Challenge Debate: Do conservatives really do what is right for humanity?
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I agree with conservatives on abortion, and Israel. I'm a progressive. I believe conservatives are wrong on torture, the death penalty, death with dignity, and healthcare. Conservative tax cuts affect me personally because I'm to disabled to work full time, and need Medicaid which has saved my life. I woulkd die without nhyealthcare if conservatives had their way. Side: No.
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I believe conservatives are wrong on torture I don't support torture. I don't see it as a black and white issue either. Meaning? If you watched your child burned alive in a cage, like ISIS is known for doing, you might have a temporary change of heart if those same ISIS savages were caught. Just saying ... the death penalty I don't take any position on the death penalty. If you catch an ISIS militant, a preschool mass murderer, etc., I don't care what you do with him as long as he doesn't enter society ever again. death with dignity I think people should be able to die how and when they wish. and healthcare I'm all for a better healthcare system but reject Obamacare because it skyrocketed premiums. Many people with insurance simply didn't see the doctor because of said premiums, which is no different than taking away their insurance. Giving Group A free healthcare while taking it away from Group B, isn't some moral highground. It's swapping who isn't going to the doctor, which is pointless. In my opinion the Obamacare financial penalty for not having insurance was mindless, heartless and cruel. I've tried to wrap my mind around how to logically justify penalizing someone for not being covered, and I simply cannot. We all know that it isn't the rich or the middle class who would be uninsured. It would be the poor and those in poverty. Side: Yes.
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Conservative tax cuts affect me personally because I'm to disabled to work full time, and need Medicaid which has saved my life. The claims on how the tax bill's effect on medicaid will turn out is so partisan, that it's unclear as to what the truth is. Liberal politicians have desperately tossed out so many blind and many times false narratives, that it's hard to take them seriously or know what's true. Character and policy assasinations are the expertise of leftist politicians. Why debate reality when you can just attack the person or policy with propaganda instead? I would die without healthcare if conservatives had their way. Conservatives aren't looking to take away anyone's healthcare. They simply ask "how do you plan on paying for it?" and liberal politicians go for the character attack rather than answer the question. During the primaries, Trump pointed out that Obama's $20 trillion in national debt could have fixed and paid for every social program in America. Instead, we have all that debt and nothing to show for it. Now we are so far in debt that Trump can't wave Obama's magic spending wand without bankrupting the country. Side: Yes.
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Brontoraptor: Liberal politicians have desperately tossed out so many blind and many times false narratives, that it's hard to take them seriously or know what's true. Liberal narratives thusfar- -Women magically came out just before the election...(then disappeared for a while once he was elected) -Trump has a 5% chance of winning. (And then won in an electoral landslide) -Hillary is up by 13 points.(But lost in an electoral landslide) -Everybody's moving to Canada if Trump wins. (No one moved to Canada) -The tax returns! (Maddow showed his leaked returns and? He paid $35 million) -Trump's a liberal (yet liberals hate him and his agenda) -He's a racist. (Yet won the Ellis Island Award) -The Nation ban is racist. (it was Obama's list of unvettable nations) -Mentally unfit/Alzheimers/Dimentia according to anonymous source close to him(Yet no one close to him overtly says this, nor does he appear impaired) -He wants to quit and never wanted the job. (Here we are a year later...) -He'll be impeached. (Here we are a year later...) -He will start a nuclear war(but hasn't) -Russian Collusion (dossier was created by Fusion GPS for DNC/Clinton campaign and? Was fake...) -Obstruction of Justice (Trump can legally fire Comey and libs wanted Comey gone just weeks before) -Mueller will nail him and Trump will go to prison. (We've seen nothing.) -If Trump is elected the market will tank. (It hit record highs) -Sex scandal accusers magically reappear when Franken is sacrificed by the left (accusers who had a house paid for and offers of $300,000 and $750,000 to tell their stories. The money was donated by Democrats...) Side: Yes.
The whole point of being a progressive is to progress. If you actually knew what a progressive stood for, you would stop smacking. Progressives stand for the poor, immigrant, disabled, homeless. We are antitorture, antideath penalty, prochild. Some of us are prolife like me. We support gays, racial unity, gun safety legislation, hate crimes laws. We stand for basic human rights such as single payer healthcare. Side: No.
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I don't really advocate for torture. You won't see me giving deep dialogue on a torture debate on here. For one, I don't particularly like the idea that the government could legally torture someone who wasn't guilty of anything or not guilty of anything "worthy of torture". I'm usually for the government having less authority and social control. On the other hand, if Army Rangers caught terrorists who just mass raped a 12 year old Muslim girls' school, and these terrorists somehow magically lost their manhood, I probably wouldn't shed any tears. Side: Yes.
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Do conservatives really do what is right for humanity? Out of the 8 billion people on Earth, over 7 billion are nationalists. If you put all of the Liberals worldwide together, there might be 300 million to 500 million liberals. There are more nationalists than that by far in China alone who has one billion two hundred and fifty million people. Russia, with nearly two hundred million people is nationalist, thus we get the term "Mother Russia". The entire Middle East and most of Africa is nationalist. The fact is, that liberals think the other 7 billion people on Earth who are nationalists should think like them. Not only is it an arrogant stance, but most of the world laughs at liberal thought because it makes no sense to them to not put your own family, friends and people first. It's about not having your priorities jacked up and out of order. Of course you should put your child first over your neighbor. Of course you should put your neighbor first over the stranger. And if you have some left over, you give to the foreigner or stranger, no problem. Throughout most of human history, basically 100% of the world was nationalist. "Nationalist" meaning love of country, love of brothers, loyalty to country, and simply putting your own peoples' needs first. 1 Timothy 5:8 reads as follows. Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. biblehub.com/1_timothy/5-8.htm This verse demands a sequential order of people as priorities. Your clan comes first. Not someone else's clan. In Romans1:16 it reads as follows. For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. biblehub.com/romans/1-16.htm This verse gives a sequential order to two different groups. Christ put his people first. In Matthew 15:26 Jesus himself makes it cear that Jesus prioritizes his own people above others first. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs." biblehub.com/matthew/15-26.htm Liberals tell us they want open borders, one world government, and for everyone to be equal. Liberalism 1,2,3 -Everyone is equal And yet you will never find a verse that teaches "equality" in the Bible. "Everyone is equal" is something liberals say because it makes them feel good to say it, but what "everyone is equal" really is, is fake, a lie, and not real. In the Bible God/Christ appoints leaders and rewards based on "what the person actually did". He even has a ranking system. He gives out crowns and the 140,000 are the only ones in the "140,000 group". Paying a bum the same as a hard worker is "equal", but what it isn't is right, just, fair, ethical, or correct. It's theft. They aren't "equal" and to say they are is to lie. https://www.bible-knowledge.com/ -Open borders God told the Israelites to build a wall, not mix with idolaters, and to establish boundries. He also destroyed Babel for attempting this concept. Liberals rebuke the building of Donald Trump's border wall yet in Ezekiel 22:30, God looked for someone to do exactly that. "I looked for someone among them who would build up the wall and stand before me in the gap on behalf of the land so I would not have to destroy it, but I found no one." biblehub.com/ezekiel/22-30.htm -One world socialized government If the warnings of the beast from the sea(aka the antichrist), in the book of Revelation aren't a total rebuke of this concept then nothing is. Side: Yes.
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A lot of things that liberals think are incorrect concerning the typical Conservative. Liberals typically think Conservatives always seem to favor tax-cuts for the wealthy and thus have bad intentions. But it's a disingenuous claim. I don't want tax cuts because "I like the rich getting more money". I support it because I know that Supply Side Economics works. We saw it work beautifully under Reagan, and watched globalist policies under Bush and Obama put us $20 trillion in debt. If your mind is an economic mind, you shake your head in shock at what Globalists offer concerning the economy. What I realize is that if Bill Gates has a million more dollars, it doesn't make me poorer, but it could make someone who works for him richer if he now feels more comfortable giving raises, bonuses or benefits. It also insures that he doesn't send his companies to other countries that won't tax them to death. Liberals constantly talk about the "1%" in a negative light. Are they greedy? Maybe. It doesn't matter. If they were magically stripped of all they had, would it make your life better? No. It would make it worse. Now we'd be back to the fields working for peanuts for a socialized, omnipotent government instead of playing on createdebate.com on our handheld device or computer with Internet. I don't want the 1%'s money. As it stands, I have a home, vehicles, internet, a cell phone, a computer, central heat and air, a 60" tv, and a decent life. And it's because of Capitalism. Every nation based on Communism is either in poverty or lives under a totalitarian, omnipotent government that censors the internet, speech, and religion. No thanks. Our position isn't based on ethics but on practical economic common sense. Side: Yes.
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Many Biblical scholars see these passages as referring to Islamic countries. 12 And the ten horns that you saw are ten rulers who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. 13 THESE ARE OF ONE MIND, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them...' -Revelation 17:12-14 Which is interesting because Islamic hadith says this. Volume 8, Book 73, Number 224 : Narrated by Abu Huraira Allah's Apostle said, "The most awful name in Allah's sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be that of a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the king of kings)." https://muflihun.com/bukhari/73/224 This goes with Psalm 83 as well. And of course liberals are demanding the protection of Islam and for mass Muslims to be allowed into what are predominantly Christian countries. Many scholars think this fulfills this verse. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. -Revelation 13:3 All while Conservatives are much more cautious when it comes to Islam. "Wonder" definition- Liberalism A: Rapt attention or astonishment at something awesomely mysterious or new to one's experience. Conservatism B: A feeling of doubt and uncertainty. https://www.merriam-webster.com/ In Revelation a 200 million man army marches on Jerusalem. Muslims believe that in the end they will march a 200 million man army onto Jerusalem. In Revelation the beast's followers have Israel surrounded and hate Israel. Israel is completely surrounded by Islamic countries, and Islam is heavily anti-Israel. Revelation warns of the "beast from the Earth (the false prophet) who marks forheads. Muslims believe the "beast from the Earth" will mark their forheads in the end. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeastoftheEarth - Per this line of thought, Liberalism is attached to the beast system (Islam) which rejects Jesus as the Son of God, Atheism, which rejects God all together, and homosexuality which the Bible refers to as "an abomination to God". And this is an odd alliance for a Christian seeing that the Bible says in James 4:4- You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God." biblehub.com/james/4-4.htm Side: Yes.
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