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I personally believe in God because of the fine-tuning of the universe. While this doesn't prove the Judeo-Christian God was in it I believe it is strong evidence of a God at it's least as the multiverse hypothesis has never been observed this is one of my many reasons for believing in God. If anyone wants to debate me I would be happy too.
99% of the universe is empty space uninhabitable by life. The rest of it is probably poorly suited for human life if at all. Earth isn't even "fine tuned" as most of it is water in which we land creatures cannot live and also contains other animals that will kill us, disease, and natural disasters galore. I ask you, how the hell is this fine tuned? Also how does the multiverse theory support a god? This is some of the poorest evidence for a god I've seen.
99% of the universe is empty space uninhabitable by life.
It could be 99.9%, but the fact that life exists at all is the mystery.
Earth isn't even "fine tuned" as most of it is water in which we land creatures cannot live and also contains other animals that will kill us, disease, and natural disasters galore.
Just about everything on earth needs water to survive.
As for animals, we're clearly the most dangerous one of all lol.
Disease... Who knows... Maybe it's for population control.
I ask you, how the hell is this fine tuned?
I never understood why people complain about being alive.
I personally think God is just our higher Self. I think there is one great energy that religions have been trying to put a name on for centuries. Science has proven that we are all made of energy. We technically are all one thing, we just have an illusion of individuality. Maybe we're just God playing that he's not.
99% of the universe is empty space uninhabitable by life. The rest of it is probably poorly suited for human life if at all. Earth isn't even "fine tuned" as most of it is water in which we land creatures cannot live and also contains other animals that will kill us, disease, and natural disasters galore. I ask you, how the hell is this fine tuned? Also how does the multiverse theory support a god? This is some of the poorest evidence for a god I've seen.
I said the multiverse hypothesis has never been observed. I will answer the rest on a different post
99% of the universe is empty space uninhabitable by life. The rest of it is probably poorly suited for human life if at all. Earth isn't even "fine tuned" as most of it is water in which we land creatures cannot live and also contains other animals that will kill us, disease, and natural disasters galore. I ask you, how the hell is this fine tuned?
I am talking about the actual physical laws themselves at it's very core.
The very fabric of matter is fine tuned to hold together. God makes all things consist.
Like a fool, you ask in the name of Hell how a fine tuned universe can contain emptiness and suffering. You don't have the authority to ask in the name of Hell unless it is your home.....and that authority does not carry enough weight for anybody, including God, to answer your demand for an answer. God can give you Hell for your answer at any moment. He loves you and does not want you to go to Hell.
You havent proven that you just asserted that. Matter is held together by forces we can test and empirically prove exist. Theyre measurable and testable but your god is not testable in any way. You cant confirm any gods exist. You just hope and tell yourself its true over and over and over until youre convinced it is.
Really? Explain the forces that hold matter together? Get right down to the bottom quark and all the stings you can imagine, and explain what holds it all together.
God is indeed "testable". You are testing Him now. You are testing His patience, and He is unwilling to let you die and go to Hell so He's keeping you here for now. He's going to run out of patience if you insist on thinking you can prove He is not good to you.
Gravity, strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force, electromagnetism, ect. Those are the fundamental forces of physics and we understand them well and can test and measure them.
LOL testing his patience. I like how you have to flip that into a little play on words because you can't actually test gods existence in any legitimate way. Get me some evidence because threatening me with hell fire is not going to get you anywhere
You are telling yourself a lie over and over and over, telling yourself that you are too good to end up stuck in Hell forever, and you keep on trying to make yourself believe it. If you insist on dying in your pride as you lie to yourself saying God cannot rule over or against you, you will wake up in Hell and remember that I tried to warn you and tell you how you can be saved and know your sins are forgiven and you are going to heaven.
I don't want to waste too much time with you. If you think you can prove God is not there, and there is no Hell, you might as well enjoy yourself as long as you can and I really don't care to watch your personal parade into Hell.
I can't prove god doesn't exist. But you can't prove he does. And that's the real problem. I don't have to reassure myself anything. I do not believe your god exists, simple. In place of that I turn to science and reason and empiricism to explain the world around me and it does that beautifully and with data to back it up. Much more that can be said for your fairy tales.
God proves Himself. He also proves that Hell imprisons sinners who are turned against Him. He is giving you time to believe in His mercy, and trust His Son who He gave to pay for your sins so you won't have to pay yourself in Hell.
I don't have to prove any of this. The truth stands if you believe it or not. You will see. It does not matter if you believe it or not now. You will believe Hell is real, if you have to find yourself there unable to escape before you believe it.
You believe whatever you want to believe. The Bible says atheists are fools for good reason.
He also proves that Hell imprisons sinners who are turned against Him. He is giving you time to believe in His mercy, and trust His Son who He gave to pay for your sins so you won't have to pay yourself in Hell.
And im open to receiving any evidence of his existence from either you or him anytime you feel like actually making a fucking argument.
I don't have to prove any of this
You couldnt even if you tried.
If you're gonna claim god exists then you need to back that up with some kind of substance otherwise dont expect anyone to bother listening to your drivel let alone believe it.
The truth stands if you believe it or not
Sure does
You will see. It does not matter if you believe it or not now. You will believe Hell is real, if you have to find yourself there unable to escape before you believe it.
Ooooh im quaking in my boots. Im sure you'll enjoy the flames of hell too if the Muslims are right huh? And perhaps ill see you in the Underworld floating down the river Styx if the Greeks were right? They dont have to prove it either. They make the same bogus claims you do.
You believe whatever you want to believe.
Ill believe whats supported by the EVIDENCE.
The Bible says atheists are fools for good reason.
The atheists who consistently outrank theists in both IQ and religious knowledge. Cool.
I"m sorry, you are another foul mouth who has shown themselves to be repulsive to goodness. Your sin separates you from God, and if you don't get saved by Jesus Christ before it's too late, you are going to be forever separated from God in the lake of fire, which is the second death. You are in the first death now, you need life, eternal life, now or all you have is dying.
This is really all I can give in response to your posts since the wording from you I have seen is stuff I don't want in my head. I'm not looking at what you write any more unless I see clear changes in attitude. All you are doing is heaping up more of God's wrath against your sin. If you don't want to hear about it, don't read my posts. If you respond to my posts, I'm going to preach the gospel of the resurrection of God the Creator who died in your place to be your Savior if you will believe from your heart that God has raised Him from the dead.
Blah blah blah blah blah lake of fire blah blah Jesus blah. Get some fucking proof.
this is really all I can give in response
No you could make an argument for why your shit is true and use EVIDENCE to convince me your side is correct. Ya know, like a debate. This is a debate website you know. Going around spouting religious nonsense in people's faces then hiding behind your "I don't have to prove it" defense is just pointless.
Why would I change my attitude? And why would I even engage any further with you? You're out of substance. You've even said you have no interest in making any arguments. So fine don't respond, you haven't got shit to say by your own admission.
If I respond you're going to spout the same bullshit without making any real arguments. Wow you're such a valuable member of a DEBATE site. Go prostletize somewhere else you brainwashed goon.
There won't be any swearing in heaven, and if this were my website there would be no swearing here without you being permanently banned from the site. If you are proud of being foul mouth, I have to say you are either lost and on your way to Hell or God is going to change your speech.
I personally believe in God because of the fine-tuning of the universe
What fine tuning? Everywhere I look I see lack of resources, lack of food, disease, animals that want to kill and consume me, dangerous environments... shall I go on?
What fine tuning? Everywhere I look I see lack of resources, lack of food, disease, animals that want to kill and consume me, dangerous environments... shall I go on?
I am talking about the physical constants of the Universe itself such as the Cosmological Constant.
Cosmological Constant? Do you mean the First Cause Argument?
They are different things. It was mainly rejected by it's own creator Einstein but has made a major come back and has become the mainstream explanation for dark energy.
Dark energy is the name given to whatever is causing the expansion of the universe to accelerate. One theory predicts that an unchanging entity pervading space called the cosmological constant, originally suggested by Albert Einstein, is behind dark energy. But a popular alternative, called rolling scalar fields, suggests that whatever's causing dark energy isn't a constant, but has changed through time.
I copied this from your third link since it was the most clear and easy to understand.
This information, does not support the idea of a "god". Correct me if I am wrong, but you are asserting that whatever is behind Dark energy must be a "god". This is irrational as your conclusion does not have any evidence supporting it and you are also disregarding all of the other possibilities.
This information, does not support the idea of a "god". Correct me if I am wrong, but you are asserting that whatever is behind Dark energy must be a "god". This is irrational as your conclusion does not have any evidence supporting it and you are also disregarding all of the other possibilities
Can I get clarification are you saying that dark energy is what I think is God?
You die for your own sins. You deserve to die, you don't deserve to live or you would not die. Your life cannot be justified by your existence as you are a sinner who has sinned against God and deserves to die.
The only thing keeping you in time here is God. If you think you keep yourself here, or other people keep you here, why can't they keep you here? Why do you use a pervert's screen name? Are you a pervert?
God loves you. The fine tuning of the universe is handiwork....and it is deteriorated, deteriorating, because of sin. God is going to restore the universe, remake it, to be what He made it as before man's sin ruined it....it will be perfect, no chaos, no disruptions, no more death...death and Hell will be confined forever in the Lake of Fire. God is good, and it's good to know He cares enough to get rid of all evil forever. The question is, where will you be?
No, it is non existent. There is no fine tuning. There is a tiny portion of the universe the it is habitable for life. That is not fine tuning, that is the absence of fine tuning.
God is going to restore the universe, remake it, to be what He made it as before man's sin ruined it
I hope not, because He already screwed it up once before.
God is good, and it's good to know He cares enough to get rid of all evil forever.
YES !! i believe in God, in all honesty how would a small child ( Heaven Is Real ) make up that story about seeing God? How would he know what his grandfather looked like when he's was younger?
The god of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Atheism is the same god...existentialism's god, a god which makes you believe that you have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell while you deny that God rules over you.
Sure it's overused but big debates like this are fun to re-do sometimes. Not too often but sometimes. As new debators arrive with new arguments and new arguments are popping up all the time. Unoriginal? Yes. Unnecessary? No.
Nothing new is ever said! It's been done to death. I'd say literally to get my point across but that'd just be a grammatical error.
Everyone always says the same thing. Besides, this isn't even the overused "Does God exist" debate, this is a personal question, that has only subjective answers.
I have not been presented with the evidence necessary to meet the needs of the extraordinary claim that is gods existence. There is a multitude of evidence for the contrary, that this world and universe is the product of purely natural processes, no gods required. If you want a debate then I'm game but know I've been around this question's block a few times.
Do you get my point though? Your beliefs require as much faith as a theists. Neither an atheist or a theist's beliefs are based on solid fact, so calling them ignorant because their guess is different than yours is ridiculous. Take away all of your notions of "God" that have come from religions, and assume the Big Bang and evolution occurred... Is it still impossible, in your opinion, that a higher power could exist?
No actually I don't. It's the fact that I don't have faith in a god that makes me an atheist not that I have faith that a god doesn't exist. And on scientific things I accept them because of evidence not faith. As soon as evidence comes into the equation were no longer talking about faith. Theists beliefs are not based on fact and atheists dont have any beliefs at all. I'm not calling them stupid because they're different from my beliefs I'm calling them stupid because they're non evidence based idiotic assumptions here say and stories.
1) I don't need to assume evolution is true it is true.
2) I never said it was impossible for a god to exist. I simply equated it to the likelyhood that any fairytale exists. Which is the slimmest possibility conceivable. Sure a god COULD exist, anything we can imagine COULD exist given the possibility everything we know about anything suddenly changes and reality shifts so radically. That doesn't mean we have to consider them for a second and humor religious nutters
No actually I don't. It's the fact that I don't have faith in a god that makes me an atheist not that I have faith that a god doesn't exist.
You do have faith because you have complete trust in the scientific theories of how life began. Faith is not just a religious word.
And on scientific things I accept them because of evidence not faith. As soon as evidence comes into the equation were no longer talking about faith.
Their theories are falsifiable though. How many times has a scientific theory been accepted and then later on been proven innaccurate? A lot.
Also, the evidence that you trust in, in no way does it contradict the existence of a Creator. Maybe the Abrahamic god, assuming most of their religious texts are meant to be taken literally.
Theists beliefs are not based on fact and atheists dont have any beliefs at all.
Some theists believe in the same theories as you, all the way up until who or what started the Big Bang. If theories are based on observations, how did scientists come to the conclusion that intelligent beings came from something unintelligent? That has never been observed, so their argument is actually more strange than a theists.
I'm not calling them stupid because they're different from my beliefs I'm calling them stupid because they're non evidence based idiotic assumptions here say and stories.
I think there is evidence, it just isn't the type of evidence that scientists want to recognize.
One would obviously be if we were going off of human observation, like I explained in one of my prior comments. Another would be NDE's. Thousands, if not millions, of people who have died and come back have said that there is a God and an afterlife, even atheists. All of the NDE's are a little different, but they all have similarities. They often come back with knowledge that could not have been gained if they weren't concsious when they died. They also typically report the discovery that everything is one and that god is our higher Self, and we are just it (no gender) exploring itself, basically. Science is starting to agree with that. No matter their religion, they also come back saying that religion doesn't matter. The people who have these experiences have significant positive changes in their lives.
So, whatever truly triggers those experiences needs to be studied more, but for now, I'd say that is probably good evidence for a "god", considering it is direct observation from millions of individuals.
1) I don't need to assume evolution is true it is true.
I believe it is too.
2) I never said it was impossible for a god to exist. I simply equated it to the likelyhood that any fairytale exists.
The existence of a higher power is a possibility that shouldn't be discarded. We can find the many contradictions within the religions, but their books were written by men. Of course they'll be flawed. The argument should not be atheism versus Christianity/Judaism/Islam. It should simply be atheism versus theism.
Which is the slimmest possibility conceivable.
For a fairy tale to exist? Well, yeah. We know who wrote them and why. God wouldn't be a fairy tale though if we were to disconnect the idea of it from religion.
Sure a god COULD exist, anything we can imagine COULD exist given the possibility everything we know about anything suddenly changes and reality shifts so radically.
Yeah, and keep in mind our perception. Our entire world is based on our five senses. If nobody could see color, then we would assume the world was black and white. If nobody could hear, we would not be able to comprehend sound. My point is what if there is something beyond our comprehension? Maybe we are limited for a reason.
That doesn't mean we have to consider them for a second and humor religious nutters
Don't humor the religious. They go too far anyways. But that doesn't mean you can't ponder the idea of a "god".
Science and religion agree that we were created from the earth. Our planet grows organisms, and everyone recognizes that. Religion explains this with silly metaphors though. It is a story telling technique that is basically dead in modern-times. You were probably the type that read Aesop's Fables and only noticed the talking animals, not the message lol.
It would do you some good to drop your materialist point of view and think outside of the box. You may not come to a theistic conclusion, but at least you wouldn't be distracted by this giant illusion that we are living in.
If I'm wasting my time with you, just let me know and I'll make sure not to respond anymore.
Holy shit! This is incredible LOL! The Simpsons? Why do you continually refuse to pay attention to what I type? I am not arguing in favor of the Judeo-Christian story of creation. My idea of creation is the same as yours, I just believe intelligence was behind it.
Why do you respond to my arguments if you make absolutely no attempt to refute my claims? Your responses belong in the YouTube comments section, not a debate site.
Why is giving credit to a god the most irrational idea ever? Because of the lack of evidence there is. The lack of evidence points towards the conclusion that there either isn't a god, or there is a god that has no impact whatsoever on our lives.
Note: In this post I am referring to the main idea of a "god". The being described by Christianity, Islam, and the other Abrahamic religions is most certainly impossible.
Why is giving credit to a god the most irrational idea ever? Because of the lack of evidence there is. The lack of evidence points towards the conclusion that there either isn't a god, or there is a god that has no impact whatsoever on our lives.
I am going to respond on the fine-tuning argument we were in.
Note: In this post I am referring to the main idea of a "god". The being described by Christianity, Islam, and the other Abrahamic religions is most certainly impossible.
You don't know who created the universe because you don't want to know....you don't want to acknowledge God and submit to His rule over you and all of His creation.
I know God, and you will see He is Jesus Christ who died for you...I hope you see and get saved from Hell before you find yourself unable to get out of the fire.
There is no positive proof of any deity's existence. People often cite some sort of 'evidence' and say a god had done that, but in reality the evidence they cite is just evidence for itself with a deity tacked on as some sort of unconfirmable, untestable explanation.
Sure there are things we cannot prove yet, that doesn't mean a god did it. To claim so is just 'god of the gaps' where scientific advances can interfere with beliefs that were held without testable evidence. This can result in showing a deity did not have a hand in what the previous belief claimed and the deity's realm of control shrinks, some belief systems just move the goal posts or ignore the evidence to keep their beliefs then.
To change my mind I would need to see some sort of testable measurable evidence, not just assertions.
Sure there are things we cannot prove yet, that doesn't mean a god did it. To claim so is just 'god of the gaps' where scientific advances can interfere with beliefs that were held without testable evidence. This can result in showing a deity did not have a hand in what the previous belief claimed and the deity's realm of control shrinks, some belief systems just move the goal posts or ignore the evidence to keep their beliefs then.
We do know what the effects of gravity if they were different would have on different solar system and unless they have a fixed set of narrow ranges they fall apart easily. It shows that the constants themselves are fine-tuned in someway. It is one of the plenty evidences of God.
It shows that the constants themselves are fine-tuned in someway. It is one of the plenty evidences of God.
This is an example of what I am talking about. Evidence of universal laws are evidence of themselves, that is it. You are tacking a creator on there as an explanation but with no way to test that idea.
If I say an electron has a negative charge, we can test that and show it has a negative charge. It is evidence of itself. If you say god created it that way, you cannot show this or prove it. You are asserting this without proof.
This is an example of what I am talking about. Evidence of universal laws are evidence of themselves, that is it. You are tacking a creator on there as an explanation but with no way to test that idea.
If I say an electron has a negative charge, we can test that and show it has a negative charge. It is evidence of itself. If you say god created it that way, you cannot show this or prove it. You are asserting this without proof.
I am it is that the laws of nature themselves appear to be intelligently designed.
Yup, you have already asserted that. Now how would you go about testing that idea? How did a creator have their hand in it. Not the idea that if things were different they wouldn't work the same way (which is obvious).
Subjunctive fallacy. We cannot test something that is a 'what if' type thing with any degree of certainty. We cannot test that idea as we do not have that type of reality to use for a control.
If you accept that form of logic to be true then you have to accept my rebuttal.
If the laws were different it is entirely plausible that a different type of life would have formed.
We cannot test something that is a 'what if' type thing with any degree of certainty. We cannot test that idea as we do not have that type of reality to use for a control.
If you accept that form of logic to be true then you have to accept my rebuttal.
If the laws were different it is entirely plausible that a different type of life would have formed.
Do you see the error in the type of logic?
We do know if gravity was different stars and planets would form so how would life?
A subjunctive is a hypothetical, there is that type of fallacy. If I were there I would have done X, If so and so player would have just passed me the ball we would have won etc. If the laws were different there would be no life. If the laws were different we would have different life.
It is also called a conditional fallacy sometimes.
In the example above we do not know if a different type of life would or would not have formed. We do not have the knowledge to claim either way with any certainty because it is not testable.
A subjunctive is a hypothetical, there is that type of fallacy. If I were there I would have done X, If so and so player would have just passed me the ball we would have won etc. If the laws were different there would be no life. If the laws were different we would have different life.
It is also called a conditional fallacy.
In the example above we do not know if a different type of life would or would not have formed. We do not have the knowledge to claim either way with any certainty because it is not testable.
A subjunctive is a hypothetical, there is that type of fallacy. If I were there I would have done X, If so and so player would have just passed me the ball we would have won etc. If the laws were different there would be no life. If the laws were different we would have different life.
It is also called a conditional fallacy.
In the example above we do not know if a different type of life would or would not have formed. We do not have the knowledge to claim either way with any certainty because it is not testable.
I mean we can test it in labs as we know what would happen if the laws of gravity were different and dark matter.
Matter is subject to the natural laws, we cannot change these laws to test matter we can only test matter under the current laws that they are subject to as they exist in that state. To be clear I am not saying if the natural laws were different matter would be the same, obviously it wouldn't as it would be subject to different laws. No one is contesting that.
I am saying under the subjunctive fallacy neither of us can claim life would or would not come from such a condition with any amount of certainty. It is clear life as we know it would not exist under such conditions. But lets just say we can and skip to my main contention.
By "God" in this case I mean a intelligent designer.It could even be aliens. The point is a universe allowing intelligent life is extremely unlikely and I am not claiming by itself is prove of God. It is in my opinion it is one of the weaker arguments. I am trying to test new ones out and learn at the same time.
Ah, well then I guess this is not the proof I am looking for.
As for life being extremely unlikely, that is plausible. But know that the portion of the universe we have probed with science is incredibly minute. In fact the portion of our galaxy we have probed is incredibly minute. To look at MUCH less than 1% of anything and draw a concrete conclusion is a terrible idea.
Ah, well then I guess this is not the proof I am looking for.
As for life being extremely unlikely, that is plausible. But know that the portion of the universe we have probed with science is incredibly minute. In fact the portion of our galaxy we have probed is incredibly minute. To look at MUCH less than 1% of anything and draw a concrete conclusion is a terrible idea.
I would not think the laws of physics would be different in other parts of our universe.
Life as we know it forms in a habitable zone needing water and a certain amount of gravity. As we are exploring our small area we have found many planets that meet the criteria for life that we can easily recognize. We lack the ability to probe the majority of these areas for life though.
My point was we have only looked for other signs of life in an incredibly small portion of what we know exists.
Life as we know it forms in a habitable zone needing water and a certain amount of gravity. As we are exploring our small area we have found many planets that meet the criteria for life that we can easily recognize. We lack the ability to probe the majority of these areas for life though.
My point was we have only looked for other signs of life in an incredibly small portion of what we know exists.
Ah, well then I guess this is not the proof I am looking for.
As for life being extremely unlikely, that is plausible. But know that the portion of the universe we have probed with science is incredibly minute. In fact the portion of our galaxy we have probed is incredibly minute. To look at MUCH less than 1% of anything and draw a concrete conclusion is a terrible idea.
I am simply stating that a universe that produces intelligent life is unusually rare considering all the variables. Thank you for debating my new argument I made and borrowed from different sources. I'll think we got to a tie or a win for you unless you want to continue.
I just like to discuss issues. It helps me explore ideas and see others point of view. Votes and winning are not really what this debate site is good for.
I just like to discuss issues. It helps me explore ideas and see others point of view. Votes and winning are not really what this debate site is good for.
no, if I don't know then I just don't know. I do not assume that because I have never seen or understood proof of graviton ...that gravity is done by magic by wizard/god/deity/unicorns...
The laws of physics were created by God. The root of evilution is abiogenesis which violates the law of physics......all of evilution violates the law of physics, and you MUST have blind faith to believe it did, does, or will ever happen.
Entropy increases. Order does not proceed out of chaos. Life does not emerge from non-life. Matter can neither be destroyed or created....after God created it and governs it by the laws of physics.
The other option is to believe in the eternality of matter, with matter congealing out of energy perhaps, and perhaps not....and then life assembling itself and making itself reproduce. It takes a universe of blind faith to believe that stuff...but it's easier than to admit that we deserve to die and burn in Hell. People generally prefer to believe they have the right to exist outside of Hell and will do anything they can, believe whatever seems best, to convince themselves that they are exempt from Hell and God does not care.
If you ask honest questions, and accept honest answers, you will know the truth and the truth will make you free. If you seek God, you will find Him if you seek Him with all of your heart. You can know Him personally, and trust Him forever. I know because God said so....God loves you.
The root of evilution is abiogenesis which violates the law of physics
Abiogenesis doesn't violate the laws of physics. This is just a massively false statement.
.all of evilution violates the law of physics, and you MUST have blind faith to believe it did, does, or will ever happen.
Nope, also not true at all.
Entropy increases.
Only for isolated systems of which the Earth is not.
Order does not proceed out of chaos.
What laws of physics are you basing this on?
Life does not emerge from non-life.
It has.
Matter can neither be destroyed or created....after God created it and governs it by the laws of physics.
No creating or destroying of matter is going on.
The other option
You completely failed to disprove that actual belief. Introducing another belief is just a strawman.
People generally prefer to believe they have the right to exist outside of Hell and will do anything they can, believe whatever seems best, to convince themselves that they are exempt from Hell and God does not care.
If that were true, why are there so many of you Christians running around?
If you ask honest questions, and accept honest answers, you will know the truth and the truth will make you free.
And if you don't, you post on an account named Saintnow and describe your sadness to make yourself feel better.
You go on believing you have the right to exist outside of Hell, and go on believing the people who say they have proof that you are entitled to be free of Hell forever.......I hope you can keep it up for a long long time.
They are repeating themselves, like you are. How long can they, or you, repeat themselves? You need to be saved or you will be lost. If you don't have eternal life with God, you have eternal death, separated by your sin from God forever and He has no place for you other than Hell.
There is no other answer for atheism or agnosticism. Jesus Christ is the answer, and Hell is what you get if you reject the answer of God who wants you to have eternal life.
I believe it's possible for something to click in your brain, and the light switch be turned on and you realize that Jesus is the Light of the World and will be your light, your life, forever if you believe on Him. I know what I'm talking about, and that's why I keep saying it. I don't want anybody to end up in Hell, and I know most of the people here are sliding down to it.
If you don't want to be saved, you won't be converted and there's nothing I can do about it. You can remain as you are, dying, forever if you think that's the way to go.
The only thing you are destroying is yourself. There is no wisdom, nor counsel, nor understanding against the Lord. This is not my argument. I'm simply agreeing with God and you are fighting against Him. You are playing the fool's part and will wake up in Hell if you don't get saved from it before it's too late.
You are destroying yourself. You love death and hate God. Admit it. You think you can get out of punishment through death, you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell based on the fact that you are not in the fire now. Admit it. Try to be honest for a minute.
You think you can get out of punishment through death, you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell based on the fact that you are not in the fire now. Admit it.
Yeah, actually, that one is true. Have you finally listened to what we have been telling you?
There is no positive proof of any deity's existence. People often cite some sort of 'evidence' and say a god had done that, but in reality the evidence they cite is just evidence for itself with a deity tacked on as some sort of unconfirmable, untestable explanation.
Sure there are things we cannot prove yet, that doesn't mean a god did it. To claim so is just 'god of the gaps' where scientific advances can interfere with beliefs that were held without testable evidence. This can result in showing a deity did not have a hand in what the previous belief claimed and the deity's realm of control shrinks, some belief systems just move the goal posts or ignore the evidence to keep their beliefs then.
To change my mind I would need to see some sort of testable measurable evidence, not just assertions.
Not at all, you can test it and measure it yourself...that's what you are doing, slowly, until you get the results and you will know. It's possible that you could know now before you are stuck in the fire where you won't bother doing any more testing and measuring. I guess you just want to keep testing and measuring until the results come in....and I'm telling you, they are coming....just keep on testing and measuring and you will see.
Here's how you test...ask yourself if you have sinned against God and broken His law.
Here's how you measure....ask yourself if you have the right to live, and ask yourself for the measure of your time to live........
Or....don't bother, just wait and see and you will get testable, measurable evidence that Hell is real and unforgiven sinners perish there forever.
I believe that there is possibility of a god, but not one that did not come into being as the result of natural processes (evolution); it would not really be a god.
