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Do same-sex couples understand each other better than straight couples?
"The reason husbands and wives do not understand each other is because they belong to different sexes.” Dorothy Dix
"The more I know about men the more I like dogs." Gloria Allred
"Marrying a man is like buying something you've been admiring for a long time in a shop window. You may love it when you get it home, but it doesn't always go with everything in the house." Jean Kerr
"Between men and women there is no friendship possible. There is passion, enmity, worship, love, but no friendship." Oscar Wilde
"My understanding of women goes only as far as the pleasures." Michael Caine
"Women are like Elephants. I like to watch them, but I wouldn't want to own one." W. C. Fields
They probably do. The only reason why I CAN understand women is because I understand that they are non-understandable. I don't try to figure out why they think that 2+2=5, i just accept that they think that and move on.
It's all about dealing with Irrationality. Hell, I'm a misanthrope in a world full of idiots, so i'm pretty used to that anyway.
"Hell, I'm a misanthrope in a world full of idiots, so i'm pretty used to that anyway."
That's pretty sad that you never grew out of your teenage misanthropy. Most people do. I guess you never learned that you are not better than everyone else. Oh well.
insult me all you want, misanthropy isn't some Goth state or something like that. It's more of a frustration. I get along with people personally and I am actually very friendly. Deep down, though, I judge everyone based on their flaws. Flaws that I find irreversible.
I don't think i'm better than everyone else. That isn't what Misanthropy is, and I suggest you read a little more to understand it better.
I know exactly what misanthropy is. I used to be a misanthrope around age 16. And then I realized that it is a really immature worldview to judge everyone based upon their flaws instead of celebrating their strengths. Misanthropy is just a way to avoid self-awareness by focusing on criticizing others.
The problem with their strengths is that they do not CHANGE what their flaws are. Their flaws, in the end, will always create massive butthurt for civilization.
Take a look at how EVERYONE wants to complain about how society in some way is fucked. They want to blame certain aspects of it, but they never want to blame the people who live in this society. In all actuality, it is them. I am a misanthrope through realization, not through feelings. I do not hate my fellow man for just being them, I just realize how fucked they truly are. I realize that certain things will never happen because man is naturally destructive and naturally stupid. I've tried to fight the idea for quite some time in my "teenage" years, but I've gotten used to the idea and instead use it as a basis for my comedy. Life never seemed so funny to me until I started realizing how retarded everyone was.
Look at society. Conservatism, Religion, Political Correctness, Secular Humanism. Mathematically these ideologies make no sense, which is why it's so funny.
I've learned to laugh and not hate. But that still doesn't change my feelings towards them.
And assuming you are not flawless I am not sure what your point is. Everyone has problems, what is the point of focusing on them.
"Life never seemed so funny to me until I started realizing how retarded everyone was. "
This is what I was saying. You think you are better than everyone else.
What exactly is wrong with secular humanism exactly? I'm not sure how wanting to make the world a better place for everyone is bad.
If you want to criticize everything for being illogical then that is your choice, but it is much more enjoyable to embrace life and focus on positive things instead of negative things.
1. I do not think I am better than everyone else. Obviously I can not become a professional athlete or an award winning physicist. So how could I think I'm better than everyone else?
2. I am actually an optimist (despite the irrationality of it). I just find it better to think hopefully to the future than to think miserably for the future. I always use everything to an advantage, that is actually the philosophy I go by. I enjoy my life and I do focus on the positive. The alternative is repulsive.
3. As I said, I don't think I'm flawless... don't know where you got that from.
My misanthropy is a realization of the natural idiocy of man. I do try to focus on the good, but that doesn't AUTOMATICALLY eliminate the bad that still exists. I accept it and I move on.
I laugh at everything as well. Whenever I see a protest (especially the Westboro stuff) or an Obama supporter, it just makes me laugh at how stupid people are. Not saying if you support Obama you're stupid, but most Obama supporters I talk to are the biggest morons I've ever spoken to. The ideology of Liberal Democrats doesn't bother me. It's the mentality that people seem to have. The same thing can come from people who supported Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee. There are a couple who had sound reasons for doing so, but most of them are just funny to watch discuss politics.
The thing is. Stupidity doesn't come from ideology. It comes from the natural human brain. Ideology, instead, comes from your upbringing. It is not impossible to say that I would be a Secular Humanist (i technically am, but the big picture of it is completely ridiculous), but odds are if my family were the same I'd still be a misanthrope. This comes from the logical tract of thinking that I have. I can't seem to grasp how people can think certain ways, and what scares me the most is the idea that I could have been that way. I do see that people are happier that way, though, and they do have that over me (philosophy wise), but my goal in life is to maintain my logical thinking while still being able to "feel" happy like the less logical people do.
"So how could I think I'm better than everyone else?"
"I'm a misanthrope in a world full of idiots"
"I laugh at everything as well. Whenever I see a protest (especially the Westboro stuff) or an Obama supporter, it just makes me laugh at how stupid people are. Not saying if you support Obama you're stupid, but most Obama supporters I talk to are the biggest morons I've ever spoken to. The ideology of Liberal Democrats doesn't bother me. It's the mentality that people seem to have. The same thing can come from people who supported Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee. There are a couple who had sound reasons for doing so, but most of them are just funny to watch discuss politics."
This is also what I am talking about. You think you are so much smarter than everyone. You think atheists and theists are dumb, but you are superior. You think liberals and conservatives are dumb, but you are superior. No one has any idea how the world works, but you.
"My goal in life is to maintain my logical thinking while still being able to "feel" happy like the less logical people do."
Living your life perfectly logically is a waste. Sex not for procreation, music, fun, art, etc. are all illogical. As there is no logical purpose in life, the most logical thing to do is to kill yourself. Your problem is that you deem man's inherent irrationality as a flaw instead of a strength. Sure if humans were completely logical then we would be incredibly efficient and not "all idiots" like you think everyone is, but that is a boring existence. By denying half of human nature you are denying half of your humanity. If you want to live this way then so be it, but I am telling you you will cherish your short time on this little rock in this big universe much more if you learn to accept it.
1. That doesn't suggest that I think i'm better than anyone. I've already explained that I can not throw farther than Payton Manning and I can not solve a math problem faster than Stephen Hawking.
2. I never said I'm smarter than anyone. While I disagree with Richard Dawkin's approach to the concept of God, I believe that he is definitely smarter than me in the realm of science and probably mathematics. I don't think someone's dumb for being either atheist or theist or Conservative or Liberal. Stop it with the generalizations, it gets pretty annoying.
3. All this was was an attempt to somehow convince me that I should live life another way because if I don't, it's a "waste". That depends on your definition of waste.
If you want, we can debate the concept of logic itself. Fine, lets do that. Logic would incite that 1+1=2. So obviously I would add 1 to 1 to make 2. Sex feels good. If I wanted to feel good somehow, I would have sex. If I wanted a child, I would not use protection. Music makes me feel good as well. So I listen to music when I want to feel good.
Things aren't in black or white. There is a sort of equation to my thinking style, which is why I think more logically and thus am upset with most people. But, sex for pleasure is logical, because it adds up perfectly.
I didn't say you think you are the most superior person in the world. You just have an attitude that suggests you think you are much better than most.
No you disagree with South Park's interpretation of Richard Dawkins' approach to the concept of god. We have had this argument before, but you weren't able to successfully read his quotation so never mind.
What I was saying that if you think purely logically, emotions are useless. They serve no logical purpose and should be ignored and if possible eliminated because they only hamper efficiency. I was saying that you should not live your life solely based upon logic.
1. O RLY? I just have this attitude. "Like, you don't say you're better than everyone, and actually admit that people are better than you at things. but it's just this attitude." Good one.
2. I've read Dawkins' work, I disagree with his approach to God. Just how I disagree with most Atheists approach to God. I understand that Agnostics like me can technically be Atheists, but i disagree with most Atheists anyway. What I do agree with is Einstein's explanation to it. It's more philosophical. Dawkins, while saying that he can't KNOW if their is no God, uses science and science only to conclude that there is MOST LIKELY no God. He puts it at a low probability, like most Atheists. I am not most Atheists. While I do love science, science and the concept of God don't mix. I prefer mathematics mixed with philosophy for this. Others wouldn't agree with my approach, and they have a right. No one knows how to prove or disprove God just yet, so there is no definite answer on which approach we should make. I believe, though, that science alone will not take us to where we need to go when either proving or disproving God.
3. Once again, we must first define logic. As I already pointed out, it's a system at it's most simplistic form. 1+1=2 is logical. Sex for the purpose of having pleasure is completely logical if what you seek is pleasure of the sexual nature. What is illogical is to have sex when you seek artistic pleasure, unless you are into artistic forms of sex, which now goes into sexology and we really don't have the time for that.
I'm pretty sure if you think that ALL women think illogically, you don't understand them. Granted, a lot of people let their emotions cloud their reasoning, and women can be more susceptible to that, but part of it is just the fact that women realize that their emotions and the emotions of others matter. You may say that they don't really, but our emotional state helps determine our actions.
Kindly stop being a sexist pig just because you don't understand some things, or because SOME girls think irrationally.
I am not being a sexist pig by stating what is highly acceptable. Women have an inability to separate logic from emotion, causing a very illogical thinking pattern. Men, while being more susceptible to a simplistic thinking pattern, are easily able to separate logic from emotion. Their flaw mainly comes from an inability to enrich their vocabulary as well as women can.
Okay. I overreacted, sorry. I kind of went into "hear me roar" mode. ;]
As long as you're acknowledging that men have intellectual weaknesses as well, rather than implying that they are more intelligent than women, I have no problem with that. Again, sorry for going off like that.
As a gay person I must say yes, they do understand one another more, being of the same sex. The trick is to have a balance of differences so the "roles" fit properly. And don't give me any shit about roles, lol. Believe me they're in place and when they're in a good place the relationship thrives. Two barbie dolls can't live together and neither can two heavy construction guys...they're much too similar and it's both the similarities and differences that make it or break it.
I don't have much perspective on this, as I've only been in straight relationships, and I'm very young, but I can imagine that same-sex couples would understand each other better because they have more in common.
I don't think being the same sex has anything to do with wether you understand your partner or not. I don't think you could be with anyone with who you dont have any understanding. Sure, you might know a little bit more about each others genitals but that is pretty much where the similarities end ( and even in this are it varies greatly and you can get it totally wrong). I wouldn't say straights understand each other better either. Its just that same gender doesn't necessarily mean better understanding. I think same gender couples may presume they will have a better understanding which can lead to problems in their relationships when the reality strikes. Similarities dont always mean understanding. Someone can be with someone of the opposite sex who has alot of other differences also and yet they understand where each other is coming from. And seeing as there are more long term straight relationships my odds are with them.