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Yes i'll just buy male tampons. There aren't any. I didn't chose to have a period so why am i pay a tax on something that is nessicary for me to live day to day with?
Men work tougher jobs. If you work more hours in a harder field you get paid more. Your surreptitious are worthless. McDonald's workers statistically get paid less than engineers. That doesn't mean there is discrimination against McDonald's workers.
That's an opinion, not a fact. It appears to originate from your false belief that the only way a job can be "tough" is physically. Furthermore, men are (usually) better physically equipped for physical labour, which negates the point entirely.
McDonald's workers statistically get paid less than engineers.
That's because they are different jobs you retard. In the UK, the pay divide between women and men who work the same job is 9.4 percent.
Furthermore, men are (usually) better physically equipped for physical labour, which negates the point entirely.
It negates your point. If you admit that men are the only ones physically able to do a job it totally proves my "opinion" is fact.
It appears to originate from your false belief that the only way a job can be "tough" is physically.
No, the tougher jobs mentally are done by women. They do a good job and get paid equivalent to men. They cancel out the data though side men do those jobs too.
That's because they are different jobs you retard.
Her statistics compared different jobs moron. That was exactly my point, moron.
In the UK, the pay divide between women and men who work the same job is 9.4 percent.
Sorry, with your track record I highly doubt that is true.
That makes 0 sense. You can argue with more hours, different priorities, etc. But 'tougher' or 'harder' do not have any concrete meaning. You can have a tough job and still get paid shit.
Why does it matter to you how much does she spend on tampons?? It's a product that should not be taxed like it is.
She said: I didn't chose to have a period so why am i pay a tax
She doesn't understand what the pink tax is. That's not my fault. Is an extra 9% on a single product really the basis for being considered a second class citizen? We used to have separate water fountains for second class citizens.
Great, great argument
That want an argument you moron. That was me explaining to you what I meant by tougher because you were too stupid to figure it out on your own.
I'll go ask my pink unicorn Fairy Godmother to work for me from now on.
Well, she does exist more than the wage gap does. ;)
It's not my fault you can't read what she wrote. And who said it is your fault... Of course, it is not. I never thought that it was even that important until I read on the struggles homeless women face when they're on their period.
I'm not from the US, but I know this:
There is no maternal leave.
If you don't have insurance, prepare some hundreds of dollars for the pap smear you should be getting annually. Another hundred or two for birth control, if you take it. Even emergency contraception seems expensive to me!
When I discovered this, I was baffled. Thankfully I don't live in the US, but yet you still think everything's good.
Now let's take a look at what a wage is:
a fixed regular payment earned for work or services, typically paid on a daily or weekly basis.
and now let's look up what a gap is:
a difference between two things
So when you say it's normal women have lower wages but then proceed to say there isn't a wage gap, you're not making much sense.
No, not making sense is when you say the wages of a McDonald's worker should be the same as the wages of an engineer. That's what you are saying should make sense. Why do you think the McDonald's worker sold get paid the same as an engineer?
I apologize for not addressing the rest of your argument. You aren't able to handle 2 topics at once.
I never said what you're implying I have said. Don't apologize for not addressing anything, since it seems you don't want to read what people write. You've lied two times already.
Plus, your sentences aren't coherent.
That's what you are saying should make sense. (???)
She doesn't speak English well and I was able to understand her, unlike you. I'm afraid I cannot understand you though.
I was not implying you said anything. You implied those things. I inferred those things from what you said. Her statistics compared women and men from every field. The differences in pay seen by those statistics is the same differences seen between McDonald's workers and engineers.
Don't apologize for not addressing anything, since it seems you don't want to read what people write.
You still haven't answered the question. I want to treat you the way I think I should be treated. I don't want you to get the idea that you shouldn't give the answer to my questions simply because I didn't respond to what you wrote. I was planning to address what you wrote when you addressed what I wrote. You still haven't.
You've lied two times already.
No. You haven't demonstrated that I have lied in any way.
Plus, your sentences aren't coherent.
False. You just can't read.
"That's what you are saying should make sense. "
That's
The sentence is referring to what was previously stated.
what you are saying should make sense
You implied that the subject of this sentence should make sense.
The subject of this sentence is what I previously stated. So, what I previously stated must make sense according to you. Was that really that hard for you to understand?
She doesn't speak English well and I was able to understand her, unlike you
That's because I speak English. She used the terms wrong. Why I am a bad guy for using the terms she used correctly? That's stupid.
'm afraid I cannot understand you though
That's because I stated your stupid opinion. So, since your own ideas don't make any sense to yourself, it is time to admit you are wrong.
first lie: She isn't complaining about the sales tax on tampons. She is complaining about having to pay for tampons in any way. which she did NOT
second lie: when you say the wages of a McDonald's worker should be the same as the wages of an engineer. a thing I have NEVER said.
That's because I stated your stupid opinion. what opinion. The one that you invented? :)
Why do you think the McDonald's worker sold (were you trying to put a SHOULD in here or what) get paid the same as an engineer?
Oh, yes. THE question. Write correctly first. I understand English. You used the terms wrong. Why I am a bad guy for not understanding the terms you used INcorrectly? That's what's stupid.
So... yeah...
I was planning to address what you wrote when you addressed what I wrote. You still haven't.
I was planning to address what you wrote when you addressed what I wrote. You still haven't. (if you were planning to treat me as you want people to treat you, shouldn't have you answered first then??)
Bottom line is, you don't really bother to check if your text is coherent. I proved it to you multiple times already. I want to treat you the way I think I should be treated. Either you read what you wrote before publishing, or I'll ignore you. Why should I decipher what you're trying to say? lol
first lie: She isn't complaining about the sales tax on tampons.She is complaining about having to pay for tampons in any way. which she did NOT
That's not a lie. The words she used indicated she was complaining about tampons, and not just the sales tax.
second lie: when you say the wages of a McDonald's worker should be the same as the wages of an engineer. a thing I have NEVER said.
Also not a lie. You are complaining that the wages of McDonald's workers are not the same as engineers. Why are you complaining if you aren't saying they should be the same?
Write correctly first.
Hypocrite.
(if you were planning to treat me as you want people to treat you, shouldn't have you answered first then??)
I did answer you on some things. You have gotten information out of me. I am not going to address your distracting topic until you address this wage gap nonsense.
Bottom line is, you don't really bother to check if your text is coherent.
I forgot an h and a u from a single word that you were able to figure out. Sue me.
I proved it to you multiple times already.
No, all you did was prove you are a communist.
. I want to treat you the way I think I should be treated.
Why do you want to be treated so bad?
Either you read what you wrote before publishing, or I'll ignore you.
You want to be ignored if you write typos?
"shouldn't have you answered first then?"
Why should I decipher what you're trying to say? lol
You don't have to decipher anything. Just defend your communist position.
I was complaining because your arguments make no sense. Read it all again and if you still think I'm defending a 'communist' position, then I'll leave you thinking so.
The words she used indicated
I don't care what you think they indicated. She only talked about the tax, and you should not put words in one's mouth.
I did answer you on some things. You have gotten information out of me.
No, I don't think I did. And WHERE did you address what I said?? I got NOTHING from you. LMAO. (oh wait the MC.Donald worker thing you invented)
I forgot an h and a u from a single word that you were able to figure out. Sue me.
'Sold' isn't the same as should. I didn't understand it until I read it thrice. Plus, it is not the only mistake you've made. So yeah, I do have to decipher your messages. But no more, thank you. At least this last one was all legible, thanks.
was complaining because your arguments make no sense.
And you were wrong. What's your point?
Read it all again and if you still think I'm defending a 'communist' position, then I'll leave you thinking so.
My argument was that people in different fields should get paid differently. You disagreed. Do you think that people in different fields should be paid different amounts?
don't care what you think they indicated.
Yes, keep avoiding the truth.
She only talked about the tax, and you should not put words in one's mouth.
The pink tax is not about sales tax only. It is about women paying more for things in general. If I said I like to watch sports, then I talked about baseball it is not unreasonable to bring up other sports.
No, I don't think I did.
That's just because you don't care what I say.
And WHERE did you address what I said??
When you talked about the wage gap. Also, I explained the word tougher for you which was tough for you.
Why am I now the bad guy? It's not my fault. (didn't I hear that before?)
I just wanted to show you're hypocritical... and that I could not answer a question I did not understand. But since you're really interested in my answer, okay, I'll answer.
My argument was that people in different fields should get paid differently. You disagreed. Do you think that people in different fields should be paid different amounts?
My argument was that people in different fields should get paid differently. You disagreed. Do you think that people in different fields should be paid different amounts?
You used the 'difficulty' argument. Which is not quite the same as what you've just said, even if you think it is. As I already said, You can have a tough job and still get paid shit.
So, 'men' don't have more difficult jobs per se, but work in different fields.
So, answering your question, Do you think that people in different fields should be paid different amounts?
Yes, I don't think a society would work if it was any different.
-Dress code inequality goes both ways. What are your facial hair standards?
-Men and boys are also sexualized. Not only that, but a failure to sexualize is also viewed as bigoted (see body shaming and genital discrimination). Women sometimes find empowerment in their sexuality, bigots would take that from them.
-The nature of consent is so legally questionable that women can retroactively remove the consent previously provided. If both parties are intoxicated, it is she who cannot consent and he who is in trouble. Even with these fuzzy cases that fail in court, the accused may be ruined in other ways, i.e. College expulsion.
-A slap on the butt, though properly considered a crime, is figured into sexual assault statistics the same as rape, which skews the conversation. Furthermore, the 1 in 6 statistic attempts to account for unreported crimes, which is inherently unreliable.
-Pink tax on feminine products (tampons, not pink razors) probably should be removed. Most taxes should be removed. I would then argue to remove taxes on all hygiene products.
-The pay gap is 4.8% to 7% according to the Department of Labor. A gap whose cause cannot be accounted for. It could be the result of a disproportionate number of females attaining higher numbers of the lowest paying college degrees.
-No one is trying to stop anyone from attaining their own healthcare, as is everyone's right. No one has the right to private services to be paid by someone else. While there are efforts against abortion, you are still legally able to kill you fetus in most cases and in most places. The flip side of this issue is that a father has no say in abortion and is discriminated against in custody battles.
We need EVERY special interest or social movement represented in first world countries. That's how democracy is supposed to work. And that also means if we have people who believe in White Supremacy we need them speaking their part, too, because that's the only way we're going to know what they're up to or have a chance to argue against them.
Banning or doing away with an issue like feminism only serves to make people who believe in it simmer about it and fly under the radar.
Your point is the best argument for freedom of the worste kind of speech. However, the argument that the group is needed is different from the argument that it should not be banned.
Yeah. Pay gap is still a thing and it isn't projected to go away until 2152 with people having attitudes like you. Also 1 in 6 are sexually assaulted which to me is worse than second class that's being treated like a POS
The pay gap doesn't exist. It can't go away any more. It's gone. Many more crimes are committed against men. It's not even close. The fact that you think women being victims of crimes is worse than what black people went through before the civil rights era shows you are the problem.
In terms of income, they are. So, until they reach equality in pay, feminism is STILL needed.. In terms of their sexuality, they are ALSO treated as second class citizens.. Lemme ask you this. Do men have dominion over their own body??? I assert, they DO. Do women?? I assert, they DON'T.. Until they do, feminism is desperately needed.
That's not true. If you work fewer hours, or work easier jobs you will be paid less regardless of gender. That's the only reason why there is a pay gap.
Both men and women do have dominion over their bodies. I hope you aren't referring to abortion which is legal in America, since that means that women have dominion over their bodies.
I hope you aren't referring to abortion which is legal in America
Hello again, C:
Well, we'll just have to disagree about the wage issue.
But, I dunno WHY you'd think I left abortion out??
It's true.. Abortion IS legal in the US, but HIGHLY regulated.. To ME that means the government is telling women what they CAN, and CAN'T do with their own bodies..
So, Ya.. That means women DON'T have dominion over their own bodies..
Well, we'll just have to disagree about the wage issue.
Well, you frequently like to be wrong. The pay gap is seen when you compare all women to all men. Men work tougher jobs that pay more. Women don't work in coal mines. The wage gap is 3% when comparing women in the same industry to men. When in the same industry men get 3% more and that's because men work more hours. When you compare men and women performing the same, women get paid more.
But, I dunno WHY you'd think I left abortion out??
I didn't. Your statement didn't apply to abortion.
It's true.. Abortion IS legal in the US, but HIGHLY regulated.. To ME that means the government is telling women what they CAN, and CAN'T do with their own bodies..
You don't feel the same way about gun control.
So, Ya.. That means women DON'T have dominion over their own bodies..
The government doesn't allow me to drink and drive even if I don't hit anyone with my car. Damn regulations.
Lol. Last night you claimed it was a "fact" that Hitler was anti-gun. You quite literally would not know a fact if it jumped on your retarded face and began clawing out your eyes.
Fact: Last night you claimed Hitler introduced gun control to Germany.
False. "The Nazis actually used gun control." They used it in the sense that with gun control they were able to kill the population of Jews.
Fact: Hitler radically relaxed gun control in Germany. Guns were banned under the Weimar Republic.
This actually doesn't help your case. If we let the Democrats implement gun control the guy you call "literally Hitler" will wipe out a portion of the population.
Fact: When this was pointed out, you changed your argument to: "Hitler introduced gun control for Jews".
False again. I don't care who implemented it. I said he had it for his victims.
Fact: This is not the same argument.
My intention was never to discuss who implemented it. My intention was always to point out that millions of people died because of gun control.
Fact: You would rather change your argument than admit you made a mistake because you are arrogant, obnoxious and stupid.
I didn't know you were trying to point out a mistake I made. You are absolutely right. I don't care about exactly how the gun control that killed the Jews got put in place. If you weren't trying to claim that because the Nazis didn't implement gun control that gun control wasn't responsible for millions of dead Jews, I would have easily admitted the mistake. I didn't represent my argument in the perfect words. You are right.
Is your aim for this only toward women? Because Men also have to follow the dress code. It is not exclusively for women.
Men and Boys Sexualizing us:
Again, you speak as if women have the monopoly on being discriminated against. Men and boys experience this too. Also, I find it ironic how a feminist is speaking about being sexualized when the mainstream view over female sexual expression is praised among your peers. Ever been to a slut walk?
Not enough teaching of consent:
May I ask who is your targeted audience for this one? Is it only men or is it women as well? If it is only men then how about we talk about retracting consent. Do you agree that if two people agree to sexual relations and if one of them (the majority of the time women) regret doing the act he or she can report the other person for rape?
Sexual Abuse is 1 in 6:
Where did you get that number.
Pink Tax exist on things we need:
I do not like the taxation of items but If you are telling me that you cannot simply buy items that are cheaper then you are an idiot for spending more money on items such as razors just because they are pink. You remind me of tourist in Manhattan who spend 2 dollars for a 16 oz. bottle of water when in the Bronx it cost 50 cents.
Pay gap is a thing faced for people in first world countries:
Pay gap has been debunked so many times. Its not real. Go pick up a dictionary and look up the difference between wages and earnings.
Abortion is a right:
You do not have a right to kill another child just because it is an inconvenience.
