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Debate Score:166
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Do not read the bible, you might become an atheist

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The guy in the video read the bible and became an atheist. Don't become him ;)

Side: True
2 points

Im an athiest and im proud and yes reading the bible made me an athiest that and i dont get why people worship a random person who they have NEVER met. Its silly and i think "god" is dumb for hating gay people....he is a jerk. Im not gay but i love gay people and it pains me to see people being shunned for it....alittle off topic? yes. True? yes. Haters gonna hate? shoosh yea.

Side: True
bradj20(19) Disputed
1 point

Reading the Bible DID NOT make you an atheist. Your decision to not believe in the God of the Bible is what made you an atheist. Your lack of faith in the God who created you is what made you an atheist. Your love of your own personal sin is what made you an atheist. Your choice of debased sin and lies over the forgiveness of Jesus Christ is what made you an atheist. When you meet God on Judgment Day you will no longer be an atheist, but it will be too late at that time, to save you.

Who are you to say that anyone has not met God? How can you rationally make that claim? I've met the God of the Bible. Definitely not a handshake type of introduction, but His Holy Spirit possessed my heart, and He threw open the doors to understanding His Bible. I will meet Him face to face soon enough, but until that time, my relationship is based on personal faith, given to me by Him.

He doesn't hate gays, he hates their immoral, detestable behavior. He loves them, and wants them to repent, but if they don't, his fatherly love will have to punish them. He doesn't like it, but the cold hard hearts have to turn to Him for forgiveness. Deal with it. It's the same for murderers, adulterers, thieves, degenerates, idolaters, etc etc etc. Sin is sin, repentance and faith clears that sin, and puts it on Christ's shoulders on the cross. He gives you his righteousness b/c of the faith you express in Him. Simple, but too complicated for those who love their sinful ways.

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Phreekshow(246) Disputed
1 point

A HA HA HA HA HA HA! TYo realise that grown people in the 21st century are so prone to believe this crappola is rediculous and sad! I am an atheist and no it is not from reading the Bible, that just made my conviction stronger. Yes I have no faith in God, then again I think "blind" faith is ignorant and harmful. Take your blind faith, close your eyes and walk in the middle of the highway. Your blind faith that you will not be hit will most likely still get you killed!

As for sin, again an invention of humanity. All humans are animals. We all require the same things, love, food, water, shelter and air to name a few. To think that humanity is so unique and special in this world is once again childish and ignorant. Also people who do not believe in God are not necessarily sinful. i know many an atheist who do not drink, swear,smoke,cheat on their spouses, kill abuse or any of that. They live their lives moraly but do not believe in a GOD.

You are right GOD does NOT hates gays. How can something that does not exsist hate anything? But his followers do. If they decide to remain ignorant that homosexuality is a choice despite the exhaustive scientific research proving the opposite then so be it. Live in your imaginary, ignorant World and do not join the rest of us in the 21st century!

Side: True
Uspwns101(445) Disputed
1 point

God does not "HATE" any people, he hates actions, the sin within people's hearts, there is a huge difference.

Side: It could but perhaps not
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Do not read the Bible if you plan to use logic instead of satisfying fear or insecurity while reading the Bible, you might become an Atheist, or non-Christian.

Side: True
Srom(12206) Disputed
2 points

How do you become a athiest or non christian when you read the Bible? I read the Bible and I am a Christian and look at me I am not a athiest or a non christian. In fact I will never turn away frome God

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Bobbeh(51) Disputed
3 points

That's because you don't think. Besides, the Bible is like a wall for past ages graffiti, kings and the like changed it to serve their needs, like slavery, killing infidels, and the like. ((My first post ever, imma give myself a pat on the back.))

Side: True
1 point

How do you become a athiest or non christian when you read the Bible?

As Penn points out, I think what happens, is that what you are told about the bible and what the bible actually says, are two different things. There are certain things within the bible that most churches and preachers don't talk about, and when you read them for the first time it really makes you think.

For me personally I think it was difficult to pinpoint exactly what it was that caused me to become a disbeliever, but one thought that always laid heavy on my mind was "How do I know I am in the correct religion"?

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riahlize(1575) Disputed
1 point

How do you become a athiest or non christian when you read the Bible? I read the Bible and I am a Christian and look at me I am not a athiest or a non christian. In fact I will never turn away frome God

Read the italics in my post. That's how.

And you really shouldn't be claiming you never would, I can think of at least one scenario where you would turn away from God, and one other possible one.

Side: True
Uspwns101(445) Disputed
1 point

That is really not relevant because you have read the bible and are not atheist does not mean that others won't read it and become atheist. And every time you sin you turn away from God it's as simple as that.

Side: It could but perhaps not
Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

This is such a horrid generalization. Obviously your world view is not a very educated one. Don't try to sound intelligent when you have no idea what you're talking about.

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riahlize(1575) Disputed
1 point

This is such a horrid generalization.

I definitely admit it was a bit of a generalization. That's because I was going for more of a wittier reply than a complete sincere one. I decided to go this route because the question sounded a bit absurd, so why not answer with a bit of an absurd answer?

Obviously your world view is not a very educated one. Don't try to sound intelligent when you have no idea what you're talking about.

1. Prove it, you've made three claims here. Prove them. Why so many assumptions? Where does this get you in the debate?

2. I am not trying to sound anything. I am simply myself.

Side: True
Uspwns101(445) Disputed
1 point

I have used logic many times, it doesn't seem to change how I have read the bible.

Side: It could but perhaps not
riahlize(1575) Disputed
1 point

I'm sure you have............................................. :)

(Dots to bypass 50 character restriction! Oh yeah!)

Side: True
1 point

Go ahaed read the Bible! Come over to the dark Side! LOL Actually as a child I was made to read the Bible and trust me it is one of the reasons I am an atheist now. Full of legend and morality tales but should not be taken a gospel!

Side: True
Troy8(2431) Disputed
2 points

As I young child I was forced to read Darwin's Origin of Species and trust me it is one of the reasons I am a creationist now! Full of humorous accounts of fake transformations, but should not be taken as a fact!

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Phreekshow(246) Disputed
1 point

As opposed to silly accounts of a big invisible person who made the Wordl and everything in it? The concept of evolution eludes you because you are probably not bright enough to grasp the concept as opposed to believing fairy tales written in ancient texts that have been edited throughout the millenia. The bible is full of fake "transformations" and events as well. So I can forgive you your ignorance!

Side: True
1 point

Yes! I read Greek mythology... and now I don't believe it!

But! It's still fun!

Side: True
Liber(1730) Disputed
1 point

I read Greek mythology... and now I don't believe it

So you are saying that, before having read Hesiod or Homer, you were a believer in Greek mythology?

Side: Wait..., What? No!
1 point

Correction: Do not read, you might become an atheist

Side: True
Phreekshow(246) Disputed
1 point

I read everything! Including the Bible. I keep up on current events, history, nature many many subjects. Guess what I am still an atheist. Why because I have a brain. Do not just read things written thousands of years ago and believe what is written there.

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Uspwns101(445) Disputed
1 point

I also have a brain, I however am not atheist.

Side: True
Uspwns101(445) Disputed
1 point

I read quite a bit, relative to many of the people that I am associated with, I am not an atheist.

Side: It could but perhaps not
1 point

If you love the bible, and support it, then you love and support sexism, intolerance, slavery and lunacy, okay? I read it and it said that women have no power over men and that they are to be kept silent and obedient, and the bible tells you how to handle slaves and it says that it's okay to have slaves just as long as you don't beat them to death, because it's what God says. And it says when you can rape a female slave.

If you have read the bible and you still love the bible, you either aren't reading it clearly, or you are a sick, sick person!

Side: True
1 point

I belive it is possible. Its possible to read some of the stories and think its impossible and not belive it. I dint watch the videos but Just answering the question.

Side: True
2 points

That is not even possible. I am a Christan and I will never be a athiest at all. I will choose to follow Jesus Christ all my days of my life. I read the Bible most of time and I never became an athiest.

Side: Wait..., What? No!

Did you see the video? I don't think you saw the video. If you saw the video then you would see that there's more to this debate than meets the eye. you should see the video ;)

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Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

Yes I watched the video it still doesnt make any sense. I have read the Bible many times and look at me I'm not a atheist. My parents have read the whole Bible many times and look there not atheists. Show some proof that there is evidence that tells us that this is true.

Side: True
riahlize(1575) Disputed
1 point

Just for future reference, it's spelled atheist. For this word, the e becomes for the i.

EDIT: In case you do not see the replies below to this post, I want you to know that this is simply a friendly tip. I don't mean to be an ass in any sense, I just wanted to be helpful. :)

Side: True
Troy8(2431) Disputed
3 points

Since when does someone make an argument only to correct someone's spelling of one word? Honestly, it's people like you that really need to get a life.

Side: Wait..., What? No!
garry77777(1797) Disputed
1 point

ya i happen to agree with Troy8, did you enjoy your ego wank? I before e except after c :-)

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DaWolfman(3321) Disputed
1 point

So how did you do in English grammar and spelling in school?

Just wanted to break the ice there, I haven't watched either of Joe's videos because I am sure I have seen enough of those on Youtube and other sources before... The point of the video is probably that after the gentleman read the bible in depth, whilst using logical reasoning, he realized that after reading the unbelievably amazing and extraordinary happenstances that Christianity or Catholocism or whatever his specific denomination happened to be; he decided it was all rediculous.

Side: True

Actually..., it's a joke video (imagine that ;) you really should watch it. At least for a chuckle..., or two. ;)

Side: True
Liber(1730) Disputed
1 point

Your experience is not the same for everybody. If you take away from a reading of the Bible a different set of beliefs and/or values than others, than that may be considered a fluke. Just as I may enjoy the works of Stephen King and others find him revolting, so can you enjoy the Bible, which others may find revolting. It is all in the eye of the beholder.

Side: True

Eye of the beholder

Oh..., I loved that game....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_the_Beholder_(video_game)

;)

Side: True

I liked the religious answer. It seems to be a lot more fun. Kinda like bashing liberals..., but with a book ;)

Side: Wait..., What? No!
1 point

Penn Jillette, like so many Godhaters fabricates lies from God's word. First of all, God was absolutely NOT okay with Lot's daughters being raped, because they were NOT raped. Lot offered them to the angry mob that wanted to seduce the visiting angels, but that was Lot, NOT God. Anyway, the mob refused Lot's daughters because they were homosexual, and they wanted to have sex with the male angels. The two daughters later seduced Lot because they truly believed all men were destroyed when God rained fire and brimstone down upon the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. You see, God hated the immoral homosexuals so badly that He destroyed their cities after giving them ample opportunity to repent. They refused, and they died for their sins. So, Penn, you're a liar like all the authors you quoted along the way: Bertrand Russell, your rock singers, and the other hyperbiased deuschbag Godhaters. Read for yourself in Genesis 19. Penn has so many lies in this little vignette. I've read through the Bible five times, and many times in various studies, with a keen eye on errors, contradictions, and fairy tales, and truthfully, there are none. The liberal theologians and biased scientists like Dawkins, etc, who the magic wolfman Penn references are hyperbiased and full of vitriol and verbiage against the loving God of the Bible. He misrepresents God throughout his diatribe, too, so many times I can't address them all.

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DaWolfman(3321) Disputed
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Penn Jillette, like so many Godhaters fabricates lies from God's word. First of all, God was absolutely NOT okay with Lot's daughters being raped, because they were NOT raped. Lot offered them to the angry mob that wanted to seduce the visiting angels, but that was Lot, NOT God. Anyway, the mob refused Lot's daughters because they were homosexual, and they wanted to have sex with the male angels. The two daughters later seduced Lot because they truly believed all men were destroyed when God rained fire and brimstone down upon the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Now I like the logical reasoning you had, it was in fact absolutely outstanding.

My only issue is all of the support for your argument sounds completely and wholly insane. You backed your argument with what you believe to be true and you did use logic to back yourself, it is just what you are defending. The specific story that is, the bible isn't wholly rediculous all the time... just a solid chunk of the time.

Side: True
bradj20(19) Disputed
1 point

What you're saying is that you don't believe the biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis, but have NO PROOF that it didn't occur. I happen to believe in the biblical account b/c of the human witness account. Do you have evidence it didn't occur? Any human witness accounts that the biblical narrative was fabricated? No, you don't. Do I have evidence it did occur? NO. So, please respect my right and ability to believe in the God of the Bible, and I'll respect your right and ability to disbelieve the God of the Bible. So, I'm glad you appreciate my logic, but it's only your simple disbelief against my simple belief about the rest of the matter.

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Uspwns101(445) Disputed
1 point

Explain to me something that is ridiculous in the bible. I want to know.

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Uspwns101(445) Disputed
1 point

I've recently realized that including terms like douchebag probably doesn't help "Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear" Ephesians 4:29. Well not realized rather chose to stop ignoring how bout that.

Side: It could but perhaps not
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You're absolutely correct. My apologies to God, and the viewers. I was trying to relate by speaking in the vernacular, which was wrong. I need to rise above and be salt and light, and purify my tongue with burning coals. I'm feeling like Isaiah, a man of unclean lips (Isaiah 6): "Woe is me." Thanks for the correction.

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1 point

In the words of C.S. Lewis " A young Atheist can never be too careful of what he reads." The opposite very well may happen as it has with a number of people in my Church.

Side: It could but perhaps not

The only way one would become an atheist if they read the Bible, is if they were not intelligent enough to understand it. The Bible contains many parables and metaphors, one must think beyond that of a three year old. "The truth will set you free."

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Bohemian(3870) Disputed
2 points

The Bible contains many parables and metaphors, one must think beyond that of a three year old.

Which ironically is what leads people to believe in:

-Unicorns (Job 39:9)

-Giants (Genesis 6:4)

and

-angels that look like inter-locking wheels covered in eyes (Ezekiel 10:10-14)

Side: true
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

Job 39:9 says Will the wild ox consent to serve you?

Will it stay by your manger at night? It doesnt say about unicorns.

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bradj20(19) Disputed
1 point

You have to have some degree of intelligence, but it takes faith and God opening the heart to fully believing the Bible. "Faith comes from hearing, and hearing from the word of God." Acts 16: 14, "Lydia. . . worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul." So, it's a combination of God working in a person's heart, and that person's faith and intelligence kicking in and leading the person to belief.

Side: True
Uspwns101(445) Disputed
1 point

Honestly you're right except for one thing, any degree of intelligence that any person has been given is sufficient to believe in God because otherwise God would be depriving them of something they require to believe.

Side: It could but perhaps not
Phreekshow(246) Disputed
1 point

It takes "blind" faith to believe in a God and anything that makes you blind (especially to the truth) also makes you ignorant!

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I have had the opposite experience and have both heard of, and know, numerous people who read the Bible as atheists and became believers. The argument that actually reading the Bible causes atheism is absurd and only true in a tiny minority of readers. Christianity would have ceased to exist if reading the Bible really caused more atheism than belief.

After I began to study the Bible again, I read it carefully and reached the profound conclusion that this was a book about one Hebrew thunder god who, throughout the past 5,700 years since Adam, has managed to conquer and destroy all the other gods who have stood in His way. His intellectual power is unparalleled and the Bible shows this to be the case.

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