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Do both parties engage in a sham republic?

Sometimes when I watch the reality TV show known as politics, I get the impression it is just a show put on for the voters.  It seems sort of like professional wrestling in that they just pretend to be adversaries, but it is all fake, and they are really all working together to keep their jobs and make the world they want.  They are just working us up about politics for our entertainment.
Then other times it seems like they are giving various categories of voters just enough goodies (welfare programs, bailouts, freedoms, programs that give the illusion of safety) to keep the people satisfied.  They even act like they are  generous, when in reality, they are giving some people money they took from other people, and letting us have freedoms we should have by natural right.
Which do you think it is, entertainment or bribery?

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You are right, but you are not getting the full picture due to the right wing ideologies drilling holes in your brain. Both parties are CAPITALISTS and they are subject to the banksters and various other assorted rich people because capitalism is ruled by money. The politicians are only there to do what the rich people want. The idea that the American left is Marxist is idiotic, because they are pawns of the same forces that the republicans are. The little tidbits of equality and freedom you get are merely there to stop the masses from revolting against Capitalism.

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Well, both parties ARE engaged, and Trump has turned this Into a "sham republic". Republics with "strong leaders" have great reputations! The Republic of Iran; the Republic of Cuba; The Peoples Republic of China; The Union of Soviet Socialists Republics; on and on.

Now we have our own "strong leader wannabe"! Both parties BETTER RE-engage, or, we WILL become another "republic with a strong leader"! Protect our democracy! VOTE AGAINST THIS TREND!

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Hi, Al.

You bring up the important point that what things are called has nothing to do with what they are, particularly in politics.

Well, both parties ARE engaged, and Trump has turned this Into a "sham republic". Republics with "strong leaders" have great reputations! The Republic of Iran; the Republic of Cuba; The Peoples Republic of China; The Union of Soviet Socialists Republics; on and on.

China, Cuba, and Iran are not republics; they just call themselves that.

The Democratic Republic of Congo is a lot of things, but democratic is not one of them.

By the same token, Trump is not really a Republican in many aspects. He just ran on the Republican ticket. In many (not all) ways, his policy goals and practices are very much in line with 1990s Democrats, particularly with regard to immigration, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and staying out of foreign nations. He is a remarkable example of being a moderate patchwork of both traditional Republican and traditional Democrat policy goals.

Ironically, ANTIFA employs the particularly fascistic tactics of violence, intimidation, and concerted efforts to silence free expression of ideas with which they disagree.

So-called "liberals" have come to push for policies and rules that run counter to individual freedom, especially in universities.

Banking "regulation" by both Democrats and Republicans is not aimed at actually implementing real control over banks.

And on and on and on.

Now we have our own "strong leader wannabe"! Both parties BETTER RE-engage, or, we WILL become another "republic with a strong leader"!

Forgive me if I misunderstand your intent, but it your quotation marks imply Trump is attempting to institute a strong man basis for authority.

Your quotation marks are misplaced. Every time there has been a legal or Congressional challenge to any of his policy actions, he has only used mechanisms of the Constitutionally created government, or of the First Amendment.

Absolutely he is bombastic, but he subjects all executive policies and actions to the checks and balances instituted according to the US Constitution.

Trump did not use members of the executive branch (e.g., FBI or the IRS) to harass opponents, arrest associates of opponents, or refuse to charge allies for crimes opponents' associates were charged with. Neither did he nor his allies intentionally mislead the FISA court to circumvent judicial oversight.

These things were in fact done by Trump's opposition.

Protect our democracy! VOTE AGAINST THIS TREND!

Absolutely! We agree on this.

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Sometimes when I watch the reality TV show known as politics, I get the impression it is just a show put on for the voters.

Why only sometimes?

Politics is the perfect compromise for power. They get to keep things exactly how they are in exchange for offering people the illusion of choice.

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The two parties are steered by private interests through campaign financing and through sneaky payoffs to the politicians. Extortionate fees for private speaking arrangements and incredibly well paid easy jobs after their terms are among the legal bribes they receive. I think this is at the root of the issue we are having with our western democracies.

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Vote Gil Fulbright. .

Honest politician
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