Yes.

This is Air Force One. There is no way he didn't know about it.

You know, this is a perfect example because if it was something good Obama would be the one person to get credit, but this happens and blame is shifting all over the place.

Even for those of you who think that it's necessary for the president to lie in certain situations, you have to realize how ridiculous this is!

Imagine how little blame confusion there would be if this was under Bush. (Not that this would happen under Bush.)

I dont know where you get your info from, but the FFA even said Obama approved it. I didnt hear Obama deny or approve it, but everyone around him says he approved it. So if he didnt know, yeah hes lieing, he approved it!

I saw it on Fox News. He said it was a mistake and he found out about it the same time we did. I will try to find a video of it.

"The president is not responsible for his extra planes."

Yes he is. Extra? There are two identical planes that are both used. No extra.

You know how many people have to give permission to get one of those planes in the air? A lot. Including Obama. You wanna challenge that fact?

"the president doesn't do thing like setting up photo ops for one of his planes."

Yeah, just for himself.

Get over yourself, get over the hype of Barack Obama, and accept the truth.

Barack said that he found out about it when we found out about it. That was after everything had happened.

Fox, not "faux".

1. "who cares" -everyone that isn't to in love with Obama to think for themselves. You people will never stop going back to bush will you? Even when precious Barack screws up. "well, well -Bush did this and that".

2. Fox News doesn't have to look very hard when the Obama administration is doing such stupid things.

i dont know what obama lied about :(

someone tell me:)

i only picked yes for wanting to know because it is postive

You just made so many false assumptions about me that it's not even funny.

What can I expect from you though?

Let me assume some things about you tell me which ones are true and false. This will be fun.

1. You watch NBC a lot.

2. You are a fan of Kieth Olberman.

3. You hate Rush Limbaugh and know nothing about him other than what the mainstreemers tell you.

4. You hate "faux" News.

5. You like Dragon Ball Z -cheap shot I know

6. You're a nerd

7. You have watched Fahrenheit 9/11, ......-and LIKED IT! burn.

See how silly this is?! no assumptions please.

If something great came out of this stupid idea It would be all Obama's doing, wouldn't it? THEN it wouldn't be such a stupid idea.

Makes you wonder about all of the great things he's been getting credit for doesn't it?

Wow, ........it's just so weird to hear a liberal say that. Good for you. I'm so proud. (=

It's easy to tell if Obama is lying. Just look at his mouth. If it's open, he's probably lying ;)

Is he a politician? If you answered, "Yes" then you have to expect him to lie ;)

Fox is just reporting the facts... at least someone is. they present the issue, and the analysis provide both point of views (if it even becomes a debate).

don't see anything wrong with that. that's what News Organizations are supposed to do.

Lol I don't know what the hell you are watching, but thats not Fox News.

Actually they give the news and let you decide so I guess those are all your opinions.

1. okay

2. Fair enough, call it whatever you want, but if you don't like Fox then why watch it? And if your not watching it, then why do you want them fired?

Also, I have been watching Fox on and off like all week and havent heard anything about the swine flu being a terrorist attack..

"So Faux most certainly does not "simply report the news," they endlessly spin anything and everything."

So maybe they do. Why do you care? There are like 3 other channles that do it too, just in a different direction and with a lot more hate.

3. Gitmo

4. Fair enough.

you mean the liberal view point...

i really don't understand this argument. say something that is not true and expect that to be why you're right. they provide both sides of the argument, liberal and conservative.

"3. Gitmo"

I happen to think closing a camp that engaged in torture and the prolonged detainment of "terrorists" without trial was one of his best choices so far. But as you said, you've missed being able to disagree with me. :-P

One of the two aircraft commonly known as "Air Force One," even though Air Force One is really any air force vehicle that the President is currently in, flew over New York City, without the President on it, accompanied by an Air Force fighter jet(s) in order to take a picture of the aircraft with the Statue of Liberty in the background.

Because this was not widely known about at the time (the Mayor of New York didn't even know about it), it frightened many of the civilians of New York, as they were worried about another terrorist strike that had occurred or a hijacking of this aircraft. Because of this disturbance, people got mad, and needed someone to blame for all of the people getting worked up. As Obama is the figurehead of government, he was who everyone looked to. And he says that he didn't know about it, and many people disagree.

That is what they say he is lying about.

And your point is?

That one video doesn't represent Fox news. Thats one person who is voicing an opinion. They where just reporting it. At least there wasn't some crazy lady pushing an agenda and stirring crap up.

If you don't like Fox news, .... .. why do you watch it!?

"I'm not against the idea of a place like Guantanamo, as long as those accused are given fair and speedy trials. However that didn't happen, and thus the reputation of Guantanamo was tarnished to a point that it was the correct move to shut it down."

Okay I can agree with that but why shut the place down? Why not just enforce the constitution? I don't want these people going to U.S. Prisons. Yeah yeah, I'm such a hater, I know. l:

I think everything about Guantanamo became synonymous with an corrupt establishment without rules. The only way I could see the the reputation of the US on the world stage ever improving was to close it down.

"I don't want these people going to U.S. Prisons. Yeah yeah, I'm such a hater, I know. l:"

Well, I tend to agree with you on that point. Those found guilty after trial should, if their country of origin is cooperative, be sent back there to server their time. If their country of origin is not cooperative, then they should server their time in the US and then be deported back to their country of origin.

Although, I would stress that holding people captive for years without trial, only to set them free and deport them without ever finding them guilty of a crime is a fantastic way to breed the next generation of terrorists. To me, unfortunately, Guantanamo has led to more future terrorists then it has ever stopped in its operational time.

They informed emergency operators how to answer concerns.

IOW, they KNEW EXACTLY what reaction this "mission" would create. Not only that, but they cited federal law as an excuse to refuse to inform the public. They are, as a result, responsible for intentionally terrorizing the American people.

The convenience of using Caldera as a scapegoat is just that.

Okay maybe he didn't plan the whole thing, but to say he didn't know about it is a lie.

So, ....which ones are true? What's wrong you don't want to play the assumption game? Are you seeing a hint here?

What evidence do you have that me or Shawn Hannity is a terrorist?

Obama has fulfilled many of his manifesto promises. However, the way in which has has fulfilled them has been misleading, though not untruthful.

Guantanamo is a fantastic example - Obama claimed that Guantanamo would be steadily removed and the prisoners would either be released or face a fair trial and 'normal' imprisonment. This is being fulfilled at a speed faster than previously expected. However, what was not expected, is that prisoners who were released from Guantanamo were immediately re-arrested and taken to Bagram: a lawless, trial-less prison system with lower standards and less observation of basic human rights than Guantanamo. A liar, no. Deceitful, yes.

A half-truth is as good as a lie, I'm sure.

RE: Air Force One: Obama is not a 'figure-head'. He is a president: a man appointed by the citizens of the United States of America to control the way in which their state (country) is governed. It is Obama's personal responsibility to ensure that his government behave in a respectable and informed manner: if he is ill-informed, he is doing his job in an incorrect manner.

It is a daily thing with the White House and the all his sidekicks

Yes, just like all politicians in the history of history, Mr. Obama has lied. What ever happened to bringing back the troops? When he was signing the Death-To-America Plan (Stimulus Plan) he was sending more troops over to the Middle East.

"Imagine how little blame confusion there would be if this was under Bush. (Not that this would happen under Bush.)"

What??? I'll let you by easy on this one since you were around 9 years old when the Bush administration started and you probably don't remember all the bullshit like oh.. 9/11 ... Iraq War... Torture... Katrina...

Yeah there was little "blame confusion" because they just avoided the blame all together. What a patently absurd thing to say. You wanna compare this to what Bush and Co. got away with? Are you mentally handicapped? Or just a very young and naive republican shill who doesn't know any better?

PS- The president has many planes like this. They are only called Air Force One when he is inside them. The google is your friend.

I think only faux is trying to make this into "he lied!"

Obama said that he knew about it, and said it was a mistake, and to my knowledge, never said he did not know about it.

What he did not know was that the public was not informed. And he never commented on that aspect except again to say it was a mistake,

so in conclusion.

1. Who cares, no one was hurt, it's not like he lied about WMDs.

2. Faux is just looking for something to spin.

Obama's statement:

"It was something we found out about along with all of you. And it will not happen again," he said.

ABC news:

"When President Obama was told about the incident, he was 'furious,' a White House official says.

Official Reason:

"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision," White House Military Office director Louis Caldera said. "While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, its clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."

The president is not responsible for his extra planes. We know who made this mistake and it wasn't even a question as to whether Obama made this happen because the president doesn't do thing like setting up photo ops for one of his planes.

UGh. The White House approved it. That doesn't mean Obama himself did. Do you even know how our government works?

Who gives a shit? This is a stupid thing to be arguing about.

A mistake was made. Obama has taken responsibility and assured us it will not happen again.

Stop pointing fingers. We have more important things to worry about.

Louis Caldera, director of the White House Military Office, already accepted responsibility for the mistake.

Obama's commander-in-chief, not God-in-chief. He's not expected to be omniscient, or know exactly everything that the thousands of people working under him are doing. He was as pissed off by this as everyone else.

I hadn't realize he's been getting credit for things. I've been watching nothing but Fox, so I reasonably assumed Obama was the Hitler-Stalin-Anti-Christ out to brainwash my children, eat my baby, kick my puppy, and say mean things to my house plants.

Care to backup that assertion with some hard evidence? I dare you.

Here, I'll start first.

I love it how when Bush leads us into war on faulty pretences, and thousands of troops die, you don't even hear a peep from the right. But when someone in Obama's administration approves a senseless photo op, then all of a sudden they're out for blood.

Lol! That was hilarious up vote for you, and it is all so true.

This is a reply to both replies, I put it under yours because that's what's on the botom as of now:

1. You're right, Obama did say he found out about it when we did.

I was mistaken. Where's the proof he did not though? I haven't seen any. It seems to be generally accepted by every major media outlet outside of faux. But maybe he did... and it was all an evil plot to further his socialistic agenda.

2. It is faux, until they fire Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, and quit giving credence to the likes of Coulter (though O'Reilly did bring her to task once, and should get some credit for that) they will remain faux in my mind. Feel free to come up with some clever nickname for MSNBC if it makes you feel better about it.

case in point: they've been reporting the last two days swine flew is the fault of illegal immigrants, and insinuating it's some terrorist plot in hopes of recapturing some glimmer of the fear the far right controlled America with - when in fact it is very well documented that the virus was brought over by Catholic school girls who took a trip to Mexico... but maybe they're terrorists.

So Faux most certainly does not "simply report the news," they endlessly spin anything and everything.

3. Okay, let's pretend for a second Obama knew about this the whole time. Never mind that it makes 0 sense, is completely out of character, and there would be absolutely no point to it if he did know. Pretend you're right. You said stupid things, name one more.

4. I'll never stop saying "Bush did so and so" because as tempting as it is to just forget the whole thing, it's important to remember mistakes in order to not repeat them.

Yeah, I love Fox. No where else can you get both sides of a story; the conservative view point, and the evangelical conservative view point.

Down voted instead of providing supporting evidence? I guess we know where the actual evidence points...

Treating terrorists like U.S. citizens is a good idea why?

Just because they're in Guantanamo doesn't automatically make them terrorists, the same way that any American sitting in a jail awaiting trial isn't yet guilty of that crime. They're only terrorists once they're proved guilty, and proved guilty without coersion into confession through torture, by a jury of their peers. Held indefinitely without trial, whose to say who is and isn't a terrorist? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Why do you always seem to think that as an American citizen it's your right to have these protections but not others?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I'm not against the idea of a place like Guantanamo, as long as those accused are given fair and speedy trials. However that didn't happen, and thus the reputation of Guantanamo was tarnished to a point that it was the correct move to shut it down.

Held indefinitely without charge is against their "unalienable right" to liberty, or are all men only created equal as long as they're American?

I usually get my Fox News from Fox News. Where do you get yours?

So, what, every airborne commercial photo-op has to go directly to the president? Get real, Jake. He has delegates to handle these responsibilities, an administration, he's human, he can't know everything at once. There have been millions of photo ops in the past.

Not only that, but this is the jurisdiction of New York, not the federal level and the only reason it is now being reprimanded at this level is because of extensive media coverage.

And hype over Barack Obama has nothing to do with this issue. That's a charged statement and you know it. Way to be unbiased.

Not when they present selective facts and then bring on conservative "analysts" to interpret it for their viewers just in case.

"You know how many people have to give permission to get one of those planes in the air? A lot. Including Obama. You wanna challenge that fact?"

You seem to have no understanding over how our government beurocracy works. No, Obama doesn't give permission for those planes to do anything when he isn't using them. The president doesn't handle small things like that. He has a staff of hundreds to delegate things like that.

"Get over yourself, get over the hype of Barack Obama, and accept the truth."

I am actually extremely critical, but in an actual sane way. The person directly responsible for the orders for this mission has apologized and further action most likely will be taken after the review that is being forced on him. This wasn't Obama's fault, get over it.

"Yeah, just for himself." (regarding photo-ops)

Yeah like Bush and Cheney's photo-ops here in the south while people I knew were still fighting for their lives in the flood waters of Katrina. You seriously wanna compare notes on bad photo-ops after the last 8 years?

Gitmo is a media darling.

Nobody talks about Abu Ghraib. AND IT IS STILL IN OPERATION

see what the Obama admin thinks about closing that one.

NOT A FUCKING WORD.

enjoy the grandstanding.

Why because you choose to say so? Are you so wrapped in your ideological position that you have to be absolutist about this? The president is at the head of a huge government pyramid(executive branch) of people that run things on his behalf. That's our government. Do you seriously think an intelligent politician like Obama would look at the situation of flying an enormous jet over Manhattan and not see the red flags? This argument is ridiculous.

You thinking that your comparison pisses me off because my beliefs somehow, by that list, diametrically oppose your own, or so you are told.

THAT is silly.

Wait, so Fox news' reporters don't represent Fox News? There is a huge difference between reporting an opining.

And how do we know they're terrorists? Because they're locked up? Where do live? I'll give the police an anonymous tip that you're planning to blow something up. Then they'll lock you up indefinitely, and it must be true, since you'll be locked up and they have "concrete" evidence that you're a terrorist.

Please response when you know what "habeas corpus" means.

Because it's not technically US soil. There are a lot of Bush-era politicians and lawyers claiming that we can torture however we want there, because the Constitution somehow only applies on US soil.

You're cherry picking your facts. First, Abu Ghraib is currently under ownership of the Iraqi government. Second, after the abuses, Bush ordered the prison demolished, but a US military judged halted that because it was a crime scheme. Third, it's currently closed, with plans to re-open this year under control of the Iraqi government.

and quit giving credence to the likes of Coulter (though O'Reilly did bring her to task once, and should get some credit for that)

When was that? I've seen Coulter and O'Reilly get into bickering matches, but that seemed more due to a conflict between their stubborn egotistical personalities, then a serious intellectual debate.

Fine, I'll play your game.

1. Don't have cable, only internet. I watch a little bit of everything. It would probably surprise you that I actually like Shepard Smith on Fox as he seems to be genuine. CNN is bland, but nice and middle of the road as they try to be an international news station. MSNBC is ok too as progressives have been left out for a long time, and I dont mean what you would call "liberals". I mean progressives, there's a difference. There can be progressive republicans. Since the internet is where I get nearly all my news, my favorite "news"channel would have to be TheRealNews.com. They actually understand what they are talking about unlike cable news.

2. I have no problem with Keith Olbermann. His staff does their homework, he is polite on air, corrects himself when he is wrong, and usually goes out of his way to make sure you know when he is editorializing. Most of all, he is not afraid to attack the democrats even though he is a darling of the left. That is the most important thing.

3. Rush Limbaugh huh?... really?... I grew up around many staunch republicans. I have spent hours listening to Rush in my younger day, and I still hear things from him time to time when he says something that makes its way up the media ladder. I consider him a shock jock just like Howard Stern. His political leanings just mean he has a built in audience ready to eat up whatever offensive thing he says. I do not care for him, and I bet if I were to put up a list of his most colorful quotes, you wouldn't agree with those either. There are much better conservative voices on the radio.

4. Fox is what it is. They are more entertainment than news like most cable news. Occasionally something interesting does come from there, and like I said I like Shep Smith. Judge Napolitano is also a good voice to hear and his webcast Freedom Watch is good as well.

5.First time I saw DBZ was in late 80's on the international channel when I was like 9, and yes I liked it, but there are much better anime out there if you want to have that discussion. Japan is an interesting place if you ever get to go, animation there is treated like we treat tv shows and movies. So saying something like someone liking DBZ is a cheap shot is like saying "you watch Lost-I know, cheap shot". It's only a cheap shot to those who think like you. The rest of us are like,"um.. its just a tv show dood".

6. Ha! Oh come on, you can do better than that. The nerds won Jake. Don't you get it? When I was in high school most people including the jocks had no idea how to use a computer. How many people don't know how to use a computer now? We have assimilated you all. The world is run through technology and that technology is made by nerds.

Haha, you sit there arguing with me on a computer and then are utterly thoughtless enough to call me a nerd. WE ARE ALL NERDS. THE NERDS WON.

7. I dislike all of Michael Moore's films. He doesn't delve deeply enough into any of the subjects. He's a suface scratcher.

There, I hope that clears things up for you. You didn't just come out and ask so I'll tell you. No, I am not nor do I consider myself a liberal.(not in the current context at least)

I am a registered independant and proud of it. I think it's silly to give your support away to one of the parties when both are capable of huge wrongs.

Fair enough. I knew most of that would probably be wrong. I just wanted to show that assumptions don't get you very far. I respect you and your views.

As a president of US, it is unlikely that he lie.

I could see some progress in the us since obama took over.

Why would obama lie? As a leader, he want to see progress in his own country.

If he lie, many would hate him and US will be going down..

Is there proof that obama lie??? If yes, in what aspect would he want to lie? Would he lie to grab a high position.. It cannot be as he was already the president.

What has these gonna do with obama? I mean... He is a nerd?? Sorry, maybe i misundertood you...

no, so far, look at what he said and what hes done. He's doing healthcare. He hasn't made nazist camps and hes being a good president. All thoses protesters, they have no right to be saying those things, even under bush or nixion nothing like that was said but now a good president comes along for a change and people are like, "hes the anti-chist!" personly, the people who dont want health care are the health care companys and they are doing this whole thing to stay rich.

Fox news? If you wanted people to take that seriously watch CNN or read it online from a non-biases source. Not to be mean or anything, but any biases new is not good, even if the bias is totally right or totally wrong.