But what do you compare humans to? An idea?

I suppose I was actually.

Compared to my ideal of humanity it's true humans suck. Compared to my worst nightmares of what humanity could be, and even compared to what humanity has been in the past, we are actually not so evil as you make it out to sound.

I guess that would depend on the individual’s imagination. Even so, I’ve realized the error in comparing humans to an ideal; I think it would be wise not to compare them to the worse interpretation either like I did. I thank you for pointing this out to me.

Given that and that it is not as if a group of people are wickedly plotting to start wars, hoard wealth, commit tyranny and discrimination, it's not so simple.

Right, that would be a silly notion. They have their influences just like any other person or thing. And considering the arduous task of bringing about an actual peaceful and prosperous society throughout all of humankind, one that would possibly lead us to a type one civilization (based on the Kardashev scale), I would agree that it is not simple.

You'll find the vast, vast majority of even the most evil acts of history were first somehow justified (incorrectly justified, but justified), that even these horrid people committing horrid acts in the majority of instances must first justify it, showing that there is something longing for good even in these few.

Yes, it’s never us that are the ‘bad guys’ it’s always them until hindsight kicks in, but then the deed is done. I hope that our children will have the privilege of living in a society that looks back on the things we did, which were justified in our own eyes, and thinks about how immature and primal we actually were.

Keep in mind as well what a small minority it is who consciously, purposefully do bad things. All things fair, one person to another with no outside influence, societal influences etc, one person will do the right thing by another most of the time.

This is really what stood out to me in your response. You’re absolutely right to point out that it is a small minority who usually purposefully do bad things, and I admit that that didn’t occur to me at first. The problem is often heightened when the masses, like sheep, are easily manipulated and controlled by the few, but it’s no doubt that the small minority are the root of the problem, or rather their influences are.

I think one thing that can be agreed upon is that humans may not be as bad as people think, but they are certainly in need of improvement... or perhaps in need of progression. I don't see us simply randomly shifting into a more peaceful and prosperous species, I see work ahead of us. Considering such a thing can even be a possiblity though, I can honestly say that humans don't suck. I just hope we can progress out of this infnacy before that small minority runs us into extinction.