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Do you believe in the Big Bang Theory or God?
Who believes in the Big bang Theory?? There is a reason why they call it a theory. Because it is not yet proven and it will never be. How do you prove that we "used to be apes"? If we were from apes, why are there some apes that did not become humans? Ask yourselves this. How do you explain every single one of us being different. Every single one of us is different, special and unique. Example: Every single one of us have a different fingerprint. One word explains it all: God. It says in the Bible, with God, all things are possible. That explains it ALL. With a touch of His finger, he created the mighty and vast universe. You do realise there are many universes and up to this date, men cannot find out how many galaxies, stars, universes there are. Only God knows. He knows how many hair strands you have on your head. He knows your thoughts before you even think them. Why do people stall about Judgement Day? Because they know there is a God. Read the Bible and everything starts to make sense. See? It will open your eyes and you will finally know how much God loves you. Which side do you choose Science or God?
God IS the Creator God! And not like the lame Genesis story. God uses science and physics. He used the Big Bang to get us here. Makes perfect sense. My church teaches us that religion and science should compliment each other. Not oppose. Thus is how God works!!
You don't know because you are ignorant. God created the heavens and the Earth. It's simple. You can know, but you want to believe that you don't know so you do not know.
God created the universe by His Word. "A big poof" is kind of a slangy way of saying it. "A "poof" implies something like an exploding puff of dust. God created things with order, which was more than "poofing". You are insulting God to say He "poofed". I think you are the poofer. God is the God of order.
Me saying "poof" isn't an insult at all. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. When I say poof I am just saying God just made the universe appear out of nowhere. There was a void before any of this was here.
Why would the "big bang" imply anything other than the moment of the actualization of love into creation from the theological standpoint. Why wouldn't God still be the author of life? I guess what I'm asking you to clarify is whether or not you are approaching the question of creation from pure material cosmology, or are you supportive of the theological creation only? It sounds as if you are a Christian, by use of this statement, (which I am also), but reluctant to embrace the idea that in a sense physics and metaphysics work together in description of the universe in both material and theological/philosophical perspectives. In other words, are you a Christian who rules out the theory of "intlligent design", wherein the Christian ends up by necessity denying the material science?
Because you are not answering, I have to assume you are a Christian like many who think being a Christian is about what you do rather than about being in God's Kingdom with eternal life NOW.
If the devil is real, then so is God. Also, if God is real, then so is the devil. I can agree with that. What I CAN'T agree with is that either one is real.
Understandable. Being aware of the existence of either is only possible through magical otherworldly experiences. Dabble in witchcraft or the sacred arts of meditation for awhile and you will see the truth. Pick one path though or none at all, because switching leads to dastardly results.
You won't. You could but you won't. You won't because you don't want to. You don't want to because you love darkness where you feel like you are hidden so your evils are not exposed.
Are you serious? God Himself gave His blood as payment for you to break that pact. You can trust Him to relieve you from paying under the agreement you made with the devil. He (God) will pardon you and justify you for eternal life and let the devil go to Hell. You don't have to go with the devil. Those demons can be kept away from you.
I was haunted much the same as you say you are because I unwittingly made the same kind of pact with the devil when I was a child. I made that pact through a Ouiji board. Hauntings are increasing in modern times because more and more people are making such pacts intentionally or unintentionally, not knowing what they are getting into when they dabble with magic and occult things which are so widely promoted in modern media.
If you willingly concede a place in your soul to devils, they have legal right to that ground and they will stomp on you in it as much as they can. They hate you because you are made in God's image and they want to destroy you because they know they are being destroyed, they know you can be saved and they cannot be saved. They hate you and the only way they can strike back at God is to pull you down into their destruction. Only God keeps them from literally tearing your to pieces like a pack of wild dogs would devour a lamb.
I too made a pact with the devil when I was a child...around ten yrs old, maybe a little younger. I was haunted and tormented at times awake and asleep. I was set free from those demons, they are gone...they all left at once in the name of Jesus Christ who created them. You can be free and know you have God's forgiveness.
They are trying to devour you, to pull you down to Hell with them. God loves you and wants you to be saved and live in Heaven forever free with Him. The pact you made can be broken if you will be honest with God and willing to forsake the sins you have chosen for their pleasures.
No religion can save you. Only a Savior can save you. Go on and try to save yourself...oh yeah, you think you don't need to be saved. I think you're a fool.
Dying. You are dying and need to be saved from it. You are a fool daring God to prove He rules over you. Your dying is going to continue forever in Hell with nothing good from God like water and food. Separated by your sin from God forever in death the same as you are now with no more mercy of goodness from God in the water that cools your tongue.
If you think your dying does not establish the fact that you need to be saved, I think your brain is fried and your body is going to be next frying in Hell. If you want to see Hell as an established fact, just wait and see while you deny that you are an idiot the whole time you wait to see if Hell is burning hot.
The disconnect here is that you think it is obvious that Hell exists. I accept that I am dying, in the sense that I am not immortal, just like every other person who has ever lived.
If you could show me evidence of a dead person who followed similar actions as me and prove that they are now suffering in Hell, then you would have a point.
If you want to see Hell as an established fact, just wait and see while you deny that you are an idiot the whole time you wait to see if Hell is burning hot.
If you are so sure that I am being an idiot, explain why. You claim it's your goal to save others by convincing them, so explain how you were convinced.
I can't save anybody. I never said it is my goal to save others. Jesus Christ is the Savior, I am not the Savior. You are lost and need to be saved and are an idiot because you are dying and saying you don't need to be saved. How idiotic can a person be?
again, If you want to see Hell as an established fact, just wait and see ....while you deny that you are an idiot the whole time you wait to see if Hell is burning hot.
There has been nothing that I have seen that suggests that death is something that I need to be saved from.
again, If you want to see Hell as an established fact, just wait and see
You can continue to make that argument, but you're not making a point. If I were to say to you, "Oh, you don't think the Norse afterlife is real? Just wait and see..." would that do anything to convince you that the Norse afterlife is real?
If you think you don't need to be saved, then don't be saved and see if you hate yourself for not believing you need to be and can be saved from the fire of Hell, fool.
That's about as dumb of a question as can be asked. How can a created thing make the Creator of all things?
I suppose the next thing you will ask is "Can God make a rock so big that He cannot move it?" God cannot stop being God, He cannot be created like you were. Asking dumb questions won't make God stop being God.
The Big Bang theory, is just a theory it is not proven. But if it was proven this does not imply there is no God. As a matter of fact it only supports that there is a God. For most likely it was God that made the Big Bang. Something had to cause it. If there was nothing there to cause it, obviously it came from God.
The imaginary big band would have caused disorder, chaos. That is not God's way. The big band is ungodly, unbiblical, anti-Christian and should in no way be upheld, believed, or promoted by Christians. On close examination, I have yet to find one person who can explain how they know they are saved from Hell and are born of God's Spirit when they believe God used a big bank of chaos to bring us into existence. It goes against the laws of physics which govern God's creation, His law ruling over nature.
God in fact utilized the Bug Bang to create the Cosmos.
It was far from disorderly or chaotic. It was fine tuned for us. If any of several parameters like gravity of mass or anti matter or chemical Balances would have been off by a millionth of a percentage point we would not be here.
Atheist Cosmologists even admit that the universe seems to have been fine tuned for life. Hawking admitted this!
God uses science. Just like He used Evolution. A shame you don't know this. Your Bible god is too small. The true Creator God is much larger and smarter and more powerful.
And what the fuck is a big band anyway? Like Artie Shaw, ya mean? LOL
There are many good authors of fiction in the world.....The Emperor Constantine isn't one of them. Now, if I could see a signed copy by the Original (alleged) author, I might believe. Then we would know just what HIS name is, just what HIS orders were, just which "holy book" is the correct one, just which (if any) religion had it right, and we could stop killing each other in his name (whatever that actually is). Maybe then, after we see HIS actual rules and wishes, we'll understand WHY he allows his FAULTY "creations" to kill his innocent ones....as in Sandy Hook, as in 9/11, as in UVA, etc.etc. Sorry, I just can't worship something that doesn't seem to care about his "creations".
Just a point of clarification: The Bible wasn't authored by one single person. It is an amalgamation of writings by a variety of people that was selected by a council of religious authorities.
This particular "authorization" I was speaking of was under an "Emperor". any "council of religious authorities" under an emperor, I'm sure, leaned heavily toward that emperor's wishes.
God does care about his creation. And it is not God that did 9/11 or any other tragedies. Those are acts of lucifer, deceiving the people into doing what he wants. It's not that God allows us to kill each other, he just allows us to choose. We will all be judged accordingly. If it was up to you or me, 9/11 would have never happened, for we would have chosen otherwise. You saying "I can't worship anything that doesn't care about his creation", is implying he created us, you just can't worship it. So you see even without you accepting him, the Holy Spirit is still in you. For you know what is write and wrong. The thoughts in your head saying I better not do this, or I better do this, that is God communicating to you through the Holy Spirit. If there is no such thing as God than everything would be permissible. Human nature is to take or have what we want. So without a God, murder would not be frowned upon, for like all nature it would be only the strong survive. And that would be acceptable. It is only through God that we have feeling's of write and wrong.
Without God, murder would not be frowned upon." Really? If someone murdered your mother, father, wife, husband....you would not frown upon it? You're friends and family would not frown upon it?? NO! Humanity would STILL frown upon it! Any decent human being would frown upon it! I have no "god", yet I frowned upon that mentioned above. I frowned upon that which happened to those Roanoke newspeople, those in the movie theaters and schools! I frown upon the NRA! An organization of which I used to be a proud member. I taught gun safety classes sanctioned by them, I shot in matches sanctioned by them. (Won some too!) Human decency and compassion does not need a "god" to exist. It is a part of the human psyche, just as love is! Satan, Lucifer, God, Allah ALL parts of the human Psyche. "Human nature is to take or have what we want." THERE, I'll agree. Some take "God", some take Lucifer, some take love, some take hate, some take God or Allah and turn it to hate. No, thank you. I'll stick with my "godless" human compassion and decency, which is MY human nature, which only comes through "god" if YOU believe it.
I have NO problem with ANYones religion, unlike most of those WITH a religion. I have NO problem with ANYones race or nationality or gender or sexual preference. I only care about the PERSON. If that is "GOD" communicating to me through the "holy spirit", WHY do I have no use for either? I try to think "outside the book". "Write\"...or wrong.
Reading the Bible accomplishes different things for different people. For you, it may give you answers. To others, it doesn't. I am willing to be Cartman has indeed read the Bible. That doesn't mean he will come to your conclusions.
if you scroll up a little you can see yourself repeating exactly what cartman did in response to genericname's argument. you split your counterargument into 4 parts. cartman split his into 6. in both cases each argument identified and argued a different point.
so it was very hypocritical of you to ban or report cartman
Who believes in the Big bang Theory?? There is a reason why they call it a theory. Because it is not yet proven and it will never be.
I suggest you look up what a scientific theory is, because it clearly isn't what you think.
How do you prove that we "used to be apes"? If we were from apes, why are there some apes that did not become humans?
Same with evolution. But to address this common misconception: The current primates that exist share a common ancestor with us. We did not come from any of the modern species of primates.
Ask yourselves this. How do you explain every single one of us being different. Every single one of us is different, special and unique.
Every single sexually reproducing creature is different, special, and unique, be they humans or otherwise. That is the nature of sexual reproduction and genetic mutations.
Example: Every single one of us have a different fingerprint. One word explains it all: God. It says in the Bible, with God, all things are possible.
That doesn't explain anything That is simply saying "I don't know, therefore God".
Read the Bible and everything starts to make sense. See? It will open your eyes and you will finally know how much God loves you. Which side do you choose Science or God?
I hoped by the end of this post you would have done better than this. Please don't make debate topics as an excuse to proselytize and preach at people. This isn't the website for that sort of thing.
I suggest you look up what a scientific theory is, because it clearly isn't what you think.
I looked up the meaning and it said this: a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
I looked up the meaning and it said this: a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
That means you looked up the definition of the word theory.
Same with evolution. But to address this common misconception: The current primates that exist share a common ancestor with us. We did not come from any of the modern species of primates.
A picture somebody created that depicts an ancestor that looks vaguely like a chimpanzee doesn't really prove anything. If you are looking for evidence of what I am saying, look here.
genericname is correct. you ignored "we did not come from any of the modern species of primates"
that picture illustrates a branch of the general process of evolution but does not show you the network of species coming off it. when generic name says we share a common ancestor, he means once upon a time there was a primate we branched out from that is not present in the current species of primates. this is because it evolved and underwent selection to a point where it's characteristics were no longer completely the same as it's ancestor
Sounds to me like you think this website does not have the mental capacity to debate God's right to rule over you and leave you in Hell if you insist He does not have the right to rule over you. It sounds to me like you think this website is for small minded people.
There is a lot of evidence that the Big Bang happened. First, it is observable that the universe is expanding because of the fact that nearby solar systems are moving away from us. Also, two astronomers found microwave radiation that is assumed to be remnants of heat from the Big Bang. The abundance of light elements like hydrogen and helium also supports this theory.
On a side note: humans didn't evolve from apes. We just shared a common ancestor. So if you're looking at a gorilla in a zoo, you could be watching your great-times-a-million cousin eat a banana.
Also, what concrete evidence is there that God is even real? At least I provided evidence for the Big Bang, and not "I know it's true in my heart" and "It is the way" that supporters of the opposition are saying.
True, but even with insurmountable evidence that leaves with beyond a doubt that the theory is true, it still has the slight chance of being proved wrong. Theories can be disproven, the Big Bang is just what makes sense right now with what we know and with what we can interpret from that evidence.
The "big bang" only makes sense if you want to believe nonsense. Life does not emerge out of non-living things. Inserting quadrillions of billions of years can't make it happen.
Life is formed when a biomolecule is made. Molecules are formed all the time in nature, including biomolecules. Biomolecules are mainly carbon, which is very abundant. "Biotic" and "abiotic" are just classifications of matter, much like solid, liquid, gas, and plasma.
The big bang makes sense only if you want to believe it, and if you want to believe life has no objective value or meaning. If you want to believe you have the right to live outside of the fire of Hell as a sinner, then run with the big bang theory as long as you can...if you decide the big bang theory violates the laws of physics and you can't run with it any longer, you might want to adopt existentialism, or some other form of Hinduistic belief system which teaches that you have the right to live outside of Hell as a sinner, and run with that as long as you can. There are many beliefs you can run with as long as you can be dying outside of the fire of Hell as a sinner.
Exactly, as with the Bible and Qur'an, neither is based on any provable "fact", more hearsay than theory, (which is why I cannot understand its being used in a court of law). Since "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion....etc." It seems we should be swearing on the Constitution, not this Bible. Could we maybe swear on the Qur'an?? Not ME! I would request a copy of the Constitution....as did Teddy Roosevelt when HE was sworn in. Any "holy book" would not affect a word I said.
The belief has been explained enough for people who want to believe it. It goes against the laws of physics and has to be believed because science cannot demonstrate anything that violates the laws of physics. Life never has and never will emerge from non-living things. You are believing things which violate the laws of physics.
hahaha....yeah, right. It's nothing but a belief...belief in eternality of matter with some kind of Star Wars "Force" before and behind it. It's nothing but hypothesis which can never be a real theory because it cannot be observed by testing.
Evilution and Big Band are nothing but hypothesis for believing versions of history which make the believer feel like they are eternally exempt from burning in Hell forever....who cares if they imply life is meaningless random chance, that's better than burning in Hell so go with it as long as you can, right?
it might not be a bad idea, it may force people to address his counter arguments if they are separate and less avoidable, or it is obvious they are being avoided
There is a reason why they call it a theory. Because it is not yet proven and it will never be
such is the nature of all scientific arguments. as time continues more evidence is collected that was previously unknown and theories are disproven or renewed to accommodate the data.
How do you prove that we "used to be apes"?
this has no connection to the big bang, but ok. there is much evidence in the remains of very human-like skeletons this suggests our relation to monkeys. evolution can be observed even now, for example in the mutation of the flu virus.
If we were from apes, why are there some apes that did not become humans? as cartman put it, americans came from britain but there are still british people. humans and monkeys, as with all evolutionarily comparable species are not mutually exclusive.
How do you explain every single one of us being different
given the nature of mutation in that it is random, and that at conception human genes are mixed, it would be scary if we were all the same, so much so that everyone would have to believe in a creator.
One word explains it all: God
god is a baseless speculation. your ignorance to inner workings does not prove the existence of a god. also an answer is not proven true just because it answers more than one thing
You do realise there are many universes
the many worlds theory is also a scientific theory. definitely not proposed by the bible.
God knows. He knows how many hair strands you have on your head. He knows your thoughts before you even think them
more baseless claims. from who or what were you even told this?
Read the Bible and everything starts to make sense.
i think i'll reference cartman on this one too
It will open your eyes and you will finally know how much God loves you
to join in with the irrational mass delusion? no thank you
This is less an argument against any gods as it is a much needed lesson in scientific terms. Yes, there is a reason the Big Bang is a theory, that reason is that it has been meticulously questioned, tested over and over again, we have found evidence that supports that the universe is expanding from a single point and have concluded that the Big Bang is the most probable explanation for what we have found. "Theory" does not mean unproven, in fact it means just the opposite, it means that currently it is the best explanation we have for why the universe is expanding, it does not mean we know how the Big Bang happened. We are still looking for (and likely will never find) the origin of our known universe (or universes if you support the multiple universes theory) but just because we don't know does not mean (in any way at all) that god did it.
Ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth...be that way if you want to, as long as you can, wasting away in time and forever when your time is finalized in death.
If you are not saved from death, you are in death now, dying. If you get saved before you die physically, you will have eternal life. If you die without getting saved, you will have eternal death and it will be final. Your time is counting down to zero, and then your death is finalized if you are not saved.....There is no "after life". You have eternal life now, living forever with Heaven your home, or you have eternal death, dying forever with Hell as your home.
I hope you are not wasting away forever. God can and will change that if you will trust Him and believe on Jesus.
Your sins have separated you from your God. You are dead in your trespasses and sins. It's eternal, and you can be saved from it. You can have eternal life in heaven, and be saved from eternal dying in Hell. God made the way, He brought you into existence because He loves you and wants you in Heaven to enjoy forever good beyond anything we can imagine while in these bodies of corruption.
You have death in Hell after dying in this world, or your death has been taken by God Himself as the Son of God who paid your price with His own blood by dying for you, and He will give you eternal life NOW if you will believe on Him and receive Him as your Savior. You can talk directly to God about this if you will be honest with Him and admit you deserve to die and burn in Hell as a sinner.
The devil wants you to believe in an afterlife of freedom outside of Hell. The devil knows his end, and the only way he can strike back at God is to pull down to Hell people who are made in God's image. God is love and never wanted any angel or man to be separated from Him by their sin's rebellion and be left in Hell.
You must be born again, you can be born again. You can be a new creation through faith in the blood of God shed for your sins when Jesus died in your place to save you from Hell. You don't have to be wasting away forever. You can be saved forever and be a born child of God by His Spirit's work of making you to be a new creation, to be like Jesus in His resurrection. I hope this helps you to understand so you can believe God to be saved from Hell.
Sorry about the ridiculously late response, I haven't been on this in awhile. Moving on, all of your arguments are analytical, and to an extreme stretch at that. You have provided no evidence whatsoever to support any of your incredulous claims, and have instead decided preach your way through as if you are doing anything more than pulling shit out of your ass and calling it caviar. If you have a legitimate argument please present it, but so far if you think you will convince anyone of anything in this way you are flat out wrong.
Sorry about the ridiculously late response, I haven't been on this in awhile. Moving on, all of your arguments are analytical, and to an extreme stretch at that. You have provided no evidence whatsoever to support any of your incredulous claims, and have instead decided preach your way through as if you are doing anything more than pulling shit out of your ass and calling it caviar. If you have a legitimate argument please present it, but so far if you think you will convince anyone of anything in this way you are flat out wrong.
So you are admitting that God is right in giving you death for your sins?
God said let there be light and there was light not a boom it said he created the earth in 7 days. Thats impossible the big bang was caused by a combination of particles (to lazy to find out what they are) that created the bang.
The worlds were framed by the word of God. God spoke everything into existence. God created the laws of physics. To believe in the big bang, and it is only a belief, you have to believe the laws of physics do not apply to the universe or to living things.....and then you have no explanation for live or existence of anything in the universe. Evilution, Big Bang...it's goofy stuff, masquerading as science for goofy people to believe in.
He knows your thoughts before you even think them.
I would like to stick to this one statement and ask if God know my thought before I even know and we can assume that all actions whether good or bad are triggered first by thought then God is writing this and I have no control or bear any responsibility for my actions.
He knows your thoughts before you even think them.
Correct.
I would like to stick to this one statement and ask if God know my thought before I even know and we can assume that all actions whether good or bad are triggered first by thought then God is writing this and I have no control or bear any responsibility for my actions.
If Tommy and John had two pieces of candy. Tommy, being nice allowed John to pick first. There was a stick of gum, and a tootsie roll. Tommy knew John would pick the stick of gum but he let him choose anyway. John than of course picked the piece of gum. What does knowledge of what one person will choose have to do with free will? Give me something I can understand.
It's kind of hard to explain, I don't think God knows what you are going to pick (tootsie roll or gum) but rather he knows the outcome of which you decide. And if he does know which one you pick, it's still free will he doesn't force you to choose, he just already knows.
He created you for His own pleasure. It pleases Him to give you life. It pleases Him to give you all things good. You can be relieved from all suffering, and you will be if you repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who took your suffering in death and paid your price so you can be relieved from paying in Hell. Believe on Him in His resurrection, receive Him as the only Savior, and you will be with Him in His resurrection forever and your suffering will end in eternal life with no more dying, no more sickness or pain, and God Himself will wipe the tears away from your eyes forever because He is good and He made you for His own pleasure to be like Him and with Him in His Kingdom. You can be born again as a child of God....maybe you are now, even before you finished reading this post. It's possible. Let me know if it happened for you, before or after you read this.
God knows everything. He knows what is going to happen before it happens, He knows what you are going to do before you do it. If you do something that kindles His anger, He knew His anger would be kindled against that thing before you did it.
My theory is that He at times blocks out his own knowledge so that He can enjoy participating in the progression of events. God created all things for His pleasure. This kind of reasoning about the foreknowledge of God seeks to blame God for things because it is in His power to stop anything that is happening by confining the ones doing it in Hell. It's a blame game, and it's a mistake to play it.
I don't know whether if we have free will or not. But the outcome of all random events are really unpredictable. There is always an uncertainty associated with every event no matter how much data we have. This uncertainty may be refereed to as freewill.
Hogwash. The outcome of all your events, if you say they are random or willful, is death. You are hoping to be relieved in uncertainty, but you certainly are not relieved. Double-talk won't get you out of death.
Are you serious, your response must be a joke. There is no freewill if the master knows what you will pick. How far ahead does God know what I am thinking 1min, 1 year or my whole life? First off you don't know the answer so even trying to argue the premise is ridicules. And even if you could know how far into the future he knows my thought it still wouldn't matter because he knows, thus no free will. It is impossible to have a choice in a predetermined outcome.
There is no freewill if the master knows what you will pick.
Damn stupid, look at my example again and tell me how there is no freewill. John could have just as much chosen the other candy. Just because Tommy knew that he would choose this certain candy doesn't mean there is no free will. Your statement makes no sense. I don't get what freewill has to do with the knowledge of what the person is going to choose.
How far ahead does God know what I am thinking 1min, 1 year or my whole life?
Forever
First off you don't know the answer so even trying to argue the premise is ridicules.
I don't exactly know the answer but I do know that freewill has nothing to do with knowledge.
And even if you could know how far into the future he knows my thought it still wouldn't matter because he knows, thus no free will. It is impossible to have a choice in a predetermined outcome.
I still don't see your point. Give me a larger and more digestible example before you blow your top off that God made us robots.
He is simply being really bad at explaining the issue. Your example doesn't fit as an analogy because Tommy is not an omniscient, omnipotent creator who had complete influence over John's choice of candy. If Tommy had created John's life and world, knowing before John was even born that he would pick said candy, then John's "choice" is not much of a choice at all as it was preordained.
Essentially it goes back to John Calvin, a 16th century French theologian from the Protestant Reformation, that believed in the concept of Predestination: the idea that before we are ever born, God has already predestined our entire lives and after lives, due to the reasons I previously explained. Mind you Calvinism is slightly different, but the overarching concepts are the same. This idea tends to be a bit of a deal breaker for non-theists, and seems to be a serious point of contention amongst many theists (be they Christian or other Abrhamic faiths).
I feel sorry for you and envious at the same time, you actually think you make sense, please try to understand, if he knows everything then he already knows the outcome so its game over. If he knows I am going to pick the gum then he knows how many times I will change my mind beforehand and every single decision up to the point that I pick the gum. Please tell me at what point I have freewill, in order to have freewill I have to be able to make a decision were the outcome is unknown until the last moment and then every decision I make will have consequences on my future.
If he knows when I will die and how I will die then he knows every single decision leading up that final point, so how do I possibly have any say in the matter. Lets say you were to die and god told you that you were going to hell because of your decisions and actions, my response would be but you already knew that from the day I was born because you know what I was thinking even before I did, so how can you judge me on something you already knew.
You chose the words you used to frame this argument, and you are the only one responsible for your choice. To say you had no choice in the words you used is indeed madness, so I guess your screen name honestly describes you.
The joke is on you, and it's not funny, it's an evil joke. You are believing lies and trying to make them into a joke, and you are paying for it in death which will be confined in Hell forever and nobody will enjoy jokes there. You need to wake up and get out of that dumb joke. God wants to get you out of it, but He will let you stay in it if you want to. You can only blame yourself. Blaming God won't do you any good.
You wish you bore no responsibility for your actions and you wish you could blame God for everything you have done. You wish that you were God. God's not buying your excuse, you are buying Hell and you can be relieved from that purchase agreement and have eternal life through Jesus Christ today, now and forever without doubt. I don't think you are ready, are you? Are you ready to admit that you deserve to die and burn in Hell forever as a sinner, or are you still trying to blame God for what you do?
I get bored reading your stuff, that's why I usually don't read it...I know it's more of the same....lying and twisting reasoning and putting on a show of being smart and strong....it's really just repulsive, not boring. It would be boring if you were talking more maturely like some here who hold your beliefs....it's always the same old stuff, accusing God of not being good, and complicating the accusation as much as possible in order to deceive oneself into believing they have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell and God has no right to rule over or against you. You are clinging to arguments sold to you in order to secure your destruction in Hell. If I were you, I would stop it.
Ironic. You repeat the same proselytizing, and accuse anyone who disagrees with you of "lying and twisting reasoning" in an way that is utterly illogical.
You accuse anyone who disagrees with your of being immature, and you refuse to hold a legitimate conversation.
I was plenty mature when you first came here, and for quite a long time I maintained civility despite how uncivil you were. But then I realize you simply are an ass who comes on here to reenact the same pathetic power trip over and over, so I figured, why bother being civil any more?
Yes of course, anyone who disagrees with you a liar. Everyone who holds a different opinion is a liar. You are the only pure and good person and you were chosen by god to come here and insult us sinners.
Try telling God you bear no responsibility for your thoughts or actions. I'd have to be pretty stupid to believe you bear no responsibility for your actions. You have a better chance of fooling me than you do of fooling God, and you are nowhere near fooling me....you couldn't fool a five year old with this line of thinking...you are only trying to fool yourself, and maybe you really do have yourself fooled.
