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Do Transgender's Have A Mental Disorder?

This is a very controversial topics and some people might hate me for it but it is a debatable topic nonetheless so I would like to see your opinions on the issue.

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I think from a medical perspective on the topic they do have a mental disorder because biologically males cannot become females and vice versa and our bodies operate differently from each other. We think and act different, we possess and release different amounts of hormones, etc. Even with all the hormone therapy and a sex change they are still are miles away in the case of becoming exactly like the opposite sex for example women who try to change cannot release sperm naturally or think like a man, men who attempt to become a women cannot get pregnant, give birth naturally, give a baby milk, or think as a woman would. To further elaborate these people have Gender Identity Disorder which causes the individual to have a 44-54% suicide rate. Kids that possess this naturally get through it without any help 96% of the time. My advise on the issue is let the person resolve it out themselves accept in the case which they can't or if the individual has both reproductive organs. In that case you could just open him/her up to observe which reproductive system they possess and make the decision that way.

Side: Yes
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I think from a medical perspective on the topic they do have a mental disorder because biologically males cannot become females and vice versa and our bodies operate differently from each other

Problem: Transgender refers to gender, you are referring to sex.

To further elaborate these people have Gender Identity Disorder which causes the individual to have a 44-54% suicide rate.

Considering how they are treated, that isn't surprising.

Kids that possess this naturally get through it without any help 96% of the time.

What do you mean by "get through it"?

Side: No
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
2 points

You Progressives have a Gender Identity problem ! All should accept the Progressives Gender Confusion ?

Side: Yes
erin_r(39) Clarified
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I think they mean because 77-96% of young children who think they're transgender end up not being transgender

Side: Yes
2 points

The definition of a mental/psychological disorder is "a behaviour or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning". It is safe to say that feeling as though you are in the wrong body is significantly distressing.

Being transgender causes distress and is something that is psychologically abnormal (less than 1% of people), so it can be defined as a mental disorder.

Another reason is that there is a strong case to be made that it is linked to body dysmorphia (where someone goes to exceptional measures thinking that a part of their body is flawed) and severe depression. There isn't lots of data around the subject, as transgenderism is a fairly new phenomenon, but most sources say that there are exceptionally high rates of suicide among transgenders (some studies say up to 50%), and, although the rates drop for a year or two after surgery, they go right back up a few years later. At the end of the day, pretending there is nothing abnormal about being transgender is harmful both to actual transgender people, and society in general.

Having said this, transgender people should still be treated with respect and dignity, the same way someone with anorexia or depression should be treated with respect. The fact that someone is suffering from a mental disorder does not change the fact that they are human and should be treated with basic levels of respect.

Side: Yes
Goldtop(166) Clarified
1 point

Being transgender causes distress

More correctly, the distress is often from others who have yet to understand the world around them.

there are exceptionally high rates of suicide among transgenders

Again, this is often caused by other people who have yet to turn their brains on.

Having said this, transgender people should still be treated with respect and dignity, the same way someone with anorexia or depression should be treated with respect.

And, those who say such things deserve no respect whatsoever, especially considering Transgenderism has been declassified as a mental disorder by the World Health Organization last year.

Side: Yes
Amarel(4987) Clarified
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More correctly, the distress is often from others who have yet to understand the world around them.

It’s most often due to a chemical imbalance resulting from unnaturally high levels of behavior altering sex hormones that are consumed for the sake of transition. The disproportionate rates of suicide and depression among transgender individuals persist regardless of the cultural acceptance of their surroundings, such as in San Francisco.

those who say such things deserve no respect whatsoever, especially considering Transgenderism has been declassified as a mental disorder by the World Health Organization last year.

To say those who call for the respect of everyone’s humanity are undeserving of respect is a statement which deserves no respect.

The claim that significant, disproportionately high rates of depression and suicide among transgender people is primarily environmental is a hypothesis which is not well supported. It is primarily an emotional wish of those who want reality to be other than it is. In ignoring these realities, you are ignoring the causes of serious suffering among those you proportion to support. In which case you are more vicious toward transgender people than your opponents.

Side: Yes
erin_r(39) Disputed
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the distress is often from others who have yet to understand the world around them.

If I was unclear, the distress I was referencing was the distress caused by the belief that you are in the wrong body and are uncomfortable being the gender you are. It is similar to the type of distress someone with body dysmorphia might experience - it's the distress of feeling like something's wrong.

this is often caused by other people who have yet to turn their brains on

There are high rates of suicide among transgenders both before and after hormone treatment/surgeries. If what you're saying is true - that transgenders become suicidal solely based on other's reactions towards them - then it wouldn't make sense for suicide rates to drop immediately after surgery (a point where they may not pass as cisgendered), and then increase again a few years later, when they would most likely not be recognised as trans.

In San Francisco there is a 50% attempted suicide rate among young transgender people. In England, 48% have attempted suicide. In Australia, Japan and India there are similar statistics. Are we to say that in each of these places, transgenders are treated with the exact same amount of disrespect? Are we going to say that transgenders in San Francisco are treated the same as transgenders in India?

There are many reasons people could be transgender - we aren't 100% sure. Some transgender people have the opposite gender's makeup of white matter, which is why I would say transgenders should be allowed surgery as it could be beneficial, and I believe that is a choice an adult can make for themselves.

However, some have problems in the areas of the brain associated with body dysmorphia and severe depression. In these cases, the person transitions, believing that will solve their problem, but they still have to deal with the fact that they are biologically a different gender. This then of course makes it clear that they do have a mental illness that, unfortunately, we don't have a way of eliminating.

The links between being transgender and having severe depression become quite clear when you look at the statistics. 6.7% of the general US population have severe depression, compared to an estimated 26% of the transgender community.

If this isn't enough to convince you that not being accepted isn't the only reason transgenders are prone to suicides, a study in India concluded that only around 15% of their suicides could have been directly caused by their family's refusal to accept them, which still leaves the suicide rates significantly higher than normal.

Maybe I haven't made it clear, but I do believe that for a large amount of transgender people, surgery and hormones could be the best option, and they have a right to pursue this treatment - however we can't deny the fact that there are underlying mental problems that cause this and, for some transgenders, they still feel the effects of these even after surgery. Transgenders should be treated as humans, and I am incredibly sympathetic to anyone suffering. But to deny the fact that there are mental issues is an insult to people who have gender dysphoria.

Transgenderism has been declassified as a mental disorder by the World Health Organization last year.

Have we not considered the reasons this could've been changed? It has become more common to accept being transgender as something trivial, like sexuality, so it is understandable that they would declassify it in the wake of the transgender pride movement.

But if that can be a reason to believe there is nothing abnormal about being transgender, then the fact that the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders lists gender dysphoria could be a reason to disagree.

Side: Yes
1 point

It depends on what you mean by "transgender":

1. Cross-dressing men who think that they are women and want others to call them women, are insane.

2. People who willingly mutilate their bodies to a significant degree, are insane.

3. Gender non-conforming adults are not insane just by virtue of their non-conformity. Refusing to adhere to gender stereotypes can sometimes be a very sane thing to do, precisely because some of these stereotypes are insane.

Side: Yes
1 point

To start with, I want to draw a distinction between transgender and transsexual. Transsexual involves surgery, artificially set hormone levels, etc., whereas transgender merely entails choice of hairstyle, wardrobe, and pronouns, etc..

By the same token, I want to distinguish between mental illness and a mental disorder. The distinction is primarily one of degree, particularly with respect to how damaging it is to the individual.

Illness comprises an intrinsically damaging condition that has detrimental physical consequences, whereas disorder is merely unhealthy to the degree that it creates psychological or social discomfort, but does not impede basic physical and social functions.

Absolutely transsexuals are mentally ill in the same way as people who feel driven to have healthy limbs amputated, and people who want to undergo elective plastic surgery to realize some unrealistic body image (eg., look like a Barbie Doll.) They are denying their biology to the degree that they damage themselves in order to try the impossible task of changing their sex.

Transgenders, by contrast are not seeking to deny or change the physical reality of their sex, but rather the social role encompassed by gender. There is a wide range in these folks between the most and least unhealthy behaviors. Those who insist they were "born into the wrong body" are engaging in a delusion similar to that of middle-aged men who think they can still do the same physical feats they did in their teens. (Certainly the delusion of such middle-aged men are more likely to result in physical damage than are the delusions of transgenders.)

Face it, we ALL engage in self-delusion, about how attractive, intelligent, competent, likeable, etc. we are. We tend to see the world as we want it to be, not as it is. This is DEFINITELY a mental disorder.

However, so long as our delusions do not negatively impact anyone else, or create an involuntary obligation on anyone's part, they are nobody else's business.

Side: Yes
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I think from a medical perspective on the topic they do have a mental disorder because biologically males cannot become females and vice versa...

But your argument here is flawed.

Why?

Simple. Not ALL TG folks WANT to have the operations or procedures to switch their actual sexes. And not all of them really believe they are of the opposite sex than what is stated on their birth certificates.

Some TG's--in fact, probably MOST--simply feel more comfortable and happy living the lifestyle of a person of the opposing gender, or sex.

So....this is nothing more than a matter of preference. Of choice. Which of course does not mean they are suffering from a clinical mental disorder.

Its only choice, bro. What if you loved the old West and the Cowboy thing and felt you were born in the wrong century? SO you dress up in cowboy garb and alter your speech syntax to sound like an ol' cowboy dude, and you ride a horse when you can and you like to watch Westerns.

Are you mentally ill?

No.

Same deal with the TG, Luigi!

LOL

Hope this helps.

SS

Side: No
FromWithin(7736) Disputed
1 point

You are totally wrong about this issue simply being someone's fetish, and the freedom to act on it.

This is big time Left wing politics trying to force every State or person to accept the alphabet of LGBTQ............... unnatural sexual orientations as being normal and natural.

They are trying to push this nonsense into our public schools, trying to indoctrinate our children that these things are natural alternatives to what the science of biology has always taught us about our bodies and their design.

If you think this is simply about allowing people the freedom of living out their fetishes, you are truly brainwashed by fake news.

There is not a political speech delivered by Democrats these days that doesn't lift up the plight of these activist LGBT groups. IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY AND VOTES!

Side: Yes