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Dirk LeBron
Debate Score:27
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Dirk Nowitzki vs. LeBron James

Who is the better player/person?

 

--Apollo

Dirk

Side Score: 15
VS.

LeBron

Side Score: 12
2 points

Do any of them have a song? Then I would be better equipped to judge.

This is a winner.
Side: Dirk
1 point

I love that Tim Tebow song! It's awesome and I like Tim Tebow!

Side: Dirk
1 point

I like Dirk because he is a good player and also he is a good center. I like him because he is tall. I don't really like Lebron James much. I never like Lebron. I always have liked Dirk.

Side: Dirk
Ghost(86) Disputed Banned
1 point

This is not argument) You just like him, but it doesn't make him better than LeBron)

Side: LeBron
1 point

Dirk is the better all-round player. He has great offensive stats (despite being 6 years older) and better in most areas.

He is loyal, having played for the Mavericks for the entirety of his career. LeBron left Cleveland to get a ring. Not only that, but he was extremely arrogant and cocky throwing a huge party to declare how he would win the next 8 championships.

Dirk doesn't do that. He dedicates his life to the Mavs and led them to victory last year.

LeBron made fun of Dirk for being sick. He is a pathetic, arrogant person who doesn't deserve to be where he is today.

Just the 2011 Playoffs
Side: Dirk
Ghost(86) Disputed Banned
1 point

I don't mind that victory of teams are acievements of LeBron or Dirk I think that it is achievments of whole team)) We compare two admirable players , not teams. So i think it is not important in this situation, that dallas has won (first time) NBA)

Side: LEBRON
Apollo(1608) Disputed
2 points

To an extent. But in the video I posted, the last NINE points of their 15 point comeback were all Dirk. The game winning show: Dirk. They showed how he had practiced that move hundreds of time. Defender, spin move left, fade-away jumper. When it gets down to the final quarter and the pressure is on the stats look like this:

Points

Dirk: 44

LeBron: 9

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FG

Dirk: 12-24

LeBron: 3-12

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FT

Dirk: 18-18

LeBron: 3-3

Rebounds

Dirk: 14

LeBron: 7

Side: Dirk
Apollo(1608) Disputed
1 point

We compare two admirable players , not teams

Then it is unfair to compare PPG stats. The Miami heat isn't a team. It is Wade, LeBron, and Bosh, and then a bunch of people to fill the rest of the spots.

If you watch basketball a lot, you will clearly see that Dirk isn't greedy. LeBron is. The fact that he has a high PPG is evident of that. Kobe is the same way. NOw if you look at the Allen, Rondo, Garnett trio, they work quite well together IMO.

Side: Dirk
Becker11(12) Disputed
1 point

You can't say dirk is a better all around player and then not say how? Regardless, that is not true. Lebron is a play maker. He can make easy baskets come. Hes unselfish, makin sure everyone gets in the game even at the level he plays at. He's getting better on the low post. He gets rebounds. And let's not forget how easily he can take the ball to the hole and pull up for jumpers. Lebron can be put anywhere on the court and have success. Not to take anything away from dirk though, he is a great shooter. He can play other areas well, too but you'll never see him as a ball handler. Look, it comes down to who is the better all around player, not who's better at ONE aspect of the game. And that is Lebron. For the majority of this 2012 season, he has averaged the most points on the team, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks.

Side: LeBron
1 point

The greatest comeback in NBA history...

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Dirk
Side: Dirk
Ghost(86) Disputed Banned
1 point

2011 REGULAR-SEASON LEADERS

MAVERICKS

VS

HEAT

Scoring

D. Nowitzki

PPG: 23.0

FG%: .517

PTS: 1681

L. James

PPG: 26.7

FG%: .510

PTS: 2111

LeBron is better =Р)) even if Heat had lose to Mavericks

Side: LEBRON
Ghost(86) Banned
1 point

I agree that Heat has lose to Mavericks) but could Dirk repeat triple-double)??

Side: LEBRON

Dirk has one more of these than LeBron, so until he has more, it is Dirk.

Side: Dirk
1 point

And he's arrogant as hell, too.

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Not one, not two, not three, NOT ANY!
Side: Dirk
1 point

Lebron cant pull a win off in the final seconds ever. Not in Cleveland most likely not in miami

Side: Dirk
Jogotskilz16(40) Disputed
1 point

He has though look at The Minnesota Timberwolves game in 2018 or look at Game 7 of the 2016 NBA Finals. Also Don't forget he leads the NBA in fourth quarter points and he is considered one of the most Clutches in the 2018 season. He also has the most points averaged in the final 4 minutes of a game.

Side: LeBron
1 point

can shoot anything better rebounder and dunker. also is better guy

Side: Dirk
Jogotskilz16(40) Disputed
1 point

This is also false look at their career stats, look at their rookie stats, and look at their stats from the age of 30 to 33. Then re-evaluate your statement.

Side: LeBron
0 points

Dirk is a better person and shooter, Lebron is a better overall player but overconfident, cocky person.

Side: Dirk
Jogotskilz16(40) Disputed
1 point

I disagree LeBron is a way better shooter and he a idol for kids and he will never just shut up and dribble.

Side: LeBron
Ghost(86) Banned
2 points

I vote for LeBron James. Why? So now, I will prove my view point. After that, I will glad if you support and approve me.

First of all, LeBron James is younger on 6 years than Dirk Nowitzki. Also Mr. James is going to catch up Dirk for Career Points, because LeBron score more balls per game. LeBron James has been awarded more times, although they are both very valuable players of NBA. Despite of this fact LeBron has won MVP in 2009, in 2010. He has made All-Star team in every season except his rookie season. He has become youngest player in NBA history, when he has scored 40 points in a game, 1,000 career points, and 10,000 career points. Despite of fact that Dirk Nowitzki has won MVP in 2011, he is old and so he will end his career faster than LeBron. Nevertheless LeBron is a leader, not just a leader, but a leader which support team spirit, and soul of the company. Do you know? LeBron James has repeated feat of MICHAEL JORDAN, he has done triple-double. He is the second man who could it after Mr. Jordan. This is awesome. I think that’s enough on today.

Side: LEBRON

I also support this argument but, why is this a questions? It's comapring Lebron James "The King" to Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, or any other Legends but let me break it down for you.

Lebron James

3 championships

15 seasons

12 playoffs played

14 all-star games

Dirk Nowitzki

1 championship

20 seasons

15 playoffs played

13 all-star games

But keep in mind LeBron James is only getting better by age. Dirk on the other hand is not.

Lebron Dirk

4 season MVP 1

3 Finals mVP 1

11 All-NBA First Team 4

13 All NBA Team 12

6 All-Defensive Team 0

1 scoring leader 0

1 Rookie of the year 0

Now on to the real stats

Dirk

Rookie year

GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P�G% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

1999-00 21 DAL NBA PF 82 81 35.8 6.3 13.6 .461 1.4 3.7 .379 4.9 9.9 .491 .513 3.5 4.2 .830 1.2 5.2 6.5 2.5 0.8 0.8 1.7 3.1 17.5

Now Lebron

Rookie year

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P�G% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

2003-04 19 CLE NBA SG 79 79 39.5 7.9 18.9 .417 0.8 2.7 .290 7.1 16.1 .438 .438 4.4 5.8 .754 1.3 4.2 5.5 5.9 1.6 0.7 3.5 1.9 20.9

Once again as Lebron is getting older he's getting better

2014-15 30 CLE NBA SF 69 69 36.1 9.0 18.5 .488 1.7 4.9 .354 7.3 13.6 .536 .535 5.4 7.7 .710 0.7 5.3 6.0 7.4 1.6 0.7 3.9 2.0 25.3

2015-16 31 CLE NBA SF 76 76 35.6 9.7 18.6 .520 1.1 3.7 .309 8.6 14.9 .573 .551 4.7 6.5 .731 1.5 6.0 7.4 6.8 1.4 0.6 3.3 1.9 25.3

2016-17 32 CLE NBA SF 74 74 37.8 9.9 18.2 .548 1.7 4.6 .363 8.3 13.5 .611 .594 4.8 7.2 .674 1.3 7.3 8.6 8.7 1.2 0.6 4.1 1.8 26.4

2017-18 33 CLE NBA PF 71 71 37.2 10.5 19.3 .545 1.8 4.9 .369 8.7 14.3 .606 .592 4.6 6.3 .725 1.2 7.5 8.6 9.1 1.5 1.0 4.3 1.7 27.4

Career NBA 1132 1131 38.8 9.9 19.6 .504 1.4 4.1 .344 8.5 15.5 .546 .540 6.0 8.1 .739 1.2 6.1 7.3 7.2 1.6 0.8 3.5 1.9 27.1

11 seasons CLE NBA 838 837 39.1 9.9 20.1 .491 1.5 4.4 .337 8.4 15.7 .534 .528 6.0 8.3 .733 1.2 6.1 7.3 7.3 1.6 0.8 3.5 1.9 27.2

4 seasons MIA NBA 294 294 38.0 9.9 18.2 .543 1.2 3.4 .369 8.7 14.9 .582 .577 5.9 7.8 .758 1.2 6.4 7.6 6.7 1.7 0.7 3.4 1.7 26.9

Now look at Dirk from age 30 to 33

2008-09 30 DAL NBA PF 81 81 37.7 9.6 20.0 .479 0.8 2.1 .359 8.8 17.9 .493 .498 6.0 6.7 .890 1.1 7.3 8.4 2.4 0.8 0.8 1.9 2.2 25.9

2009-10 31 DAL NBA PF 81 80 37.5 8.9 18.5 .481 0.6 1.5 .421 8.3 17.0 .487 .498 6.6 7.2 .915 1.0 6.7 7.7 2.7 0.9 1.0 1.8 2.6 25.0

2010-11 32 DAL NBA PF 73 73 34.3 8.4 16.2 .517 0.9 2.3 .393 7.5 13.8 .538 .545 5.4 6.1 .892 0.7 6.3 7.0 2.6 0.5 0.6 1.9 2.4 23.0

2011-12 33 DAL NBA PF 62 62 33.5 7.6 16.7 .457 1.3 3.4 .368 6.4 13.3 .481 .495 5.1 5.7 .896 0.7 6.0 6.7 2.2 0.7 0.5 1.9 2.1 21.6

2012-13 34 DAL NBA PF 53 47 31.3 6.5 13.7 .471 1.2 3.0 .414 5.2 10.8 .487 .516 3.1 3.6 .860 0.7 6.2 6.8 2.5 0.7 0.7 1.3 1.8 17.3

2013-14 35 DAL NBA PF 80 80 32.9 7.9 15.9 .497 1.6 4.1 .398 6.3 11.8 .532 .549 4.2 4.7 .899 0.5 5.7 6.2 2.7 0.9 0.6 1.5 2.1 21.7

2014-15 36 DAL NBA PF 77 77 29.6 6.3 13.8 .459 1.4 3.6 .380 5.0 10.2 .486 .508 3.3 3.8 .882 0.6 5.4 5.9 1.9 0.5 0.4 1.1 2.1 17.3

2015-16 37 DAL NBA PF 75 75 31.5 6.6 14.8 .448 1.7 4.6 .368 5.0 10.3 .483 .504 3.3 3.7 .893 0.7 5.8 6.5 1.8 0.7 0.7 1.1 2.1 18.3

2016-17 38 DAL NBA PF 54 54 26.4 5.5 12.6 .437 1.5 3.9 .378 4.0 8.7 .463 .495 1.8 2.1 .875 0.4 6.1 6.5 1.5 0.6 0.7 0.9 2.1 14.2

2017-18 39 DAL NBA C 71 71 24.8 4.6 9.9 .463 1.8 4.3 .426 2.8 5.6 .491 .555 1.3 1.5 .904 0.3 5.3 5.6 1.6 0.6 0.6 0.7 1.9 12.3

Career NBA 1465 1434 34.4 7.5 15.9 .473 1.3 3.4 .384 6.2 12.5 .497 .514 4.9 5.6 .879 1.0 6.7 7.7 2.5 0.8 0.9 1.7 2.4 21.3

There's more but this should out this debate to an end

Side: LeBron
Jogotskilz16(40) Clarified
1 point

I meant It's not comparing LeBron James to any of those guys and more. Sorry.

Side: Dirk