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I like to hedge my bets so I'm an agnostic. The something from nothing theory of the 'big bang', is no less incredible than the scriptures of the various religions so why choose one fantasy in favour of all the others on offer. By ''the something from nothing theory'' of the big bang I mean from where did the minute speck, (from which it is claimed the ever expanding universe emanated), come, and how is it that the unimaginable enormity of space was conveniently waiting to be filled with the endless cosmos?
The Big Bang theory is becoming rather outdated. The term was first coined by a Belgian Priest in 1920's. We humans with our limited senses and limited intelligence will likely never know the "truth", but some of the more recent theories suggest that the larger universe (but not necessarily the "largest") might have little vortices or wavetops sending out little "big bangs", like little droplets of "something" from which our present sensory detectable universe has been created. Of course we have to think this in multiple dimensions. Then there is the developing understanding of "something else" which is simply not detected by our limited senses or indeed by the matter sensed by us! (some of that "stuff" is presently called "Dark Matter").
And then there is the existence of "soul" or "mind" or "consciousness" or whatever you choose to call it. That too might be the stuff of which the universe is made! Buddhist students, (those with more training and understanding than I have) will suggest that even the concept of "reality" is in the mind!
So where is God in all this? Perhaps "God" is the sum total of all consciousness, the creator of the observable universe? Certainly God is not likely to be the monotheist (those followers of Abraham's Paul's and Mohammad's teachings) idea of an alien being, with a long beard, a judgmental eye sitting in Heaven and keeping an eye on us mere mortals. Though perhaps "God" might be that same sum total of consciousness (the stuff of the universe) from which our Karmic line is formed?
So - Do I believe in "God" - certainly not per the monotheist construction. But as some sort of cumulative consciousness? - well maybe "yes".
The Big Bang theory is becoming rather outdated. The term was first coined by a Belgian Priest in 1920's.
Actually Einstein (I assume you have heard of him) was the first to think of the possibility of a "Big Bang" however he thought it was a bunch of nonsense and tossed out that idea. Then it was brought back again on 1949, by a radioman who is now credited with the theory of The Big Bang.
We humans with our limited senses and limited intelligence will likely never know the "truth", but some of the more recent theories suggest that the larger universe (but not necessarily the "largest") might have little vortices or wavetops sending out little "big bangs", like little droplets of "something" from which our present sensory detectable universe has been created.
However, as said earlier Einstein did a lot of thinking on this topic. He studied it and found that in the laws of physics it is very much so possible to have something come from nothing (a.k.a The Big Bang).
Of course we have to think this in multiple dimensions. Then there is the developing understanding of "something else" which is simply not detected by our limited senses or indeed by the matter sensed by us! (some of that "stuff" is presently called "Dark Matter").
Yes this Dark Matter is what is expanding our universe in current time. I assume that this also means that Dark Matter caused The Big Bang.
And then there is the existence of "soul" or "mind" or "consciousness" or whatever you choose to call it. That too might be the stuff of which the universe is made! Buddhist students, (those with more training and understanding than I have) will suggest that even the concept of "reality" is in the mind!
So where is God in all this? Perhaps "God" is the sum total of all consciousness, the creator of the observable universe?
Assuming God(s) exists he would probably be outside of our current universe or as the Christians call it "outer darkness" where also the location of heaven and hell is.
Certainly God is not likely to be the monotheist (those followers of Abraham's Paul's and Mohammad's teachings) idea of an alien being, with a long beard, a judgmental eye sitting in Heaven and keeping an eye on us mere mortals. Though perhaps "God" might be that same sum total of consciousness (the stuff of the universe) from which our Karmic line is formed?
Dark matter? I assume that's what your talking about. While that seems like a good theory, dark matter is simply what expands the universe. As said by scientists.
So - Do I believe in "God" - certainly not per the monotheist construction. But as some sort of cumulative consciousness? - well maybe "yes".
What is wrong with the monotheist construction that makes you not believe that as the way God exists?
Good this discussion! But do you need to make it belligerent? Well, the credit for the term "Big Bang" is credited to the Belgian guy. Prior to that, there have been numerous theories, some resembling aspects of the modern thinking. Einstein's thinking is 100 years our of date and, with respect, you need to get up to speed with more modern thinking.
Einstein, like Newton before him, was not exactly wrong, but wasn't completely right either. And of course, modern thinking wont be exactly right any more than any other bit of science.
"Dark Matter" is only where we're at for the moment. It is a name applied to "stuff" that we think is out there but beyond our senses detection ability. And cosmologists attribute it to an explanation for the expansion of the universe.
As for God being outside our current universe - of course I agree (if He exists). But my own take on this is that "God" is a name applied by humans to personify something we dont really understand.
And no, I'm not talking about Dark Matter - I'm talking about Karma, which is described as the spiritual law of Cause and Effect. Or colloquially, what goes around, comes around. The monotheists figure that some external "judge" decides what is good and what is bad and based on that judgement, one's soul is directed to Heaven or Hell. We Buddhist thinkers just accept it as a law of nature. And our soul well be reborn (in some form) to keep on trying, eventually, if successful, in escaping the repeated cycle of rebirth and reaching Enlightenment at last - maybe the monotheists will call that Enlightenment "Heaven". But this in not the place to explain the Buddhist take on Life, The Universe and Everything! You'll need to check that out yourself.
What is wrong with the monotheist take on "God"? Well, God is the personification of what we Buddhist call Karma. Who knows, perhaps there is a consciousness out there responsible for the workings of our little universe, and, like the feudal overlords of old Europe, He is our local lord. But I dont subscribe to that thinking. I consider a it rather primitive thinking; an explanation to people whose knowledge cannot begin to understand the real workings of the universe. In a way Santa Clause is the personification of the spirit of good will; and God is the personification of Karma. Santa Clause doesn't exist (yes I know, he was a real man in the past) but the spirit of Christmas certainly does. So also, God doesn't exist (in the monotheist way) but the spirit of Karma certainly does.
Good this discussion! But do you need to make it belligerent?
I don't see how I was hostile, but if I was then I am sorry.
Well, the credit for the term "Big Bang" is credited to the Belgian guy.
That may be but Einstein was the person who thought of the idea itself. Look it up if you don't believe me.
Prior to that, there have been numerous theories, some resembling aspects of the modern thinking. Einstein's thinking is 100 years our of date and, with respect, you need to get up to speed with more modern thinking.
I don't believe there is such thing as modern thinking.
Einstein, like Newton before him, was not exactly wrong, but wasn't completely right either. And of course, modern thinking wont be exactly right any more than any other bit of science.
That is indeed correct. I believe that most of our current discoveries will soon be updated as more modern science comes about.
"Dark Matter" is only where we're at for the moment. It is a name applied to "stuff" that we think is out there but beyond our senses detection ability. And cosmologists attribute it to an explanation for the expansion of the universe.
Yes that I know, I also believe that it was one of the leading causes of the Big Bang (simply because we are still living the Big Bang).
As for God being outside our current universe - of course I agree (if He exists). But my own take on this is that "God" is a name applied by humans to personify something we dont really understand.
That... Seems pretty legitimate.
And no, I'm not talking about Dark Matter - I'm talking about Karma, which is described as the spiritual law of Cause and Effect.
I've never experienced Karma (and I don't exactly have the cleanest of hands) so I don't believe in Karma, but rather a coincidence.
Or colloquially, what goes around, comes around. The monotheists figure that some external "judge" decides what is good and what is bad and based on that judgement, one's soul is directed to Heaven or Hell.
Interesting...
We Buddhist thinkers just accept it as a law of nature. And our soul well be reborn (in some form) to keep on trying, eventually, if successful, in escaping the repeated cycle of rebirth and reaching Enlightenment at last - maybe the monotheists will call that Enlightenment "Heaven".
You are very interesting to read (I mean this in a good way).
But this in not the place to explain the Buddhist take on Life, The Universe and Everything! You'll need to check that out yourself.
Yes, I will attempt to do that.
What is wrong with the monotheist take on "God"? Well, God is the personification of what we Buddhist call Karma.
I thought Buddhists worshiped Buddha? Is there multiple forms of Buddhism?
Who knows, perhaps there is a consciousness out there responsible for the workings of our little universe, and, like the feudal overlords of old Europe, He is our local lord. But I dont subscribe to that thinking. I consider a it rather primitive thinking; an explanation to people whose knowledge cannot begin to understand the real workings of the universe.
Very nice grammar, to bad I don't have grammar like that.
In a way Santa Clause is the personification of the spirit of good will; and God is the personification of Karma. Santa Clause doesn't exist (yes I know, he was a real man in the past) but the spirit of Christmas certainly does. So also, God doesn't exist (in the monotheist way) but the spirit of Karma certainly does.
"We humans with our limited senses and limited intelligence will likely never know the "truth", but some of the more recent theories suggest that the larger universe (but not necessarily the "largest") might have little vortices or wavetops sending out little "big bangs", like little droplets of "something" from which our present sensory detectable universe has been created.
However, as said earlier Einstein did a lot of thinking on this topic. He studied it and found that in the laws of physics it is very much so possible to have something come from nothing (a.k.a The Big Bang)."
God was having a conversation with a scientist about our scientific advances. He was proud of our advancements and was admiring our scientists newly formed processes. During the short conversation, the scientist claimed that they no longer need Gods help for they can create human life now. God chuckled and laughed to the statement the scientist has said. The scientist was offended and said, "its true just watch me". the scientist quickly bent over to collect raw materials, one of which was dirt. When the scientist started shovel some dirt, God asked "What are you doing with my dirt"?
BB theory is NOT outdated. it is still by far the most widely adhered to theory as to the way our current known Universe came into being, some 13.7 BYA.
Sure, what you say about auxiliary theories is true. Some of us think the current Universe may only be one is a series of Big Bangs. That the Universe Bangs....expands....contracts...and then finishes in a Big Crunch--that infinitesimally small point of singularity==before beginning the process all over again.
But see, this alternative hypothesis--not really a theory yet--STILL relies on an original Big Bang.Thus the theory is NOT outdated as you said in your OP. It has just been modified and expanded upon by some Cosmologists. Not all though, and probably not even the majority.
I would hazard to guess that a good 70% of all professional Cosmologists stil adhere to the original Big Bang Theory. That is, that the current Universe is the original. The recent discovery of Dark Energy has also slightly diminished the notion of the Universe contracting into a Big Crunch, and thus the "multi-verse" hypothesis has also been denigrated as well.
Also, I am not sure where you're getting the Belgian priest stuff about the dude who coined the name Big Bang. But that is wrong as well. So is your time frame. The term was coined by Brit Astrologist Fred Hoyle in the 1950s. (And yeah, it WAS meant as a derogatory term!)
I Do agree with you on your idea of what a possible "god" might consist of. He certainly is not the personal caring biblical sort of entity, like the absurdly human Yahweh of the Bible. LOL. I find that sort of god to be the stuff of bad comic books.
It is rather, most likely some sort of Universal Mind, perhaps a Collective Intelligence as you mentioned. But even in this, I am agnostic at best.
The fact that you don't even know that Islam believes in Mohammed fully explains why you don't know that the Leftists treat Islam like they treat Christianity.
They also support the religion of Christianity. Is that not obvious to you? Most leftists are Christians. Is there anything being denied to Christians that Muslims are allowed to do?
Like I already told you, you don't believe me when I tell you that I hate Islam. It is not a change on my part. This is a change for you finally acknowledging it. I think Islam is stupid.
The religion of Islam is based on the teachings of Mohammad, a man who lived some 1200 years ago. They don't "believe" in Mohammad any more than Christians "believe" in Christ. Islam "believers" call the one God "Allah". The Jews call him "Jehova". The Christians call the god "God" or "Father".
"Radical" Islamists have put their own particular slant on the interpretation of Mohammad's teachings. But that interpretation is no more common than the Evangelist following in Christian countries. Most Christians are decent people following a code of living inspired by the life of Christ and the rules of Paul. And most Muslims are also decent people following a code of living inspired by the life of Mohammad and the teachings of Mohammad himself or the teachings of Abu Bakr (the Sunnis) or Mohammad's son-in-law, Ali (the Shiites). Radical Islamists follow the teachings of Ali. The Shiites make up only 15% of Islam followers and the vast majority of these are good people.
It just amazes me how people can be so blind. You can't make God go away by saying He is not there, you can't keep yourself out of Hell by saying it is not there, or by saying you that you are not that bad of a person that you should be denied of God's freedom.
God loves you. That's why He died for our sins as the Son of God sent by the Father, paid your price with His own blood, and rose from the dead to be the justifier of all who believe on His resurrection and receive Him as their Savior.
You can talk to God if you will be honest about the fact that you are a sinner in need of His mercy. If you will believe on Jesus, you will be saved and you can know now and forever that you have eternal life through Him.
I don't know what you are talking about. I have always been consistent...God loves you and wants you to have eternal life to enjoy you forever in His Kingdom of Heaven. It is the gift of God through Jesus Christ our Lord, paid for by His own blood and given freely to all who will repent of their sin and believe on Him in His resurrection and receive Him, in person, the Living God, as their Savior. The Creator became the Savior, paid the price of our sin so He is just to forgive all who trust in Him, and righteous to leave in the fire of Hell forever all who insist it was nothing that He gave His only begotten Son who paid with His own blood for our sins so we can be saved from Hell. He will be the Judge of those who refused Him as their Savior, and the Savior of those who believe on Him as the Judge of All, the King of Creation, the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, KING OF Kings and LORD of Lords....and His name is Jesus Christ and there is no other name above Him.
We Atheists DO make god go away, since we do not use such a fallacy in any of our research. He simply is not needed in our work. Yet, we continue to improve the world with our science and our discoveries. Curing disease; allowing better and more food and crops to be produced; improving healthcare; improving technology; improving YOUR quality of life. You're welcome.
It IS true we cannot make god go away in YOUR minds. Anymore than we can eradicate other types of mental illness. But we are working on it. Just as we have created anti-psychotic medications for folks suffering from psychoses, like Schizo-affective disorders, we, with our science that continues to prove that the existence of your god is very very unlikely, are making great progress in eradicating belief in superstitions. Like religion.
I look at this much in the same way create vaccines to eradicate diseases. Same deal. Making the world a better place. Protecting the weak. The deluded. With the REAL God: Science.
Thank you for your comments. I don't know why you think it is so important to eradicate belief in God. Many scientists, such as the inventor of the MRI machine which revolutionized modern medicine, are appreciated by atheists for their excellent work in science, yet they hold to the Biblical world and life view. Of course they are in the minority, and will not be invited to speak of their faith on college campuses where practitioners of naturalism make the rules. When they do something like invent the MRI machine while never renouncing their Biblical world and life view, naturalism folks like yourself will feel their boat is being rocked too much. The boat you are riding in is for cowards who don't want anybody telling them that their sin is evil...and their is a hole in the bottom of that boat, and they are all bailing water but unable to stop the boat from sinking and you are going down with them....they are not your friends.
You can enjoy all scientific pursuits without your religion of naturalism (of course, your band of "we" who are the priests of your religion will ostracize you and you will probably get run off the campus of most colleges or universities in America because the cowards hate people who tell them the truth about their sins and their religion). When you say "science" is your god, it is not science but your religion. All religions are the same in denying justice against the sins of their followers, believing they earn that denial by what they do. You are dying in a religion, not living in reality, separated from God in death by your sins. If you won't be reconciled to God through the blood He gave on the cross for your sins when He paid your price so He can be just to forgive you, you will never see life. Life is eternal, or death is eternal, God is offering you life and you are choosing death. Any fool can be proud and brave, you don't impress me with hot air or hockey.
Atheism is unnecessary for science, as is belief in evolution. It's a false god, a useless god. Scientists do not disagree over practical science, they disagree in philosophy, beliefs about reality. In your belief, you are trying to eliminate your own conscious awareness of guilt. You know what you have done wrong and are hoping it is forever forgotten in death....you are trying to get out free thinking you are free to do as you please when you are a prisoner of death.
The only thing you are making go away is your own life. That is observable science, and you are doing a good job of it and getting what you are working for....and your atheistic friends are cheering you on as you all go out in your suicide pact following your false god named "science", which in reality is your religion of naturalism and not science.
god is real because then what is the bible,also what caused the big bang if there is one? what I'm saying is that god has to be real because his quote ''let there be light'' could refure to the big bang.
A book says it is true so it must be true and I do not understand things so I use faith instead of admitting I do not know things are not particularly compelling to anyone remotely intelligent.
The notion of God and God are not the same thing. The former can exist without the latter. They are not mutually dependent upon one another. And if something cannot come from nothing... then from whence came God?
He is self existent, always has been, always will be. You had a beginning, when you were conceived, God did not have a beginning. He always was God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. He is love, and each of the two persons of the Godhead have been loved by the other, always fulfilled.
He created beings with powers of communication like His own for Himself to enjoy. Is there something wrong with that? He gave them life, and freedom to live that life, glorifying His own splendor and power. Some of them wanted to be the boss over others, they wanted to rule in God' place. Those are the devils, Satan and His angels who rebelled against God and led mankind into that same rebellion.
You are blind, thinking you have the right to exist outside of Hell simply because you cannot see Hell is real. You can't see it because you love darkness, because your deeds are evil...turned and turning you away from and against God. You keep arguing as if you are proving there is no Hell and God can't rule over you and keep you in Hell forever....the only thing you are proving is that you are dying. When your dying is finalized, then you will have no way of knowing God's love. Before it's too late, you need to trust His love, believe on His Son in His resurrection, receive Him as your Savior and be saved from Hell. You can talk to God about this if you will admit that you have sinned against Him and deserve to die and burn in Hell. If you won't agree with Him on the truth of this point, you will force Him to prove it to you and then it's too late because you will have rejected His gift, rejected the death He suffered to pay your price so you would not have to pay in Hell, and you will pay for your existence as a sinner the only way that can satisfy God's justice.....in the fire of Hell.
These are the same assertions which I have already refuted elsewhere and which you tacitly conceded due to your inability to proffer any substantiation for your claims for actual repudiation of my analysis. I am disinclined to repeat myself to you henceforth, here or elsewhere.
Yeah yeah yeah. You say you win, so you win everything you can take to the grave with you in your nihilistic fantasy of non-existence....and I wonder if when your eyes are closing in death you will still be saying there is no God and no proof of Hell, or will you see the fire you are falling into and wail with your last breath?
Why do you keep insisting that you have the right to exist outside of Hell? Why not go have some fun? Is this how you have fun? Insisting you have proved that you have the right to exist outside of Hell? The only thing you are proving is that you are dying and you cannot prove it is not forever and ever in Hell, can you?
Well, that seems rather convenient. The same could just as legitimately be said of the Big Bang though. It did not come from anywhere, which means that is isn't something.
You have missed the point of my preceding statement. I was not actually advocating that view, but instead attempting to demonstrate that there is no difference in merit between your unfounded claim or any other unfounded claim (i.e. they are both equally lacking in merit). Simply claiming something is true does not demonstrate that it is actually true. All of you have done is express a belief in your belief on the basis of your belief (nice circular reasoning).
P.S. It also makes no sense that the Big Bang is everywhere since the term describes a discreet event in time.
That principle does not support the notion of God; quite the opposite, actually.
If God is nothing then God does not exist. If God is something then God cannot have come from anything either. If God is something and therefore necessarily came from something, then this means God is not necessary to create something which undermines the original argument that God must exist to explain where the universe came from.
I stand by the basic principle, that something can't come from nothing. If nothing existed before the Big Bang, that means that God is nothing, and that then the question isn't whether God exists, but what is nothing?
If God is the nothing, and the universe is the something, does that then mean that God has never existed, but is the something to be created?
I never refuted the claim that something cannot come from nothing. My argument does not necessitate doing so, though the claim is rather unfounded when you get right down to it. Notably, you have avoided responding to my preceding analysis which applies the aforementioned claim to disprove the existence of God.
Nothing is the absence of any and all things; it cannot be defined any further because it has no attributes except for absence. If God is nothing then God is an absence. If God is being created then God arguably cannot have created the something which is creating God.
My own position, is that God "has" to exist - the computer isn't aware that it's been made by human beings, but that doesn't change the fact that it has been.
The difference between a computer being made by humans and humans being made by God is that we can observe that both the computer and the humans exist whereas we cannot observe that God exists. There is no evidence to support the "fact" that God exists. You are merely reiterating the same claim as proof of your claim, again.
And you have still not responded to my analysis of the claim that something cannot come from something. This analysis repudiates the existence of God. Given that you have had numerous opportunities to counter this analysis but have not done so, the point is tacitly conceded and this debate is over. I do not intend to respond further.
With that logic, humans should be considered gods. After all we have created new species from all sorts of life notr to mention A.I.. As far as these forms of existence are concerned we are their creators. It isnt until we ask for worship and sacrifice that we can ascend to the role of a deity in this case god. Which brings me to this point; Why does everyone assume god is creator of the universe. The bible does not mention anything about the universe besides in the beginning there was darkness.... ook. What about the other planets and lets refrain from the technicalities of stars being considered planets and the 'darkness' original KJV bible as the universe. I refuse to believe in any deity that derives its history and authenticity from ancient writings. I do however accept the theory that yes some 'thing' or some 'event' triggered our existence. What type of power does a god really have if he alledgedly created a universe but in all of this time hes only placed life on one planet in one galaxy. Why do we need oxygen to breath. Why are we made from the very substances that makes up the elements. Our bodies contain water, electricity,heat, and carbon.
That does not follow from my logic, as I said nothing about creation being the basis for identifying godliness. The something from nothing point was originally made by the other user, and I adopted it only to refute it; you will have to ask them why they made that assumption, since it was not my argument. The rest of your commentary is largely without substance, observing as it does no more than basic cause and effect, and does not repudiate any of my statement.
LOL this made me laugh. First of all, I hope you're kidding. if you're not, I assume by "strange lights" you're referring to auroras that can be seen from the north and south poles. These are caused by the earth's magnetic field and the way that sun rays hit the atmosphere, you can search up more information on them online or in a book if you wish.
if you do not believe in a God then why quote the bible? No one is fully atheist because guess what admit it or not when something bad happens in your life when you lose someone or someone hurts you or you hurt someone you instantly go to your mind and you blame God. If you think there's not a God who are you trying to change because as much as you debate this your starting to second guess your choice. Even atheists scream at the sky and ask God why so don't argue something you cant prove. You try to use science to prove he doesn't exist and most religious people use scripture well guess what neither will prove a point. I'm stating facts guess what one quote I will use right now "how can you hate something if it doesn't exist."
Literary reference. Im pretty sure you hate something thats non - existent yet it has a presence in you life. Like fictitious movies, fabrications non the less but we quote them, love and hate them.
I believe in god because I have prayed several times to God, and basically all of my wishes came true, even the weird ones that a normal human being wouldn't be able to grant me. If you don't believe in god and you are reading this, I would like you to message me, and we'll have a little talk.
You had me at 'wishes'. So can you wish a million dollars for me too. Since i know your good for it. He should know where to send it. I always assumed thats how prayer worked.
I would just like to say, that if I believe in god, you should not try to take that away from me, that is my belief, so don't you go ruining that for me.
Didn't mean to go outside that site, but if you go to a debate website, state your argument, and then say "you should not try to take that away from me, that is my belief," then you obviously don't want to debate.
If I didn't want to debate, then why would I be wasting my time talking to you right now? Look, none of us have any exacting proof that god is up there somewhere. But the day when all of us Christians go to heaven and all of you atheists (people who don't believe in god, in case you didn't know the word for it) go to hell, then there's the proof. Except none of us can tell the rest of the world that, because we'll all be dead, either in heaven or hell. So, for generations we are just going to have people part there ways as they die.
I agree with dabatergirl, there is evidence. I have prayed numerous times and all of which have come true. I know you may feel upset about loosing however your not alowed to ruin and lie about the truth. It's been a pleasure winning a debate against you little liar, better luck next time.
Actually, I feel a great amount of sadness for people who deny the existence of God, my reason being: it's simply a depressing way of viewing life. I know you may feel the evidence against Gods existence is extremely low, however if use choose to believe, you are giving and receiving hope. Hope is the power to be positive and feel happiness in life, it is important. In my opinion, God works like this: you pray, and by praying instead of being fearful you are being hopeful; then with your positive attitude you attract positive events in your life, for example, things you pray for, and when you are granted your wish you become even more pleased and begin to believe.
It may seem depressing but just imagine all the people who would be alive if it wasn't for faith healers convincing the feeble minded to not seek treatment. That is truly depressing.
Who are you referring to when you mention god? So i gather you believe that slavery is cool - genocide is cool - patricide is cool - making a rape victim marry her rapist is cool - coveting which is a sin anothers land praying god fights along side of you(which hes done allegedly). Destroying the world yet letting a drunken old man sail an ark safely through the worst flood in biblical history, well good for you and your tyrant of a lord. One question though, if it turns out E.T. really created mankind would you then worship 'him'. Wait nevermind because god is a (white-bearded) elderly man in a toga, oh wait thats saint nick or maybe his twin. Who has a son thats actually him in human form because he had manifested himself inside the womb of a virgin. Just to fake his death when he reached the age 33 so paul could create chrisianity 60 yeaers later. if thats what you belive fine but dont force feed it to the impressionable youth brainwashing them into christian fanatics that shoot up churches and beat homosexuals half to death in the name of having slaves and the right to rape any woman they feel would be a good bride. Do you actually read the bible or just what the preacher gives you for homework. Dont feel pity for me though feel pity for your ministry that sucks the life from the poor to sustain the greed of those who exploit this ancient story for personal gain.
i believe in god..u think that once in a while the world rose up and made immense creatures with unique characteristics...the best evidence for the existence of the ultimate creator is that all living beings have common genetic material at varying degrees...
I mean I kind of do and I kind of don't. So I'm growing up in this huge religious family. Unbelievable things have happened to me. So I'm like "Yeah I believe in god." But then there are those times like "If there really is a god why is this happening to me?" So I'm like in between I guess...?
Sounds to me like you need to be saved. Admit you have sinned against God and deserve to be separated from Him forever, deserve any punishment He gives, deserve to die. Believe He died for you as the Son of God, Jesus, to pay for your sins so you can be forgiven by Him in His resurrection, believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead.......and wholeheartedly call on God, ask Him in the name of Jesus Christ to save you. If you will be honest at heart in doing this, Jesus will come into you and give you a new heart and you will be a new creature born of the Spirit of God who is Christ in you after you receive Jesus Christ as your Savior. The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Believe, and receive God's gift.....a prayer similar to this in your own words from your own heart will suffice if you really mean it between you and God......."Dear God, I know I'm a sinner and need your forgiveness for being a sinner, I know I've done things displeasing in your sight. I believe you died for me as the Son of God who you sent to die in my place, and I'm receiving Him now as my Savior. In the name of your Son, Jesus, I'm asking you to be my Father and I'm receiving Jesus Christ now as my Savior. Thank you for being merciful to me and giving me life. Thank you for pardoning my sins as I have received your Son who paid the price for my sins in death. Thank you for saving my soul, thank you for giving me eternal life".
It doesn't hurt to believe, and all of those science-relying people simply stating facts from a textbook, those are only THEORIES. Who knows? God may have performed the "Big Bang," which lies as a THEORY.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more it all adds up. I think you are a total fraud, pretending to be somebody you are not, pretending to have done things you have not done. I'm even doubting your claim of being 34 years old. You see, son, I just sat back and let you run your mouth and took notes....and I gave you the benefit of a doubt all the way, believing everything you said about yourself is true, and why shouldn't I? Education, accomplishments, celebrity, those things do not impress me too much. Whatever you have done, whoever you are, that's ok with me as long as you are honest.....but now I'm thinking you are a complete fraud. It's suddenly adding up, and I really was not looking for any reason to believe you are a pretender....but you put it there in front of me and I have to accept the facts....it all adds up to you being a complete fraud. If I were you, I would drop this screenname and invent a different one and invent a different personality and play the game again from the start....that's what I would do now if I was a lost devil like you are....but really, you should just get honest with God, repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and be saved.
On hockey. I could answer all of those I asked you in five minutes. On a real time chat with you so you know I would not be googling answers.
Thus, I once again prove my creds. College hockey, doctoral-candidate, whatever. I have never told even the slightest falsehood on CD regarding my past. Indeed, a perusal of other posts by other members during the seven or so weeks I been here tell me I am more honest and forthcoming than most. Including you...since you KNOW that I am the real deal. BUT..you have been so very thoroughly debunked, destroyed, and relegated to laughing stock status around here--mostly due to me--that you have no recourse but to attack your attacker's creds.
Never mind the fact that you cannot show us ONE post I have ever done that alludes to the notion I am not all I have said I am. And more.
LOL.
Adios, loser. I simply have no more time for you guys. Onward and upward. It's been fun, and amusing. But never challenging, and often disappointing.
I DO hope you get help some day, however. I am all for enlightenment; even to those I believe to be beyond hope.
There is something ten times ahead u and that is god .scientists never came to found what was before the big bang or what is the other side of the moon.. B cause there is a supreme power between us and that is god
I'm going to go ahead and take all you have said about your sky god with the attention that a post so lacking in fundamental grammar and punctuation as yours deserves.
In other words, this is my imitation of how much credibility and interest your post offers me...........
There is proof for god is existing and that is in ur home....god cannot every time stop u from doing something wrong that's why God created mother also god cannot every time advice u that's why god created frnds
I believe in god but I don't believe in statue worshiping. If u will search god in churches masjids or temples then there is no need of coming him to u .b cause u r searching him in church and masjid then why he will come to u.if u will search god in person then u will find god not in church. If u will met with an accident then at that time the person who will give blood to u he will be god for you no one other
I am one who believes in God. I believe in the power of God himself. I know that its hard to believe in what you cant see. The point I'm aiming to make is that its always easier to believe in God when you were brought up that way, you kinda get a better understanding of who God is, and more importantly his works and his unlimited power. I was raised in the church and learned much about God. It stuck with me as the years went on. I see the difference between believing in God and just knowing that there is a GOD. The way i see it, I've been blessed with so many good abilities, (GOOD AND GOD) confirming my belief in GOD.
I, for one, do believe in God. There are too many events that have happened and will happen that science can not explain. The universe did not come to be by chance. God is a way for people to explain all these events. Even though, we can not do experiments to show of God's existence or put him in a test tube or some sort of scientific method, that does not mean we should say that "God does not exist!"
There are too many events that have happened and will happened that science can not explain.
Such as?
The universe did not come to be by chance.
Based on what?
God is a way for people to explain all these events.
But do you truly believe that is a reasonable line of thought for "proving" God? I can understand why it might be tempting, don't get me wrong, I just don't understand how it is proof.
The People who say He does not exist insist on calling us names because they cannot come up with a more reasonable argument. God exists, everyone knows in their heart of hearts this is a truth. You can say He doesn't but that doesn't change that fact that He does. I've spoken to Him. He's guided me. I'm who I am because of Him.
an agnostic theist......of course you are not sure.
You need God's forgiveness for your sins, you have broken His law and need His mercy, you need His pardon to be allowed to live in His Kingdom, and it's all in His Son who took your place in death and rose from the dead to be the justifier of all who believe on Him.
Why not believe and receive Him today? You may not have the opportunity tomorrow. If you die in your sins, you pay for your sins, and you will end up paying in Hell forever because you cannot pay enough to undo the things you have done, you can only keep on doing more of the same because it's your nature to sin so you will always be paying in dying forever and Hell will be your prison.
God is being good to you desiring that you will come to repentance and believe on His Son and be saved. Only believe and talk it over with God, believing on Jesus and asking God for His mercy based on what Jesus did for you.
I am sorry Saintnow, but I think you got that wrong... you see I have a masters degree in being right, and so that means that I am right, and you are wrong. Look...I am sorry, but sometimes you just got to loose, and today was your day. shame.
I think you are misreading some of the posts I directed toward other people when I wasn't talking to you. It's an easy mistake the way the posts are set under each other, hard to follow who is talking to who sometimes. I usually just look at the NEW ARGUMENTS box on my profile page to see if there are any posts I want to respond to, then go from there directly to the post I am responding to. I don't read much in the threads.....to many foul mouth haters. I don't want to read people who cuss, and that's most of the people on this site.
Do you think you can believe Hell exists if you find yourself unable to escape it's flames? I'm not wishing (I don't wish, I don't believe in wishing) Hell on you or anybody else. Your own words make it clear that Hell is where you are going now and I'm trying to tell you how you can be saved from it. You need to get saved from death to have eternal life, or you will be lost to Hell and have eternal dying. You are dying in your sins and need to be saved from it.
Do you want me to tell you that you are good, doing fine, and nothing is wrong and just walk away? That would be apathetic; to hear somebody saying things that clearly show they are in danger of Hell, with me knowing how you can be saved from it, to say nothing or value and leave you dying the way you are? Do you want me to lie to you? Is that what you think being a Christian is, doing and saying whatever makes you feel better if it's true or not? I'll leave you alone I guess, you can go your own way.
If you believe on Jesus, believe He is God and risen from the dead, and receive Him as your Savior to be forgiven of your sins, then you will no longer enjoy sinning. People say they can't believe because they don't want to give up their sinning. You can believe if you want to. You can talk to God about it; He will show you if you will be honest with Him about your sins and believe in His offer of forgiveness because He died for your sins and rose from the dead, conquering death for all who believe on Him.
You can believe if you want to. If you say you want to, but then you don't, you are lying. If you really want to believe, get real with God and you will find Him real with you in Jesus Christ. God loves you and wants you to believe. He can't show you if you won't believe. If you say "show me first", you are not believing and won't be able to see. If you will believe, He will open your eyes and you will see.
You did not answer the question. I did not wish Hell on you. I don't want anybody to end up in Hell, though I see many people who probably are going to and I can't do anything to help them.
Just answer the question, it's a yes or a no question.
Justice is not kind to evil, it can't be or it would not be any good. It is good to know God punishes evil. Hell is justice against sin. Sin attempts to rid the sinner of God. God is against it, and Hell is for it. You can question God and accuse Him of not being good all you want to, it won't do you any good and He will not answer you except by Hell if you will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
If you do--how so? When nobody can know of god's ways--even if there were one. But you preach around here like you DO know. A true false prophet who demands that sinners repent or burn. JC warned us about your ilk. And what was in store for them.
Hint: Millstone. Around neck. Big-ass lake. Gurgle gurgle.
So now you oppose letting people build houses of worship. First you think the government can determine what we consume, now you believe the government can tell people what they can and can not build.
Who says that God must be benevolent? Or even necessarily omnipotent or omniscient. This is a solid refutation of anyone who claims their God is all of those things, but does not answer the question more broadly.
Within the broader scope of the question, I agree. However, I saw the comment from the OP:
"yes because without God you wouldn't be here and wouldn't have the wonderful things we have today. GOD IS EVERYTHING!!!!!!"
And chose the quote accordingly. My answer to the more broad question came in a later response where I said that I am a "Pragmatic Agnostic", a term often used to refer to individuals who do not believe we can know (or at least can currently know) if a god (or gods) exist.
I could relate to what you're saying because at one point i was the in the same boat. At one point i became believer, mainly due to "signs" i kept receiving. Unfortunately, not one journey is the same and we really dont know what coming around the corner.
God is willing and able to prevent evil. The way evil will be prevented is by confining sinners in the fire of Hell where there will be no means for evil to exercise itself.
It's you who is malevolent, hating God and being evil, promoting a teaching of evil against God. Evil comes from your heart, you are full of it, and God is being merciful and good to you desiring that you come into agreement with Him regarding His right to rule over and against you as a sinner. This is the first step you must take in approaching God if you want His forgiveness which apparently you do not.
Epicurus was an evil fool in saying what he said, and you are equally the evil fool for promoting his hatred against God as if it's something good. Really.
You have to think logically about justice and admit that you deserve to fall under it. If you will stop avoiding justice, believe God is merciful and ask Him in the name of Jesus who died in your place as payment for your sins, you will be forgiven and like Him in His resurrection. Time won't matter that much any more, as it's God's gift to be returned to God moment by moment in part and completely forever. Where are you going to serve your time? In dying or in living? You are serving time on death row now awaiting execution yet God is desiring to show you mercy. How can He show you if you say it's not possible? God loves you and gives you your own way if you really want it. If you really knew the fire it is taking you to, you would repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. If you really understood justice leaves you no way out except by God's mercy, you would seek His mercy. You can if you will. You can be saved from Hell. If you keep saying it's not possible, you won't be saved. It's up to you.
Preventing evil would be not allowing you to come into existence. God knew that some of His creatures would rebel and turn against Him in evil before He created them, and He knew that to be true to Himself and uphold justice, He would have to pay their price in death due to His love for them. He paid with His own blood so that we don't have to pay if we receive Him as God's payment for our sins so we can be forgiven. In His resurrection, all who believe on Him are covered by the blood He gave for them and pardoned from execution of justice in the fire of Hell. Where are you now, and where are you going to be on Judgement Day? I will be standing covered by the blood of the Son of God who will be your Judge as you stand naked and exposed in everything you have ever said, done, or imagined and you will have no excuse for being a sinner, so reason for God to accept you.
God is love and gives life, He created beings with powers of reason, imagination, and communication like His own to enjoy loving them. Some of them decided that they wanted more than what God had given them, they wanted to have God's place of authority. They turned against God in their pride...some of them. You are one of them, like a devil turned against God in your pride because you want the pleasures of your self-satisfying, self-glorifying, self-exulting sin...pride at your core and bound to fall from your Creator who desires nothing but life and it's blessings for you forever for Him to enjoy giving it to you. You can't have it your own way, but you are insisting that you can so it will be denied from you as long as you will not repent...and once your death is finalized by you choosing to go it alone, that's all you will have alone with no more indication of God's kindness in the fire fit for sinners to contain their rebellion and prevent it from ever happening again. God is going to have His people to enjoy forever exactly the way He intended in spite of the fact that many of them hated Him and refuse His gift of life. You can't stop God, you can't make Him go away, and you can't escape justice in death. You can't make Hell unreal by not believing it is there for sinners.
Thanks. You just admitted there is no god. Since clearly you or any other religious zealot can prove that ONE sinner has EVER been banished to hell.
may I ask what in life has scared you so badly, so fiercely, that you found it necessary to retreat to living n a fanatasy world of devils and ghosts and sky gods?
Embrace life. this one is all you have. T'woud be a pity to squander it on faulty worship of non-existent deities.
Please..I am simply trying to help you. to give you your life back.
Read this..take a mere 15 minutes out of your day. and then think about it. do yourself a favor.
p.s. I don't smoke pot, and fishing bores me. But I AM off to go play some soccer at the park. a bit of 4 on 4 with me mates, and THEN some pints at the pub. and watch the Arsenal game.
In my opinion religion has been used to explain the "unexplainable" at the time that the question was asked? If you watch civilizations grow and gain knowledge you see a disregard for the religion, Generally the more educated a society the less religion. Also if their is a god or gods why is there so mcuh suffering, and the "Free will" argument is not valid.
This is a self-deceptive delusion, if not a purposeful distortion of the truth. Great minds in all fields and all levels of education and scientific accomplishment have throughout all ages come to faith in God, believing in the God of Heaven before the arrival of the Son of God, and believing in the Son of God after His arrival.
People who make statements like you have hear show nothing more than emotional insecurity in that they are afraid to face facts and prefer their religion of naturalism over reality.
God is the greatest lie we are fed with, indoctrinated with, in the name of religion. Once you realize it, there is really no God but just us. We'd value our kind, our space much more.
The lie you have been fed is to believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner....that you are self-justified. Only God is self-justified.
Are you kidding? You really think that eliminating God from the thoughts of mankind will bring peace and harmony to the world? Do you know what Communism is? It's the fruit of your silly belief in the goodness of human hearts.
ALL conflicts are due to beings in a state of contrariness toward the Holy Law of God. If people were not violating God's law, there would be no conflicts.
The first conflict against God was led by Lucifer, whose name was changed to Satan when he by his own choice became adversary toward God. You are engaging in that same conflict, but claiming ignorance as your excuse. You can't make God go away by saying He is not there. You can't make yourself exempt from Hell by saying God did not prove Hell is real before He let you end up there. God speaks, you don't have to listen. God loves you and lets you go your own way. He does not want robots...you are free to follow your dying all the way to Hell saying you know God does not care and Hell is no harm to be concerned about. Your dying will continue in Hell the way you want it, with God giving you your freedom to curse Him forever, and you forever unable to know what you say you can't know now...His love. You CAN know God loves you if you will believe He loves you, but you won't, will you? No maybe about it, is there? You KNOW you are free from Hell forever, don't you? Sure.
The lie you have been fed is to believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner
A lie is something that is told. Not a realization. That God doesn't exist is not a lie that is fed but common sense or rationalization.
Only God is self-justified.
How is God self-justified? I exist, you exist. That is self-justified. Are you telling me, something you do not see, or have read about in million different books, of different languages, cultures all claiming authority over the power of God is self justified?
You really think that eliminating God from the thoughts of mankind will bring peace and harmony to the world?
What has the presence of God in the thoughts of mankind brought?
Do you know what Communism is?
Not Atheism. A political system based on power dynamics.
It's the fruit of your silly belief in the goodness of human hearts.
It is the result of faulty tyrannical structures. And it exists in every ideological or religious platform. Your advocacy for religion or God hasn't proven otherwise either.
God is God. He created you. He is the only One who needs no justification because He is self-existent and cannot lie. You have lied and are guilty, deserve to die, and need to be justified to live. You cannot justify yourself.
Your existence is in dying because you were born into sin. You lost your innocence of infancy and you know you are guilty. You might not want to admit your guilt, but you are no different than me. We have all broken God's law, all sinned against Him, and none of us is justified to live, none of us deserves one more heartbeat or breath of air from God, all of us deserve to burn in Hell and it's only God's mercy which has kept us out of the fire.
God gives life. He allows you to live outside of Hell temporarily as a sinner. He wants you to have eternal life, to be saved from your sin so you can be pardoned from being imprisoned in Hell forever to keep your sinning forever separated from the Living God and His Heaven.
I don't have to prove anything. If I did have to prove anything to you, then I would be as good as dead now (which we all are anyways, though I am forgiven and have eternal life) because I can't prove to you anything that you will not believe. No matter what it is, if you wont' believe it is what it is, then I can never prove to you that it is what it is. I don't really know, but it seems to me that even after a hundred thousand years of burning in Hell, people will still refuse to believe that it is forever, they will keep thinking it has to end sooner or later.....at least in brief moments of their torments, I think it will flash through their minds that surely it has to end sometime and they will be forever forced to admit that it's not ending.
You think you are making God go away by saying He is not there, and you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell based on the fact that you now exist outside of Hell. You are being held captive in death, the prison of Hell awaits you are not pardoned by God, and Jesus Christ will be your Judge...the one who's blood you are trampling under your feet after He died in your place to save you from Hell.
Common sense or rationalization? Rationalization is subjective to your own thoughts and feelings and you can rationalize things that are completely unreal and untrue so that you can believe they are real and true. Don't you see the holes in your own logic? You are a sinner who needs to be saved from Hell or you will be lost forever.
You have lied and are guilty, deserve to die, and need to be justified to live. You cannot justify yourself.
What have I lied?
You lost your innocence of infancy and you know you are guilty.
I'm guilty of having gathered experience of life? I don't understand. If I was meant to lose the innocence of infancy, how am I guilty?
none of us deserves one more heartbeat or breath of air from God, all of us deserve to burn in Hell
Why are we born then?
it's only God's mercy which has kept us out of the fire.
God's mercy keeps us safe from terrorism, from natural disasters, from terminal diseases? If all of us are sinners, how come a part of the population is subject to the wrath of God here on Earth? How come infants die early deaths? How come people for no fault of theirs are born into poverty and hunger?
I don't have to prove anything. If I did have to prove anything to you,
What are you trying to do then?
You think you are making God go away by saying He is not there,
Why? Tell me why I'd wanna make God away by saying he isn't there unless I believed he isn't there.
you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell based on the fact that you now exist outside of Hell.
No... I do not think that.
the prison of Hell awaits you are not pardoned by God, and Jesus Christ will be your Judge...
Is it a different punishment in case I'm Buddhist or Hindu or Muslim? Or you're implying Christ alone is the redeemer?
Rationalization is subjective
And your belief that Christ is the saviour is the only Truth?
You are a sinner who needs to be saved from Hell
I can't wait for hell until death, I think I'm and most of us are really battling it here right now.
Why don't you ask God to show you what you lied about? To start with, if you say you have not lied I know you are a liar. You are guilty because of the things you have done, and you are guilty of lying to say you are innocent. We are born because God wanted us to be born. God brought us into existence because He wants us to have eternal life and be in His Heaven forever as His beloved children. God brought you into existence for His own pleasure, but you are going against Him and incurring His wrath. Your dying should tell you that you need to be saved. God is trying to save you or your time would be over and you would be lost forever dying.
I'm not trying to prove anything, I simply enjoy talking about the Truth, Jesus Christ is the Truth. You have to see it for yourself, and if you do, then it's God who proved the truth to you and not me. It's God you are fighting against, not me. He could take me to heaven at any moment, but I believe wholeheartedly that He leaves me here as His means of reaching people like you. Maybe the ones He knows will believe are reading this. Maybe not. Maybe you will never believe, maybe you will believe.
To me it's like fishing. I put some bait on the hook, toss it out, and wait for a bite. If I only get nibbles or bait stealers, or nothing at all, it doesn't really matter. I'm fishing if I catch fish or not. I enjoy fishing. I can't prove to the fish that the bait is good and it's worth it to get hooked on, but if they will receive the bait which is God's love revealed in His word, then He will pull them up out of the miry clay of the world they live on and put them in a new water, and He will be in them a well spring of water overflowing, springing up to eternal life, living waters.
Jesus Christ is the Truth. He is God. He is the way, the truth, and the life. There is no other way. You can't have two opposing truths. There is One Truth, and others who say they are true while they deny the Truth are liars. This is all simple common sense objective reasoning. God wants you to reason together with Him and agree with Him so you can know His mercy and be saved from Hell.
No matter how bad things get in this world, you are not in Hell here. Hell has nothing good which would indicate God is merciful, kind, loving. Here you have sunshine, air to breathe, water to drink. God is good to all, even to those who hate Him because He is merciful. If you lie against Him and say He does not care, is unkind, unjust, unloving, you beg for His wrath while you go against Him who gave everything for you when He died in your place on the cross, the Son of God sent by the Father...For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. This is the gift of God, eternal life through His Son.
Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, all are trying to redeem themselves. Those religions are lies pretending to offer things they cannot give. They all accuse Jesus Christ of being a liar, they all hate God while they pretend to create their own paths to God. Jesus Christ is what God did for us and it's finished....His work in paying for our sins is finished, God paid with His own blood so our sins can be covered and we can be forgiven. God DID this for us. Catholicism, Buddhism, Islam, Paganism......all those religions are about what you can do to keep yourself going on a path which you can believe will lead you anywhere other than the place of punishment for sin which would be Hell.
People want to believe God is not there because they love the pleasures they get in sinning against God.
Believing God is not there is a make-believe thing in your own mind...you keep telling yourself He is not there over and over and over for whatever reason you can come up with to accuse God of not being good and therefore non-existing because if God is there He is good or He is not God.
If you don't think you have the right to exist outside of Hell, then you must think you do not have the right to exist outside of Hell. If you say you think neither of these things because you believe there is no real Hell, then you are saying you believe you have the right to exist with no Hell, which is the same as saying you have the right to exist outside of Hell if it is real or not.
God's mercy keeps you out of Hell now. If you fall into the hands of terrorists or are damaged in a natural disaster, it is less then you deserve. We all have been separated from God by our sins against Him, and we all deserve to be forever separated from Him in Hell where we can never again know anything pleasant.
God is going to rid this world of evil, He is going to restore it to the perfect paradise He intended it to be when He created it, with no more sickness or death or natural disasters, no more crying,.....if you want Him to do that now, you are asking Him to remove you from this world because you are full of the things God is going to rid His Creation of by confining them in the fire of Hell which will consume and contain the evils forever and only the smoke of their torments will rise forever.
God allows evil to continue in the world temporarily because He is bringing more people into existence, make more people in His own image to be with Him in Heaven forever. You may or may not be one of those people, maybe you will be one of those who forever rejected His mercy and paid for your own sins in dying, forever unable to change the things that you have done, forever unable to make your sins go away, forever unable to stop being a sinner, and forever confined in Hell where your evils can't pollute God's creation any more.
LIFE MEANS GOD IS GOOD. GOD IS THE GIVER OF LIFE. GOD GIVES LIFE BECAUSE HE IS GOOD. The Gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ the LORD. Get honest with God about His right to rule against your sins, confess your sins to Him, believe on His Son in His resurrection from the dead, and ask God in your own words to forgive you and receive Jesus Christ as your Savior. He is real, He is true, He will save you if you will trust Him. He's trying to fish you out of the mud of the world to give you eternal life in pure waters, but you have to trust Him.
There is only one God, only one way to be forgiven, only one way for your sins to be paid for and that is by God Himself. He paid for your sins with His own blood, died for you, and is risen from the dead offering you forgiveness, pardon of your crimes, if you will believe on Him and receive Him as your Savior....
You have to figure this out for yourself, God has to show it to you personally that He loves you, knows you, and died for you to save you from Hell. There is no other way to be saved. Nothing you do can get you to Heaven, God did it all for you when He paid for your sins on the cross. Religious people such as Hindu's or Muslims are trying to earn the right to enter heaven based on their own works. They still have their sins with them, black marks on their soul, making them darkened, separated from God.
Try to understand for your own sake. This is about you, your sins which separate you from God and God's provision of payment for you so you can be forgiven after He paid the debt by shedding His blood on the cross for you, He took your sins to the grave, buried them, rose from the grave free of sin's penalty and offers you the same victory over death. You have to see your need of forgiveness.
The sufferings in this world are because of sin...it's all messed up because of man's sin. Sin made it all rotten, death entered creation through man's sin, passed onto all men, polluted everything so everything dies. We are sinners who need God's forgiveness........
I don't know how to tell you. I don't know if you care about your eternity or if you are only trying to argue. If you will listen and believe God is calling you with tender mercies and loving kindness, you have hope. God loves you. He can make you a new creation, born of His Spirit to be like Jesus in His resurrection, a new body and a new you, the old sinner you will be done away with forever and the new you fully revealed when you see Jesus face to face.
If you don't want to believe, you won't believe. If you want to believe, you will believe and Jesus will save you from Hell.
I don't mean to sound harsh, I'm only trying to warn people who are lost of where they are going. I know I was going to end up in Hell, and now I know I'm forgiven and saved from Hell, I have eternal life, Jesus lives in me, and I'm going to heaven to be with Him forever with everything so good it is indescribable....no more tears, no more pain, no more sickness, no more dying, joy and peace forever, mansions on streets of gold, a river of living water.....we can't see these things, we can't see Hell now, because our sins keeps us in the dark, we are separated from God by our bodies of death which are corrupt from sin.
There are many lying voices telling of ways you can choose for yourself other than believing God personally and knowing Him through Jesus Christ. I'm talking about the gospel which is the good news from God, of Jesus's resurrection, He conquered death so we can live forever. This is true....all can know, you can know. I know, that is why I try to tell others even when they hate me for telling them the truth about our sins.
If you are self-justified, then you can do whatever you feel like doing, whenever you feel like doing it, to whoever you feel like doing it and you are justified and cannot do wrong no matter how much it hurts other people. If you were self-justified, then death would be unjust for you. You are condemned to dying, so you cannot be self-justified. You are self-condemned because of the things you have done wrong. You are not innocent no matter how much you insist your existence justifies your life. If your life is justified, why can it be so suddenly denied from you?
God is not "something", He is someone, the Someone who created you who is a "something". You are trying to put God below yourself so that you feel you cannot be condemned in dying. You're only fooling yourself, and God is not excusing you to let you off the hook. You owe God for every moment of your time, and you will give account to Him of every little secret, every word you have ever spoken, every dirty little deed, thought, imagination. You are not getting off the hook in death, and you cannot justify yourself by saying God is not there.
People need to learn that these myths have real consequences for people who believe in them. It's not just fundamentalist Islam. Fundamentalist Christians do exorcisms instead of seeking mental health treatment, they believe in faith healer my and shun western medicine, and they do these thing to their children. I used to believe that religion was just comforting stories for the emotionally weak but experience has taught me this stuff is dangerous and needs to be expelled from our communities.
Live without fear of being judged after death. Don't live like a slave to someone or some religion. Come out of those fears and live your life to your full satisfaction.
You sound like a serial killer or serial rapist......or maybe a kleptomaniac, or maybe just an everyday pervert who plays around with cheap loose women.
Honestly, I hate when people yell at you for not believing in the same thing as them. I don't believe in God for scientific purposes, and if you don't respect my opinion, I will not respect yours. Just because I'm an atheist does not mean I'm a satanic follower, or any other crazy reasons. And if God happens to be real, he won't send me to Hell for not believing in him, he would if I was a bad person. So, crazy christians, don't respond to this if all you're going to say is I'm going to Hell.
You don't believe in God for moral purposes. You hope to evade punishment in death so you try to get rid of God so you can believe you go unpunished in death, and then you can call death good and beautiful and natural. It's a form of insanity you are practicing...the worst form because you are in total denial of reality.
A good person is not dying. Your body is rife with corruption the same as your soul, you feed your belly as it's falling apart the same as you stroke your ego while you are being cast down in death for your pride.
I believe whole heartedly in God. He has been there, personally through some of my toughest times. That is my belief and I will stick by it. However, I believe in the importance of remembering that we are all individuals. I also believe that God doesn't want us shaming one another. I mean, isn't he the only one allowed to judge? I disagree that throwing my beliefs down other peoples throats are what he created me to do. I respect that some people don't believe in God, as I respect that some people believe in Buddha or that climate change doesn't exsist or that all Christians will shame you if you don't believe in God. We are in a new world. We are meant to be understanding and caring. Isn't that all that God really wants from us?
Are you trying to shove stuff down my throat? If people are engaging in sinful behavior, they need to be ashamed of themselves and stop taking God's goodness and mercy for granted.
If you can't judge the difference between right and wrong, then you have no business telling me or anybody else how to act. It seems you are trying to pass judgement on me, and my guess is that it is because there are things in your life which you know are unholy, ungodly, and you feel guilty so you try to paint me as the bad guy.
If you are a child of God born of His Spirit, you sure are in rebellion to His word and you need to read it and let Him rule over you instead of making your own "new world" rules. God has not changed, He is still holy and he demands holiness in His kingdom. He has the right to make that demand, and He spells it out clearly in His word.
I've argued with a lot of people like you who claim to believe in God but could care less what His word says. I'm not going to waste time in those arguments with you.
God wants holiness from us. Being understanding and caring is not good enough. There are many sinners in all kinds of evil who are understanding and caring....they simply love their sin more than life and could care less what God thinks about it, but toward other sinners they are very understanding and caring as they want other sinners to be understanding and caring toward them as long as they don't care enough to tell them that their sin is wrong.
You know what? If that is what you believe, you go all for it hun. Because this is my belief, and I intend to live my life to the fullest with it. I have always lived with right and wrong set in my ways. I am not preaching perfect. God knows how imperfect I am. But seriously buddy, you need to back off with your judgements of me because I believe in God for a perfectly good reason. He has ALWAYS been in my corner and I am under the belief he has shown me when he believes I am wrong by him. Trust me, I've seen my world crumble for saying a few ungrateful words towards God. I believe he guides me into the direction he wants to see me thrive, in the way he supports all his follows. Go ahead and judge. Because people judge your view of God. But it is people like you who let God down. Good luck hun, you surely need it!
Good luck hun? To start with, I'm not your "hun" and I do not believe in "good luck". It is you who out of nowhere came and started attacking me, and then you tell me to back off?
I'm not judging you, I'm only speaking against anything that is ungodly. If you are indulging in ungodly usage of your time, taking God's mercy for granted, you are going to bring consequences on yourself which are judgements from God against ungodly indulgences. I don't like seeing the effects of sin in people's lives, though it is good to see people who have been corrected from their errors to serve God with joy renouncing past sinful behaviors.
I know nothing of your personal life or how you spend your time, but I think I can pretty well guess by the way you are acting with me....
It sounds to me like you are another of those who claim to know God but do not care what His word says because your feelings are more important to you and are your guiding rule rather than God's word. I'm glad you have a faith that you feel emotionally passionate about, but how do I know that you are His child, that you know without doubt that your sins are forgiven and heaven is your home, when you tell me I'm wrong for upholding His word as the standard which trumps my own feelings about how things should be?
The way God supports His followers is through the blood of His cross, and that way is in fellowship with the sufferings of the Lord.
It is a path of obedience walked in faith knowing our Savior can take us through any trial or suffering caused by sin or any enemy of God. If you really are a follower of Jesus Christ, you will be hated by people who will not repent of their sin and you will suffer persecution. In attacking me, you are joining with the persecutors of the faith. Because of this, I have to conclude that you are living a worldly lifestyle comforting yourself with things of the world which are ungodly...probably ungodly music and entertainments and who knows what else.
Now you can go ahead and be mad at me if you want to. God only wants what is best for us and He tells us how to know it and have it by faith and in reality in His word. You can go with your feelings all you want to. I'll let God's word conform me, and not try to conform God's word by my feelings.
If you want to live your life to the fullest, that's no different than a lost person. My life has been bought with a price, the price of the blood of the Son of God. I am not my own. It's His life now.
I beseech ye therefore, brethren (and you too if you are indeed a sister) that ye present your body a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God.
There is absolutely no evidence that god exists. I do not believe in things for which there is no evidence to suggest probability. This is particularly true when there is reason to suspect that our conception of that thing (in this case god) is conditioned by our genetics and lived experiences, and thus not only a figment of our imagination but also speaking to our inability to conceive of any possible actual greater power with any degree of descriptive accuracy.
This is stupid. Your own existence is proof that God is there. You simply don't want Him to rule over you. You love your sin more than life and it's taking you to Hell and like an idiot you are saying God cannot prove it because He is not there.
Biologists and Anthropologists, chemists--all of those disciplines, do just fine explaining how and why we exist. God is not needed in any of their equations. And if you had even the slightest knowledge in any of those fields, you would easily understand this.
Do you need a god to grow some bacteria in a petri dish at home? The answer is no. All you need is the requisite substances and environment. This analogy is not all that different from how we began, some 3.5 billion years ago.
Can you prove I do not have an invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage. No you cannot. This is Carl Sagan's favorite example of how it is difficult to disprove something, no matter how absurd.
Same deal applies with your BFF sky god.
The Dragon In My Garage
by
Carl Sagan
"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!
"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle--but no dragon.
"Where's the dragon?" you ask.
"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."
You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.
"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floates in the air."
Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.
"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."
You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.
"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick."
And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.
Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so.
You call yourself educated and expect people to believe you can grow bacteria with nothing but a petri dish at home? So you took some baking soda or something, added some dust, zapped it with some kind of ray gun and it became bacteria in your petri dish? You were there when the first bacteria was formed? I know you see millions of planets that have life on them when you are smoking dope, but it's hard for me to believe that even you believe that you can make bacteria when there is no bacteria. You can't grow bacteria unless you have bacteria to grow...and you don't make bacteria, they reproduce themselves. I'm sure you know all of this, but somehow in the depths of your education you forgot that the petri dish must have bacteria added or bacteria will not grow. I really think your basket is missing a few weaves....you say things like this over and over and over, using grandiose phraseology void of consistent logic.
Well, I DO call myself educated in the fields of Biology, bacteriology, as well as virology.
Obviously you know little about the former.
It is the most abundant form of life on the entire planet--all of it combined weighs more than all the humans!! (I will give a link of this if you want). It is also the fastest multiplying life form, bar none, and the easiest to grow. (do you know that you have millions of 'em on every square inch of your skin!)
Luckily for you....95% of them are harmless or even beneficial. We call these "pro-biotics."
Now wonder we all came from them back 3.5 BYA in the warm little Pond, eh?
I'm not impressed. You still are avoiding explaining where the bacteria came from so that they could grow in your petri dish. You talked like you made them appear out of nothing by your own desire for them to be there. That is what you are trying to do with your beliefs, and you insert your beliefs into your studies as a backwards method of pretending to prove that your hypothesis is correct without ever being able to present it as scientifically
observable.
You probably have taken more college biology than me, but even without the college biology classes I did take, by my own enjoyment of understanding physics and natural science as a hobby nothing you say is above my comprehension. This is the folly of people like you, they pretend to be advanced in learning so that the things you believe become your pet insults against people who do not believe you know what you are talking about. You are pretending to know the origin of life when you can't show it to me, you can't make it happen, and your petri dish grows no bacteria if no bacteria are placed there somehow. The bacteria do not emerge out of non-living substances, but you pretend that you know as a fact that they do. You are living in a make believe world and trying to flatter yourself with your own mind, and trying to make others think you are all that when you are nothing but dying except for the grace of God.
Oh...and if you were referring to the Primordial Soup and Abiogenesis when you asked about a petri dish with "nothing"--well, this will help you also...........
The bacteria that grew came from other bacteria. You are acting like they appeared out of nothing when you opened your petri dish.
This is why I think your basket is missing a few weaves. If you won't admit that the bacteria came from other bacteria, and you insist on talking like you grew them when there were none of them to start the growing in your petri dish....maybe you really believe the bacteria came from nothing and you made them grow in your petri dish. This is why I think you do not live in reality.
All you are trying to do is negate God's judgement against you. It's not possible. You are pretending to know things you do not know. You believe things you do not know. I know what I believe because I believe what I know. It is a fact that you can know God personally and know without doubt that your sins are forgiven and you are going to heaven. I know how it is possible, I know God who did it for me and makes it possible for you. You won't know if you insist it's not possible, and that is your own loss. Enjoy yourself while you can if that's the way you want to go out into eternity...did I mention where you are going? How do you know?
You don't know what you are talking about and I'm not impressed with your education. I get a kick out of ungodly scientist who prove by their own studies that their beliefs are impossible, but then they backtrack and reword their statements to say a one in ten quadzillion to the trillionth power odds is enough to make their beliefs true because it all had to happen somewhere in infinity and we are the results of it and it really means nothing but futility.
Your philosophy is so full of holes that you have no ground to stand on...and that is why you have one foot in the grave and the other on thin ice which is melting over the fire of Hell, thinking you have the right to exist outside of Hell not guilty in God's sight as long as you are living.
What you call holes are simply the parts you do not understand. I always back-up my claims with sources and links. You NEVER do the same. Why?
Oh yes! You have NONE. Except your rag of lies and murder called la biblia.
Also, we have never used jargon like "one is quadzillion" or whatever other juvenile and absurd stat you claimed. What made Abiogenesis happen was TIME. Lots of it! Over 1 BILLION YEARS between the time the Earth was formed until first life appeared.
Do you truly understand how massive a number 1 Billion is? Do you?
Listen......
A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency did a good job of putting that figure into perspective in one of its press releases:
A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.
A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.
Why would any sort of Omnipotent Creator like yours take so long? LOL.
Answer: he didn't. Cuz, well, you know, he does not exist.
But time did. And the conditions for life did. And here we are.
Well, some of us, anyway. In the Light of Reason and Logic and Science. Which IS God.
You?
IN the dark, amigo. With your bible, and the voices in your head you call god, And the totally explainable occurrences in your life which you attribute to him. Doubt it? Tell me one thing god has done for you, that cannot be explained to be the product of purely natural or psychological reasons.
Uh huh. Your philosophy has no holes. You have plugged all the holes by believing you have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell no matter what you have said, done, thought, or imagined.
I don't understand your challenge. First tell me if you are living or are you dying. If you are living, why are you dying? If you are dying, how can you be living? Are you both living and dying?
Let's see how long you can pretend to be rational in your thinking.
You are pretending to know things you do not know. You do not know that the universe was not created with vast amounts of distance between the stars, and you do not know that all of the creation was for a while perfect and unchanging until something went wrong to cause it to start falling about so that things are messed up and could appear to support your beliefs in the origins of life. You know what is really messed up? It's your mind, messed up by sin, darkened so the Light of God can't get through and you can't be saved...but God can change except for the only thing stopping Him...your own will power. You are calling for your own death, denying God's judgement against you. God is going to give you what you are asking for when he runs out of patience with you if you will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Your philosophy is full of holes because you are trying to justify your life based on your own existence. You can't justify your life or you would not be condemned to die...and you probably can't admit that you are condemned to die even though you can't get yourself out of it.
God brought me into existence. He used Adam and Eve to do it. You hate that fact because you hate God, so you pretend to have "natural" explanations as you worship your own intellect which cannot give you life. You did not make yourself come into being, your powers of reason cannot give you life or get you out of death. The things I am saying are simple common sense logic, but you are so blind that can do nothing but try to learn more but never reach the truth. You can know the truth and be set free by it if you know Jesus Christ is the Truth.
God saved my soul. He has given me new life, He has made me a new creature. I am forever changed by Him. I could speak of many miraculous happenings when God provided my needs, and tell of many others like myself who know God and have seen Him work in their lives. These things are icing on the cake. Knowing my sins are forgiven and knowing I am going to see Jesus and be like Him in eternal life with Him forever is something you cannot take away from me and you cannot explain by your beliefs in science denying God of his creation.
You would call the miracles I have seen "coincidences" or "natural". I know God answers prayer according to His own will.
I have seen devil filled people like yourself fall silent when I asked God for guidance in speaking. Of course you would attribute that to the weakness of your own intellect, or the weakness of the psyche or intellect of the person who fell silent while I spoke with God. I have seen many things you will not believe so I will not speak of them. You can believe and know God without Him doing miracles for you. When you know Him, things change and you see more and more of Him. You don't know what you are missing because your desire is set on the pleasures of sin, making yourself feel special by your pride with is against God and will get you cast down to Hell if you don't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. God is knocking on your door and you are pretending to not be home because you are hiding in your sins trying to say they are ok or good for you.
Since Hell does not exist, but is an invention of truly evil ealy church founders, used as a scare tactic and method of control and oppression, this is a very easy challenge.
I mentioned you--well, your ilk, in a previous post today. I spoke of how although Jesus had some good teachings, that organized religion and especially what you dip shits call your Christianity has been badly bastardized and skewed. People like you love the IDEA of loving your fellow man, as JC said, but at heart you are clueless and angry misanthropes.
You know what, I tire of your psychotic and silly warnings of hell and sin and repenting. You remind me of thew crazy fuck on the street corner with the gross whiskey gut and the foot-long beard, who is homeless, living off his monthly government "nut" check--that I pay for--and rants psychotically about Doomsday being upon us.
Take it easy there, big boy. After all that spitting and sputtering, you probably need to calm down and find your mop and clean up the floor. Swearing is a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully, and all it does is blow spit all over the place. You are just fighting trying to defend what you believe is your right to be a sinner outside of Hell. You are privileged to be allowed to abuse air cursing where God's goodness can be seen, and testing God's patience in danger of finality of His decision to deny you of your privilege.
You see, your mind is stuck in a short-circuit causing you to think that dying is living when you are destroying yourself in your sin. The pleasures of sin are not worth losing your soul in Hell. Life is better than what you are making it out to be....you are making a mistake and it's only going against yourself. Be a man and stop believing the liars who love sin and death more than they love life.
My science is air-tight with no holes. Equal to doctoral level and far above anybody here on CD.
I do not think I can help you understand if you cannot comprehend even how bacteria forms. You posit that it cannot come from nothing. It has to come from bacteria. This is patently false. Does food have bacteria in it already before it, say, sits out at room tempt too long and then develops it?
No.
I have given you at least two links explaining basic h.s. level Biology and Bacteriology. I doubt you even read them. So you really look like a fool coming back at me with falsities when you are bereft of basic understanding in the subject. And then you have the balls to accuse me of not understanding Biology?
Wow. Nobody everyone around here despises you and thinks you're a deluded Religious zealot and troll. The arrogance and delusion of you people never ceases to amaze me.
But....as an academic and teacher and lover of all things Biology, I will try to explain basic Bacterial genesis and replication once more. Please listen.
OK.....First: the term bacterial growth generally refers to the growth of a group of bacteria rather than a single cell. Single cells generally do not get larger in size, so the term growth refers to the reproduction of cells.
Bacteria most commonly reproduce by fission, the process by which a single cell divides to produce two new cells. The process of fission may take anywhere from 15 minutes to 16 hours, depending on the type of bacterium.
A number of factors influence the rate at which bacterial growth occurs, the most important of which are moisture, temperature, and pH. Bacteria are about 80 to 90 percent water. If too much water passes into or out of a bacterial cell, the cell dies. The bacterial cell wall provides protection against the gain or loss of water in most ordinary circumstances. But conditions may be such as to produce an unusually large gain or loss of water.
For example, if a bacterial cell is placed in a highly concentrated solution of salt water, water begins to pass out of a cell and into the salt water. The cell begins to shrink and is unable to carry on normal life functions. It cannot grow and will eventually die. On the other hand, an excess of water can be harmful to bacteria also. If water flows into a bacterial cell, the cell begins to swell and may eventually burst, resulting in the death of the cell.
All bacteria have a particular temperature range at which they can survive. For a specific type of bacteria, that range can be very high, very low, or somewhere in between, although it is always a narrow range. Most bacteria thrive at temperatures close to that of the human body (37°C or 98.6°F). But some bacteria prefer cold temperatures as low as freezing (0°C or 32°F), and others require very hot temperatures such as those found in hot springs (50°C to 90°C or 120°F to 200°F). The most extreme conditions in which bacteria have been found are around the hydrothermal vents near the Galapagos Islands. The temperatures near these cracks in the ocean floor is about 350°C (660°F), an environment just right, apparently, for the bacteria that live there.
Another factor affecting bacterial growth is pH, the acidity of a solution. Most bacteria require a pH of 6.7 to 7.5 (slightly more or less acidic than pure water). Other bacteria, however, can survive at a pH more severe than that of battery acid.
Finally, bacteria may or may not require oxygen to grow. Those that do need oxygen are called aerobic bacteria, while those that do not are known as anaerobic bacteria. Anaerobic bacteria have evolved ways of using substances other than oxygen, such as compounds of nitrogen, to obtain the energy they need to survive and grow.
There. Does this help? I hope so. It will be my last post on this topic. I will not defend or discuss Abiogenesis with somebody who refuses to learn and out of fear just runs back to his bible and his non-existent make-believe friend when facts begin to disprove the targets and tenets of his faith. (superstition).
I'm not disputing your "science", I'm disputing your beliefs.
As for your claim to education?
Far above anybody here on CD? Yeah, right. You really sound like you believe bacteria come into existence spontaneously when you open a petri dish. They fall out of the air, they are in your breath, they are on your hands. They don't just spring into existence out of nothing when there is food for them.
You don't know where bacteria come from when you open a petri dish, place it on a table, and wait until you see the colonies growing? You really think they came from nothing, and not from other bacteria? And you really expect me to believe you are educated? Because of this, I'm beginning to doubt all of your claims to being educated and thinking you are just pulling copy and pasted junk off the internet when you "teach" science.....with nothing you have "taught" going beyond Biology 101 and I'm still waiting to see enough of your "teaching" to be convinced that you even passed Biology 101. Now I'm beginning to think you are a total fraud here. I've seen them before, known some personally face to face. If I ever do give any personal details about myself, I don't need to make things up.
This isn't even enough data for Biology 101. I know this stuff, and I know what you are leaving out here. The more you talk, the more I think you are a fraud, pulling junk off of the many links you push when you don't even understand the stuff yourself.
Son, you are putting yourself on display way too much. I have yet to see you post anything in Biology beyond 101, and not even enough to meet the requirements of that course. In this post you have left out enough stuff that if I used this material alone for my tests, I would have scored at least two grades lower than the A's I got easily without applying myself.
I am not going to point out what you are neglecting here, I'll just let you keep on talking. The more you talk, the more I think you are a fraud.
Remember, up until this point I said "why should I question your education?" Why should I? Physics, biology, chemistry, math...it all comes easy to me. I ace it all easily, just for fun. I have no desire to be a physicist or biologist, I simply enjoy the stuff. I think you are exposing yourself as a fraud. When you open a can of food which in which all organisms have been killed by heat, radiation, preservatives, or whatever....the moment you open that can, some bacteria probably fall onto the food from the surface of the can. Some may fall out of your own breath. Some are floating in the air around you now. If the environment is not completely sterile, eventually bacteria will get on the food or in the petri dish and colonize if they are not stopped by something else in the environment.
This is the second or third time I have seen you insist that bacteria spontaneously come into existence today. The first time, I thought I had to be misunderstanding what you said, or you were making mistakes in your wording. This time I think you are pretty clear in your belief which is so far removed from common sense that I have to believe all of your claims to being educated are fraudulent and at best you are a reader seeking support for your beliefs...but somehow you never read that bacteria in a petri dish or in a can of food left open on the counter get there from the surrounding environment by means of currents of air or by gravity when they fall from surfaces above the growing medium.
Go on and teach some more so I can see more stuff in which you fail to show enough knowledge for even Bio 101.
wow, you are giving me facts I knew before you were born, which apparently were taught much earlier in school in my day than they were taught in your day......
and that evolution garbage of billions of years was taught on tv, in school, and in magazines to me twenty years before you were born. I do keep up on it because it's amusing....simple minded stuff to believe if you want to believe it.
What a bunch of arrogant punks you puffed up atheists are......God will deal with you on His terms. I have met Him on His terms and you are demanding your own terms with God...demanding that He be gone from you and that's what you are going to end up with in Hell if you keep going your own way.
I asked you to give us ONE SINGLE incident in your life, that you claim your god intervened, and did something for you, that CANNOT be explained by me as being the product of simple, explainable, every day actions. Just ONE!! Good lord, man, you're what? In your 40s or 50s? All those years..all those prayers--some of which you claim your sky god has answered!
And I just ask for ONE time that he did something you think is divine for you. Something that I cannot explain to you that needed NO such super natural intervention.
Also..you continually refuse to address my quotes from the bible on the many evils committed from the Douche-bag Yahweh.
Ergo..since you cannot or DO not put anything on the table that supports even a small idea of your god existing. all that you say to me about hell and sin and salvation and god is meaningless. Less that meaningless.
Remember I said "why should I question your education?" when you insisted that you are soooo educated? I just watched and took notes.....now it's all adding up, I think you are a fraud. I don't even believe you took any college biology classes at all...and if you did take them, you got no better than a C. I got A's. They come easy to me in the sciences and in math. I know the stuff you are posting, and I know a lot more about it than what you are posting......and because of that, I think you are a fraud pulling junk of the internet and pretending like you have formal education when I don't think you even passed Bio 101 with anything better than a C, and I don't think you took any biology classes at all beyond 101 even if you did take 101 and managed to pull a C in it.
I should have known by the way you were insisting you are educated and that nobody should question your education, then you act like you are a "teacher". I think you are a psycho who admired a teacher somewhere along the line and living out some kind of a superman fantasy in which you are pretending to be a teacher you admired some time ago.
I'm even now seriously doubting that you played college hockey as you said you did. You probably live with your parents.......just a punk who never grew up, a long time hockey fan, bitter against your parents or their religion so you feel better by hating God and being atheistic, pretending to be educated like some teacher from back when....probably a teacher who subtly or blatantly pushed atheism with charisma for you to admire and you are posting a fantasy persona here. I think you are a complete fraud.
Also, I know much more detail about how abiogenisis is believed to have occurred than what you have posted. The first time I saw you mention the process which is believed to have happened, the information was so incomplete from the start that without really thinking about it I was beginning to suspect that you were a fraud.
The information you gave on the belief of how abiogenisis occurred discussed not even one tenth of the details I know regarding that belief, and the statements you made in it were so lacking in crucial details...I brushed it off, still giving you the benefit of a doubt thinking you really were educated and were addressing a bunch of people you believed knew next to nothing about the sciences. Most people do not enjoy the sciences and have trouble learning in them. I am not one of those people. I have enjoyed them as far back as I can remember, and it all comes easy to me. I get A's in biology, physics, chemistry with little effort.
The more you talked, the more I was seeing red and yellow flags of your fraudulence but as I am a trusting soul, and don't see education as much of an accomplishment since learning is just a hobby for me, I gave you the benefit of a doubt believing you actually were disciplined in scholastics. I no longer believe that. I think you are a complete fraud.
And by the way...I was hoping to see you talk more about hockey so I could test the veracity of your claims. A buddy of mine was being scouted by three NHL teams as a goalie before he was drafted to Nam. I know enough about hockey that I could probably catch you lying in that the same as I caught you lying about being educated.
I love to talk about hockey and am on two other sports-oriented forums where I do.
I have tried here, but have found nobody interested.
Ask me anything you wish about the sport.
You say you know hockey? Tell me about line changes and what the optimal time is for a coach to institute them. How does specific game situations necessitate which line to use? Why?
How is the NHL coring system flawed? How does the NHL differentiate primarily with International hockey?
What is the best formation to construct when penalty killing? And, conversely, having a one-up advantage on a PP?
How did the term hat trick get its name? (no googling! But I cannot trust you to do this). LOL
Who was my coach at U of M? Whom did he play for? What was my nickname? Who was our top scorer? (I played from '02 till '04).
What is the most often complaint against how good Gretzky was? Who is usually considered to be the nonpareil scorer of the modern age of the NHL?
What does Original 6 mean? (no googling!)
What NHL personal trophy award is considered my many to actually be an insult?
What is the NHL's equivalent of the NBA's "flopping?" How is this called?
Why are PKG's worth their weight in gold?What ARE they?
How did my favorite NHL team's fans get the idea to do what they do after a goal? Why? My team is from the same state I played college hockey. What do these fans do?
Who are arguably the best three teams in the NHL this season?
What is the biggest change in overall team goal scoring strategy in modern NHL hockey, as compared to what it was up till about 5 or six years ago? Why does this suck for the fan?
How has the role of goalies changed drastically over the past decade? Who were the 1st one or two keepers to pioneer this new paradigm.
Name three basic drills most teams do before games.
Thanks. I will wait for your answers
YOu fucked up, bro. I live eat and sleep hockey. And I call you even bigger coward then I already do--if that's even possible--if you do not answer these. And I call you a sinning cheat if you google any of the answers.
See my post about my hockey knowledge and my challenge to you to answer some easy questions I posted. (easy for a real fan or former player, that is. Which probably excludes you.) LOL.
As for your buddy..who gives a shit? Almost-was-but-never-was pro hockey players are as rare as oxygen molecules.
Ten bucks and my left nut say I could skate circles around your buddy in his prime. And as far as acquaintances and NHL aspirations, I have a nephew who is a rookie this year with Calgary. I trained him when he was playing in h.s.
Steve Forseberg is a close personal friend. As is Teemu Selanne. I play beer-league adult hockey on weekends with two former U of M guys. Selanne coached me several times at clinics and said he saw me play in college against his brother and thought I was headed to the NHL.
So what? I never made it and truly don't think I could have. I played one season with the Boise Steelheads of the ECHL (equivalent to AA ball) and tore my MCL. I quit after painful rehab and knew I lost enough speed and mobility that I would never get any further. Thus deciding that the $22,000 per season pay was not worth it the physical gruel. (I was concussed twice in college and twice in the ECL. Also, as most hockey players, lost a couple teeth.)
SO I went back to school and settled for beer-league hockey. Which is fine by me! LOL
Actually, I personally believe that an excellent and very accurate definition of "arogance" would be something like this..........
Arrogance is claiming that there is a personal and loving creator of the Universe who, although he allows thousands of innocents to suffer and die daily, still istens to you and helps you with your problems. And in the case of those born agains, actually chose to spare them from death due to their previously sinful lifestyle. "They Creator of the Known Universe loves me! He really lOVES me!"
And depsite the mountains of evidence that allude to the fact that notihng like this sort of god has ever existed, and depiste the fact that his believers can provide NO evidence or even HINTS of his existence, they still flout their god and tell others, including those far more leanred and obejective than themselves, that they will suffer ewternal troment for not believing in their make believe invisible friend.
Arrogance is continuing in pride, refusing to be humbled. I humbly admit that I have faults, weaknesses, have done many wrong things, committed many crimes God knows of if people didn't figure out what I did, and I deserve to be punished, I deserve to die, and deserve no good thing while God is being good to me and I am thankful to Him for giving me all things so I take the bad and evil with the good and can go through the sufferings and pains by His grace, obeying His command that I trust Him.
You are soooo twisted in your thinking as you try to deny that God is being good to you and you do not deserve anything good from Him. God loves you while you are being evil toward God, puffing up your pride in your arrogance claiming to have the right to be a sinner outside of Hell when only God is giving you time to exist as a sinner outside of Hell....and your time is almost gone now...tick tock, you are being humbled by the clock....but I do believe that even in Hell people will remain arrogant, accusing God of being evil when they realize they can't get out of the fire.
Have you ever been in a real life or death battle, hand to hand mortal combat, not just a silly hockey scrimmage where you lose a tooth or three? Have you ever ran into the battle only because it was the right thing to do so you never hesitated to consider it might cost your life? Have you ever thought that only God preserved your life in a battle?....well, cancel that last question since you don't give God credit for preserving your life now.....but really, have you ever been in hand to hand combat? Boast of it if you have been there, please. You certainly have boasted of everything else you can cram into your posts, along with your shameless perversions degrading your own body and the bodies of cheap cows. Many bags of hot air have never been in real battle themselves....how about you, son? I hope you are not one of those puffed up prancing parading poofs.....I wondered about this the first time I saw you boasting here long ago, picked up enough bits and pieces of info about your life which you are so proud of, and never saw anything indicating that you have really been proven in battle.....I do see that you think you are proving yourself against God, but you are losing that battle son.
Let me give you a little advice, son. Don't show your hand so quickly. Your weaknesses are exposed in your boasting, and remember, God sees it all if you put it on display for others or not. Eventually He will put it all on display for everybody to see, everything you have ever said, done, or imagined; all will be exposed and you will be judged for it, for God's honor to be upheld as He is worthy of all honor....but maybe you really are a battle proven warrior and just hesitant to speak of it....but I doubt that because you sure tell as much of yourself as you can trying to prove how great you are in your dying. God is impressed with none of it as you are trying to take all of the credit when He gave you all of the ability and provisions....but tell me, have you ever been in hand to hand combat, mortal combat, not a hockey fight where your friends or the refs will stop you from killing or being killed so you really don't have to worry about being hurt too badly?
By the way, I see you are promoting my posts a lot lately. Thank you. I'm trying to get the gospel out to as many people as I can before I go to be with Jesus forever, and while you are trying to prevent the gospel I'm sure your self-promoting arrogance will cause some to wonder and seek the truth. If you want to pull people down to Hell with you, you better hurry up and get pulling because you are running out of time, oh child of Hell. I don't know if I'm talking to a man or to a devil....not much difference most of the time.
Biologists know that bacteria come from other bacteria and do not come into existence from non-living chemicals when a food source is placed on the counter. Because you repeatedly stated that you believe the impossible as you repeatedly insisted bacteria today often spontaneously come to life where no life was present before the bacteria, I have to conclude that when you claim to be educated you are a fraud.
Bacteria never do, never have, and never will come to life spontaneously from non-living things. You can believe contrary and hold your breath until you turn blue but it will never happen, has never happened, and is not happening.
You simply do not want God to rule over you. You won't have Him rule over you, so you will have Him rule against you and He is righteous to leave you forever where you want to be, separated from Him, and you will remain in Hell forever if that's the way you want to go out and apparently that is the way you want to go out. Enjoy yourself while you can, and I hope you don't hurt anybody else. Stay away from my children, pervert.
PLEASE READ THIS LINK!! AND PLEASE PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOU CAN WORSHIP SUCH A DOUCHE!! I HAVE POSTED THESE DEEDS BEFORE BY YAHWEH AND YOU HAVE BEEN SILENT OF DEFENDING HIM.
You have made these baseless claims before. I have repeatedly asked you to substantiate them with evidence or logic and you have consistently failed to do so. I have also thoroughly refuted all of these assertions elsewhere, and as you never bothered to respond directly to that analysis I am disinclined to make it again. I will not engage further on this thread with you.
No.....it is your reasoning that smacks of stupidity.
You on one hanbd claim that our very existence is proof of your god.
YET, you steadfastly refuse to admit that the preponderance of evil and suffering in the world, as well as the total lack of ANY hint of god, is NOT proff he does nOT exist.
One one hand you use an observably fact (us) to prove your god (never mind that science can explain this all without him)--but on the other you deny that those same observable facts (suffering, evil, starving children) DON'T DISprove him.
As usual, you deluded christains want it both ways.
Sorry, I just cannnot let that fly.
You are wrong. Your argument is flawed. And lame. And very very old.
Who is talking as if they by their own power live and exist outside of Hell? Who is talking as if they by their own merits deserve better than those who have less or suffer more? Who is talking like they are owed things rather than given the ability to get things? Who is full of pride?
Again, God is being good to you and other than that there is no reason why you should not be suffering the worst evils or illness on earth. You gloat over the suffering you see as if it proves God does not care, then you deny Him any credit for allowing you to not be one of those who you claim prove God does not care. God is being good to you and you are being evil.
God is aware of what is going on and will bring all into judgement. There is coming a day when evil will be forever removed from the presence of the living, and you will be in the evil as you are part of it. Without a new life from God, a new you regenerated by God Himself, you will always be the same evil you, full of pride and arrogance refusing to admit you deserve to die and burn in Hell as a sinner the same as me and everybody else. You think you are all that and more than God, and you are only fooling yourself. You are much more like the devil than like God, and even you have said that yourself. You think you are on the winning side, winning against God, when all you are getting is dying and all you have is being lost as long as you go against God. He is pleading with you to be reconciled to Him, but you are Hell bent on being His enemy and you will get what you deserve in doing so if that's the way you want to go out. Thank yourself for your dying, and thank yourself for losing it all in death, and quit lying to yourself as if you are giving yourself freedom.
Your existence and your dying should be enough evidence, but you wont' believe Hell is real until you find yourself unable to get out of the fire, will you? You are a fool.
You CANNOT show us how Sagan's Invisible Dragon Argument is any different form yours about god. To me, the two are equally real.
Dying is evidence of an organism's culmination in the process of aging, degeneration, and entropy. The cessation of the vital organs due to either a traumatic and impacting physical occurrence--like a car accident or a murder--or due to simply expiring after sustained and chronic usage. (AS in dying of "natural causes" in old age.)
See??? Again..your god is NOT NEEDED to explain ANYTHING!! The Earth, the Universe, US, Life and Death, Nature, etc. Science can handle all that and answer all the questions.
God need not apply.
Well, except for you religious guys, as a comforting emotional placebo.
Yahweh is also a pure fantasy that can never be proven. His followers like you have repeatedly failed to provide even a hint, a modicum, a scintilla of proof of his existence.
Just like the guy with Sagan's dragon in his garage.
I give the existence of said Dragon EXACTLY as much credence as I do your god. Or your risen Jew carpenter.
And that credence--put in numerical form, would look something like this: 0.0000001%
Why did it take you so long to rebut this Sagan fable? And seven with all that time you cannot come up with a better answer than to say it is invalid? Which it most certainly is not.
You fundies, I swear--always way short on proof or reasons but long on groundless claims and circular reasoning. I sure wish you guys would get some new lines. As it stands now you're arguments are so lame and tired so as not even merit replies.
I didn't know there are multiple definitions of rotten, but in a world where marriage and gender can mean whatever you want it to mean, I am not surprised that you claim to have some kind of secret or privileged definition of "rotten".
As for your stupid question about floods, you can answer for yourself and you are probably so dumb that you can't count high enough to figure it out so you will surely get the answer wrong.
I don't know what world you live in, but in reality you are dying in your sins and falling in your pride. You need to be saved before you wake up in Hell.
You will answer for yourself if I want you to or not. You answer to God for yourself if you want to or not. Your answer to me is really not that important, though it is tiresome knowing where you are going with your own way because it's hard to watch people dying. That's why I don't pay much attention to you. I have enough heartache without being overly concerned about your fate when you are practically demanding that God prove Hell is real.
You will answer for yourself if I want you to or not.
Yes, and God (assuming He exists) will judge me far more favorably than you.
You answer to God for yourself if you want to or not.
I unlike you am not afraid of His judgement. Don't you think you should be good person so you have nothing to fear?
our answer to me is really not that important, though it is tiresome knowing where you are going with your own way because it's hard to watch people dying.
You seem to love it very much though. Is this more lies from you?
That's why I don't pay much attention to you.
You should. You have admitted I am right.
I have enough heartache without being overly concerned about your fate when you are practically demanding that God prove Hell is real.
The funny thing is, I also think your stuff is too dumb to ignore. The difference is that I actually point out what it is that you say that is dumb. You don't do that. Interesting.
God will judge you more favorably than me? Why is God making you die? I'm not making you die, am I? Are you sure God is judging you favorably? Are you still alive?
Yes, because I don't break all the rules I claim to follow. Because I don't claim to know better than God. And, because I have never claimed to be God.
God is making us both die, do that is more evidence that He is not treating you more favorably.
I am still alive, and I am living a good enough life that I don't have to find merriment in the torture of others. I have the happiness you said Jesus gives if you believe in Him.
I don't believe I ever said Jesus gives happiness by believing in Him. The devil believes in Jesus and is a liar the same as you are.
Any fool can be happy. Enjoy yourself while you can if you want to, and keep on insisting God cannot prove He is real. You can believe whatever you feel like believing.
"Jesus would make your life better if you believe on Him, He made my life better, satisfying, full of love, joy, peace, hope in God's promises which cannot be denied."
"Jesus would make your life better if you believe on Him, He made my life better, satisfying, full of love, joy, peace, hope in God's promises which cannot be denied."
"Jesus would make your life better if you believe on Him, He made my life better, satisfying, full of love, joy, peace, hope in God's promises which cannot be denied."
"Jesus would make your life better if you believe on Him, He made my life better, satisfying, full of love, joy, peace, hope in God's promises which cannot be denied."
You are saying you want God to prove He is real, yet you will not believe He is real...so what you are really asking for is to be left burning in Hell like an eternal sausage, because that is the only way you are allowing God to prove He is real....and even then you will doubt He is real because you will still blame Him for causing you to exist and not caring enough to relieve your suffering....assuming of course that you will finalize your death saying God did not prove Himself to you.
Really, you're just a cry baby wanting your own way and God is letting you have it because He is good and gives you what you really want.
You are saying you want God to prove He is real, yet you will not believe He is real...so what you are really asking for is to be left burning in Hell like an eternal sausage, because that is the only way you are allowing God to prove He is real....
Pardon me for picking out bits and pieces here and ignoring most of what you say. Your hatred of God is irrational and not much worth replying to. I hope that answers your stupid questions.
Your existence is God's gift, you are abusing yourself to go against God when He created you for Himself to enjoy. All you are doing is negating yourself from life while you try to negate God from ruling over you.
No, to believe and support something with no evidence is purely foolish and on a wide scale extremely detrimental to society. These kinds of debates shouldn't even exist until the affirmative claim (that there is a god) can be proven on some notion.
Yes, everybody should be wasting away like you are. Why should anybody be allowed to say they know their sins are forgiven and they are going to heaven? Why should anybody be allowed to say God is righteous and we need His forgiveness because of our wrongs?
You are a hater, plain and simple. You hate God and you hate people who know Him because you can't get them to shut up without killing them. God loves you. I hope you realize that before the Muslims get hold of your atheistic cowardly neck.
Yeah I don't hate religious people any more than atheists. My problem is purely with religion.
"Why should anybody be allowed to say they know their sins are forgiven and they are going to heaven? Why should anybody be allowed to say God is righteous and we need His forgiveness because of our wrongs?"
People should be allowed to say whatever they want. Its when they start trying to push those beliefs on other people that things get bad. Its when they start killing and prejudicing and dividing society that it gets bad.
Are you tied up, gagged, and being forced to read anything? You are a hater, you hate God, and you hate Christians like me because I claim to know God and stand on His promises, conceding my unrighteousness and affirming His, which means we are both sinners who have gone against Him and we both deserve to die for our evils, and we both deserve to burn in Hell.
The only difference between me and you, the difference which makes you hate me, is that I know my sins are forgiven and I am going to heaven and all sin is evil, yours the same as mine. You love your sin and it's pleasures, and you want to silence anybody who has the nerve to say the things you do are evil. You want God to be gone, and He is letting you have your way in death. The only problem is that you can't evade Hell by saying God is not there and Hell would be unjust for you as a sinner unforgiven.
You're just a crybaby. Nobody is holding a knife to your throat insisting you convert to their religion, are they? I guess the muslims are haunting you.
Secondly, I do not hate god. Why would I hate something which I do not believe exists? I've got just as much reason to hate santa clause, or the tooth fairy.
I don't hate christians as a whole because I have no reason to. My problem is with religion and the problems it poses to society. It is not exclusive to christianity or any other religion, and by extension I couldn't give two fucks about any gods associated with them either. That has nothing to do with the religious.
Your entire argument amounts to "you're going to hell," which by the way, historically christians didn't even believe in traditional hell. Jesus was referring to a place where Romans took people, executed them, and left them there that was called hell when he was talking about it to his disciples. Think a really big pit of bodies. Not the fiery-demon-filled place popular culture has made into an empty threat to non-believers.
This (like everything else you have said) was pulled out of your ass. Hell is not a real place, get the fuck over it. There is no reason to believe that there is punishment for being a "sinner" nor is there an adequate way to define such a word. Additionally, you are going into this debate as if it is atheism vs christianity. There is no reason to believe that christianity is the only alternative. Maybe if any religion has got it right its the hindi, or the buddhists, hell maybe the greeks and romans, maybe the norse. There are currently 4200 active religions RIGHT NOW. Estimates range up to around 28,000,000 when it comes to entire human history. What is it that makes YOUR religion the right one?
I'll take that as a dropped point then. You failed to address the argument so I take it that you don't have an answer as to why Christianity can be the only "right" religion.
"Christianity" (better, Christendom) is a word used by many people for many different reasons, usually denoting a religion. I am not talking about a religion, and really do not care much for using the word "Christianity" as it is far too broad in meaning for most people. When I use the word, or when I interpret your usage of the word, it is always in context of the Kingdom of Heaven, which you do not understand because you are on the outside passing judgement against it rather than looking in with curiosity or living in that Kingdom.
Christianity is the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth in the children of God. It is not a religion, it is reality; God's reality. God created people for Himself, they became like devils when they sinned against God. We are their children, born in their image, sinful. You have to be born again to become a child of God; born of God's Spirit. To be born of God's Spirit, you have to come into agreement with God regarding the fact that you have sinned against Him and do not deserve life; but rather deserve to die and fall under His judgement against you as a sinner...you have to admit that you ARE fallen and need to be saved. You have to believe God loves you so much that He gave His only Son to die in your place for your sins, so that you can be forgiven by Him in His resurrection, and receive Him as your Savior. You can simply talk these things over with God in prayer, believing, and receive Jesus Christ as your Savior now.
God is the Savior. There is no other way to be saved but by your Creator. Jesus Christ is the only way. He is real. He is not a religion. Without Him, you will always be nothing more than Wasting Away by your own choice of going your own way to be king of yourself; rejecting the kingdom of God and not being part of Christianity. I hope this has clarified things for you.
You are not paying attention. Declaring a victory in a argument without understanding or being aware of what you are opposing is silly. Try to pay attention before your time is over.
Are you seriously making the argument that Christianity isn't a religion? I will grant you that inherently being a religion doesn't mean something is false, but Christianity is most definitely one, to say that yours is reality is pretty arrogant. You do realize that yours isn't the only belief system out there right? There are billions of people that don't consider themselves a part of "God's kingdom," and you have failed to provide a shred of evidence as to why they should. Forget the fact that you haven't provided evidence as to why a god exists, lets hear what you have to say as to why YOUR god exists. Why does the Christian god exist rather than gods brought up by other religions? Hell lets bring in the Flying Spaghetti Monster while we're at it, why not that? There's just as much evidence to support either one.
Yes, to say Jesus is God is quite repulsive to religious people such as you. To say you are dying in your sins and being religious in your attempts to justify yourself is not want you want to hear, so you do all you can to twist reality into a religion.
Of course there are many belief systems out there, all of them religious even if they claim to be atheistic. They all offer their followers eventual rest in death or wherever they claim to be going in dying.
You yourself are evidence that God is God and that He created you.
That should be enough evidence for you to know you need His mercy to live in order to escape His judgement of Hell's eternal consummation of sinners in it's fire. As long as you cling to religion, and you are clinging to your own religion your own way, the only answer for you is the fire of Hell and you will insist there is no evidence for it until you find yourself unable to get out of it. I hope you don't end up that way, but that is obviously the way you are going in your sins.
"so you do all you can to twist reality into a religion."
What exactly do you think religion means? I look at reality as, well, reality. You put an omnipotent dictator into the sky so that you get that warm and fuzzy feeling inside, claim to have the ultimate authority on the matter, and fail to provide any proof.
"They all offer their followers eventual rest in death or wherever they claim to be going in dying."
I do not believe that we go anywhere when we die, we lose consciousness, decompose, and aren't there anymore. Additionally, take note that I am saying "I" NOT "we," this is because I have my own personal beliefs that I have formed from what I have concluded. I don't say that anyone else has these beliefs because THEY ARE NOT INHERENT IN ANY ATHEIST.
"You yourself are evidence that God is God and that He created you."
No, I'm not, I am evidence that I exist. The fact that your Bible says something DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE. We evolved into what that which we are today, we weren't "created" by anyone, or at least cannot make the assumption that we are without evidence.
As to the rest of your "arguments," none of them have any warrant or evidence to back them up. There's no point to me debating something that isn't complete (or logical) enough to debate.
I know the dictionary definition of religion, it's not a mystery. In reality, religion is what people do in order to convince themselves that they are good enough to not be punished forever as sinners.
In atheism, the atheist makes himself into his own god who forgives him enough to believe he is exempt from Hell.
All you are doing is hating God and trying to distract from that fact. I don't buy your religion, and God will make you pay for it if you think it is worth it....God loves you and will let you have what you want, a place where it is not possible to know He is good and that is the fire of Hell. You keep on insisting God is not good when He is being good to you all of the time, you bite the hand of God which feeds you, and you can't expect God to put up with it forever except by leaving you in Hell if that's the way you want to go out.
If atheism is not a religion, why do you keep on doing it? What are you doing? Why do you keep going on and and on and on trying to say you are not practicing a religious? For not practicing a religious, you sure are religiously trying to convince me that you are not following a religion. Bow down to yourself and worship yourself now, oh god of you.
You are trying to justify your own life. If you say you are not, I say you are a liar. You are being religious in trying to justify yourself. There is no uses in talking with you if you won't be honest.
How can you say "we evolved" when you did not exist before you were conceived in your mother's womb? You did not evolve, you have always been you from the moment you were conceived and you will always be you. You never were a monkey, and you are not becoming an alien. Earth calling, you are wasting away and running out of time.
Your religion is atheism or naturalism, and it's taking you to Hell as you try to justify your life....
why is reality so hard to accept in your religion?
This is becoming a circular argument on which you hold no grounds to justify. Atheism is not a religion, no matter how many times you say that it will never become true. Atheists hold no inherent beliefs, only those personal to them. I do not hate any gods because I do not see them to exist, hating them wouldn't make sense. As to evolution read a fucking book, there's enough biological evidence alone to have you studying for the rest of your life the stuff we already know without even cutting into the archaeological evidence for it, no one evolves in their mother's womb that's ridiculous. As a brief explanation; If something has a particular trait that is favorable to the rest of its species for some reason, (ie longer legs, sharper claws, better vision) it will have a better chance of surviving to reproduce. If/when that animal (or any other living thing) reproduces, it will pass its favorable traits onto its children. Over a long, long time, eventually the entire species of that animal will have that small trait, making it overall more successful. Over a much longer time, all those small changes add up to much bigger ones, until eventually the species has changes enough to become something else entirely. Something with better traits for survival. I hope that was educational for you.
The fool hath said in his heart, "there is no God.". Corrupt are they, they have done abominable iniquities. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. There is no wisdom, nor counsel, nor understanding against the LORD. You are fighting a losing battle and losing your soul and you will wake up in Hell if all you want to be is wasting away the way you are.
The fool hath said in his heart "Maybe he won't call out this ad hominem"
"You are fighting a losing battle"
Then please explain to me the "battle" which I have lost without spouting preachy bullshit. As to the rest of that mess, you have failed to address a single fucking point that I have made, instead sitting there talking about a fictional place that I will be sent to by a fictional character, in the fictional frame of reality that you seem to live in.
Do I ever what? I'm sorry, I didn't get past the first few words. If I saw the comment was from you, I would not have even read the first few words. I accept the fact that you are wasting away and enjoying it as much as you can and you don't care where you are going.
Cuz if you're speaking of a caring, personal, Theist sort of god, a biblical type, who is endowed with absurdly human emotions like the petty, jealous, and murderous Yahweh of the Torah, then my answer is a resounding "Fuck No!"
LOL.
But if you speak of a non-personal, non-intervening-in-human-affairs (except perhaps as a sort of Universal Mind that might be able to be tapped into)--that is, a Deist sort of entity that is more science, like an Energy Field, than human like Yah-Yah--I would answer. "Probably not. But there could be a slight chance."
On tis latter type of Creator Force I would give a 10% (at best) chance of existing.
Chances of a biblical God existing: 0.001% (that's 1 in 100,000)
Chances of JC having been god, or even physically resurrected from the dead and then ascended to heaven to sit with Dad. (or himself, I get confused! LOL): 1 in 100,000.
Chances of my aforementioned Impersonal Universal Mind, that perhaps drove the Evolutionary Process instead of random genetic mutations and selective inheritance: about 1 in 100.
You cannot disprove let alone understand any of my science. Fraud? Please. I have never told even the slightest untruth insofar as my education here on CD. And you know this. But now you are engaging in the oldest trick in the book: attacking the attacker. Pathetic, you are. I have pretty much shot down ALL your argument for god, asked you questions you CANNOT answer, made you look pretty pathetic.
Doubt me?Ask anybody? Do a survey you brain-dead moron. Let's go! Think I do not Biology? Let's debate! Shall we speak of how your Creationist Irreducible Complexity has been debunked? Shall we speak of other flaws found in Nature which allude to Evolution and NOT a perfect Creator? Want to discuss Junk DNA? Cellular metastasis? Over-population of certain species in limited geographical environments? Or even our flawed brains and how it has been exactly mapped and proven to have been evolved from the primal level at the brain stem and amygdala?
Let's go, zealot. Maybe, just maybe you will even address this challenge. I highly doubt it. You have NEVER met ANY challenge I have given you. Or answered ANY question. You are the worst debater here. The least credible. Again, ask anybody.
Are you as bug a loser in REAL life as you are on CD? Please be honest with yourself. I am guessing you are living alone, old, fat, and subsisting on government checks. MY tax dollars. Your only friends are in your church. And down at the SSDI office.
Tell me I am wrong.
Let me know about discussing ANY science. Post-grad level? Ask me anything. But only if you want to learn. Which I am sure you do not. Your bible comforts you as a juice bottle comforts a retarded newborn.
A "god" is an idol, something or someone other than God who is worshipped, served, or feared. You are a god to yourself, and other atheists are gods to themselves. Allah is a god much like you though Allah has a much larger following than you do. You present yourself as a teacher, as if you are a higher god helping lesser gods to become strong in pride like you. Allah is much the same in doing what you are doing. Satan too.
The thing about God you are desperate to deny is His righteousness. You have to deny that He loves you so that you can accuse Him of being cruel to others as well as to yourself. You have to accuse Him of doing wrong or failing to do right so you feel excused for hating Him. You ignore the fact that you have the same frailties as a sinner by which less fortunate people than you are denied of many of the comforts and pleasures you are proud of....gloating in your "success" as if it is by your own power that you "succeed" rather than by gifts of the world around you and gifts of abilities which have enabled you to do anything.
Your mind is twisted in evil and you love your sin more than life, so what else can you do but enjoy it as long as you can believe you are free of punishment in death and there is no Hell?
All you are is hot air in a pile of wet dust trying to impress yourself and others when all you have and all you are is a gift from God which may be denied at any moment....and the way you talk against God, I would not be surprised to see Him knock you down hard. It would not be the first time I saw somebody like you fall. You will fall, willingly or unwillingly. The only difference between you and me is that I saw I deserve to fall and I fell down before God in need of mercy, and believed on His Son who is the payment for my sins, and my sins are covered by His innocent blood so God sees me as justified, forgiven. You are in your sins, proud, dead in your sins, and in danger of the fire of Hell and being a fool.
All of your science is practical and valid without believing the insertion of past billions of years and evolution of life forms which emerged out of non-life. You do not need any of that stuff for practical science or technological development. All that junk is nothing but pride against God, arrogance at it's core, stinking self-righteousness that does nothing but propel you away from God's goodness and if you won't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ you will end up in Hell where it will be impossible for you to believe God is good because all signs of His goodness like the air you breathe, the sunshine and rain you enjoy, and the water which cools your tongue will be absent.
You don't have to believe what I'm telling you, God loves you if you believe it or not. God knew every detail of your life before you were born, and He knew the evils you would do and have done before you did them. God has every hair on your head numbered as are your days. God loves you still in spite of the fact that you are trying to paint Him as being uncaring. God does not want you to be lost in the fire of Hell. God wants you to enjoy eternal life with Him, to have a new body like Jesus' resurrected body, free of pain, suffering, sickness...but you want what you have I guess, dying forever. That's all you know I guess.
I don't believe in odds and chances. I do not gamble. You are the one gambling, and you are playing a losing bet...can't you see you are losing everything in your dying? It's not rocket science we are talking about, it's plain common sense. You are dying and need to be saved to have hope.
Santa seems to be much nicer. A lump of coal is much nicer than damnation and I've never heard of people being killed in his defense, or for not believing in him. Santa gets my vote.
"God created the Earth in six days, and on the seventh, he rested."
Well, today we know that there are stars and planets 15 Billion light years away, BILLIONS of them! Whew! HE must have done a LOT of "resting"! Since many of them are hundreds of times larger than Earth, he must have needed to rest hundreds of times while building each of THEM! C'mon! Grimm's Fairy Tales are easier to believe!
God is bigger than the universe. Your imagination is not big enough to comprehend God. You are tying to make yourself bigger, smarter, stronger than Him and He will cast you down to Hell the same as Satan. You're just being a devil trying to get others to follow you in rebellion for the pleasures of your sin. Your playing a loser's game, you are going to lose everything if you don't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
No. I am NOT trying to get anyone to "follow me". I would NOT knock anyones right to believe. I simply do NOT. All I need is some PROOF that is believable, that makes sense, and I would gladly believe. I have NEVER seen any.
You can't help marking ME as a "devil" simply because YOU have been convinced. To me, if there is a "god", he is guilty of gross mismanagement of his "creation". What kind of boss doesn't show up when his company is falling apart? When his "workers" are being killed? When there is confusion about just WHO is "boss", WHO makes the rules, WHAT his REAL name is?? What his REAL policies are? Was Jesus his SON? Or was he just a prophet, as the Muslims believe ... and a second rate one at that. If you want to run the company, SHOW UP! THAT will earn you the respect of everyone!
You are trying to justify yourself and you are trying to persuade others to believe that you are justified and that they are justified the same as you. Try to be honest, you can't fool God.
I am tired of you not being able to answer my scientific points. All you do is engage in circular logic: "It must be truer because my bible tells me so!"
LOL.
So I have formally challenged you to a private debate on Evolution.
Your points are not scientific, they are beliefs. Your problem is philosophical. You think you are self-justified because you did not choose to exist but were brought into existence by things outside of your control, things ordained by God to allow you to come into existence.
I could objectively counter all of your arguments, was able to do that before the internet was invented. Anybody who really wants to know the truth can know it. You won't believe the logical and easily supported counters to your "scientific" (pseudo-scientific in reality, nothing new, the Bible calls it "science so-called") arguments because you are clinging to a vain philosophy of being justified by your own existence, believing God cannot hold you accountable for the things you have said, done, thought, and imagined in every moment of your time. You are being a fool, God will bring you into judgment before you are cast away forever into the Lake of Fire like a stinking rotten piece of meat, corrupt in your sin, and you will fry like an eternal sausage in Hell if you don't get saved from it before it's too late. All can be saved, but few will be because they, like you, are too stinking proud thinking they are as good as God. It's just plain stupidity, the things you believe, and because you are so nasty there would be nothing wrong with me leaving you to wallow in your mud until the fire of Hell dispels the water from your cells and there is nothing resembling life in you any more.
You are not making scientific points. You are trying to make points in order to keep yourself fooled into believing you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner. I'm not going to get into point by point arguments with you about your "science" because you will not listen to reason and will only jump from one rabbit trail to another when I show your points are wrong or can be explained equally well or better from a different viewpoint. I've argued with people like you for hours.....and I have embarrassed professors with simple questions which force them to admit there beliefs are flat out wrong or crazy and in those instances the whole class knew it....but then they would go right on spouting their insane philosophical beliefs trying to make death out to be something good, and life out to be nothing but a process we go through with nobody to answer to for an excuse to live.
You just keep throwing up smokescreens of web-links as if that is supposed to impress people. Maybe that kind of stuff impresses you. I am not impressed. This is the information age, I don't need you to teach me......in fact, you have nothing to teach me since I am not interested in becoming a physicist or biologist even though I thoroughly enjoy reading in those sciences.....You are just throwing around a lot of junk beliefs and trying to push them off as scientific by lacing them with observable scientific facts.........and why are you doing this? Is it not that you want perverts to feel ok with being perverts so you feel excused for being a pervert and you can have more fun with people the more you can get people to believe it's ok to forget God and be perverted? That's what they are doing to you making you believe the junk you believe....using you, and making you feel good and proud about it, and teaching you how to use others and make them feel good about it...being proud in your sin. And by the way...your cow is not worth much if it's only good for milk and you don't have to buy the cow...and you take the milk without buying the cow, so that makes you not only an adulterer but a thief as well..........but I'm sure you both love each other and are united as one flesh in the act of matrimony without the ceremony...or are you just a hotdog?
How do you know they were not formed with billions of light years of space between them? Were you there billions of years ago?
How do you know they were not formed with great distances between them, all perfect and none failing, until something messed it up and caused it all to start falling apart, with pieces of it hitting the moon causing craters and other pieces causing craters on your face and in your brain?
Again...your lack of scientific understanding is apparent.
We know how the galaxies formed and expanded due to something called the Red Shift. We know the composition of the stars through a method called gas Chromatography. I am not going toe explain either to you now, as I do not have the time nor the inclination to give a zealot a lesson in Cosmology 101. You won't listen anyway. (But I will give you a link that explains all this).
But suffice it to say that the Doppler Effect Red Shift, as well ac Hubble' Constant, as well as the fairly recent discovery of Dark Energy, ALL of these show us in clear and irrefutable terms that the Universe is expanding, and has been for billions of years. The galaxies could not have been created with these cast distances between them, or they would be farther apart now, due to the aforementioned Red Shift.
You are also a hypocrite!!
Why do I say this?
Because you zealots embrace science every singe day: you use it, you love it; your life is far more better for it. Science is responsible for the computer you type your absurd posts on; the car you drive; the utilities in your house that keep you warm and cool and hydrated; the medicine you take; the care your doctor gives you, etc.
You question NONE of it. You do not know how electricity REALLY works, how the it is a flow of electrons and how can it be that you can get electrocuted by a 120 volt outlet in your house, but yet: a typical static electricity shock from when you touch that door knob on a dry day can deliver 10,000 VOLTS!! (I can tell you this if you wish).
But, yeah, so you embrace all this science, yet it when it comes to the science which shows your bible to be wrong and your god to be non-existent, all of a sudden you deny it. Claim we don't know what we're talking about.
Like a frustrated 10 year old with an algebra book, who cannot understand it and throws the book down saying, "This stuff is crazy, it makes no sense!"
I of course was not present when the Galaxies formed. Since this process began some 13.7 Billion years ago with the Big Bang. But from decades of study, observation, and experimentation, as well as space probes and detecting the residual CBR (cosmic background radiation) from our COBE satellite, we now have a damn accurate Timeline of Galactic and Universal Formation.
It went something pretty damn close to this...
0: The Big Bang. Time and space are created. (We can begin at 10^-43rd of a second AFTER IT! That number on a super accurate stopwatch looks like this: 0.0000000000000000000000000000043
10-43 seconds: Gravity separates from the three other fundamental forces (electromagnetism, and the weak and strong nuclear forces). This is the earliest time that theoretical physicists have probed so far. The strong force and electroweak forces become distinct soon after.
10-35 seconds: The universe expands, undergoing a spectacular acceleration known as inflation. This process takes tiny regions of space and blows them up into much larger volumes, ironing out any wrinkles in the process.
10-6 seconds: Particles gain mass. The electroweak forces break down into the electromagnetism and weak forces we observe today. Sub-atomic particles gain mass.
1 second: The first composite particles. Protons and neutrons form from a very hot soup of quarks and gluons.
3 minutes: The first elements (mostly hydrogen and helium) form. The universe expands and cools so fast that heavier elements don’t even have a chance to be created.
380,000 years: The universe’s temperature drops enough for the protons and neutrons to begin capturing electrons. Also, for the first time, light travels freely through space, and the fog of the early universe clears. This light is still detectable today as the cosmic microwave background.
30 million years: Stars first appear in the universe. Computer models suggest that the first stars may have formed at this point, along with the creation of heavy elements.
200 million years: The Milky Way forms. The Earth’s home galaxy was formed not long (well, in cosmic terms) after the first stars.
9 billion years: The Earth’s solar system forms. The disk of material left over after the formation of the Sun begins to get clumpy.
10 billion years: Life on Earth begins. The effect of harsh solar radiation and lightning on a primordial soup of organic material may have kick-started life.
11 billion years: Oxygen accumulates in the atmosphere of the Earth. The essential gas for animals to breathe appears for the first time.
13.5 billion years: Early humans evolve in Africa. Modern humans first appear on the continent and colonise the rest of the planet.
13.7 billion years: You check out this list. The origins of the universe are explained!
Now then...ya probably noticed your god was not a part of this Equation.
Why?
Because he isn't needed!
Now you have an idea of how we got here, without the fantasy literature and biblical fables!
You are cussing here, and I will not respond to posts in which you are cussing (I'm becoming better at ceasing to read after the first profanity in the post). It's abusive bullying behavior...fighting words. You have to drop that stuff with me or you will never know who you are talking to.....and if you always act that way with everybody, you're only going to accumulate enemies. Some people are more psychotic than you want to find out. Cursing only begs for a fight, is unprofessional, and shows intellectual weakness. You can do better.
Exactly how do you know Jesus was born to a virgin woman? Were you there to observe and do a medical exam? How do you know the Bible is the actual "Word of God"? Did you witness the writing and publishing of it?? Where were you when it happened?
I know the Author of the Bible, He is God. You can know Him also, but you won't, will you? You think you have the right to exist outside of Hell (if you believe Hell is real or not does not matter, you think you have the right to exist with no Hell on you either way), and you are good the way you are, right? Correct? Yes or no, please.
Jesus was born of a virgin, not "to" a virgin. He came into the world to save sinners, He did not come into the world to be the son of Mary the virgin. I think you are confusing Catholicism, a religion, with Christianity which is living in Christendom, the Kingdom of Heaven, knowing God in eternal life.
You are lost, blind, dead in your sins and need the Light of God who is Jesus. Jesus is the Light of the world, the Word of God, and you can be saved from Hell by Him and have eternal life now...but you won't, will you? You think you are good the way you are, don't you? Dying like a fool........and good....yeah, right.
"Of"..."To". Do you see why the interpretation of the "Bible" (which means "Little Library"), can be SO wrong? The Emperor Constantine and his zealots took all the Scrolls, tablets, inscribed walls, etc. (Many with missing pieces), and tried to put all this scattered data together to make a book. It was all in ancient Hebrew or Aramaic on stone, papyrus, hardened mud etc. much of it obviously fragmented or unreadable. The languages were ancient even in his time and now it is being interpreted into "ancient" Koine Greek, hand written with the "gaps" filled in as he saw fit, copied by hand several times, then, again, translated into Latin, copied by hand several times, then translated into Elizabethan English and PRINTED, with opportunities for error at each and every step. Now it reads like a bad acid trip, and I suspect it always did.
If YOU can find a difference between OF and TO in MY writings, imagine how many differences in interpretation were in those many ancient language translations when ONE WORD seems to make all the difference!. You even find a difference between Christians who worship Christ and Catholics who worship Christ ....Christians are SO confusing! Then again, Muslims hold Christ in high esteem too. Got to be the same god, don'cha think??
You don't believe in Zeus or Thor or Neptune or Caesar or Mars or Venus or Sun Ra, the Hindu gods, the Buddhist gods. You reject a thousand "gods". Why would you object if someone rejects a thousand and ONE??
Constantine started the Catholic Church in an attempt to consolidate the crumbling Roman Empire. He declared himself to be a Christian, and declared his church to be the only legal church. Catholicism is not Christian, it is a blend of pagan ritual with Bible characters. Catholicism is a religion from Hell. It's fake Christianity.
The manuscripts used in place of the Bible by the Catholic church are fake, fraudulent, altered by people who rejected the faith of God. There has always been preserved copies protected by saints at all costs, supported by God, to keep His word pure.
The rest of your junk I'm not going to respond to. You are a dying sinner who needs to be saved, and you are rejecting God's offer of forgiveness through the atonement offer of His blood on the cross shed to pay for your sins. You want to pay yourself for your own sins, go ahead and see where it gets you. There is only one Way out, only one Word of God, and His name in English is Jesus Christ and the Bible is His word. The Risen Savior will be your Judge and not your Savior if that's the way you want it, and by the way you are talking that's what you want.....so enjoy your sin while you can, because you're going to wake up in Hell......and I honestly hope you prove me wrong but the only way to do that is to believe on Jesus Christ in His resurrection, and you won't, will you? I don't think so.
God is the Father, Jesus is God the Son conceived in a virgin by God the Holy Spirt. It had to be a virgin because sin is in our genes, causing death. The Son of God had no sin in Him. He could not be God if He were born of sinful parents. Anybody born of sinful parents is a sinner. God Himself became a man to pay for our sins so we can be pardoned as our crimes against God have been paid for in full by the One who owed nothing as He was entirely innocent. God loves you that much, that He died for you. There is no greater love than for a man to lay down his life for his friends, but God gave Himself in death for us when we were His enemies. There is no greater love. You can believe it, you can receive Jesus Christ as your Savior, He is knocking at your door and you can answer and receive Him. He will come in to you, and you will enjoy the company of God Himself in the Holy Spirit of His Son. You can know Jesus is alive, risen from the dead, and living in you by His Spirit. You can be born again today, a new creation created in Christ unto good works.....a new you born of God's Spirit to grow up to be like Jesus, the same as Jesus was born of Gods' Spirit and was God as He grew in full revelation of His glory.
The Bible is God's word because He loves mankind and wants us to know and understand Him, to love Him as He loves us though His love is perfect and we will always fall short while in our bodies of death. God gave His word, used people to write it down and preserve it for us today. Jesus is the Living Word of God, the Bible is His written word, and there is only one translation authenticated by God through the blood of martyrs he chose to bring His word into English, and authenticated by continents and nations changed by the gospel in English, The Great Awakening, The Walsh Revival......so many miracles, lives, nations, continents changed by the power of God's word....the King James Bible is God's word in English. The original writings are lost. God made sure His chosen people kept accurate copies in spite of devilish people throughout history trying to change things to make a god their own way instead of submitting to the Living God, loving His judgements, trusting in His love, accepting and believing His word.
It's all about believing God. God loves you. You can believe it and know it. You won't know it if you wont' believe it. You will know it if you will believe it, but it will change your life forever and in the deepest place of your heart, ruled by the Spirit of God, you will hate sin, your own sin and all sin, and you will desire purity of love in holiness compatible with God.....and you will probably leave some old friends in the dust because that's where they want to be.
You have said nothing of science that is unfamiliar to me as science, physics, cosmology is pleasurable reading to me as a hobby. The latest findings and discoveries (at least the ones not kept secret by higher authorities) are published in magazines and on the internet. Nobody needs you as a teacher, it's all at our fingertips. I enjoy reading ungodly scientists for two reasons...first, I am fascinated by nature in all life forms and in the tiniest particles and the energies in and around them...and second, I get a kick out of ungodly scientists acting like they are amazed I having more stuff to support their beliefs when they admit they don't really know enough to prove what they believe. I simply won't discuss the topics with you because it's a waste of time. Tomorrow you might be burning in Hell, and today may be the only time you have to know God's goodness while you can see He is being good to you. You act like you created everything and built yourself and your life when it's all a gift from God and apart from Him all you have is dying and will be destroyed in the fire. Even your own physics beliefs tell you that everything you know is going to be gone in fire eventually, but somehow you can't believe God is making it happen His way in His time for His purpose. The whole universe is going to be changed. God is going to fix it all, and if you don't want Him in your life then your life will be void forever in the fire of Hell and all your boasting against God will be gone.
You can be saved now and have a whole new attitude, a whole new nature, a life of hope, joy, love, peace, things which no pain or loss or suffering or sorrow can take away. God gave me those things and He can give them to you but you are clamping your fists saying you are too good for God.
The Bible doesn't specify a timeline. God actually transcends time because humans created time and the notion of time. Six days to God could be billions and billions of years to us.
The Bible does specify a timeline. You either believe God or you believe people who claim to know more than God because they believe their own imaginations.
The timeline clearly spelled out in the Bible, and the history of the descendants of Noah clearly shows the migration of peoples and tribes and nations and supports historical population numbers when growth is calculated from the time of Noah with lifespans as told in the Bible.
Jesus quoted Moses as being authoritative, and referred to Adam and Eve directly and not figuratively. The generations given in the lineage from Adam until Jesus were specific. Some fools, and sadly, some Christians will imply that Jesus had good teachings while they imply He was either a liar or lunatic or both because He referred to the Bible as inerrant and literal, and He claimed to be the Son of God equal to and always with God the Father.
If you compromise to allow for worldly beliefs of unspecified timelines, you are opening reasons for doubt regarding God's character and the veracity of His word. When people who claim to be Christians do this, I have to seriously question if they are sure their sins are forgiven and they are going to heaven because their compromising beliefs imply God's word is confusing and unclear.
God create all things by His word, by His will. They were created when He said they should be created, in an instant exactly as He said. Sin has permeated creation and it's all messed up. God is going to fix it, He is going to have what He had in the beginning, and evil will be forever purged from it separated from Him and His people by the ever-consuming fire of Hell burning like the passionate self-centered desires of sin against God's goodness, where those who refused to believe God is good while they could have will never again have reason to believe God is good because there will be no good thing for them to enjoy..and that's what they deserve for rejecting God's goodness. God runs out of patience with people who will not believe He is good, they fall into a place where they can never again believe He is merciful...they finalize their own dying in Hell forever by rejecting His propitiatory death on their behalf when He took on a body as the Son of God and paid for their sin with His sinless blood.
People who try to play both sides of the fence saying they believe God but do not believe God is powerful enough to do what He said He did in the Bible, and what He promises to do in the Bible, and what He is doing now in sustaining all things, are out of step with God's Spirit.
Believe whatever you want to believe as long as you can believe it. Don't believe Hell is real and sinners will be confined in it's torments forever as long as you can believe that. Go ahead and get mad at the idea of God ruling over you and against your sin, and Hell being justice against sinners.