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Did the holocaust really happen?

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Side Score: 6
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Yes the Holocaust really happened. We know this because we have survivors who say it happened. Also we should never deny that it happened because "those who deny history are bound to repeat it."

-it have no idea who said that but it is a quote-

Side: yes

"Those who deny history are doomed to repeat it," I think that that is the correct quote. There are those who would say that the only people who can prove that the holocaust happened are the Jews and they say that the Jews are a bunch of liars.

Side: yes
1 point

Of course the Holocaust happened. It has been proven, many times over. But some people, American Nazis for example, claim that it never happened. It is easy to say things that are not true. It is easy to believe things that are not true.

There is alot of evidence to back it up to, There are eyewitness accounts, of Jews and Nazis and bystanders. There are confessions. There are mountains of documents. There are graves and crematoriums. And there are missing people, individuals and huge parts of populations, gone, murdered.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes but I should have the right to deny it nonetheless .

Side: yes
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Keep in mind, I'm only playing Devil's Advocate to show how much it relates to 9/11 Truth conspiracies.

But, unlike 9/11 Truth Conspiracies, Holocaust Denial is actually illegal in 13 countries which include France, Germany and Israel. Why would 13 countries try to keep any suggestion that something may not have happened as the history books currently claim if they weren't trying to hide something? History is constantly speculated over and many other genocides that have occurred are constantly being revised to ensure accuracy. This is because we know they have happened, we just don't know ALL THE FACTS about it just yet. But, when it comes to the WW2 holocaust, all of a sudden people don't want there to be any fact checking and revising.

There has been no attempt to stop 9/11 Truthers from spreading their bullshit. Just something interesting.

Now, for the reasons: Truthers believe that 9/11 was done in order to give us a reason to go to war with the Middle East and give Oil executives major profits (whether giving them more access to Middle Eastern oil or restricting Middle Eastern Oil, giving those who have oil rigs on non Middle Eastern shores an advantage... Truthers can't seem to make up their mind).

Why would lies about the Holocaust be created?

1. To give reason to eliminate the Nazi party and all its supporters (Fascist leaders). The goal here is to eliminate Fascism. Even if Socialists in Europe have to ally with Capitalists in America. Americans are easy to win over since they feel they need to rub their nose into everything.

2. Part of a larger conspiracy for Jews to take over Palestine.

Now, for the "irrefutable" evidence. As we know, the 9/11 Truthers don't know science but make scientific claims (from the claims, we know that they don't know science). They've made claims about thermite (even though the claims can't be true since thermite does not cut steel like a thin blade, but just makes it all warped and droopy and shit, which are not how the steel looks in the thermite claim pics). They've made claims about mini explosions, which turn out to be air pockets (it's funny, because that would be my first guess, air pockets... do these people even know what explosions look like?). They make claims on "it looked like a controlled demolition". I mean, despite the common sense that a controlled demolition would not result in how Ground Zero looked afterward, the buildings went down exactly as they would if planes had hit them and weakened the steel (as they did). Fire can't melt steel; my fuckin' God what a retarded bunch of shit this one turned out to be.

1. The guy who they try to resource as the one who claims the steel was melted pointed out clearly (in another article) that he was just trying to talk about how warped steel looked melted sometimes.

2. Steel can't be melted by explosions either. They would actually need Dr. Evil's laser to melt that steel. And don't try the thermite claim, i already explained how it can't be thermite.

3. Jet fuel burns hot enough to eliminate 50% of steel's strength, which easily causes it to give out (especially since the jets were filled with fuel).

And they have more claims, w/e, they're all pretty easy to dispute once you do the research.

But here's a claim from the Holocaust deniers that I find interesting, all in this link

Side: No