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Yes Definatley No Of Course Not
Debate Score:207
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Do We Really Need Meat?

Ok So Do we really need meat to be satisfied? Or can we be fully satisfied on just vegtables?

Yes Definatley

Side Score: 92
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No Of Course Not

Side Score: 115
2 points

Yes that's obvious but the question is; What's worse, too much meat or no meat at all? Most people have too much meat in their diet.

| Side: Yes Definatley
Kinda(1640) Disputed
2 points

The question is do we NEED meat. Not LIKE, WANT or CAN consume meat.

But the second question asks if we can be satisfied on meat. Again, we CAN like all those veggies out there.

| Side: no of course not
handsdown(132) Disputed
1 point

Way to say the same thing twice. I don't think it was necessary for the first one though.

| Side: Yes Definatley
handsdown(132) Disputed
1 point

And if you didn't notice, he DID answer the question in his first sentence.

| Side: Yes Definatley

Try and take my steak, chicken and pork away from me Try it; just try it. ;)

| Side: Yes Definatley
Kinda(1640) Disputed
1 point

The question is do we NEED meat. Not LIKE, WANT or CAN consume meat.

But the second question asks if we can be satisfied on meat. Again, we CAN like all those veggies out there.

| Side: no of course not

For those who can be satisfied on just vegetables, have at it. I'll take the small amount of meat I do eat and savor it.

| Side: Yes Definatley
Kinda(1640) Disputed
2 points

The question is do we NEED meat. Not LIKE, WANT or CAN consume meat.

But the second question asks if we can be satisfied on meat. Again, we CAN like all those veggies out there.

| Side: no of course not
2 points

Meat has certain Vitamins In it that help us in everyday life,... and it is amazing!!!

| Side: Yes Definatley
0 points

yes meet is important to grow and become fat and keep your self active

| Side: Yes Definatley
2 points

ok 2 good reason why yes, we do need meat:

1) its got vitamins and other stuff in it that our bodies need, such as iron.

2) it tastes SO DAMN GOOD!!!!

:]

| Side: Yes Definatley
GiaoTran(3) Disputed
2 points

Your 2nd reason was based on wants, not needs. The question asks do we really NEED meat, but you provide an answer that justifies your want of meat, and therefore not really supporting your argument.

| Side: no of course not
0 points

Agreed, you can cook it in so many ways and it tastes so great every time!

| Side: Yes Definatley
2 points

Do you think that the first humans who were hunter gatherers could have received the necessary protein they needed to live by just eating vegetables? It wasn't until the introduction of agriculture and science that people said, "I don't need meat, because this plant that is non-native to my area provides enough protein." Also, for all those people who buy these soy burgers that cost twice as much as a regular beef burger because they taste "just like meat", if you want to eat something that tastes like meat, eat meat.

Edit: Humans evolved as omnivores because we could not get all our nutrients from one source such as plants or animals.

| Side: Yes Definatley
Kinda(1640) Disputed
2 points

The first humans huh? You're talking 10,000 years ago. This is NOW. Unless you see humans living as hunter gatherers... this argument has no weight in whether or not we need to eat meat to survive.

Humans evolved as omnivores because we could not get all our nutrients from one source such as plants or animals.

No, humans evolved as omnivores as it leads to a higher chance of survival with a wider range of edibe possibilities. If you want to use 'evolution' as an argument explain to me how comes we can't digest meat? (unless ofcourse we can and i've got it wrong...... hmmm...?)

| Side: no of course not
2 points

How can vegetables build great iron in our bodies if we eat them all the time!!!

How can ONLY vegetables be satisfying for dinner???

We need meat in our bodies!!!

| Side: Yes Definatley
Elvira(3287) Disputed
1 point

Iron is in marmite :)

And meat makes me feel sick.

| Side: No Of Course Not
1 point

i tell you one thing you cannot simply say that do we really need meat

the people living in and around soudi arabia have no natural vegetation so they can grow plants, so it is a must that for food they must depend on meat

whereas other places there is a lot of vegetation to fill our bellies, so we didnt ever noticed that we can eat animals too

but due to globalisation we are under international interactions so we discuss all such useless issues to a serious extent

the people who need it will take it, they arent imposing on anybody that im non-veg so you also be a non-veg, whereas the veg does

at last the one who needs it has to take it

| Side: Yes Definatley
Kinda(1640) Disputed
2 points

How the hell does that make sense??

These Arabians you're mentioning.. if they can't grow vegetation then how can the raise livestock??

Nobody NEEDS to eat meat. We can all live perfectly healthily without ANY meat.

| Side: no of course not
handsdown(132) Disputed
1 point

Repeating your argument over and over doesn't make it right. 1: you didn't make this debate. 2: That's a stupid of a technique as saying: MY ARGUMENT IS LOUDER, YOURS IS INVALID!!!!!!!!

| Side: Yes Definatley
handsdown(132) Disputed
1 point

Hmmm what about those that are starving? I think they would take just about any food, same with the malnutritioned people mentioned earlier. Those people NEED meet, and if you check this prompt, that answers it well since the world VARIES

| Side: Yes Definatley
industrious(4) Disputed
1 point

The reason why there is desert landscapes in the world is because there are no ruminants spreading their dung. Dung enriches landscapes and can convert a desert into a grassland.

Free the animals before we turn the whole planet into a desert.

| Side: No Of Course Not
1 point

How many vegetarians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

I don't know, but where do you get your protein!?

How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?

Two, one to change it and one to check for animal ingredients.

And my personal favorite:

How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?

None, vegans can't change anything.

| Side: Yes Definatley
Kinda(1640) Disputed
1 point

Great joke.

How comes first it takes 2 vegans to change a lightbulb.. but then it takes none??

I think we've got a bullsh*tter in here.

| Side: no of course not
Cuaroc(5359) Disputed
1 point

Because they are different jokes genius

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

The animals are designed to be eaten. I really don't see why we shouldn't eat meat.

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

Yes, we need meat. It gives up nutrients that our body needs.

| Side: Yes Definatley
mitgag(1655) Disputed
1 point

so do other veegtables that we eat

and other vegetables give us more nutrients than meat products

| Side: no of course not
1 point

If by meat you mean also animal byproducts like egg and milk, then you are mentally messed up. Of course we need animal products, just look at the vegans and you will see how sick they look with no muscles.

-=eats raw steak-= harharhar!

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

This doesnt' mean that II am just saying a quote i have seen a whole lot of times.

Life isn't fair. Get used to it.

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

http://www.powerofmeat.com/

crack me up , i just read an arguement from an anti-meat-eater

on yahoo

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090112190123AAwxKYE

who was making good points on comparing vitamins in meat to veges. She fucked it up when she finished off by saying " B12 can be gotten from eggs "

OH , SO ITS OK TO EAT CHICKEN FETUSES BUT NOT MEAT ?.

SOME OF THESE ANTI-MEAT-EATERS , ARE OBVIOUSLY IN NEED OF SOME BRAIN FOOD!

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

Most of the arguments on this page have tremendous holes in them. The one I feel like poking at the moment is, "no, we don't need meat, we just want it."

This is a natural fallacy. There is a reason we want it, there is a reason it tastes good. Can you say other-wise?

My retort to this argument would be: Well, if necessity is going to be judged by desire, than tell me why we desire harmful substances such as alcohol?

The answer is this: Harmful substances that induce pleasure mimic substances that are beneficial, and your Nucleus Accumbens, a structure right above the amygdala, says, 'more, more!' Now, the critical point of this argument is whether meat is simply mimicking something else we need or if it is the genuine substance our body is craving.

I lean towards the later, after all, there is an entire section of out tongue devoted to it! (Umami)

So, I think it is quite foolish to say we are not physiologically adapted to eat meat, because we are... Our canines are designed specifically for tearing flesh. However, one could argue for instance, that A: The ability to eat meat was evolved to prevent starvation, or B: Meat provided an advantage to the young and adolescent in muscle growth (or something to that effect), but caused problems later on (which would not be a problem because of a shorter life span). I have been wanting to write a research paper on this, I'm really curious what kind of research has been done.

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

No - simply put humans can't survive as a species over time without meat. It is a critical source for our species in both brain and muscular development. There has already been 2 studies on tribes in Africa (low intelligence and muscular deformity) and in labs on rodents showing fetal retardation and severe muscular deformities and etc in generations. Can x survive without meat? Surely so. They've already benefited from meat consumption in early life or via their mother ... However if this went on generations = fetal retardation and etc would follow. Not to mention the devastation that would follow in the path in loss of habitation for numerous animals from displacement, insects and so ... all crucial to the chain of life. Humans are so narcissistic that they truly believe themselves - over millions of years of evolution ... know better than nature itself of what makes a species survive.

This is why I tune silly vegans out.

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

Unless someone can come up with a cogent example of how this world - and its many species would survive?

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

vegans can get their b12 (without artificial modern supplementation) without meat if they are willing to eat their poop, which tastes and smells better without processed and animal products in the diet. but who wants to do that? eat meat! (eating poop probably not vegan, since it is produced by an animal!)

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

From my point of view it is very important to eat meat every in order to be healthy because if we don't use meat, there might be lack of vitamins in our organism that can lead to many diseases.

| Side: Yes Definatley
0 points

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Supporting Evidence: definitive guide to grok (www.marksdailyapple.com)
| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

TO THAT FUGLY GREEN KINDA , EVERY TIME YOU DOWN POINT ME ,OUT OF BIAS I WILL POST ANOTHER POST TO PUT MY POINT BACK! IT IS OBVIOUSLY OUT OF BIAS AS YOU DONT BOMB OTHERS FOR LESSOR POSTS SO

PFT TO YOU KINDA THE INCREDIBLE SULK!

| Side: Yes Definatley
Kinda(1640) Disputed
0 points

Ohh hey idiot.

I downvoted again because it was a ridiculous argument. Especially since it's a fictional character set in the hunter-gatherer age. Maybe if the question was DID we really need meat - your link might've been helpful but the question is DO we need meat.

So again prove me wrong for once in your shitty life and maybe I won't downvote you if you have a reasonable argument.

| Side: no of course not
-1 points

Meat is probably one of the best sources of protein and iron you can get. Of course you can get iron from other exotic foods yes, but meat is irreplaceable. Our bodies NEED amino acids from proteins in order for our cells and other body parts to function properly. Go ahead. Stop eating meat and see what happens.

| Side: Yes Definatley
MKIced(2308) Disputed
1 point

I love meat. I eat beef, chicken, fish, turkey, etc nearly every day. But in all honesty, our bodies are not dependent on eating meat. Like today: I had a burger and a turkey sandwich for lunch, but I didn't get a chance to go down to dinner. So I grabbed some cashews from my desk because they are rich in protein, just like meat. We can also eat soy based foods and other vegetables with protein, like rice.

So, do we really need meat? No. But would I ever give it up? Not unless it's a Friday during Lent! ;)

| Side: no of course not
Alllrightttt(4) Disputed
2 points

I understand how you are saying that now, humans have other options for protein than meat, but lets think back to ummmm... 8000 BC. The early tribesmen didn't know about protein and soy, they knew that as long as they ate meat and vegetables and fruits and dairy, that they would survive.

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

I do support your opinion because especially meat is need for our organism every day

| Side: No Of Course Not
Krono013 Disputed
1 point

I saw and see what happens every day when I don't eat meat. I've been in 7 bike tours, ridden over 100 miles in a day, hiked 10 miles with 8,000ft elevation gain within 7 hours, twice. Went to the gym several years ago & averaged over 1.5lbs of muscle gain every week, increasing the weight by 1/4lb or more on most exercises -every time- I went to the gym. Most American meat eaters eat about 3-5 times more meat than their body can assimilate the protein from. Protein is amino acids. There are plenty of plants with sufficient levels of amino acids. Want -complete- protein? Eat quinoa. Or a bowl of beans or lentils & rice. Need Iron? Eat spinach. It's loaded with Iron. Oats, raisins, blackstrap molasses, edamame, pumpkin seeds, lentils and various other legumes are also all excellent sources of iron. There are also plenty of vegetable sources for necessary amounts of calcium, as with -all- essential nutrients. Also, anyone who thinks it is "manly" to eat meat should probably be living in a cave. They might feel more at home.

| Side: No Of Course Not
Kinda(1640) Disputed
-1 points

Go ahead. Stop eating meat and see what happens.

You become a vegeterian. Duh. They tend to live longer, healthier and with less health issues than meat eaters.

| Side: no of course not
handsdown(132) Disputed
2 points

Coming from a vegetarian? A vital vitamin that is necessary to the human body that is deprived when one becomes a vegetarian is Vitamin B12, and that is necessary for a healthy immune system! Better watch that connection to the brain bud.

Supporting Evidence: Cons of a Vegetarian Diet (www.essortment.com)
| Side: Yes Definatley
handsdown(132) Disputed
2 points

And plus, where else will you get those vital amino acids that cause our bodies to build muscle? Show me one vegetarian who happens to be muscular. You can't.

| Side: Yes Definatley
8 points

We have the biological capability to eat meat. We also have the biological capability to eat animal byproducts (milk, eggs) and the capability to eat vegetables and fruit. Therefore, we don't need to eat meat to survive. I think it's beneficial in a diet if you want a lot of protein, which can also be found in nuts, tofu, and a few other foods. But meat isn't a necessity.

| Side: no of course not
6 points

The main reason why many people oppose giving up meat is because it will be an inconvenience to them to base their diet only on autotrophs and because they will miss the taste of meat. Then, as they realize that this argument doesn't provide enough support to their argument, they continue to say that meat provides nutrients to the body.

So, do we really need meat? NO.

Meat provides no proteins, vitamins, or minerals that vegetables cannot provide. (There are many people who say that meat provides iron... beans and leafy greens can be a great source of iron.) And no, vegetarians do not suffer from iron deficiency.

There are many cons to eating meat...

Africa, one of the poorest countries in the world and one the countries that need the most food for its starving citizens, exports grain to feed livestock in other richer countries. (Ahem, America.)

More people can be fed on a vegetarian diet. Every consumer absorbs 10% of the energy of the food it consumes. For example, a cow eats grass and absorbs 10% of the energy from the grass. A person eats the cow and absorbs 10% of the energy the cow got from the grass. Eating lower on the food chain means that more energy is absorbed, and more people can be fed.

Much of the meat that people eat really isn't the meaty part of the animal? For example, McDonalds and Taco Bell uses grade F meat, while most dog food brands use grade D meat. What exactly is used for grade F meat? Ground up bones, ears, cartilage,.... Have you ever eaten a McDonald's burger and accidently bit on something hard and white? That's the bone that apparently wasn't ground up very well.

| Side: no of course not
2 points

I haven't had McDonald's as a legitimate meal in several years. The only things I ever get there are "snacks" meaning coffee, an occasional hash brown, or a McFlurry after a night of partying. :) lol. McDonald's is gross....

And I haven't had Taco Bell ever! haha. It smells in there.

| Side: no of course not
1 point

Ummmm. Why the hell would this be downvoted? I gave FACT, not crappy opinion. :(

| Side: no of course not
4 points

If you think questioning people's religion makes them crazy, try questioning their meat :)

| Side: no of course not
penetratedlo(4) Disputed
1 point

Because you can consume something does not negate the need for the other. As a species we can't survive without meat - it is the primary source of development both neurologically and muscular. This has already been show in rats and in tribes in Africa. We are omnivores.

| Side: Yes Definatley
4 points

There are other foods that can provide the vitamins and minerals that mean provides, we do not physically need meat.

| Side: no of course not
3 points

No of course not. But like hell I'm going to give it up. I like food that tastes good. Not that I don't like vegetables, but I have needs that broccoli and cabbage just can't satisfy. Plus I'm a heartless bastard. Speaking of hearts...

| Side: no of course not
3 points

Do we need meat to survive? No.

Do we need meat to be satisfied? That depends.

I'm a vegetarian and I'm perfectly fine with not eating meat. It makes it difficult to go out to eat or overseas travel but i'm not worse off and I think it's a better lifestyle.

What we do need is protein but that and other elements can be gained from other non-meat foods and thus meat is not necessary for humans.

| Side: no of course not

I've been vegan since I was 14 years old, and it's one of the best decisions I've ever made. Yes, I'm satisfied without meat, poultry, fish, dairy, eggs, or any other animal by-products.

| Side: no of course not
3 points

The main reason why many people oppose giving up meat is because it will be an inconvenience to them to base their diet only on autotrophs and because they will miss the taste of meat. Then, as they realize that this argument doesn't provide enough support to their argument, they continue to say that meat provides nutrients to the body.

So, do we really need meat? NO.

Meat provides no proteins, vitamins, or minerals that vegetables cannot provide. (There are many people who say that meat provides iron... beans and leafy greens can be a great source of iron.) And no, vegetarians do not suffer from iron deficiency.

There are many cons to eating meat...

Africa, one of the poorest countries in the world and one the countries that need the most food for its starving citizens, exports grain to feed livestock in other richer countries. (Ahem, America.)

More people can be fed on a vegetarian diet. Every consumer absorbs 10% of the energy of the food it consumes. For example, a cow eats grass and absorbs 10% of the energy from the grass. A person eats the cow and absorbs 10% of the energy the cow got from the grass. Eating lower on the food chain means that more energy is absorbed, and more people can be fed.

Much of the meat that people eat really isn't the meaty part of the animal? For example, McDonalds and Taco Bell uses grade F meat, while most dog food brands use grade D meat. What exactly is used for grade F meat? Ground up bones, ears, cartilage,.... Have you ever eaten a McDonald's burger and accidently bit on something hard and white? That's the bone that apparently wasn't ground up very well.

| Side: no of course not
zephyr20x6(2376) Disputed
0 points

I downvoted you for posting the same argument twice and simply repeating yourself, you do not deserve two points for the exact same words you put down. and I'll downvote myself for not even making an argument :p

| Side: no of course not
2 points

It is a evolution fact, that human survived on compelet vegetarian diet. Are appendix soul purpose was for us to digest tree leafs and bark. Humans do not need meat to live, meat has always been a choice and always will. Becuase of humans now intakeing alot of meat, the amount of heath problems, like hemochromatosis, birth deffects and salmonella. are becomeing a hazard. Alot people think their above animals, considering themselves a non animal, manily because of religion. What people have to accept that humans are animals, but what spearates us is only differences. We would find it abomination if people eat other people. But were animals and some animals need to eat other animals to surive that they nature is and it will always be. But in humans case we have put more than a hundered speices of animal indanger of being exstinct. Nautres food chain is meant to keep every speices alive. If there is to many preditors, the lack of food cause starvation and the population decrases while in return the lower on the food chain get re-populated. And when they get to over populated there is more food for higher rakes in food chain so there popultion increase. This is a perfect system of life, but snice humans have use tools and technology we have thrown the system out of wack and, as long as the human population grows the geater the numbers of other animals will decrase intell theres nothing left. It goes same with trees, if humans keep exspanding there will be no green left. Meat is murder people face the turth. And what happens in slaughter houses is unacceptable. If we humans wish to die a peacful death so do animals. Its a proven fact that wild animals will kill the animal the fastest way possible to the best of there ability. We human can make animals die a pecaeful death, but we shouldnt be killing in the first place. We don't need meat to survive, its a choice, a choice of murder, a choice ignorance, a choice stupidity, a choice of hatetred.

| Side: no of course not
2 points

Its an option not a necessity, how do you think vegans live? You can get protein from other sources.

| Side: no of course not
1 point

I'm vegeterian and I'm alive. Physically I'm in better shape/condition than the average person my age.

So we don't NEED meat.

| Side: no of course not
handsdown(132) Disputed
1 point

Haha 'specially if other people your age are gone. SHAPE refers to the exercise you get and also the PROTEIN coming in.

| Side: Yes Definatley
fire(39) Disputed
1 point

shape has to do with resistance, and the ability to go the extra mile. But health has to do with excersise and eating the right things.

| Side: no of course not
Kinda(1640) Disputed
0 points

You're talking sh*t again. Shape doesn't just mean exercise. You wouldn't know anyway.

| Side: no of course not
1 point

I'm 40 years old & vegetarian. Most people guess my age at 30.

| Side: No Of Course Not
1 point

No you dont, but i will gladly continue eating animals. It's too much of a hastle trying to substitute for meat when you have the real thing ready and available.

| Side: no of course not
1 point

well, even though i eat meat every once in a while, i have to agree that we do not have to kill cows and pigs and octupus's (do octupus's count as meat? im not really sure.)and then cook them just to eat for good flavor. think about it. what if you were a pig that was just about to be sliced up and cooked? wouldn't you have kicked and squealed just to live as the butcher was lifting his knife? that's exactly what a pig or cow or octupus(again, im not sure.) would feel like.same with us. So whenever you see a herd of pigs or cows or octupus's,(again, im not sure.) say thanks for the meat.

| Side: no of course not
1 point

Lets look at the facts.

meat causes a lot of different diseases.

humans are physically capable of living with out meat.

meat is high in fat

the good things in meat can be found in other foods.

*eating meat = dead animals

overall, we don't NEED meat, we just WANT it.

| Side: no of course not
1 point

do not eat meet it's not good for health and not good for body

| Side: no of course not
emmabidd Disputed
1 point

learn to spell before you start telling other people what to do.

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

no we don't really need meat we can live on vegies though even I ocassionally eat meat (chicken) I really like chilly chicken though living on meat is not something that i planned

| Side: no of course not
1 point

Meat is a product which people had eaten before. If we go back to history we will see that the main reason why people were strong was eating meat because meat is a really product which give a power. On the other hand we live in a 21st century, why we invent new technology if we can not stop eating meat and stop this cruеlty which exist now. People have to think about why we develop space technology if we can not solve one simple problem with this such kind of action.

| Side: no of course not
1 point

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| Side: No Of Course Not
1 point

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| Side: No Of Course Not
1 point

We need vitamins, minerals, carbs and protein to live. How we go about getting these and which foods we choose to eat to get them, is up to us. With that being said, no ...we do not need meat, we need the correct balance of nutrients.

| Side: No Of Course Not
1 point

I have not had meat in my mouth since I was 4. Maybe I am only 14 but Im alive, I never had any health problems in my life. People are not designed to eat meat. Everybody I know eats meat and have many different health problems.I have developed so I can no longer digest meat. You can get all your nutrition from plants or diet supplements. Many people I know eat meat because they think animals have no feelings yet they weight more than me. Everybody say that meat is healthy, they are WRONG. It has been confirmed that an average vegetarian lives 6-10 years longer than a meat eater. So it is wrong to eat meat.

| Side: No Of Course Not
-1 points

Vegetables do not hold the proper proteins to sustain us fully. We need meat in small amounts to live a full life

| Side: no of course not
Mahollinder(897) Disputed
4 points

Vegetables do not hold the proper proteins to sustain us fully. We need meat in small amounts to live a full life

This is something of a common misconception. Vegetables do provide all the nutrients we need to live, and live a full life. Vegetarians only have to eat a wider variety of food to get the nutrients.

A small resource: http://www.mypyramid.gov/tips_resources/ vegetarian_diets.html

| Side: Yes Definatley
3 points

That taught me a lot. If you are vegetarian, then you must eat a much wider variety of foods, and if you think you can play all that extra to go that mile, go ahead.

| Side: Yes Definatley
1 point

touchee. That was a very informative site. I consider eggs to technically come from meat but besides the point. i concede.

| Side: Yes Definatley
dacey(1043) Disputed
0 points
Supporting Evidence: why we need to eat meat (fitnessblackbook.com)
| Side: Yes Definatley
-1 points

no we don't need meet

it's not good for health and you will gain weight and die soon

| Side: no of course not
emmabidd Disputed
1 point

Do I need to point out that millions of humans have lived long happy lives eating meat? this is a pointless argument! Just as many vegetarians die every year from malnutrition as meat eaters do from weight gain or disease.

| Side: Yes Definatley
Krono013 Disputed
1 point

Cows do not "create" any necessary nutrients. Not a single one. This is 100% fact. Cows get their nutrients from vegetable sources (plant matter), misinformed people eat cows and absorb second-hand nutrients. Along with prostate cancer, etc...

| Side: No Of Course Not
penetratedlo(4) Disputed
1 point

Pathetic. It's not so much the meat that makes you gain as it is the potatoes you eat with the steak. Vegans can be fat - I've seen them fat from eating tons of starchy food.

| Side: Yes Definatley
industrious(4) Disputed
1 point

You mean the intake of lots of oils. Carbs don't make people fat unless its HFCS.

| Side: No Of Course Not


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