you don't know what it's called. How can you tell someone they have a religion, yet you don't know the name of it? Make sure you know the name of the religion you are assuming the individual is in before you tell them they have a religion. Side: No
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"It does make sense because if religion existed before the death of Christ, it would be in the Bible; God would have told us, "The Holy Bible belongs to the China man" but there is no such mention of any religio" That does not make sense. Many things existed before Christ that are not mentioned in the bible, and just because religion existed before the Bible, that does not mean the bible would make mention of specific groups that those who wrote the Bible were unaware of. For example, they could not have known about Native Americans, and thus the Bible would not include the Native American pantheons. "Again, religion is something man-made, not something that God made." Religious is simply a set of beliefs pertaining to god. That's it. You happen to believe that yours is the truth, which is fine. ". If you can show me using the Bible that religion existed for the Israelites, then I'll agree with you, but you can't show me because religion is not in our Bible." The fact that the Israelites adhered to the holy laws is, itself, proof that religion existed for them. The fact that the Bible mentions that they believed in God is proof that religion existed for them. Clearly, religion IS in the bible, as organized sets of beliefs pertaining to god are in the bible. "So, according to you, I have a religion, but you don't know what it's called. How can you tell someone they have a religion, yet you don't know the name of it? Make sure you know the name of the religion you are assuming the individual is in before you tell them they have a religion." Because you clearly have an organized set of beliefs pertaining to God. One does not need to know the name of another's religion to recognize that they have one. But here, let's try this: How do YOU think that the world religion is defined. Side: Yes
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Show me the different set of religions in the Bible? Show me in the Bible where God said, "children of Israel, I give you Islam as a religion!" You can't do it because religions existed after the death of Christ, just as all wicked things have. Listen man, I don't care about what you have to say, I care about what the Bible has to say. Side: No
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Why would I have to show you any of that? That simply does not make sense. If it existed, you'd be able to prove it in the Bible. Do you recognize that Greece existed? Do you recognize that they believed in the Greek Pantheon? Does the Bible say that? If so, where in the Bible is that located? Side: No
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Since you are being so completely and utterly unreasonable on this, I will play your game: Deuteronomy 13:13 "That certain worthless fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known," Clearly, the existence of "other gods" means there were other religions at the time. Side: Yes
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Clearly, the existence of "other gods" means there were other religions at the time. Your not understanding what I'm saying. There were other gods, but were there religions to those gods? Are there different religions mentioned in the Bible? Did the Israelites get a specific religion to get into? God is not a religion, HE is a Higher Power; HE is the Higher Power of Israel. Side: No
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Again, the belief in those gods WERE the other religions. The fact that that were beliefs in other gods mentioned in the bible means there are other religions mentioned in the bible, since "religion" is simply a set of beliefs pertaining to a god or gods. Yes, the Israelites had a specific set of beliefs pertaining to their God. Side: Yes
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You asked me how do I define religion and I gave you my answer. My computer was made by man, does that make it a religion? Well apparently because the Bible says that the Israelites worshipped other gods made by man and according to you they were in religions, so ya, I guess your computer is a religion because it was man-made. And I have told you time and time again what religion they were given, though what name you ascribe to it will differ depending on your beliefs. Then they weren't given a religion. Where in the Bible does it say that God is a religion? They were given Laws to keep. GOD IS NOT A RELIGION! I don't want the worldly definition of religion, I want you to find it in the Bible and tell me what religion the Israelites were given. So again, they were not given a religion. You can't prove to me, in the Bible, that the Israelites were given a specific religion to worship a false deity. You can't prove that they were given a religion because they weren't - they were given Statues to uphold and still are, to get our Kingdom and world back. Side: No
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Do you recognize that your definition of "religion" applies to the entirety of everything created by man and can not be found in ANY dictionary? You have created your own definition of religion that makes it, quite literally, impossible to hold this discussion with you. Side: Yes
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Do you recognize that your definition of "religion" applies to the entirety of everything created by man and can not be found in ANY dictionary? No, you asked me how I define religion and I told you religion is something man-made. I didn't say just about everything, although, man did invent just about everything, in exception of the earth, heaven, the universe, animals, people, trees, water, fire. I said religion is something man-made. There is a reason why my definition of religion cannot be found in any dictionary, 1. it is MY definition of religion, 2. the white man wants you to believe that the Bible came with a religion, they want you to think, as you already do, that God is a religion. That is why you can't find my definition of religion because it's something MAN-MADE not something that God made. Religion is not of God, it is of man. Side: No
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When I asked for your definition of religion, the ONLY explanation you gave is that it is man made, which would make almost everything a religion. If you have more of a definition of religion than that, please elaborate. And your definition of religion completely changes the word in a way that makes no sense. There is literally no point in having a conversation with you if you are going to completely change words to mean entirely different things. Side: Yes
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When I asked for your definition of religion, the ONLY explanation you gave is that it is man made, which would make almost everything a religion. If you have more of a definition of religion than that, please elaborate. Then next time don't ask for MY definition of religion. If you don't like my definition, kick rocks! And your definition of religion completely changes the word in a way that makes no sense. There is literally no point in having a conversation with you if you are going to completely change words to mean entirely different things. It makes no sense because you want my definition of religion to fit what your definition of religion is. We all have different beliefs, don't we!? So, if you don't like my definition, don't ask me how I define religion. Side: No
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It makes no sense because what you are describing is not religion. It makes no sense because you have defined religion in a way so separate from any acceptable definition of religion that it seems pointless for you to define it that way. I asked you to define it because the questions you were asking were nonsensical based on any/all commonly accepted definitions of religion, not expecting you to depart so entirely from any form of linguistic accuracy so as to have essentially invented your own word. Side: Yes
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Exodus 32 describes the Israelites straying from the path while Moses was atop the mountain receiving the ten commandments. Specifically, they were worshipping pagan gods that they had their jewelry melted down to create idols to. This practice itself qualifies as a religion (obviously neither jewish or christian). And, because these stories are in the Bible, they occurred prior to the Bible being written. There you go. Biblical evidence of religion existing before the Bible. Side: Yes
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Those false gods WERE their religions, such as Hinduism, the ancient pantheons, etc. Greek Polytheism would be the name of the Ancient Greek religion, for example, that existed before Christ. WERE are those religions in the Bible? Where does it mention Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, etc...? Where is that in the Bible? Side: Yes
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Then you can't show me that religion existed, besides the gods. I want to see Christianity, when it was formed; Islam and when it was formed, etc.... I no the mention of other deities, I'm talking about religion. God is not a religion, if HE is, then you and everybody in this world is a religion. Side: Yes
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For something to be considered a religion requires several things. A name, however, is not one of those things. Religious beliefs that don't fall under one of the major named religion are generally classified as pagan religions- not to be confused with the term paganism which is a rather more specific term. You have a fixation with names that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a given set of beliefs can or should be considered a religion. Side: Yes
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I also never said "slavery was a long time ago, get over it" at any point, so please try to refrain from employing straw men. Your beliefs are indeed racist. You actually said white people are the devil. That is, in fact, racist. If you can not understand how two wrongs do not in fact make a right, I don't really know how to help you there. But racism from one group does not forgive racism from another. I never said that you specifically said that. I said your people tell black people to get over slavery because it was a long time ago. Tell me this, would you ever allow someone to put your child (if you have any) in a cage with an alligator, making them alligator bait? Would you ever make a human zoo and put a certain people in there and have another certain people come by and look at those in the human zoo as if they were animals? Would you ever have someone defecate in someone elses mouth, and sow that persons mouth shut? Would you ever cut out a womans baby and stomp on that baby to kill it? This is why "white people" in the Bible are demons. God hates white people because of what they did to the Children of Israel during slavery. Side: No
Yeah, white people never believe the bible. I still don't know what good common sense would do since I'm evil and doomed. God really messed up when he made me, how else could he have such a problem with me? Oh and sorry for all that oppressing that I keep doing to you. It's in my inherent nature ya know. Given I'm just made that way, I suppose I'll let God take the blame for that one. Side: Yes
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Amarel, dont believe this guy, God made everyone special, and He loves everyone. Believe me im almost in tears because of all the hate that this guy has for white people and that he has no love for others. Here is a verse just for you from the Lord :D May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. Romans 15:13 NIV Side: Yes
I appreciate it Freak. Don't worry, her position is an oddity and not likely to have a negative impact in this world as a whole (she said her gender once). Don't bother getting fired up about it though. There's hate and discontent out there and it always sparks a twisted belief system. This particular one is minor in the scheme of things. Side: Yes
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Also, the up and down-votes can be a fun game. Down-voting can hurt your efficiency score. Perhaps the Christian thing to do would be to up-vote that which you support and turn away from comments you want to down-vote (unless they really really suck). If you stick mostly to up-voting, you help others efficiency as well as your own. See what I did there? :) EDIT: There is plenty of reasonable Christian debate on this site. Please do let this one set the tone for you. Side: Yes
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I wonder what the race of the person who came up with this interpretation? White? Never. He would have to be one of the races that will supposedly benefit, that's always they framework of a cult. I'll take comfort in the fact that none of your supposed bullshit is supposed to happen until after death and you can take comfort in the fact that your god cares more about race than intelligence. Side: Yes
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Not many individuals understand the Bible. Christians/Catholics especially. The Muslims know the Bible better than a Christian and Catholic ever would. Christians are very judgmental and talk nasty about people. They always like to say not to judge because that's what the Bible says but they are always judging people. Side: No
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That is very true. Christians are wicked as hell. They keep no laws. I encountered a Christian that told me, "Christ died for our sins. He knew that it would be impossible to keep all the laws and that's why He died for us." Later on that same person quoted Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Christians make no sense, they say it's impossible to keep the law yet they say i can do all things through Christ, that's dumb as hell. They're hypocrites, they can't keep the law through Christ but they can do everything else, makes no damn sense! Side: Yes
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Whats the point of me telling you the Bible is the one true book because of all the prophecies that have been fulfilled, what's currently happening now, and what's leading to the future prophecies? What's the point, if you don't believe in the Bible? What do you believe in? Science? Evolution? Side: Yes
because of all the prophecies that have been fulfilled, what's currently happening now, and what's leading to the future prophecies? That's what they say about the legitimacy of the Koran. It works for them as well as you for the same reason it works for astrology. Read between the lines and you'll find any message that suits you. I believe in the God of Reason Side: No
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Coming to the truth of the Holy Bible and learning where I really come from and where my ancestors came from, we have to study the most popular religions that our people are in and their "Bible" that way if they ever want to come to us and tell us that there religion is the one true religion or their book is the one true book, we can give them history about their religion and their books. So yes, we've read the Qur'an. Side: Yes
Excellent. So you know why they believe that the Koran holds true prophesies and your bible doesn't. You also know why you believe your bible holds true prophesies and their Koran doesn't. You know why only black people are black supremacist and only white people are white supremacist. You know why one must understand scripture in a "certain" way in order to understand what is meant by this verse or that verse. You must also know why Newtons "Principia" holds countless predictions that are straight forward enough that you don't have to have a certain race to understand it. It holds true though no one calls him an oracle. Side: No
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You've missed the point again. I don't talk about the prophesies of the Koran, Muslims do. The point is that cults follow a similar pattern as supremacist and other destructive groups. The point is, had you been born white, you would be spouting off the KKK message and siting statistics about poverty and crime as irrefutable evidence to support your seething irrationality. The pattern is always very similar, though not quite the same, which is why I engage you in these debates. Watching you spin and twirl around this website is as rewarding as learning something new by observing a strange specimen. Side: No
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The only difference between the Israelites and all these false religions, is that we aren't killing people for insulting our God. We have statues we must uphold to please our God. We are commanded to teach the Law/the Word, that is what we are doing. We have nothing against white people or any other nation, but our God does. We forgave ya'll for what your ancestors did to our ancestors, but now we just giving ya'll a heads up on whats going to happen to ya'll because of what your ancestors did. It's only fair that the wicked are judged and the righteous (Israelites who keep the commandments) get the Kingdom. We've been oppresses by ya'll far too long now and The Most High God is making things happen because HE is tired of all the wickedness on this earth, Christ is returning soon to us out of our captives hands. A lot of Israelites are going to continue dropping dead for their wickedness and refusing to keep the Law, 2/3 of our people are going to be killed and the 1/3 is going to get the Kingdom, Bible prophecy. All these protests about "Black Lives Matter" it's nonsense. Those protest aren't going to do a darn thing. People have to understand, Israelites are going to continue dropping dead left and right because they refuse to keep the Law, it's Biblical Prophecy. So we all have different beliefs. Some believe that they must kill those who offend their god; some kill because of skin color, some kill because of different beliefs, but we don't kill or else we will be killed. When Christ returns thats a whole other story, but now that we are still having to obey our earthly master, we are commanded to teach the Laws and teach our people where they come from and how to keep the Laws we must uphold. Side: Yes
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Since you don't know what Qur'an means, I'll give you the meaning of Qur'an. Qur'an/Koran - from Arabic qur'ān ‘recitation,’ from qara'a ‘read, recite.’ Let me ask you this. The Muslims have their own religion and their Qur'an. What in the world do the Israelites have to do with the Qur'an? Why are the children of Israel mentioned in the Qur'an? Side: Yes
Fascinating. Is this the part where you expect me to compare Muslims and Israelites as both being or having religion so that you can pretend to be an Israelite and baselessly assert that Judaism is not a religion? Fairly predictable. Want to know about the mystical revelations and prophesies that were hidden away by the wise Pythagoras? His revelations are so accepted and true that all the world dwells in the home that he provides. Side: No
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I'm not expecting you to compare anything. It's obvious that you hate Blacks, so you proved my point when I said, "the Israelites will be hated for speaking the truth and for our Father and Saviors name," you hate me, so I'm not expecting you to do anything. I love the people that hate me; it gives me more motivation to continue waking our people and spreading the truth :). By Falicia :) Side: Yes
It's obvious that you hate Blacks No haha, it isn't. Not only do I not hate blacks, but I don't hate you (are you black? Prob not). You never did get around to telling me why you believe the bible. Saying that it's prophesies are true isn't really a valid reason when you didn't provide any prophesies. Lots of people do the same thing with other texts. so you proved my point when I said HAHA! That's great! You really are missing it aren't you.. Side: No
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Okay, since you know what I look like. I know you pist because you going into slavery, it is what it is, deal with it kiddo :). I already told you why I believe in the Bible, yet my reason for believing in the Bible does not please you. Nothing I say will please you so it is what it is. You are going into slavery so I don't care how you feel, what you have to say or what you think. The Bible is truth and that's what I believe, the Bible has nothing to do with any other nation, but Israel so I don't care if you insult the Bible my God and my savior. You open your big mouth yet you know not the Scriptures, making yourself look real stupid lol. Side: Yes
If I don't believe what you believe, why would I worry about slavery? When you told me why you believe the bible, you said the same thing that Muslims say when explaining to me why they believe the Koran. You have said nothing that sets your faith apart. Near as I can tell, you felt oppressed, short handed, or otherwise disempowered. You connected much of this with your race.when an articulate, assertive someone spoke with authority reassuring you that you will one day be empowered because of your skin color so long as you keep a certain faith, the rest fell into place. Now it's easy to say you don't hate white people in the same breath as claiming they are created to be your slave. I think it's foolish, but so long as you don't act on your irrationally, I'm content to observe. Side: No
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Yes, if that's what floats your boat, then yes, I'm racist. Funny, we are racist when we say the Bible says all other nations, except for "Blacks/Latinos" will go into slavery, but when your white cops are killing us, "Oh the cop felt threaten so he/she had the right to shoot." Or when those white folks start shooting up schools, etc...., "oh, they are mentally ill, they need help." When a "black" person kills a white person, "he deserves life in prison or someone should kill him/her." You don't think that's racist. It's the Bible, it's The God of Israel that is saying the heathen are going into slavery. If you don't like it, the get the hell off my debate. Ya'll is too emotional, like girls, no joke, man the hell up and stop being sissys man. Side: Yes
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" Funny, we are racist when we say the Bible says all other nations, except for "Blacks/Latinos" will go into slavery, but when your white cops are killing us, "Oh the cop felt threaten so he/she had the right to shoot."" You are just all about the straw men. I never made any statement about police brutality being indiscriminately applied to African Americans, and I regularly speak out against that racism. I also speak out against your racism when you call white people the devil. "hen a "black" person kills a white person, "he deserves life in prison or someone should kill him/her." The death penalty should be abolished, and one of, if not THE best reason for that, is how it is unfair applied to racial minorities. So yes, you are racist. Pointing out other racism does not excuse yours. Side: No
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The belief in any saviour is based upon our need to understand the big questions and why we invented religions, God, etc etc so we would have faith and belief that it is all worthwhile and there really is some purpose to our existence. Our imaginative writers then created scenarios that the public need answers to such as salvation, forgiveness, heaven and hell etc etc and all done in the need to create a safe, faithful and moral society. Without such structures we would probably not have survived the anarchy. Side: No
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The verses you have provided don't support your point. Christ came to help all those who are wiling to accept his grace. If you truly believe in him, and remember God can read your heart, then you will inherit the kingdom of God. I'll address this in a more linear process. All Christians have this fantasy vision about heaven and hell, and now they have this fantasy vision that Christ is coming to save every person who believes in Him. Fantasy vision you say? What makes you think Heaven and Hell are a fantasy? Unless you're a non-believer then I don't understand what would make you believe that. That's false. Just because Matt 24:14; Rev 7:9, etc.... says ALL NATIONS, does not mean that every person who believes in Christ is going to be saved. The verse is not talking about every person of every nationality, it only pertains to one nation, and that is Israel. Matthew 24:14 - This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come. How did you interpret Christ choice of who to save from this verse? Revelation 7:9 - After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; This verse seems to imply that there was a lot of faithful people who believed and have been accepted. What does this have to do with Christ coming to save everybody or not? The Most High God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33), and you Christians are certianly confused. There is no such thing as spiritual Israel in the Bible. 1 Corinthians 14:33 - for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. I don't believe you have provided any evidence to support your stance here. The verse I put above still doesn't support you view besides the notion of God being a peaceful god. I agree with this. Why would Christ say in Matthew 15:24 that He was sent unto the lost sheep of Israel, then say He was sent for all nations? Christ would contradict Himself and so would God. Are you saying that if Jesus was sent for all nations it would odd to think that he was also sent to the lost sheep of Israel? It former just seems to be a clarification as to where he was sent. Can you clarify your position for me? Your thoughts seem to be scattered. Side: No
Christ came to help all those who are wiling to accept his grace. Come on you dont believe that is true. You consided that there are people that dont have access to information on christ to choose to accept him or not even though they may be "willing to accept his grace" they will not be helped. Side: Yes
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That's a contradiction. If you don't have access to his information you can't accept his grace. How did He come to save everyone, yet not everyone has access to his information and if they don't have access to his information, then they can't accept his grace. That's not everyone, that's only a certain amount of people. Side: Yes
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How did He come to save everyone I don't think he came to save everyone. Just those that are willing to accept his grace. God would know beforehand who would accept his grace. Sort of like predestination. I didn't clarify myself properly, but it's not a contradiction. I never said God came for all people. Only for those who are willing to accept his grace. In order to do so you would have to have known of God beforehand. That's not a contradiction. Side: Yes
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Here are a few things to note. 1. I never said Christ came for all people. Only those willing to accept his grace. 2. In order to accept God's grace you would have to know of God, otherwise you cannot possibly be willing to accept something you are completely unknown to. 3. God knows who is willing. I'm sure they have been chosen. 4. In that case I would be on the "no" side. Our only difference is that you believe he came for Israel only and I believe he came for those he has chosen. Side: No
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John 3:17 - "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him." Acts 16:30-31 - And after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." Side: Yes
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Actually it does. These people are saying that Christ came to save everyone of their sins, but Peter says something completely different, so technically, it does :). The problem is that everyone in this world has been brainwashed with lies. White folks (Romans) stole our book, read it, and turned it in to a universal book. The Bible only has the Israelites History in it, no one elses History, the reason is because the Bible is the Israelites Bible! Side: No
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No, what you have provided is a contradiction, but it does not refute it. Ah, so now you're seeing that these people don't know what in the hell they are talking about. Now you're seeing that these people are some damn liars when they come up with, "God loves everyone and Christ did for all who believe in Him". Christ only died for the Israelites, that's it! So it does refute what he/she posted because they are trying to say that Christ came to save everyone of their sin. Side: No
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What does the verse say? Christ came to save Israel of our sins so that we can repent from them. There is salvation for the heathen but they will have specific duty in our Kingdom and that is slavery (Isaiah 14:2). Those who took us captive and made us slaves, will also be taken captive and made slaves by the Israelites in our Kingdom, heaven on earth. It's only fair, all nations took the Israelites into slavery, did horrible things to them, so now they go into slavery, except we are not going to be sick animals like all other nations were, we're not going to make someone defecate in ya'lls mouth and sow your mouth shut, we are not going to put ya'll in human zoos or make your children alligator bate, none of that, simply slaves because our Kingdom is going to last forever. Side: Yes
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I believe the verse is talking about the Earth. The world we live on. This is my point about you "Christians" ya'll always want to teach Scripture on what you believe Scripture means, not what it means, but what you "think" it means. That's called false teaching. Let the Bible speak for itself, don't speak for it. The Bible is truth, so you "Christians" need to stop teaching what you believe it means because what you believe and what the Bible actually says, is different. I used to be just like you, I read a verse and ask myself, "what does this verse mean?" I interpret it with my own thoughts and not with the Bible. Everything I "thought" the Bible was saying, is not what it was saying. I always thought John 3:16 talking about this world and it does, it's talking about the world of Israel, the world to come. The world we live on is hell for the Israelites, this world is not our world its the white mans world, the white man that took us into slavery, that's who is running this wicked world right now. Side: No
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The verses you have provided don't support your point. Christ came to help all those who are wiling to accept his grace. If you truly believe in him, and remember God can read your heart, then you will inherit the kingdom of God. I'll address this in a more linear process. Actually those verse I provided does support my point because those are verses that Christians use to say Christ came to save everyone of their sins. I believe in Christ but I believe what the Scriptures say and they say that He did not come to save everyone, only Israel. Fantasy vision you say? What makes you think Heaven and Hell are a fantasy? Unless you're a non-believer then I don't understand what would make you believe that. Heaven will be on earth, not in the clouds and Hell is right now. Hell is a condition not a place. When WW3 kicks off and bombs and meteorites begin falling on America The Great (Babylon), that will be hell because it is going to look like a lake of fire especially when that nuclear bomb goes off and ya'll get roasted. Show me Scripture where it says, "Satan will be underground poking at you with a fork and picking at your flesh for eternity" you will not find that in the Bible, why? because it's doctrine that Christians made up to get people to join their religion. When Christianity teaches that all who believe in Christ will be in heaven with God and Christ, not here on earth, people that are finding what sounds good to them will hear that and say, "man I like the way Christianity teaches, I'm going to become a Christian." Christianity is just another false religion that has brainwashed many people into believe their false doctrine. A white man created Christianity so it explains why their are so many lies being taught by "pastors". How did you interpret Christ choice of who to save from this verse? It is not Christ's choice, it's The Most High God's choice. Christ came to fulfill the will of His Father who is in heaven. -John 6:38 I don't interpret any Scripture with my thoughts. I interpret Scripture with Scripture. I don't read like Christians do, they just read. I read and look at the key words, find the precepts, and that is how I get understanding of the Bible. Ya'll Christians just read, that's it and ya'll don't even understand what your reading. Ya'll read the Bible like a novel. This verse seems to imply that there was a lot of faithful people who believed and have been accepted. What does this have to do with Christ coming to save everybody or not? Rev 7:9 pertains to both Kingdoms of Israel, Southern and Northern. We have been scattered from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, we're every where Deuteronomy 28:64. We are in Iraq, China, Italy, Canada, Ireland, etc.... we are in every nation speaking that nations language (tongue). So that is what Rev 7:9 is making reference to. 1 Corinthians 14:33 - for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. I don't believe you have provided any evidence to support your stance here. The verse I put above still doesn't support you view besides the notion of God being a peaceful god. I agree with this. You're confused, that's my evidence. If you can't understand why I posted the Scripture I posted, your confused. Are you saying that if Jesus was sent for all nations it would odd to think that he was also sent to the lost sheep of Israel? It former just seems to be a clarification as to where he was sent. Can you clarify your position for me? Your thoughts seem to be scattered. You are very confused. I'm saying Christ would contradict Himself if He told the Canaan women, "I am not sent, but unto the lost sheepe of the house of Israel" then turn around and say, "I am not sent only for Israel but for all nations of all people". Side: No
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Actually those verse I provided does support my point because those are verses that Christians use to say Christ came to save everyone of their sins. I believe in Christ but I believe what the Scriptures say and they say that He did not come to save everyone, only Israel. Not all Christians believe God came to save all. This clearly isn't the case. There are two fault here. The first being my fault for not clarifying what I meant to say, but those verses didn't prove anything. Your vision of Christians is not what all Christians are like. The second fault is your misinterpretation of what I posted. Heaven will be on earth, not in the clouds and Hell is right now. Hell is a condition not a place. When WW3 kicks off and bombs and meteorites begin falling on America The Great (Babylon), that will be hell because it is going to look like a lake of fire especially when that nuclear bomb goes off and ya'll get roasted. Show me Scripture where it says, "Satan will be underground poking at you with a fork and picking at your flesh for eternity" you will not find that in the Bible, why? because it's doctrine that Christians made up to get people to join their religion. I don't thnk I mentioned anything about Satan poking at anybody, but the bible describes Satan being thrown into a pit. Revelation 20:3 - and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time. Abyss or pit. I believe this is enough to say that there is most certainly a sense of Satan being "underground" but I believe Hell is a separate plane. Matthew 10:28 - 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. I interpret that as Hell being a place. I know Satan and his two followers will be tortured or tormented. I don't think I claimed Satan would torture anyone else. When Christianity teaches that all who believe in Christ will be in heaven with God and Christ, not here on earth, people that are finding what sounds good to them will hear that and say, "man I like the way Christianity teaches, I'm going to become a Christian." Christianity is just another false religion that has brainwashed many people into believe their false doctrine. A white man created Christianity so it explains why their are so many lies being taught by "pastors". I don't think this is founded on any grounds. Mere rambling if I may say. It is not Christ's choice, it's The Most High God's choice. Christ came to fulfill the will of His Father who is in heaven. -John 6:38 I interchange the names of Christ and God because we believe that they are one in the same. We already discussed this though, and that's rather off topic. I don't interpret any Scripture with my thoughts. I interpret Scripture with Scripture. I believe that requires thinking. Which implies thoughts. I don't read like Christians do, they just read. So, you can prove that all Christian just "read"? I read and look at the key words, find the precepts, and that is how I get understanding of the Bible. Ya'll Christians just read, that's it and ya'll don't even understand what your reading. Ya'll read the Bible like a novel. I believe this is mere mockery. I don't think I'll return with anything. I have to reason to retort. Rev 7:9 pertains to both Kingdoms of Israel, Southern and Northern. We have been scattered from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, we're every where Deuteronomy 28:64. We are in Iraq, China, Italy, Canada, Ireland, etc.... we are in every nation speaking that nations language (tongue). So that is what Rev 7:9 is making reference to. So what does this have to do with Christ coming to save everybody? You're confused, that's my evidence. If you can't understand why I posted the Scripture I posted, your confused. Not really. I'm misunderstood. You are very confused. I'm saying Christ would contradict Himself if He told the Canaan women, "I am not sent, but unto the lost sheepe of the house of Israel" then turn around and say, "I am not sent only for Israel but for all nations of all people". I don't think so. Side: No
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I just realized, what is the point of showing ya'll the Scriptures for ya'll to ignore them? That's a waste of my time. Ya'll can just enjoy hell for now because our Kingdom is up next and will last for ever. We will rule this world again. So again, it's a waste of my time because Christians are going to believe what their pastors tell them, rather than searching the Scriptures. Side: No
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Hell na. man these damn demons wicked as strange creatures don't know a damn thang bout our Scrips. they some stealers though, they stole everything from us and continue stealing. Christ ain't comin to save no wicked devils dat did some devilish thangs to us Jesus is guna blow the hell outa dem. aint guna b no more wickedness in our world. ay, when we say jump they gon ask how high ahahahaha. yall is gon into slavery believe dat. Christ only coming for Israel, yup yall demons gon bow down to da black man aha Side: No
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Tell me what else did he do? Christ came to save Israel of our sins, that's it. God is not dealing with any other nation, only Israel. Matthew 15:24 - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Acts 5:31 - Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Christ came here to fight against the Jews but as he got crucified,people started advocating him more. Really? Where is this in the Bible? Side: Yes
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I really don't understand why you have got my back only;You talk of Israel and how God gave them "manna"while they were in wilderness;You scrutinize every point of mine;are you texting these lines directly from the "Bible"?;I would advise you don't act as 'Shylock' otherwise I might feed fat the grudge I am bearing you.I have quoted these lines from the 'Newyork Newborn Bible',have any problems ask that book why it had written so. Side: No
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"Everything I quote, is from the Bible, that is why I gave the verses. " Where is that in the bible? Everything that I quoted, meaning the Scriptures...there all in the Bible. Like typical Esau, adding and twisting my words...stop being simple minded, you damn devil. " If you don't believe me, then please, grab a Bible or on the internet, look up the verse(s)." Where is the internet in the bible? Job 5:12 He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise. What devices do the heathen use to distract us from the Bible? The internet, television, etc... and now all this is backfiring on you demons because some of us real Israelites awoke through the internet, radio, tv, etc.... and continue awakening in these last days through the devices your forefathers invented, lol :) Side: Yes
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"Everything that I quoted, meaning the Scriptures...there all in the Bible. Like typical Esau, adding and twisting my words...stop being simple minded, you damn devil." Where is that in the Bible? SHOW ME THE PRECEPTS! " The internet, television," Show me those in the Bible, including the precepts. Side: No
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"Everything that I quoted, meaning the Scriptures...there all in the Bible. Like typical Esau, adding and twisting my words...stop being simple minded, you damn devil." Where is that in the Bible? SHOW ME THE PRECEPTS! You are one very confused Edomite. If you look at the original post, what was it referring to? Man, I like how ya'll are making me very popular on this site, thank you :) What is a tv? A cell phone? A compute? The Internet? etc.... what are those? See because you want the Bible to say what you want it to say, and it isn't going to say it for your demonic behind. You are a damn demon. You don't know how to use your brain, you damn white devils are supposed to have high IQ's, hahahahaha, ya'll is dumb as hell. I ain't no damn modern day homosexual Christians. I'm not going to coming at you like that white JesusFreak with hugs and kisses, etc... If you can't deal with the fact that the world is not all about love, then kick rocks. If you don't like what is posted on debates, THEN GET THE HELL OFF DEBATING WEBSITES! :) Bye Bye :) Side: Yes
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"What is a tv? A cell phone? A compute? The Internet? etc.... what are those? See because you want the Bible to say what you want it to say, and it isn't going to say it for your demonic behind. You are a damn demon" I am not interested in what you say, I am only interested in the bible. Where are those in the bible? Show me the precepts. Side: No
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See, I knew it, you can't provide the scripture or the precepts. Charlatan. Of course, what you posted I never stated it was in the Bible. If you had a brain, you would have understood what the original post was in reference to, but of course, you're Esau, the devil and it is your nature to beat down the Bible and the real Israelites. You white folks are wild animals, just like the animals you hunt, you will be hunted the same way when Christ returns. Side: Yes
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Show me where peanuts are in the bible, WITH the precepts. Did I say peanuts is in the Bible? Hahahaha lol you are some great entertainment. Esau mad now, the devil is mad because the real Israelites are rising and we know who you devils are, you're going into slavery. :) Side: Yes
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Christ was a great Prophet of God as mentioned in Luke 24:19, Matthew 21:11 But he himself never clearly Claimed divinity or ordered anyone to worship him to be saved, the best example is the first Commandment "Our God is one God" and Our means Our it doesn't mean I'm. I also agree that Jesus (pbuh) was only sent to the house of Israel (the 12 nations) not to all mankind as it is clearly stated in the bible in Matthew 15:24 and Matthew 10:6 he sent 12 disciples (and there is 12 nations of Israel) and he told them ""Do not go in the way of the Gentiles". Side: No
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