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Your 2nd reason was based on wants, not needs. The question asks do we really NEED meat, but you provide an answer that justifies your want of meat, and therefore not really supporting your argument.
Do you think that the first humans who were hunter gatherers could have received the necessary protein they needed to live by just eating vegetables? It wasn't until the introduction of agriculture and science that people said, "I don't need meat, because this plant that is non-native to my area provides enough protein." Also, for all those people who buy these soy burgers that cost twice as much as a regular beef burger because they taste "just like meat", if you want to eat something that tastes like meat, eat meat.
Edit: Humans evolved as omnivores because we could not get all our nutrients from one source such as plants or animals.
The first humans huh? You're talking 10,000 years ago. This is NOW. Unless you see humans living as hunter gatherers... this argument has no weight in whether or not we need to eat meat to survive.
Humans evolved as omnivores because we could not get all our nutrients from one source such as plants or animals.
No, humans evolved as omnivores as it leads to a higher chance of survival with a wider range of edibe possibilities. If you want to use 'evolution' as an argument explain to me how comes we can't digest meat? (unless ofcourse we can and i've got it wrong...... hmmm...?)
i tell you one thing you cannot simply say that do we really need meat
the people living in and around soudi arabia have no natural vegetation so they can grow plants, so it is a must that for food they must depend on meat
whereas other places there is a lot of vegetation to fill our bellies, so we didnt ever noticed that we can eat animals too
but due to globalisation we are under international interactions so we discuss all such useless issues to a serious extent
the people who need it will take it, they arent imposing on anybody that im non-veg so you also be a non-veg, whereas the veg does
Repeating your argument over and over doesn't make it right. 1: you didn't make this debate. 2: That's a stupid of a technique as saying: MY ARGUMENT IS LOUDER, YOURS IS INVALID!!!!!!!!
Hmmm what about those that are starving? I think they would take just about any food, same with the malnutritioned people mentioned earlier. Those people NEED meet, and if you check this prompt, that answers it well since the world VARIES
I think they would take just about any food, same with the malnutritioned people mentioned earlier.
What malnutritioned people mentioned earlier? But yes, starving people will take just about any food.
Those people NEED meet
NO!!! Scientifically, factually, theoretically and every '-ally' incorrect. What they NEED is FOOD. This FOOD can be in the form of meat, but it doesn't NEED to be and it CAN also be vegetarian.
The reason why there is desert landscapes in the world is because there are no ruminants spreading their dung. Dung enriches landscapes and can convert a desert into a grassland.
Free the animals before we turn the whole planet into a desert.
If by meat you mean also animal byproducts like egg and milk, then you are mentally messed up. Of course we need animal products, just look at the vegans and you will see how sick they look with no muscles.
Most of the arguments on this page have tremendous holes in them. The one I feel like poking at the moment is, "no, we don't need meat, we just want it."
This is a natural fallacy. There is a reason we want it, there is a reason it tastes good. Can you say other-wise?
My retort to this argument would be: Well, if necessity is going to be judged by desire, than tell me why we desire harmful substances such as alcohol?
The answer is this: Harmful substances that induce pleasure mimic substances that are beneficial, and your Nucleus Accumbens, a structure right above the amygdala, says, 'more, more!' Now, the critical point of this argument is whether meat is simply mimicking something else we need or if it is the genuine substance our body is craving.
I lean towards the later, after all, there is an entire section of out tongue devoted to it! (Umami)
So, I think it is quite foolish to say we are not physiologically adapted to eat meat, because we are... Our canines are designed specifically for tearing flesh. However, one could argue for instance, that A: The ability to eat meat was evolved to prevent starvation, or B: Meat provided an advantage to the young and adolescent in muscle growth (or something to that effect), but caused problems later on (which would not be a problem because of a shorter life span). I have been wanting to write a research paper on this, I'm really curious what kind of research has been done.
No - simply put humans can't survive as a species over time without meat. It is a critical source for our species in both brain and muscular development. There has already been 2 studies on tribes in Africa (low intelligence and muscular deformity) and in labs on rodents showing fetal retardation and severe muscular deformities and etc in generations. Can x survive without meat? Surely so. They've already benefited from meat consumption in early life or via their mother ... However if this went on generations = fetal retardation and etc would follow. Not to mention the devastation that would follow in the path in loss of habitation for numerous animals from displacement, insects and so ... all crucial to the chain of life. Humans are so narcissistic that they truly believe themselves - over millions of years of evolution ... know better than nature itself of what makes a species survive.
vegans can get their b12 (without artificial modern supplementation) without meat if they are willing to eat their poop, which tastes and smells better without processed and animal products in the diet. but who wants to do that? eat meat! (eating poop probably not vegan, since it is produced by an animal!)
From my point of view it is very important to eat meat every in order to be healthy because if we don't use meat, there might be lack of vitamins in our organism that can lead to many diseases.
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I downvoted again because it was a ridiculous argument. Especially since it's a fictional character set in the hunter-gatherer age. Maybe if the question was DID we really need meat - your link might've been helpful but the question is DO we need meat.
So again prove me wrong for once in your shitty life and maybe I won't downvote you if you have a reasonable argument.
stop being such a pathetic loser. This site is for expressing views not trying to be clever by downvoting people. by the way i downvoted you because you annoy me:) and before you say that im being pathetic, i don't care because I'm only 14.
Hey fuckface. Umm if you're going to write a poem then atleast make it rhyme. Which you didn't.... so wtf is that bullshit??
You don't need to post another link. Cause you're wrong. Nothing in the world you do will tell me that we need meat to survive because I've lived without meat all my life and I'm living healthily. I am proof that we don't need meat. I don't know wtf mentality has got to do with facts and figures. lol.
I'm not debating your 'right' to eat meat. But just so your retarded brain can learn a few things - there's a difference between veganism and vegetarianism and it seems like you've got it mixed up, cause I ain't not fucking vegan.
LOL wtf has animals got to do with being veggie? Damn - If you tell me stories where you've got hit in the back of the head resulting in brain damage then I'll surely believe you this time cause you are continuously fucking stupid. They should name a retarded disorder after you.
Again more stupidity - You can live without meat your whole life and still get the same nutritions needed. However you can't live on meat alone your whole life and get the same nutritions as somebody who eats vegetables. You don't need to swallow synthetic substitutes - cause I don't and nobody in my family or community (that I know of) does.
Nope veggies don't scream.
Even though you're wrong again and will always probably be wrong or be right for the wrong reasons - I want to hear it.
The question is do we really need meat?
No.
Proof?
Me and millions of others. All living healthily - more than most.
Go on. Say it. I'm right. Or come up with either a relevant, logical, decent, rational argument or a good link.
Yeah it probably would. 99% of meat eaters do not have a valid argument and it always boils down to 'because i WANT to' not 'because i NEED to'.
For those very few whom it doesn't work on I'm sure we can figure out alternatives or let them have meat if they actually NEED it - which I doubt. Living in the way YOU think is right has lead to extremely high rates of obesity in UK, USA, Canada and australia.
You want moral and ethical reasons??
The story that 'cuts you up' (which it doesn't and nobody believes you hence no replies and cause you're racist - I could go on...) would be completely different if the meat industry was non-existant or extremely small. Read up on it. You're a stupid tramp I know... but hopefully this one time you might understand what you read.
no thats right it doesnt mean it will work for everyone.
Thanks so i CAN still eat meat.
What would you know about true morals or ethical reasons?
The more you assume you know me and what my experienes are , the more toned my belly gets(not that i have ever been obese ,sure, a little chubby once or twice but never obese ,
Then why would you restate that we do need meat? After all it was YOU who posted those stupid links up.
Yes I am bored. Normally when you say something stupid and I bash your head with logic and sense and you defend yourself with more stupidity it's fun in the progress just watching the kind of shit you can come up with.
Atleast this time you've admitted I'm right. Again (cause apparently you told me that earlier but then argued back on the other side). Maybe you've started to see the light. Hopefully.
So then why would you state something that is wrong?
Playing devils advocate or giving opinions on contradictory sides is one thing. But stating something that is and you have already categorically accepted scientifically incorrect is what other than stupid, gay, wrong, retarded, typical of dacey etc. etc.
Are you high, getting beaten around the head, watching sick horror movies and having liposuction all at the same time when you type on thise website or are you conduction a survey on how stupid you can be?
Meat is probably one of the best sources of protein and iron you can get. Of course you can get iron from other exotic foods yes, but meat is irreplaceable. Our bodies NEED amino acids from proteins in order for our cells and other body parts to function properly. Go ahead. Stop eating meat and see what happens.
I love meat. I eat beef, chicken, fish, turkey, etc nearly every day. But in all honesty, our bodies are not dependent on eating meat. Like today: I had a burger and a turkey sandwich for lunch, but I didn't get a chance to go down to dinner. So I grabbed some cashews from my desk because they are rich in protein, just like meat. We can also eat soy based foods and other vegetables with protein, like rice.
So, do we really need meat? No. But would I ever give it up? Not unless it's a Friday during Lent! ;)
I understand how you are saying that now, humans have other options for protein than meat, but lets think back to ummmm... 8000 BC. The early tribesmen didn't know about protein and soy, they knew that as long as they ate meat and vegetables and fruits and dairy, that they would survive.
That's not the point though. Even early tribesmen didn't NEED meat to survive. In terms of scarcity of foods meat made survival easier but that tended to be with nomadic tribes.. not developed settlements.
Really. Fucking great. I'm sure. I'm pretty sure they could've survived without meat. 90% of their intake was fruits and vegetables. It might've been a lot harder and yes my brain might've been as underdeveloped as yours is right now - but that doesn't mean extinction. You're still alive and you suffer from extreme levels of stupidity.
So because ancient peoples didn't know about other forms of protein we have to follow in their footsteps? They also believed that the gods made it rain and that if they upset the gods then they would be punished with floods. Should we believe the same things as them?
Over time, humans discover things. You can either sit back and stay with tradition or you can move forward with science and discovery. I think the second way is better. I'm still allowed to eat meat, but now I know where I can get protein if I run out or if I don't want any.
I saw and see what happens every day when I don't eat meat. I've been in 7 bike tours, ridden over 100 miles in a day, hiked 10 miles with 8,000ft elevation gain within 7 hours, twice. Went to the gym several years ago & averaged over 1.5lbs of muscle gain every week, increasing the weight by 1/4lb or more on most exercises -every time- I went to the gym. Most American meat eaters eat about 3-5 times more meat than their body can assimilate the protein from. Protein is amino acids. There are plenty of plants with sufficient levels of amino acids. Want -complete- protein? Eat quinoa. Or a bowl of beans or lentils & rice. Need Iron? Eat spinach. It's loaded with Iron. Oats, raisins, blackstrap molasses, edamame, pumpkin seeds, lentils and various other legumes are also all excellent sources of iron. There are also plenty of vegetable sources for necessary amounts of calcium, as with -all- essential nutrients. Also, anyone who thinks it is "manly" to eat meat should probably be living in a cave. They might feel more at home.
Coming from a vegetarian? A vital vitamin that is necessary to the human body that is deprived when one becomes a vegetarian is Vitamin B12, and that is necessary for a healthy immune system! Better watch that connection to the brain bud.
And plus, where else will you get those vital amino acids that cause our bodies to build muscle? Show me one vegetarian who happens to be muscular. You can't.
I've been a vegetarian for 14 years & I'm 40. I win at arm wrestling against the majority of people, whether in their 30s or 20s. I beat most people half my age. I spend the majority of my time sitting in front of a computer. I do not ever "work out" my arms. When I was 21 years old (& "carniverous") I weighed 153lbs. I am (& was) 6'2".
Lol idiot. Me, LL Cool J, many of my friends. Google it. Maybe it's not as easily available for vegetarians as it is for non vegs, but doesn't mean there isn't any. If you're doing to say something.. have some logic, common sense, lack of stupidity etc. behind it.
Ok but that's how you choose to live your life. Same with your "friends". You are denied the taste of meat and forced to enjoy tofu, whoop dee freakin doo.
However, you have completely failed to mention amino acids every time you forget that this is a debate and not time for little "kinda" to show off. wait, that happens to be every time you make an argument...my bad!
We have the biological capability to eat meat. We also have the biological capability to eat animal byproducts (milk, eggs) and the capability to eat vegetables and fruit. Therefore, we don't need to eat meat to survive. I think it's beneficial in a diet if you want a lot of protein, which can also be found in nuts, tofu, and a few other foods. But meat isn't a necessity.
The main reason why many people oppose giving up meat is because it will be an inconvenience to them to base their diet only on autotrophs and because they will miss the taste of meat. Then, as they realize that this argument doesn't provide enough support to their argument, they continue to say that meat provides nutrients to the body.
So, do we really need meat? NO.
Meat provides no proteins, vitamins, or minerals that vegetables cannot provide. (There are many people who say that meat provides iron... beans and leafy greens can be a great source of iron.) And no, vegetarians do not suffer from iron deficiency.
There are many cons to eating meat...
Africa, one of the poorest countries in the world and one the countries that need the most food for its starving citizens, exports grain to feed livestock in other richer countries. (Ahem, America.)
More people can be fed on a vegetarian diet. Every consumer absorbs 10% of the energy of the food it consumes. For example, a cow eats grass and absorbs 10% of the energy from the grass. A person eats the cow and absorbs 10% of the energy the cow got from the grass. Eating lower on the food chain means that more energy is absorbed, and more people can be fed.
Much of the meat that people eat really isn't the meaty part of the animal? For example, McDonalds and Taco Bell uses grade F meat, while most dog food brands use grade D meat. What exactly is used for grade F meat? Ground up bones, ears, cartilage,.... Have you ever eaten a McDonald's burger and accidently bit on something hard and white? That's the bone that apparently wasn't ground up very well.
I haven't had McDonald's as a legitimate meal in several years. The only things I ever get there are "snacks" meaning coffee, an occasional hash brown, or a McFlurry after a night of partying. :) lol. McDonald's is gross....
And I haven't had Taco Bell ever! haha. It smells in there.
Because you can consume something does not negate the need for the other. As a species we can't survive without meat - it is the primary source of development both neurologically and muscular. This has already been show in rats and in tribes in Africa. We are omnivores.
No of course not. But like hell I'm going to give it up. I like food that tastes good. Not that I don't like vegetables, but I have needs that broccoli and cabbage just can't satisfy. Plus I'm a heartless bastard. Speaking of hearts...
I'm a vegetarian and I'm perfectly fine with not eating meat. It makes it difficult to go out to eat or overseas travel but i'm not worse off and I think it's a better lifestyle.
What we do need is protein but that and other elements can be gained from other non-meat foods and thus meat is not necessary for humans.
I've been vegan since I was 14 years old, and it's one of the best decisions I've ever made. Yes, I'm satisfied without meat, poultry, fish, dairy, eggs, or any other animal by-products.
The main reason why many people oppose giving up meat is because it will be an inconvenience to them to base their diet only on autotrophs and because they will miss the taste of meat. Then, as they realize that this argument doesn't provide enough support to their argument, they continue to say that meat provides nutrients to the body.
So, do we really need meat? NO.
Meat provides no proteins, vitamins, or minerals that vegetables cannot provide. (There are many people who say that meat provides iron... beans and leafy greens can be a great source of iron.) And no, vegetarians do not suffer from iron deficiency.
There are many cons to eating meat...
Africa, one of the poorest countries in the world and one the countries that need the most food for its starving citizens, exports grain to feed livestock in other richer countries. (Ahem, America.)
More people can be fed on a vegetarian diet. Every consumer absorbs 10% of the energy of the food it consumes. For example, a cow eats grass and absorbs 10% of the energy from the grass. A person eats the cow and absorbs 10% of the energy the cow got from the grass. Eating lower on the food chain means that more energy is absorbed, and more people can be fed.
Much of the meat that people eat really isn't the meaty part of the animal? For example, McDonalds and Taco Bell uses grade F meat, while most dog food brands use grade D meat. What exactly is used for grade F meat? Ground up bones, ears, cartilage,.... Have you ever eaten a McDonald's burger and accidently bit on something hard and white? That's the bone that apparently wasn't ground up very well.
I downvoted you for posting the same argument twice and simply repeating yourself, you do not deserve two points for the exact same words you put down. and I'll downvote myself for not even making an argument :p
It is a evolution fact, that human survived on compelet vegetarian diet. Are appendix soul purpose was for us to digest tree leafs and bark. Humans do not need meat to live, meat has always been a choice and always will. Becuase of humans now intakeing alot of meat, the amount of heath problems, like hemochromatosis, birth deffects and salmonella. are becomeing a hazard. Alot people think their above animals, considering themselves a non animal, manily because of religion. What people have to accept that humans are animals, but what spearates us is only differences. We would find it abomination if people eat other people. But were animals and some animals need to eat other animals to surive that they nature is and it will always be. But in humans case we have put more than a hundered speices of animal indanger of being exstinct. Nautres food chain is meant to keep every speices alive. If there is to many preditors, the lack of food cause starvation and the population decrases while in return the lower on the food chain get re-populated. And when they get to over populated there is more food for higher rakes in food chain so there popultion increase. This is a perfect system of life, but snice humans have use tools and technology we have thrown the system out of wack and, as long as the human population grows the geater the numbers of other animals will decrase intell theres nothing left. It goes same with trees, if humans keep exspanding there will be no green left. Meat is murder people face the turth. And what happens in slaughter houses is unacceptable. If we humans wish to die a peacful death so do animals. Its a proven fact that wild animals will kill the animal the fastest way possible to the best of there ability. We human can make animals die a pecaeful death, but we shouldnt be killing in the first place. We don't need meat to survive, its a choice, a choice of murder, a choice ignorance, a choice stupidity, a choice of hatetred.
There you go again defending your vegetarianism like it's your religion and that the world's going to end if it doesn't win this online debate or you don't get your daily bowl of tofu! You can't take in all these ingredients and not even flex a muscle in order to get "ripped" like you and your "flawless "friends" claim to be. Or are you referring to circle shapes? I'm sorry, I think we're on different levels.
You're getting mixed up with fact and your mental problems.
I've got no problem admitting I'm skinny... but I've got an athletic build.
In comparison to the average -
Fact - Lower visceral fat
Fact - Higher skeletal muscle
Fact - Better BMI rating
Fact - Better blood pressure
etc.
This is all done without ever eating meat.
Do you think you need to consume meat/protein shakes (and all the rest of that nonsense) to grow muscle?
Predictably you're going to prove yourself to be a retard and say yes. I just want to hear you say it. Makes everybody feel good that there's people like you in the world.
No you dont, but i will gladly continue eating animals. It's too much of a hastle trying to substitute for meat when you have the real thing ready and available.
well, even though i eat meat every once in a while, i have to agree that we do not have to kill cows and pigs and octupus's (do octupus's count as meat? im not really sure.)and then cook them just to eat for good flavor. think about it. what if you were a pig that was just about to be sliced up and cooked? wouldn't you have kicked and squealed just to live as the butcher was lifting his knife? that's exactly what a pig or cow or octupus(again, im not sure.) would feel like.same with us. So whenever you see a herd of pigs or cows or octupus's,(again, im not sure.) say thanks for the meat.
no we don't really need meat we can live on vegies though even I ocassionally eat meat (chicken) I really like chilly chicken though living on meat is not something that i planned
Meat is a product which people had eaten before. If we go back to history we will see that the main reason why people were strong was eating meat because meat is a really product which give a power. On the other hand we live in a 21st century, why we invent new technology if we can not stop eating meat and stop this cruеlty which exist now. People have to think about why we develop space technology if we can not solve one simple problem with this such kind of action.
We need vitamins, minerals, carbs and protein to live. How we go about getting these and which foods we choose to eat to get them, is up to us. With that being said, no ...we do not need meat, we need the correct balance of nutrients.
I have not had meat in my mouth since I was 4. Maybe I am only 14 but Im alive, I never had any health problems in my life. People are not designed to eat meat. Everybody I know eats meat and have many different health problems.I have developed so I can no longer digest meat. You can get all your nutrition from plants or diet supplements. Many people I know eat meat because they think animals have no feelings yet they weight more than me. Everybody say that meat is healthy, they are WRONG. It has been confirmed that an average vegetarian lives 6-10 years longer than a meat eater. So it is wrong to eat meat.
Vegetables do not hold the proper proteins to sustain us fully. We need meat in small amounts to live a full life
This is something of a common misconception. Vegetables do provide all the nutrients we need to live, and live a full life. Vegetarians only have to eat a wider variety of food to get the nutrients.
That taught me a lot. If you are vegetarian, then you must eat a much wider variety of foods, and if you think you can play all that extra to go that mile, go ahead.
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Do I need to point out that millions of humans have lived long happy lives eating meat? this is a pointless argument! Just as many vegetarians die every year from malnutrition as meat eaters do from weight gain or disease.
Cows do not "create" any necessary nutrients. Not a single one. This is 100% fact. Cows get their nutrients from vegetable sources (plant matter), misinformed people eat cows and absorb second-hand nutrients. Along with prostate cancer, etc...
Pathetic. It's not so much the meat that makes you gain as it is the potatoes you eat with the steak. Vegans can be fat - I've seen them fat from eating tons of starchy food.
