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Did the Founders of America really want a theocracy?

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2 points

Mind you I do not mean that Christianity wasn't a part of American culture. The Constitution even mentions Lord (in the form of "Year of our Lord" once). But rather that it was secular (and secular doesn't mean "seperation"). What that means is that favoritism cannot be shown on the basis of whether you're religious or not. All have equal protection and standing under the law.

Now, a lot of the colonies that made up America were founded in response to religious oppression in other countries. I definitely believe that this country was founded to protect Jews and Christians, but it wasn't to impose a religion on anyone.

Side: nO
2 points

Of course the founders of this great nation did not want a theocracy. It has never been a theoracy and will never be one. If you look at our history, our public schools always had the freedoms to express our Christin heritage. Many of our communities actually wanted to have Christian school teachers because of their moral values. IT WAS NOT A THEORACY! IT WAS CALLED FREEDOM TO CHOOSE!

The anti God Left have twisted everything the Constituton stands for and has prohibited the free exercise of religion on public grounds.

A nativity scene on public land establishes NOTHING and for sure has NOTHING to do with a theocracy. It's called freedom of American communities to CHOOSE if they want to celebrate our Christian history and heritage.

NO COMMUNITY IS EVER FORCED TO PUT UP A NATIVITY SCENE BY A BIG BROTHER FEDERAL THEOCRACY. That would be establishing a religion.

As you will notice, we have the exact opposite of a Theocracy. We have a political correct secularacy. Every public school MUST CENSOR any mention of our Christian heritage, or our Christian holidays (with no child forced to attend), etc. etc.

This is every bit as bad as a theocracy would be. But this extremist Democrat party has sold it's soul to it's bigoted Left.

We now have a Big Brother Federal Government that will force every public school to allow boys in girls bathrooms!

Every single state in the union has been forced by big brother Government to change their marriage laws.

America is losing it's freedoms to express their beliefs or to dissagree with the collective.

Every parent who has the common sense to want NO BOYS IN THEIR GIRL'S BATHROOMS have a right to their beliefs! They also pay taxes to these public schools and have a right to vote on controversial issues such as these!

NOT SO SAYS THE BIG BROTHER DEMOCRAT PARTY. They say EVERY public school must bow down to political correct extremisn whereby some boy who thinks he is a girl can go into your daughter's bathroom. This democrt party has truly become controlling extremist activists.

Please votes these extremists out of office!

Side: nO
Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

Everything you advocate would be a theocracy. You want only religious freedom for Christianity. You want rules based only on Christianity.

Side: yES
1 point

You really understanding nothing about our constitution or our legal system. You have demonstrated that time and time again. you simply want to impose your views upon others.

Side: yES
KNHav(1957) Disputed
2 points

Your missing the point religion was not legislation.

People who have morals or do not have morals equally bring their whole person into government.

We are Americans we all are a religion. Whatever you believe and stand for is a religion.

So you say and others in your camp that immorality is the standard. So what's the difference?

Other than one is chewing our leg of from the least to the greatest, and one is trying to pull legs out of the mouths of the selfishly immoral.

We actually didn't have an overly moral or churches society, we had a live and let live society where everything existed and we each could partake in our "beliefs"

And now we have a society that forces morality, it just happens to be immorality that's forced!

One was neutral to each his own, with all present, and taken by choice. And now we have a force against everyone who wants to be at peace without their neighbors shit in their yard, going through our doors, all the way up to our kitchens!

I'm an 80' throwback, I know, it was live and let live since the 60s, and our 80's era was influenced by that.

So I speak from life experience, live and let live, and you guys are controlled and control. I'm shocked at how decieved you guys are. It's incredible to see this take over and you all think it's freedom. I'm shocked!

Side: nO
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Your missing the point religion was not legislation.

People who have morals or do not have morals equally bring their whole person into government.

We are Americans we all are a religion. Whatever you believe and stand for is a religion.

So you say and others in your camp that immorality is the standard. So what's the difference?

Other than one is chewing our leg of from the least to the greatest, and one is trying to pull legs out of the mouths of the selfishly immoral.

We actually didn't have an overly moral or churches society, we had a live and let live society where everything existed and we each could partake in our "beliefs"

And now we have a society that forces morality, it just happens to be immorality that's forced!

One was neutral to each his own, with all present, and taken by choice. And now we have a force against everyone who wants to be at peace without their neighbors shit in their yard, going through our doors, all the way up to our kitchens!

I'm an 80' throwback, I know, it was live and let live since the 60s, and our 80's era was influenced by that.

So I speak from life experience, live and let live, and you guys are controlled and control. I'm shocked at how decieved you guys are. It's incredible to see this take over and you all think it's freedom. I'm shocked!

Side: nO

Absolutely not, I don't even know why this is an argument. The fact that the 1st Amendment exists and what it's legal implications are makes it clear that a Theocracy is not only what wasn't intended, it is specifically, judiciously excluded by our Constitution. Constitutional Amendments aside, how do you reconcile the assertion that our Founding Fathers intended a Theocracy when the purpose for establishing America was to escape the Religious Persecution in Europe?

We are a secular Nation because those are the values that our very wise Founding Fathers reasoned (correctly) that this was the only way to ensure everyone's Religious Freedoms. The vast majority of our Founding Fathers were not only not Christian (as is erroneously claimed), but Deists. Some were arguable Atheists, when it comes down to it. Jefferson and Paine come to mind. So it seems to me very contrary to evidence indeed to claim that our Founding Fathers intended anything other than a Secular Nation.

Side: nO