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The government could be doing so much more if they weren't arguing over every little thing. Racism and sexism still haven't been fully worn away, so they're keeping race groups and men and women seperate.
And what about the idiots who whine when the main character of a movie isn't a white man? I'm guessing you'd say that "white men are the majority. News flash! You're both assuming something about democrats and acting like people aren't racist and sexist anymore. Have you ever heard of the fact that there are neighborhoods where there aren't any white people or black people? Probably not since you don't live in reality.
And what about the idiots who whine when the main character of a movie isn't a white man? I'm guessing you'd say that "white men are the majority.
I'm guessing that you are pretending like Will Smith, Halle Berri, Morgan Freeman, Samuel L Jackson, oprah Winfrey, etc don't exist to spin a bs narrative.
News flash! You're both assuming something about democrats and acting like people aren't racist and sexist anymore.
Sure they do. Black, Hispanic, White and Muslim supremacists exist. They are about .0000000001% of the U.S. population.
Have you ever heard of the fact that there are neighborhoods where there aren't any white people or black people?
There are Mexican, White, Muslim, Chinese, Etc areas everywhere. Tribalism is normal with all human beings. We are comfortable with what we know. It's a darwinian survival instinct.
Probably not since you don't live in reality.
In the 1970s and 1980s "racism" wasn't a thing. People assumed it had pretty much disappeared overall. Progressives ended the streak with a religion of identity politics.
Racism and sexism still haven't been fully worn away, so they're keeping race groups and men and women separate
Although this isn't a false statement, what is troublesome is the typical operative view that this is occurring unidirectionally against Women & "minority" groups by Whites & Males--which is not at all true.
People say there is no need for feminism in the west, but I would argue otherwise. While it is clear that the problems women have in the US and Europe are miniscule compared to the terrible injustice they face in the Middle East, there are still some hurtful stereotypes that really need to be shaken off by society. Women still are brought up according to stereotypes, and choose stereotypical female jobs. Same with men. And racism, well, it still does persist. There is no real, substantiated reason for discrimination against other races and genders. It is just a mixture of cowardice, xenophobia and stupidity really.
What are these hurtful stereotypes, why are they hurtful, what are stereotypical jobs, why are they hurtful, and why do they need to be shaken off by society?
One of the common ones is the age-old stereotype that men are always stronger than women. While men are on average physically stronger, this doesn't mean that women can't be strong and hold their own against other people. This is a big reason why women rarely join the army. Because they're always told it's not a "female" job. Another hurtful stereotype is that men are the ones who work, and women work at home. While there is nothing inherently wrong with that, it does discourage women to go out there and get a good job. And of course the same goes for men. The "boys don't cry" stereotype is also a very bad one, because it means that men can't be emotional, or else they'd be written off as "gay" or "pussys". And it has been shown that, when people bottle up their emotions, it can be very mentally damaging.
Stereotypical jobs are the traditional jobs of each gender. For example, stereotypical male jobs include the army, construction work, office jobs, etc.
Stereotypical female jobs include being a housewife, working in hospitality, nurses, etc. While things have changed a lot, the general pattern remains. And so many people are discouraged from doing jobs that are typically occupied by people from the other gender. This can be hurtful because then people will be socially inclined to doing something that may not be what they really want to do. Many women face harassment and discrimination when trying to apply for the army, simply because they're women, not because of their actual performance.
People say there is no need for feminism in the west, but I would argue otherwise.
There is most certainly a need for a Women's Advocacy Movement (as there is for Male Advocacy), however there is no need for Neo-Feminism as it is a tremendous force for ill in the world--(overwhelmingly) campaigning against both the better interests of men & women in different respects.
Discrimination itself is a necessity. Arbitrary discrimination, of the kind described, is a problem where it exists. But it is far from being a primary issue in the US and it certainly isn’t holding the country down. The country isn’t being held down. Look around.
You misunderstood me. If you have preferences then you discriminate. Even when this is applied to other people it isn’t enherently bad. If you have a sexual orientation, then you discriminate. Arbitrary Discrimination based superficial qualities such as race is problematic. But it’s not holding the country down.
Why should I fully accept someone who is a shitty person? Do You think an employer should fully accept a drug addict or alcoholic?Would you like to see laws against descrimination against addicts?
Not all discrimination is racial or gender discrimination. Neither of which are near as prevalent as pretended.
Discriminate is a bad word to use if you are using it to talk about unjust treatment, because "discriminate" means to distinguish between. To tell the difference between.
I think the usage of discriminate in what is practically exclusively a negative context is part of some conspiracy to get people to relinquish their right to vote. It's newspeak being forced down our throats, and it is new speak that is encouraged by the UN among other entities.
After all, what is voting but exercised discrimination? What goes away with discrimination? Voting quite naturally.
Discrimination is what you do when you choose one option over another. Amarel is talking about discrimination in the generalized usage of the word while you are using the word to specifically mean "racial discrimination".
Google the term and you'll find many black people explaining how and why this Bongo mentality has dragged so many large cities such as Detroit into the gutter along with all the other African third world cities.
$100 million was ploughed into Detroit and jobs were created.
Whilst you can create endless job opportunities you can't make the Bongo take them'
NIGGERISM AND NOTHING ELSE WILL BE THE CAUSE FOR AMERICA'S DEMISE AS A WORLD MILITARY AND INDUSTRIAL POWER.
They ostracize themselves from the rest of society with their rap language, disproportionate high violent crime rate and job shy laziness.
When Bongo benefit barons move into a decent neighbourhood they quickly turn the 'cityscape' into something akin to a war zone.
Filth everywhere, violent crime with black gangs of unemployed wasters hanging around the rat infested streets with the buildings being allowed to decay and fall into disrepair.
Be aware of the spreading disease of NIGGERISM and never let anyone tell you that such a description is racism.
Maybe the government and entertainment industry should stop cramming this crap down people's throats and telling them it is black.
The institutionalized racism should be more obvious when you realize that nearly everything that is given an amplified voice is either racist or intended to paint black people a certain way.
Maybe people like you are actually perpetuating this by buying into it.
And yeah, I don't know what you mean by "niggerism, but it sounds racist
For a more comprehensive and accurate interpretation of NIGGERISM, google it, or take a leisurely stroll with your family through the black ghettos of, for instance, Detroit.
See how far you get.
NIGGERISM is what happens to neighbourhoods when the Bongo weighs in en-mass.
I grew up in the ghetto in Chicago, I don't need you to tell me anything about that. Everything I see implies some type of prejudice against people with black skin.
You blame it on the black people, but what you don't see is the institutionalized racism that perpetuates these things. I once again have to point at the media's projection of what it means to be black.
Niggerism is when crack selling trap house lords are chosen to represent the music of black skinned people despite the fact that there are musicians with black skin who are REALLY GOOD. Niggerism is when the entertainment media only pushes racist black skinned comedians to the top. Niggerism is when the government says it doesn't discriminate, but asks if you are black on all the government forms. Niggerism is when 2nd amendment rights are crapped all over, and wanna be gangster thugs can't be driven out of the neighborhood for selling drugs and terrorizing the young people with violence.
See, you say the isolated variable is what? Having black skin?
Clearly there is more going into this than the color of people's skin. Because you see this as the key variable, you've embraced racism which is UNHELPFUL.
It also perpetuates the cycle, because people like you who think that blackness is a problem tend to not hire blacks or show preference to others. You contribute to the feeling of isolation and otherness that many black skinned people feel when dealing with whites who think of themselves as being innately superior.
Instead of being helpful, what? You condemn? That's what it sounds like. I don't appreciate you talking about a group of people as if they are sub-human based on the color of their skin. This is clearly not a righteous method of discernment.
I looked up "niggerism", and everything I got had to do with having black skin. What do I need to expand on?
"Will you please give as many examples as you can of institutional racism that perpetuates poverty in the inner city? Please be specific."
Look, I believe there are always ways to rise above these things. I don't think it does good for the person trying to get free from this stuff to focus on these things. The point is, a great deal of psychological warfare is being waged on people with black skin, and it should be obvious. I already pointed out how the entertainment media shows preference for, and promotes a certain image of what it means to be black. An image that is blatantly racist and usually very self destructive. Like anything that is widely propagated, it is widely consumed and has an effect on the culture. I already pointed out how the government is not supposed to discriminate based on race, yet at the same time asks whether or not you are black on government forms.
See, these are little things. Yes. But if you open your eyes to this, it should be obvious that there is a lot of psychological warfare being waged against people with black skin. It is clearly something that is being exploited, and on a different level than any other group of people.
What is the point of all of it? To divide us all in order to make us easier to conquer. To kill, steal, and destroy. The fact that race is acknowledged as a reality is beyond a shadow of a doubt proof of institutionalized racism.What more do you even need than that?
Race is some eugenicist conspiracy, that is what I think. I don't believe that it is a truly isolated variable. It's pseudoscience. I personally think it would be better if we abandoned it as a concept. People are always going to discriminate based on things like skin color, hair color, things like that, but we don't have to tie these things to concepts like "race". Besides that, skin color, eye color, all these things do not necessarily imply other characteristics. That is superstitious thinking.
Guess what? Beautiful skin comes in all colors. There is great diversity in appearances when it comes to people, we have hair of all thickness, and not all hair is wound up the same way. We have different shaped eyes, bodies, etc.
I looked up "niggerism", and everything I got had to do with having black skin. What do I need to expand on?
I thought you were saying that, growing up in Chicago, everything you see implies prejudice. If that’s not what was meant, then no expansion is needed.
The point is, a great deal of psychological warfare is being waged on people with black skin, and it should be obvious
In your previous post you said “you don’t see the institutional racism that perpetuates these things. You’re right. I don’t see them. That means they aren’t obvious. Nor is the psychological war against black people obvious. If you can, I would like examples of that as well.
entertainment media shows preference for, and promotes a certain image of what it means to be black
That wouldn’t happen if there wasn’t money in it. That garbage exists to meet the demands of its consumers.
I already pointed out how the government is not supposed to discriminate based on race, yet at the same time asks whether or not you are black on government forms
I take this to mean you are against quotas. Those questions aren’t meant to harm the black applicant, quite the opposite. But they should be removed.
But if you open your eyes to this, it should be obvious that there is a lot of psychological warfare being waged against people with black skin
Your examples are black entertainment (which ignores all of the very positive roles played by very famous black actors), and checking a box for race on gov forms (a practice that hopes to help black people).
This is not evidence of institutional racism or psychological warfare. If it is obvious, there should be obvious examples. If there are not obvious examples, then the problem, if it exists, is not obvious.
What is the point of all of it?
My point is to make the problem very clear and obvious. Otherwise it cannot be addressed. I don’t see the problem to be what you say it is.
The fact that race is acknowledged as a reality is beyond a shadow of a doubt proof of institutionalized racism
There is no merit to this statement. Race is a social. The existence of this construct does not necessitate the existence of prejudice based on this construct.
People are always going to discriminate based on things like skin color, hair color, things like that, but we don't have to tie these things to concepts like "race".
I see it differently. I don’t believe there is a problem of discrimination based on hair color. I think occurrences of racial discrimination are overestimated. The ideal would be for people to think of race similarly to hair color. But for that we need a more unified culture.
Besides that, skin color, eye color, all these things do not necessarily imply other characteristics. That is superstitious thinking.
We agree here.
The lie is that racism must account for racial troubles. The lie is that white people are holding black people down and thinking otherwise is simply more proof. I think this lie has a significant negative impact on individuals in many black communities.
As long as race is a factor in any type of judgement you are making, that is racism. In fact, acknowledging race is inherently racist.
What I'm trying to say is that society is incredibly racist, and any attempts to fight racism are going to backfire because the people who are fighting racism are themselves racist. The institution as a result is racist. Whether or not it is trying to fix the problem is not the issue.
A lot of terrible things are done with good intent to fix real problems.
Racism is a real problem. Why? Because people still accept racism as a reality instead of discarding it as pseudo scientific superstition.
You can't legislate people into not being racist. Doing so is dangerous. I believe that people are using all these racisms, sexisms, and whatever hatey buzz words they use as excuses to make discrimination illegal, which is SCARY.
If people only knew how scary the idea of banning discrimination is.
As long as race is a factor in any type of judgement you are making, that is racism
Is it racist to specifically hire a black man to play the role of Frederick Douglas? Of course not.
In fact, acknowledging race is inherently racist
That’s completely false. Recognizing a red head has read hair does not make me hairist, even though hair color designations are largely socially constructed.
What I'm trying to say is that society is incredibly racist, and any attempts to fight racism are going to backfire because the people who are fighting racism are themselves racist
Only by your absurd understanding of racism.
The institution as a result is racist
What institution is racist? Seriously. Which one and in what way?
Whether or not it is trying to fix the problem is not the issue
Ah. So the checking of a box for race is racist? I can get on board with that. Though I don’t think that box is what’s keeping a disproportionate rate of black people in poverty and jail.
Racism is a real problem.
It’s not a big problem if it’s in the examples you provided.
Why? Because people still accept racism as a reality instead of discarding it as pseudo scientific superstition
I think many people accept that it exists, even where it doesn’t, and that is a problem. Almost everyone feels they have been unfairly ticketed in traffic at some point. A black person is told it happened because of racism.
By the way, your method of responding by breaking everything into pieces seems to me like it is something that gets in the way of comprehension. You must be one of those people who interrupts people all the time when they talk, eh? Bad habit, just saying. I even see you in your responses addressing things that are literally addressed in the following sentence.
You don't have to break my words up in order to have a conversation with me. I'd really prefer it if you didn't.
If it helps, maybe talk about one thing at a time.
If I address too many things you say, it is better than addressing almost nothing.
Checking a box is not the source of racial problems. The entertainment industry is not an example of institutional racism. There is literally no example of psychological warfare against black people. So you tell, me what else?
Of course the entertainment industry is an example of institutionalized racism.
You really think that the only good hip hop out there is about selling crack, promiscuity, or violence? These people are obviously being pushed to the front by people who think this is what being black is about, so they are pushing it onto black people. The kids eat it up, they spread it around, it effects things. Is it done because of money? Of course it is. But who determines whether or not something is played on the radio at all? Who determines what is played on the television? Besides that, some of the best music is played with real instruments by musicians with black skin. You would never know that if your entire experience of so called "black culture" comes from the television, radio, or whatever.
The psychological warfare doesn't just come from that, it comes from within too. The idea that you have to conform to a certain type of culture in order to be considered "black". Do people with white skin have to conform to a certain type of culture in order to be considered "White" by their peers, or do they just not have to "act black"?
Look, it might not seem like that much to you. I get it. However, these little things do have an effect on the mentality of people. Yes, there is pressure. There is pressure because society is still very racist.
You can deny it, but I mean... If you deny it, I don't know how you could ever see it, because it's obvious. You ever listen to these people talk on the news channel? These people are obviously racist. The scary thing is that the ones who go around accusing others of being racist look the most racist. Woah!
Hey, what else do you want? It's all around you.
But that is it. It's mostly psychological. If someone can shake off all of that, you can really make it in America. It is hard if you start out disadvantaged, and it is really easy for those who were raised in one environment to look down at those who are raised in another environment. It is easy to take for granted the things we have been granted by God's grace, and not show charity towards others.
America on the whole might be racist, prejudice, and all that, but for the most part it's an innocent racism or prejudice. I don't think it is intentional. Skin color is not as big of a disadvantage to making it in America as people like to politicize it. It's everything else trying to drag you down. It just so happens that having black skin adds to that psychological and spiritual battle. It does, because there is a lot of baggage that comes with being black.
Culture is changing though, I have hope for the future.
You really think that the only good hip hop out there is about selling crack, promiscuity, or violence?
“Will Smith don’t have to cuss in his raps to sell records” and he went on to be one of the biggest names in Hollywood. One of the top female artists is Beyoncé. Doesn’t she sing about crazy drunk monogamous sex with her husband? Maybe not clean but not so bad. Most R&B;isn’t about criminal activity. You know who listens to the stuff about criminal activity? Inner city kids, including white kids. But Rap isn’t even the bulk of black entertainment.
These people are obviously being pushed to the front by people who think this is what being black is about, so they are pushing it onto black people
You should consider black people to have the same free agency as white people. To think otherwise is racist. Rap isn’t pushed onto black people. Rap is in demand by a number of people.
The kids eat it up, they spread it around, it effects things. Is it done because of money? Of course it is. But who determines whether or not something is played on the radio at all?
The kind of shit Rap kids listen to has never been aloud on the radio.
Besides that, some of the best music is played with real instruments by musicians with black skin
Exactly. And if inner city culture supported it, that music would have a higher demand there.
You would never know that if your entire experience of so called "black culture" comes from the television, radio, or whatever
You might, given most black entertainment has little to do with Rap.
The psychological warfare doesn't just come from that, it comes from within too
I don’t believe any of what you described is being forced on people from the outside, as if black people have no choice in preference, if I did I would be racist. I do believe that there is a strong pull among poor people in general to hold each other down. They sometimes deride efforts at self improvement as thinking you are better than them.
Also, I think referring to “black culture” is a bit basic. As if black people in Seattle have the same culture as black people in New Orleans.
There is pressure because society is still very racist
I don’t think society at large gets the blame for this one. The greatest pressure is peer pressure. Generational poverty is a bitch to overcome, especially when family members think that rising above it makes you a bad person on some level.
because it's obvious
If it is, you have t made that case.
You ever listen to these people talk on the news channel?
No. Not often.
The scary thing is that the ones who go around accusing others of being racist look the most racist. Woah!
I have seen that. You can’t make every issue a race issue without coming across as racist. My point here is that most issues are not race issues. People just think they are.
Hey, what else do you want? It's all around you
If you believe racism is everywhere, then you will ascribe racism to non-racist issues, such as being pulled over. I don’t really believe in innocent racism. But then I don’t apply racism to as many situations as you do.
I come from the perspective of someone who doesn't believe in race, so you have to take that into account.
It's not important to me that you see things the way I do. All I'm really saying is that sincerity of faith and charity is the best medicine for everyone.
That doesn't require banning discrimination, which is tyrannical.
Hey everybody, come look at the imbecilic 12 year old troll who thinks it's edgy to call black people niggers on the internet!!!
The funniest thing about this utter dickhead is that -- astonishingly -- he denies being a racist!! Only in America do they make people who are this stupid. That's a fact.
