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Yes, I'm a sinner No, I'm as good as God
Debate Score:14
Arguments:42
Total Votes:14
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 Yes, I'm a sinner (6)
 
 No, I'm as good as God (5)

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Do I deserve to die and burn in Hell forever?

Be honest now, do you really think you are as good as God and have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell?  Do you really believe you are exonerated in death,  and need no atonement for your soul? 

Yes, I'm a sinner

Side Score: 8
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No, I'm as good as God

Side Score: 6
2 points

If what you deserve is hell, then it is not a Just God who keeps you from it.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

Correct. It is a merciful God who keeps you out of Hell now....but how can you expect Him to be merciful to you forever while you insist He does not have the right to rule over you?

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

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Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Disputed
1 point

I know I deserve to die for my sins, and burn in Hell forever being unfit for Heaven. Also, I know you are the same as me.....except that I know that I am forgiven and on my way to Heaven, and your own words tell me that you are on your way to Hell.

Now to the proud, the perverts, and the winos who frequent this site and hate me, why don't you just stay out of this discussion so I don't have to ban you? It's not like I want you to be kicked out of life and left in Hell forever, you simply hate being told that you are not good enough to live and do not have the right to exist outside of Hell.......why in the world don't you just quit reading my posts? I'm not going to change my message or stance and I'm not going to apologize for telling sinners (that's everybody including me) that they need to be saved and that I know how they can be saved from the fire of Hell where they are condemned to fry like eternal sausages if they will not repent of their sin and believe on the bodily resurrected Son of God, God the man, Jesus Christ who will save all who in His name ask God's forgiveness and receive Him by faith as He is, the only Savior, the Living God who will be their Judge if not their Savior.

Side: No, I'm as good as God
1 point

I know I deserve to die for my sins, and burn in Hell forever being unfit for Heaven. Also, I know you are the same as me.....except that I know that I am forgiven and on my way to Heaven, and your own words tell me that you are on your way to Hell.

Now to the proud, the perverts, and the winos who frequent this site and hate me, why don't you just stay out of this discussion so I don't have to ban you? It's not like I want you to be kicked out of life and left in Hell forever, you simply hate being told that you are not good enough to live and do not have the right to exist outside of Hell.......why in the world don't you just quit reading my posts? I'm not going to change my message or stance and I'm not going to apologize for telling sinners (that's everybody including me) that they need to be saved and that I know how they can be saved from the fire of Hell where they are condemned to fry like eternal sausages if they will not repent of their sin and believe on the bodily resurrected Son of God, God the man, Jesus Christ who will save all who in His name ask God's forgiveness and receive Him by faith as He is, the only Savior, the Living God who will be their Judge if not their Savior.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
1 point

You, NowASaint, deserve to die and burn in Hell forever, because you are obsessed with it yet you treat everyone who has any view not 100% in line with your own like they're trash. You learned nothing from how Christ lived his life. All you learned is the Evangelical bull that you can say and do anything at all and be saved just so long as the right handful of scriptures plucked from the Bible are internalized by you. That's a fallacy. There is nothing holy about you.

Now do your usual scummy job of banning me and posting a whole chain of responses I cannot respond to, you know, just like any holy man would do. Because after all, Christ was completely about acting like a saucy b!tch, wasn't he?

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

Why did you come and comment in my debate? You know as well as I that you are only going to act hateful toward me and I am not going to read your posts, I am going to throw you out like rotten garbage, and I am going to be annoyed at the sight of your post in my discussion and tell you that you should not have posted. Go cry to Andy some more.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

Correct, I should be doomed to fry like an eternal sausage in the fire of Hell....but God has provided the way for me to be justified to live forever in Heaven, pardoned of all my guilt, reconciled with Him who I was against in my thoughts, actions, desires and imaginations, forgiven, set free.

I should go to Hell the same as you. You hate me at least as much as you claim that I hate others. You feel hated by me because you love your sin (wine, dirty perverted ways, arrogance, and other things you can name) and I hate your sin. You think sin is your friend and worth more than life so it's all you have and it's taking you to Hell. I'm doing you a favor by telling you the truth so maybe you will wake up and come to your senses before it's too late and you wish you could sleep in Hell; I care about you more than you care about yourself..you don't care if you wake up in Hell, I do care. I don't want that to happen to you and you don't care...and you hate me for telling you the truth about your sin so you might as well have another glass of wine and try to blot out your thoughts of death and God.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

Grenade, I don't know what you are whining about, but trying to prove that I deserve to burn in Hell the same as you won't do you any good when you wake up in the fire. Even if you got your misguided wish for me to fry like an eternal sausage, you would have no pleasure in my pain....odd how much pleasure you have in being a wino monkey on my back while I try to warn you that you are on your way to Hell and I try to tell you how Jesus Christ, God the Savior, can deliver you from your willfully chosen self-destruction.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
0 points

You, Grenade, know you are not welcome here. I understand you don't care where you are going, you made it clear that you believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell, and I really don't want to read your posts; I want you to stay out of my debates. Why is that hard for you? Don't you know when you are not wanted? I know when I am not wanted and I stay away from people I know do not want me around. Cant' you do the same?

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
0 points

I"m not going to read your posts, you know you are not welcome here and you know I"m going to ban you. Take it somewhere else, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Try crying to Andy some more.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
0 points

Do you see me replying to your posts anywhere? Here I am not replying to your post because I do not want you here, you know you are not welcome here. When I am not welcome, I stay away, that is why I don't reply to your posts. I know you don't like me, I know you hate my message, you act like you hate my guts so why would I want to be around you and why would you think I would allow you to come here and converse with me? Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Go cry to Andy some more.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
1 point

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Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

Correct. You are not welcome in my discussions, I want you to stay out.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
2 points

why in the world don't you just quit reading my posts?

They give me a breathtaking insight into the damage religion does to the human mind.

Side: No, I'm as good as God
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

I am unaware of having suffered any damage as the result of trusting in the Savior. I am fully aware of how my life was being destroyed by sin before I repented and trusted Christ the Lord God Almighty and got saved. Can you offer anything reasonable or constructive to explain the cost of faith and the damage you say I have suffered? What have I lost, or what am I missing? How have I been hurt? Please explain.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
Quantumhead(850) Disputed Banned
1 point

I am unaware of having suffered any damage as the result of trusting in the Savior.

People who are mentally ill are very often the last people to find out about it. Your mind has been poisoned. It was not your fault, but it will be your responsibility if and when others suffer as a result.

I am fully aware of how my life was being destroyed by sin before I repented and trusted Christ the Lord God Almighty and got saved.

God didn't make you sin and God didn't save you from sin. You did all of those things yourself. You just claimed in your last sentence that you are unaware of any damage caused by your religion. Now you are aware. You are attributing things you are doing yourself either to God or to God's will. That is the same thing that religious fanatics do when they murder people.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

This is really a side discussion here, I did not intend to get into any useless argument with the frequent atheists here. Most of them have learned that it's no good for them or for me when they attack me because they hate my message. Hopefully you will see that and discuss things reasonably with me or stop responding to my posts.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

Vulgar fools like you are just plain annoying. Why don't you just quit reading my posts, stay out of my discussions, and try to prove that you have the right to exist outside of Hell somewhere else? You prove nothing with me but that you are obsessively hateful.....what else can I do but banish you, the same as God will banish you to get your garbage away from the living and leave it in the fire of Hell where it belongs if you feel you must keep feeding on it and spitting it out in your filth all over the place.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

Do you think you have improved yourself by changing from a cry-baby into somebody who throws temper tantrums?

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

When you first showed up here, it was always "Boo hoo, I'm going to report you for telling me that I deserve to die and burn in Hell the same as everybody else. That challenges my self-esteem, boo hoo, boo hooo, I"m telling on you".

Then suddenly you changed from a cry baby into a totally foul mouth punk, hurling insults in your temper tantrum when you found out that you can't silence me.

You're on your way to Hell, son, dead in your sins with one foot in the grave and the other on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell. You need to realize that you do not have the right to live and you do not have the right to exist outside of Hell.......death will not exonerate you.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
Foxtrot(7) Banned
1 point

Well NowASaint, how long have you had this self-loathing. What way to waste your life with all this low self-esteem. You may consider yourself to be a complete waste of space and I won't argue with you about that, but please don't tell the rest of us that we are as useless as you. We are not! Anyway, what kind of monster do you worship that would torture people for all eternity? A loving god? Yeah right!

Side: No, I'm as good as God
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

You hate God and you expect Him to let you enjoy the company of the living forever? You're on your way to Hell, and "self-esteem" is nothing but pride against God. You can try blaming Him for letting you fry in Hell like an eternal sausage, and you can try to make your point of believing God is not good if He leaves you in Hell.....but you are getting what you deserve so you'll just have to deal with it. Most people here deal with it by becoming increasingly vile, profane, insulting, bitter...dirty, mean and nasty. I think you can go join them now and don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. tootles.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

Why do you talk like a parrot saying the exact same things as so many others here who seem to be cut out of the same cookie cutter? Don't you have a mind to think for yourself?

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

I don't know any children who are afraid of the reality of Hell, but it sure seems like you are afraid. That's good, maybe you will come to your senses and ask God on His terms to save you.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

You're on your way to Hell, son, dead in your sins with one foot in the grave and the other on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

God loves you so much that He gave His only Son to die for you, and you trample His blood under your feet, spit in His face saying what He did for you was nothing......and when you stand before Him on Judgement Day, do you really expect Him to give you a kiss and welcome you?

You are choosing to die for your own sins and face the Judge with the Judge's blood caked under your feet. Accusing Him of not loving you will not affect His wrath against your sins. The One who died for you, and you refused, will be the One who orders you to be cast away from Him forever into the Lake of Fire, which is the second death, where the smoke of their torments will rise forever and the living will not be affected by their unending dying cries.

You're not very bright, you talk like a trained parrot saying the exact same stupid things fools who you admire say...a bunch of broken records you are, mindless and not caring if your sin is taking you into the fire of Hell.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

At least you made your stupid comments on the correct side, claiming for yourself that you think you are as good or better than God.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
0 points

Don't read my posts if you don't like what I am saying because I will always state the truth that we all deserve to die and burn in Hell forever. If God did not want you to be with Him in Heaven, you would have no time here and you would be frying like an eternal sausage in the fire of Hell. You need to be reconciled to God and you will never be with the attitude you have. If you will not concede to God's right to punish your sins however He deems appropriate, even in the fire of Hell forever, you will always be opposed to God and you will find Him opposing you forever in the fire of Hell.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
Foxtrot(7) Banned
1 point

I don't hate your god because I don't hate things I don't believe in. What I do hate is the way religion has twisted people like you into losing empathy with their fellow human beings. You say I need to get right with your god otherwise he will burn me in hell for ever. That sounds more like a threat made by a mafia boss, so when you say god, perhaps you mean godfather. What I also hate is that people like you fill children's heads with this fear crap. To me, that is nothing more than child abuse. I wouldn't be surprised if you also believe the world is only six thousand years old. You need to lighten up a bit because your religious mania has turned you into a very unpleasant self-loathing people hating person!

Side: No, I'm as good as God
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

God is not a thing, He is the One who created all things and you do hate Him. That is why you deny that He is God, you want Him to be dead and gone so that He cannot hold you accountable for the things you have done, said, and imagined in every moment of your time. Guess who is winning the game you are playing, and guess who is losing. Who is running out of time?

I did not read your entire post, as only the first sentence is enough. I glanced at the middle and saw that you use slang profanity and that is enough for me to throw you out the door. Tootles. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

I think you should no longer comment in reply to my posts and I suggest that you stop reading them. There are many people here who I do not read because I know that they hate me. If you can't speak civilly and reasonably with me you cannot expect me to put up with you and not kick you out with my boot print on your behind.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

So far, Amarel and Ex-Con have been decent with me here and they are not banned. I have had many heated back and forths with them, banned them many times in other debates...I think could learn something from them.

You might notice I banned Grenade and scolded him repeatedly for posting here, he knows I will not read his posts, I will ban him, and scold him for posting in my discussions. He's not very bright; that's what daily drinking does to you. My guess is that you are no brighter than Grenade and I'll have to treat you the same way.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

If you did not hate God, you would refer to Him by His name, God. The Creator of all things is not a thing created which you call god. The thing you create in your imagination cannot be the Creator of All Things....

You hate God, so you invent a god in your mind and argue against your own consciously created straw man. The thing you call god indeed is not God. Duh. And you wonder why the Bible says plainly and simply, "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God." Your childish argument is only making a fool o f yourself. Trot on out of here, Fox.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

Fools like you crucified Jesus Christ, and He said I should not be surprised when fools like you want to silence me the same as they tried to silence Him.

Go cry a river and see if it will quench the fire of Hell, if you think you can justify your existence as one who has sinned against God.

I'm doing you a favor warning you of the danger you are in and telling you of how God made the way for you to be saved from it by dying in your place for your sins, and rising from the dead to justify all who believe on Him and receive Him by faith as their Savior to have their sins covered by the blood He shed for them....but you want your own blood for your own sins so it's on your head and you can throw your temper tantrum all the way to Hell if you want to. You're not being very smart and I hope you come to your senses and realize that what I am telling you is true and the only hope you can have is Jesus Christ, God the Savior who died for you and rose to justify you if you will repent and believe on Him...but I doubt that you will...I think you will grow stronger and stronger in your resolve to defy God; thinking death exonerates you and sets you free from yourself...I am correct, no?

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner
1 point

Hello N:

"I" as in YOU?? Yes, you SHOULD go to hell. You're a hateful person.. Where do you think hateful people go?

excon

Side: No, I'm as good as God
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

Correct, I should be doomed to fry like an eternal sausage in the fire of Hell....but God has provided the way for me to be justified to live forever in Heaven, pardoned of all my guilt, reconciled with Him who I was against in my thoughts, actions, desires and imaginations, forgiven, set free.

I should go to Hell the same as you. You hate me at least as much as you claim that I hate others. You feel hated by me because you love your sin and I hate your sin. You think sin is your friend and worth more than life so it's all you have and it's taking you to Hell. I'm doing you a favor by telling you the truth so maybe you will wake up and come to your senses before it's too late and you wish you could sleep in Hell; I care about you more than you care about yourself..you don't care if you wake up in Hell, I do care. I don't want that to happen to you and you don't care...and you hate me for telling you the truth about your sin so you might as well smoke another joint and try to blot out your thoughts of death and God.

Side: Yes, I'm a sinner