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Debate Score:84
Arguments:77
Total Votes:85
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Did God commit suicide when he planned himself to die

yes

Side Score: 41
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no

Side Score: 43
2 points

If he knew he was going to die if he did that than he committed suicide just like a person know if he shoots himself he is going to die and by that he committed suicide.

Side: yes
2 points

yes he did but not the way you think of it.

god is great and god is good

Side: yes
1 point

God doesn't seem great if he committed a sin. If he forbids us from doing things that he can do and get away with than he is scared of us.

Side: yes
1 point

I think he did because he knew that if he did something he would have been killed and by choosing that path he is choosing suicide.

Side: yes
Jace(4706) Clarified
1 point

If suicide is a sin and God committed suicide, then God is necessarily sinful... yes?

Side: yes
2 points

Yes, I would say so, but that would require for Jesus (God) to actually commit suicide, and not be killed instead.

Side: yes
1 point

If suicide is a sin and God committed suicide, then God is necessarily sinful... yes?

No one really kills themselves by dying on a cross?

Side: yes
4 points

If one were to jump in the way of a bullet, would you consider that suicide? He did it willingly.. No! Suicide is an escape, not a rescue.

Side: no
3 points

Ok, this is a reasonable explanation.

Side: no
whygod(159) Disputed
1 point

Why did he have to be killed for it than there was no reason for it and the message could have been seat many other ways that would have been the same or better.

He did not leave anything to prove for the next people that were born if he want us to believe so much than he could have made it more believable.

It would not enter fear with peoples free will at all it will just give people the informed that he is real than we than can choose to obey or not. I have not sin in my whole life had it's one of my goals to never sin.

God has done wrong for giving a punishment that does not fit the crime and also I am sure God has sin in other ways before.

If God was always there before anybody who is there to say that he didn't do any sin? I am for one want to meet God and talk to him about his choices.

Side: yes
whygod(159) Disputed
0 points

But he did not rescue anybody. The only thing he did was show people that they have to follow his rules or be burned alive forever. God could have really just made nothing a sin or just have came out of the shy and called all with his voice and said I'm God I will drop a book in your hands so you can read bye.

Side: yes
AngryGenX(463) Disputed
1 point

You completely misunderstand. Jesus didn't come to just show us a bunch of rules to follow. We are incapable of following the rules. We are incapable of being "good enough" to get into heaven. Jesus atoned for our sins through his sacrifice. He showed all of us that he will forgive us if we just trust in him and follow him.

Side: no
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

God rescued us from many things! The primary two things are the following: (1) the power of the devil over us, and (2) our own debts.

We live by faith, being saved by faith, which produces faithfulness. Because He is faithful to us, we become faithful to Him.

Side: no
2 points

Jesus didn't kill himself as it was not his fault. He simply refused to save himself.

Side: no
whygod(159) Disputed
1 point

Why did he have to be killed for it than there was no reason for it and the message could have been seat many other ways that would have been the same or better.

He did not leave anything to prove for the next people that were born if he want us to believe so much than he could have made it more believable.

It would not enter fear with peoples free will at all it will just give people the informed that he is real than we than can choose to obey or not. I have not sin in my whole life had it's one of my goals to never sin.

God has done wrong for giving a punishment that does not fit the crime and also I am sure God has sin in other ways before.

If God was always there before anybody who is there to say that he didn't do any sin? I am for one want to meet God and talk to him about his choices.

Side: yes
Centifolia(1318) Disputed
1 point

Why did he have to be killed for it

Because it is what the people wants. He does not desire to be killed, but he would rather die with courage than live in fear.

He did not leave anything to prove for the next people that were born

The only necessary thing about Jesus is his wisdom. Whether he existed or not is a question of least concern

God has done wrong for giving a punishment that does not fit the crime

I agree

If God was always there before anybody who is there to say that he didn't do any sin?

He is God, he can do whatever he wants

Side: no
2 points

Jesus didn't commit suicide. He knew that He had to die for our sins and it wasn't really suicide because people killed him and He didn't really kill himself.

OT: This topic is really stupid to be honest.

Side: no
1 point

He came to Earth in order to get Himself killed. That was part of His plan. If He planned something that got Him killed, didn't He commit suicide?

Side: no
whygod(159) Disputed
1 point

Why did he have to be killed for it than there was no reason for it and the message could have been seat many other ways that would have been the same or better.

He did not leave anything to prove for the next people that were born if he want us to believe so much than he could have made it more believable.

It would not enter fear with peoples free will at all it will just give people the informed that he is real than we than can choose to obey or not. I have not sin in my whole life had it's one of my goals to never sin.

God has done wrong for giving a punishment that does not fit the crime and also I am sure God has sin in other ways before.

If God was always there before anybody who is there to say that he didn't do any sin? I am for one want to meet God and talk to him about his choices.

Side: yes
2 points

Few facts to look at:

(A) This motion says "God", not "Jesus". Why the heck is everyone looking at it from the viewpoint of Christianity? I think collectively most religions, if not all, believe in the concept of souls being immortal. Death, therefore, is not really the end of a soul: it is only one soul exiting the body. And therefore, that makes any divine spirit (the concept of God, in this case) immortal. No death, no need for suicide.

(B) Jesus resurrected himself. The message was simple: divinity cannot be destroyed. God will always be with us no matter what. If you would call Jesus' actions "suicide", then sadly you don't get the point of Jesus doing what he did.

Side: no
whygod(159) Disputed
1 point

Anybody would do what he did and would have done it much better too.

If I was God I would do it two times over than change the rules of sin because his rules are really stupid. I would not burn someone in hell forever because that teaches them nothing.

Side: yes
AngryGenX(463) Disputed
1 point

Anybody would do what he did and would have done it much better too.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say.

Side: no
1 point

Anyone who sacrifices themselves in defense of others is hardly ever considered guilty of suicide. If a firefighter runs into a burning building, he isn't suicidal. A soldier who falls on a hand grenade to save his buddies is not considered to have committed suicide. Jesus allowed himself to be killed to save us from eternal damnation. In addition, he may have known he was going to die, he also knew he was going to be resurrected in three days.

Side: no
1 point

I didn't know God was dead? Damn!

Side: no
1 point

God is eternal he has no beginning and no end therefor he never dies. He has always existed and will always exist.

Side: no

He knew full well it was a temporary death. Not suicide, not even really a proper sacrifice.

Side: no
whygod(159) Disputed
1 point

Why did he have to be killed for it than there was no reason for it and the message could have been seat many other ways that would have been the same or better.

He did not leave anything to prove for the next people that were born if he want us to believe so much than he could have made it more believable.

It would not enter fear with peoples free will at all it will just give people the informed that he is real than we than can choose to obey or not. I have not sin in my whole life had it's one of my goals to never sin.

God has done wrong for giving a punishment that does not fit the crime and also I am sure God has sin in other ways before.

If God was always there before anybody who is there to say that he didn't do any sin? I am for one want to meet God and talk to him about his choices.

Side: yes
2 points

I don't believe in God, and I pointed out how his "sacrifice" is not too impressive. Sounds like you have similar feelings, so why are you disputing me?

Side: yes
1 point

God did not die on the cross. Jesus, his son, did. This question is incorrectly asked for debate.

Side: no
1 point

No he didn't. Yea of course he knew perfectly well what he was going into but he traded that for us.

Side: no