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Yes, I Concede We Are Dumb Terrorist! Kill Him!
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Do You Agree That There Has Been A Systematic "Dumbing Down" Of Americans?

I believe that in terms of IQ there isn't much difference between Americans and most other nationalities, but Americans have had their powers of reasoning and critical thinking snatched away over the last hundred or so years. American capitalism is quite simply incompatible with a critical, free thinking, logical population. After 9/11 is when it really became apparent to me, but perhaps older people will tell you it began even earlier.

Yes, I Concede We Are Dumb

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Terrorist! Kill Him!

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4 points

Ohhhhhhhhh, yes indeed!

And there's two kinds of dumb at play here. There's didn't study enough dumb, and there's studied a little bit of crap dumb. The didn't study enough dumb people are the ones who don't have a great education. The studied a little bit of crap dumb are the ones who feed on little bits of propaganda and memes from social media and then act like they have political science and economics doctorates. Either way - dumb. And it kind of creates a warped Lord of the Flies scenario on the web where a handful of idiot loud mouths spout angry bully bullsh!t and everyone else either tags along or reposts with a me too or on the flipside is the intended victim of the bullying.

You know some about this, right?

Side: Yes, I Concede We Are Dumb
Quantumhead(749) Clarified
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You know some about this, right?

Don't get sour grapes after such an insightful and impressive post. It spoils the entire thing. It also makes you somewhat of a hypocrite given that all I was trying to explain is that the genetic code is not the same thing as biological evolution, and that it governs all biological life rather than only humans.

Side: Yes, I Concede We Are Dumb
2 points

Actually I do apologize, because by the time I got to the end of that in my mind I was thinking I was replying to Brontoraptor. But no, it wasn't his debate.

Side: Yes, I Concede We Are Dumb

Yes. The liberal education system has brainwashed an entire generation with the religion of Despotism, and had to dumb them down to do it. They call this generation "useful idiots". What are they useful for? Getting a government absolute power over social controls. Then no one will ever be rich but them.

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Atrag(5666) Clarified
2 points

Can you say what type of education you received? So we can then say all right wingers are as stupid as you due to that system.

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Quantumhead(749) Disputed
1 point

Yes. The liberal education system has brainwashed an entire generation with the religion of Despotism

Do you actually believe this crazy shit you type or are you just trolling?

Side: Terrorist! Kill Him!
Grenache(6053) Clarified
1 point

I suspect it's 60% just trolling, 40% really believes in it.

Side: Yes, I Concede We Are Dumb
1 point

Absolutely. It is a symptom of capitalism. They want people who will be just smart enough to run the machines, tools, vehicles,etc, and just dumb enough to not realize they are being exploited. As a person who was recently in high school in the US, It is fucking horrible. It's an animal house. There is no learning, no inspiration to think about things. The students are just peddled meaningless crap that has no significance to most peoples lives and told to do work in relation to that meaningless crap. It not only doesn't make you think, IT DOES THE OPPOSITE!!! IT TEACHES YOU TO NOT THINK!!! It is sick and a complete betrayal of ourselves as a species. Blame capitalism; It is the root cause of it being so horrible. I really hope it can change.

Side: Yes, I Concede We Are Dumb

If you think 9/11 was our fault, you are a victim of indoctrination and the dumbing down of our youth.

Side: Yes, I Concede We Are Dumb
1 point

Why, exactly, is American capitalism incompatible with a critical, free thinking, logical population? And what about post-9/11 made that apparent to you?

Side: Terrorist! Kill Him!
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

Will have to say well said not sure LeatherHead can answer though

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Jace(5222) Clarified
1 point

I can't reciprocate the flattery, as I don't esteem your estimations of others' intelligence.

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Quantumhead(749) Disputed
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Why, exactly, is American capitalism incompatible with a critical, free thinking, logical population?

Karl Marx produced an exhaustive academic analysis of why capitalism cannot sustain itself about 150 years ago. I suggest you read that. In short, why would a critical, free thinking, logical population want to live in a pyramid system where 10 percent of the people own 90 percent of the wealth, and 90 percent of people own 10 percent of the wealth? It's contrary to the best interests of the majority of people, hence one has to be irrational to want it.

And what about post-9/11 made that apparent to you?

The American government gave the American people a narrative about 9/11 which was not simply contrary to the facts, it was contrary to the basic laws of physics. Americans not only swallowed it up, but became rabidly emotional and angry when others painstakingly pointed out how exactly they had been fooled. In much the same way that a lover gets angry and emotional with a friend who tells her that her husband has been banging the local waitress. Complete shut down denialism.

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Jace(5222) Disputed
2 points

Karl Marx produced an exhaustive academic analysis of why capitalism cannot sustain itself about 150 years ago. I suggest you read that.

Your presumptions lead you to error; I have read it (and it's hardly exhaustive).

In short, why would a critical, free thinking, logical population want to live in a pyramid system where 10 percent of the people own 90 percent of the wealth, and 90 percent of people own 10 percent of the wealth? It's contrary to the best interests of the majority of people, hence one has to be irrational to want it.

American capitalism doesn't properly exist, as the US economy is a mixed economy lacking a fixed form. Setting that aside, though, the argument you present remains unpersuasive. It presumes that to be rational is to desire excess rather than comfortable sufficiency, in order that it might overvalue egalitarianism under the auspices of reason. Further, it presumes that it is logically inherent to capitalism that it produce marked wealth discrepancy, rather than an inherency in human nature to be uncritical and illogical producing that effect under capitalism. It is contrary to the best interests of the majority to not be irrational, yet they persist in that quite regularly for the simple reason that we're not generally evolved to be optimally rational (and that the statistical median will always be average, necessarily). If the majority were rational then the majority would be considerably better at securing better socio-economic position within any economy, and particularly a capitalist economy which places fewer restrictions upon the exercise of that reason towards personal gain.

As for the rational minority, it is historically well established that their interest does not generally lie in putting before their own well-being the well-being of others who suffer on account of their irrationality. We cannot reasonably conclude the compliance of the rational outliers with the more distributive economic models, and it is precisely their rational superiority which vests them with the power to influence the economic model they and others operate within. That makes more egalitarian economic models untenable in the long run, because there is no effective check against the accumulation of power (monetary or otherwise)... the only counter force being a majority that is intellectually inferior as a simple matter of fact, and thereby insufficient for the task. Certainly, they can clamor for a baseline and even the elite have to be responsive to that to an extent... but that's not a threat to the system as long as it's managed, and can't accomplish the egalitarian vision.

The American government gave the American people a narrative about 9/11 which was not simply contrary to the facts, it was contrary to the basic laws of physics. Americans not only swallowed it up, but became rabidly emotional and angry when others painstakingly pointed out how exactly they had been fooled. In much the same way that a lover gets angry and emotional with a friend who tells her that her husband has been banging the local waitress. Complete shut down denialism.

That's rather obviously non-unique to the US, of course. Nor does it demonstrate your claim in the least. It shows that the average American is gullible and that the government took advantage of it for the ends of those in power. It establishes no clear relationship between that and capitalism, let alone anything about the inherency of capitalism's relationship to logic in the US context.

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1 point

Do You Agree That There Has Been A Systematic "Dumbing Down" Of Americans?

Sure do and it is the American Left that has been dumbed down by the people they vote for and the news they consume. The Leftist Elite need dummies like you LeatherHead that keeps you on the plantation and they say slavery is dead you are proof it is not dead.

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Quantumhead(749) Disputed
1 point

Sure do and it is the American Left that has been dumbed down by the people they vote for

Have you ever considered that part of the dumbing down process is to encourage Americans to invest in a false political dichotomy where both sides simply sling mud at each other instead of tackling the root problems?

Or nah?

I'm guessing nah.

Side: Yes, I Concede We Are Dumb