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Do bible worshipers understand....
....that when they claim to adhere to biblical doctrine, they are actually adhering to THEIR FAVORED INTERPRETATION of biblical doctrine, which may not be the best possible interpretation?
A few friends of mine understand that. That is why they have the Bible App. It has many versions. Multiple Christians will read different versions of the bible.
But even with having various translations at their fingertips, the whole thing is subject to their final interpretation which isn't guaranteed to be the most optimal.
Christian beliefs are based on the bible. There can be no objective reading of the bible. Therefore, no Christian belief can be objective, yet Christians hold their beliefs as if they were absolute truths. You could convey the idea that Christians are deluding themselves.
I think most do not because every single one of those different groups believes there version to be the correct version, Here is a question to all you bible thumping theist, ready?
Q: If the words of the bible is truly the word of God, as many of you claim, then how come there are so many different groups of Christians? Also how come science don't have 12,000 different versions of it self ?
Q: If the words of the bible is truly the word of God, as many of you claim, then how come there are so many different groups of Christians?
Just because that's what they believe. Faith is made to adhere to something without. Not against evidence, but without evidence. My belief is that science is a natural extension of our desire to understand Gods creation. But thats not my point. You do realize not all of science agrees with each other, and not all scientists agree, right? Some argue for the big bang, some against. It is all based upon being ready to correct and change our understandings of the world around us, but yet many time it doesn't. Don't give me the crap that religious people are the only people that hold to their beliefs and understanding about life. The only difference between scientists and religious people is that scientists are backed byfacts. Some of these facts are in fact just assumptions. An example in math is that it took 300+ pages JUST to prove 1+1=2 in Principia Mathematica. We all hold dear to what we believe, we just have different ways of supporting our beliefs.
How come science can't tell me why I am mortal? Why can't science give me a "significant other" without refute? When does science explain how I am here to begin with? Where does science tell humans everything it desires to know without doubt? What does science have to say about any of this?
So, let's not even think about the "word of God", let's look at your thoughts of science.
Can science answer all that which is seeks to know?
Sam Harris doesn't know shit about why humans are mortal, that is FACT.
What does science know to truly WHEN I am here? They're got nothing but guesstimations, like everyone else INCLUDING the bible.
Spirituality, or as you call it "religion", is a way of understanding oneself and the world around it. Why do you refute the possibilities? You're fucking condescending for no good reason.
Given the time? LOL NO! You do not understand time nor space within time nor time within reality. Science will NEVER know all that which it seeks.
For a couple seconds, let us not even think about any "holy books" and understand the FACTS. It's not like the "bible" is the ONLY truth to understanding WHY people, in general, have believes in X, Y, Z, since the beginning of our species. You do not get the point. You're focused on "empirical data" and you forget that even this same data proclaims that you and I cannot hear frequencies outside our threshold, that you and I cannot prevent death from happening. Yet you call bullshit on believers, hahahaha
What does science know to truly WHEN I am here? They're got nothing but guesstimations, like everyone else INCLUDING the bible.
I agree with one, and that is that religion knows nothing, however science is again a toooooool, not a sure thing until it's proven to be fact, unlike the Bible, there is the difference.
Spirituality, or as you call it "religion", is a way of understanding oneself and the world around it. Why do you refute the possibilities? You're fucking condescending for no good reason.
Again We-Still-Need-FACTS in order to make that claim and Again Science can only answer that, not religion, whats so hard to understand about that?
Given the time? LOL NO! You do not understand time nor space within time nor time within reality. Science will NEVER know all that which it seeks.
Lol that's a joke because you have no idea who you are talking to, I am what people like to call a scientist and have been for quite some time, I know all to well about space and time, string theory, ect. and as for science will never know all that it seeks,
well maybe, maybe not, that's the beauty of science and the unknown, but we have 7 billion years to figure it out before our Milkyway galaxy colloids with Andromeda galaxy, so until then I say lets keep using science as a means to better understand the unknown ,not religion.
For a couple seconds, let us not even think about any "holy books" and understand the FACTS. It's not like the "bible" is the ONLY truth to understanding WHY people, in general, have believes in X, Y, Z, since the beginning of our species. You do not get the point. You're focused on "empirical data" and you forget that even this same data proclaims that you and I cannot hear frequencies outside our threshold, that you and I cannot prevent death from happening. Yet you call bullshit on believers, hahahaha
I call bullshit to believers because it's a belief, not fact, a belief is an opinion, fact is fact, science to this day can't tell us why existence came to be, no one can as of now, but if we are to even try I say our best bet is though science not belief.
I never said religion knows nothing. I said that objectively science and religion are guessing, throwing out answers as if they've got it. I for one am a believer in both science and in God, more on the spiritual side of things than the "religious" side of things. However, I admit that what I believe in I cannot 100 percent show anybody that what I believe in is true. It's true to me and really that's all that matters. Religion in general, is also a tool. Though you may call it something different. Science and religion are both tools used by human beings for X, Y, Z reasons. You've got so much beef with the "bible", as if the bible is false? I mean, were there not people living during those times? Were there not people eating, fucking and getting drunk off of wine? Surely the bible is not 100 percent inaccurate. No one has seen a person walk on water, check. No one has seen a person turn water into wine in a matter of seconds, check. Do these things really matter? No. The bible is a great book, in general. It's filled with drama, comedy and fucking tragedy. At the very least the bible should be appreciated on a literary level, though many people bash it live nothing is true within the bible. Take a step back and realize how retarded that is to claim the bible is not "fact". There are obviously things within the book that even I, as a believer, are like "what the fuck?", but it doesn't mean that it nothing in the book actually happened. How do you know? Disprove it then. Disprove anything that the bible has to say, you can't. None of us were there, obviously. Understanding facts are one thing, and understanding the reality is another. You seem to accept facts but not reality.
You continue to claim that "science can only answer that". WHY!? Why does science have to answer it? Who says "In this life, thy human being, science must answer all". There is no fucking such thing.
Once again, you're pressing so hard on the whole "science is fact and nothing is is true". And I do not care if you're a scientist or not, you've got clue what my credentials are, but does it really matter on this site. This isn't a "politically correct" debate site. This is an online site, a forum, for opinions and debates to be had. Our credentials do not matter. Some of us on this site are actuality critical thinkers, analyzers, intelligent humans. I'm not saying you're not intelligent, and I am saying do not disregard people who are perhaps do not have the same "title" as you do.
So you're upset because you don't have belief into why and how our existence came to be, and you think "religious, or those that have belief", act like they do?
What is this a child playground dispute? You're opinions are condescending and you act like those of faith have no idea what they're speaking of yet I've countered that multiple times on this board and some!
What does Sam Harris know that any person with even an ounce of intelligence already knows? We're mortal beings. There is nothing any man on this earth can say that will change that. There is no "cure" for mortally. There is no "hidden" facts here. Sam Harris is just another guy on this earth with his own opinion. Nothing is going to change the fact of mortality nor will any person ever "conclude" the why and how humans are mortal beings.