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What about how you define "is" . Also, how do you define "define", and how do you know it's a good definition? Which must be defined first for the definition to be good, "define", or "good"?
Why does anything have to be defined, and does "anything" really mean "nothing", and what definition of "really" are you using? ?
Obviously God is good, He gives life and has not dealt with us according to our sins, we all have time we do not deserve under His mercy outside of Hell. God gives us time. God gives life. God gives love. God is good, always....and it's good to know the bones of the wicked will be like undying coals in the bonfire of Hell.
Do you think God is good? Now think of this: God is good. Now say this: God is Great. Now I want you to think crucially, why do you think He's critical?
Why do I think He's critical? I never though of God that way. I guess it fits, God sees your heart and judges every word, thought, and action...but He is much more than critical.
If you may relinquish kindness? And you ask me if I"m sane? Relinquish kindness in Hell if you want to, because that's where you are going and it will be natural for you to relinquish kindness there.
I think maybe you should go look in a mirror as you stereo-typically laugh in an evil way and ask yourself "Do I really deserve to exist outside of Hell?" If you can manage to come back with an honest answer, there is hope of you finding God's mercy.
If you have no kindness in your desire to tell me you think I am insane, doesn't that prove you are evil and relishing in the idea of tearing me down?
I think you're a punk is what I think, and I think you are on your way to Hell...I think you are steadfast in rebellion against God and it's probably best for me to avoid you since I see no sign you will listen to God calling you to repent and believe on the Savior to be saved from eternal dying in Hell. I think all you will do is try to pull me (and others) down with you and I want no part of your evil.
God gives death. God gives suffering and pain. God gives instant fetal death syndrome.
You act as if we do not deserve to live a pleasant life because we don't obey a God who imposes instant fetal death syndrome upon this world. Do we not have natural rights to life, liberty, and property?
You act like you get some kind of sadistic pleasure from believing God gives you death, suffering, pain, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS...get the name of the disease correct when you are blaming God for your problems).
Death is the penalty for sin, by allowing time dying, God fulfills His plan to have a race of people like Himself in Heaven. Suffering and pain are part of being in time under God's mercy and we do not deserve a moment of time outside of Hell; nobody does except for the innocents who are unable to understand the concepts of sin, guilt, forgiveness.
If you deserve to live, why can't you stop yourself from dying? If you won't admit you have sinned against God and are worthy of nothing but death, how can you expect God to forgive you?
Blaming God for pain and suffering is wrong. He will relieve your pain and suffering if you will trust Him, the one who suffered for your sins and rose from the dead offering forgiveness to all who believe on Him and receive Him by faith as their Savior.
When you say you dislike the idea of obeying God, you put yourself under condemnation as a rebel against God, and God says the soul that sins will surely die.
If we deserve to live a pleasant life, why are there so many whose lives are unpleasant?
You deserve a pleasant life more than them ,apparently?
If you have the right to liberty, why are you chained in dying, and can never be free of it? While you are dying, you are accusing God of being guilty for putting death on you. Your sin brought it on yourself. What makes you any more deserving of life than the baby who dies of sids? Why should your time not end today?
Your thinking is backwards and hopeless. If you are going to blame God for pain and suffering you will never get out of it. It was your sins that He suffered and died on the cross. He paid your price to redeem you from the curse of sin and death, to save you from Hell.
I doubt that you will be rational in response to this; I've told you many times before, if you think blaming God for allowing you to live in a world of suffering and pain will keep you out of Hell, you have another thing coming. I see no point in trying to reason with you when you are unreasonable.
Death is the penalty for sin, by allowing time dying, God fulfills His plan to have a race of people like Himself in Heaven. Suffering and pain are part of being in time under God's mercy and we do not deserve a moment of time outside of Hell; nobody does except for the innocents who are unable to understand the concepts of sin, guilt, forgiveness.
Maybe read the Bible sometimes. The people that go to heaven are sinners. Sorry satanist, you can't fool us.
How are you? Our bodies in this world are corrupt in sin, sin pollutes our blood. These bodies are not fit for heaven, they must be changed for us to be in Heaven. The body of sin must be destroyed, there will be a new body in the resurrection fit for eternal life, sinless. There will be no sinners in Heaven. I'm leaving this body of sin behind if the Lord does not call me up to Heaven before it's fully dead....if He calls me up to Heaven before death destroys this body, this body will be changed and no remains will be left....you might find a pile of clothes, I will be forever changed when this body's time is over.
Recommended reading on this in the King James Bible, 1 Corinthians 15:30:---->
If I may clarify your first paragraph you've stated that God himself is starting a kingdom ( or built) full of people the same as him. I don't like to sound like a drunken poet but I can only imagine fascists writing this paragraph in their autobiographies.
Does this 2nd paragraph justify the countless deaths caused by a mere insect, a possible agent of god perhaps... Can doctors and physicians replace medicines and instead replace their instruments with God's healing grace?
How can such an atheist/unbeliever like me dislike the idea of obeying God if I don't believe of his existence at the first place?
Perhaps those poor people in third world countries should follow god? Oh, yes they do! Observing those poor filipinos clinging on fake healers who claim to have seen/heard god.
Shall I also mirror the question to you? Yes you, the person who's able to access the internet whilst billions can't due to inequality.
Liberty for idiots - Liberty can vary in its definitions , it could either refer to general political liberty of speech, movement and beliefs;basically freedom. Or it could also refer to your sense of liberty which is spiritual. Try to par both definitions in contrast and see the huge difference and don't get confused.
You are thinking backwards, unless if you're referring to your personal, biased and spiritual way of thinking then I suppose its inarguable. How am I to blame God if I don't believe he exists? I don't know if you know it's hypothetical...
Hence, karma? being reasonable means being sane too, some of your questions are hard to get into as they're just dabbles of someone who's mentally unstable.
Try to pay attention. I did not say God Himself is starting a kingdom. You may have seen me saying God is the King of Creation, Jesus Christ is the KING Of Kings and LORD of Lords and you will live in His kingdom forever or you will be dying in Hell outside the blessings of His kingdom forever. Put your thinking cap on and try to grasp what I am saying instead of trying to put words in my mouth which fit your faulty beliefs.
You don't sound like a drunken poet, you sound like a bitter fool. To be like Jesus is what God created people for, to be free of pain, suffering, death, sorrow, to live in eternal peace, joy purity and fullness of love with no negative feelings about anything, to be completely free of evil forever. The evil is in you causing you to flatter yourself into thinking being a drunken poet is something good.
There you go again gloating over suffering and pain. What makes you think you do not deserve much worst suffering and pain than that which is fallen on others who have the same blood in their veins as you? Do you seriously expect me to believe you do not want to obey God for any reason other than you do not want restrictions on your choice of sin? Who are you trying to fool? Do you really think you don't deserve to burn in Hell, do you really think you deserve less suffering than the people you coldheartedly gloat over as you hold up their sufferings saying God does not care about them? How cruel can you be to a person who is suffering to say that God does not care about them? You are the evil bastard enjoying their sufferings, you and me deserve the same and worse sufferings, I thank God for sparing me from those sufferings and you gloat over not being in such sufferings while you use the sufferers as fodder for your foul attitude against God.
The questions I have asked you are simple. It is your mental instability which prevents you from answering honestly. Punk.
Try and pray to god that I would somehow be in jail in the future. I don't know if your personal opinions are even valid for any state to reconsider. Thanks for calling me a smarty pants, really appreciate it. (French law doesn't prosecute anyone mainly for their beliefs, it's sad to think that Americans are banning people from entering your country on the basis of belief)
Really, Dermot? To whom do you think you are proving, and how do you think that you are proving you are exonerated in death and have the right to exist outside of Hell?
I like how you have switched from your old abusive and profane style of communication to your current gloating clown style. I wonder if both of them are drunken styles and what will be next? God loves you, Dermot.
Yeah, punk, I know you get a kick out of being a punk and annoying people....just a punk and I know what happens to people who just want to be punks. You need to be saved, punk, but you'll probably wake up in Hell remembering how stupid you were, and you'll probably ask yourself "how did I get to be so stupid?". I can tell you how you got to be so stupid, punk. One day you said, "Hey, I wanna be a punk even if it's stupid" and then you became more and more stupid every day. You have arrived. If they allow you to use computers in jail, say hi from the clink.
Sure, if you consider the foreign legion a prison-like situation I suppose I am. And you're just repeating the same insults that aren't really effective. I'm proud of myself that I'm able to draw out the psychopathic monster that's camouflaged inside you.
You're just a punk. You're a lying punk. You reek of little punkiness, you wouldn't stand in my presence more than a second before you turn tail and run. I know punks, and you're a punk. I don't like punks because they just want to be punks and no matter what, they are going to do punky little things and they end up getting themselves hurt or in jail or both and it's best for me to stay away from them so I'm not the one sending them on their way.
Ah yes. God is good. He gave us time- but time runs out. he gave us life- we all die. Does actually love us? God has allowed horrific things to happen like cancer, war and inequality. therefore God can't be good.
So you want to believe that in reality, nothing good comes from God, that is the way you want to look at reality, correct? You want reality to be void of anything good from God, correct?
No, I want to believe that nothing comes from God because logically, he cannot be real because of the problem of evil. Goodness is hard to define and identify as it is such a personal and subjective topic so it depends what kind of goodness you are talking about.
Goodness is hard for you to define because you are evil. Goodness is not hard for me to define....I knew what it meant when I was six years old and I'm sure you also knew what it meant when you were six. Now you are confused about the meaning of simple words because your mind is twisted and evil is taking over.
goodness is personal and subjective? No matter you are having trouble figuring out what goodness is. You think that if you feel it's good to kill millions of people, then you have defined goodness for yourself as killing millions of people. Only God who is good has the right to kill millions of people because they are all bad. Only babies and mentally unequipped people can be considered innocent, you know you have done wrong and your evil mind is trying to twist the meaning of goodness to allow for your wrongdoing.
How in the world do atheists ever fool themselves into thinking they are smart? Atheism is willfully shutting down half your brain and leaving it on the other side of a mental block wall behind which you feel you make yourself safe from God so you hope in death to be exonerated.
So you want a reality void of anything from God, that reality is in the fire of Hell were you will believe nothing comes from God but you will still beg God for relief and He won't hear you the same as you are refusing to hear Him now.
God is not evil but wicked maybe , is more appropriate. He only ignores the evil doings of satan and his people(at times) for several reasons. Disobedience(usually), repercussions of wrong deeds by you or ancestors(karma),Ex. Abominations(gay, incest, abortion~barreness,etc), murder(Cain), deceit(Ananias and wife).
Whenever these things are done by you or ancestors, and repentance of sins before God was not offered, you look filthy to God and He takes off his protection from you. And all curses said unto you will become effective by demonic mechanisms.(God will turn a blind eye)
And you know from the bible also, that God cursed many ancestors of several countries...........its taking effect because the don't have God's protection(angels) in the first place, plus they are cursed. As long as that blood exists, the curse will exist within it. Demons will hit you from all angles like death, famine, natural disasters etc. You can reference from the story of JOB when God took His protection off for a while.
If a member of such generation does not seek christ sincerely and deligently to be freed of all curses(from man,God or Sin),
Just like we suffer adams curses, so will they suffer the curses of their ancestors.
They posses the blood of their ancestors, and it is only by the blood which those curses can trace them.
But if they surrender to christ, they will be born again with the Holy blood of Christ which carries zero curses instead, the gift of eternal life.
You have the Word of God, you can get to know Him in His Word, in English it's the King James Bible. God is always good, God is not evil. There is no evil in God.
I think God did what had to be done, in order to get humans to get along with each other. I've seen how idiotic people can be, they need a firm hand to get rid of those animalistic and immature tendencies.
By that logic, we can estimate how good or evil a person has been just on their life span? So by that logic we can confirm that the most evil people are foetuses that are miscarried or die before they are born because God has sent them to Hell even before they were brought into the world? Even though babies are considered innocent because of there lack of awareness and knowledge.
There none good. All have gone bad. You, me, your mother, all gone bad. We all deserve to die and burn in Hell, we are all rotten to the core, sinners with death in our genes, stuck in condemnation of death, as good as dead, and only God can get us out of it. He got me out, He can get you out but not against your will. You want to remain in death, you love your sin more than life, so there you have it and it's taking you to Hell...which I doubt you will believe until you find yourself unable to get out of the fire; and then you will say "OH GOD, WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME?!?!!?"
And then you will remember that you were told today, and numerous other times, and you would not listen.
You're on your way to Hell because you have lost your innocence. You have a choice. Babies do not have a choice, they are not able to comprehend guilt and need of mercy. They automatically expect God's protection. How do you think they get the nerve to throw big cry baby fits demanding attention for every little thing? They know God will execute vengeance against any who mistreat them, and they know they will be with God if their caretakers execute them. Babies have more backbone than you.
I clearly remember when I was a baby screaming out against evil I saw happening....and I clearly remember God's protection, I knew where I came from and I knew where I would go if anybody tried to silence me...so I screamed.
I didn't have the words for it then, but I sure do now and I sure do know what was happening and why I acted the way I did protesting. Atheism is willful disengagement of half of your brain.
By that logic, every moment of time is this world is a moment of time you do not deserve, it is a gift from God. Why do you feel you have to complicate simple common sense? Do you think you prove you are smart by rejecting simple common sense?
You do not deserve one moment of time. If you deserve it, who are you going to sue when it is gone?
Let my start by saying I am a Asatru Pagan. I converted to Asatru from being a Christian Baptist after reading as much holy text from any religion I could get my hands on.
I assume the God we are referring to for this debate is the Christian God.
I believe that all religions at their core teach people to do and be good, while also trying to define what good is. A simple fact of the matter is that their is no definitive proof for any religion so we can't know which is truely correct, we only have our faith to help us decide. It is when we go on to believe that not only is our chosen religion correct but any and all other religions are wrong and therefore the enemy that a problem occurs in the form of religious extremism. I don't think any religion regardless of how strange I find the teachings to be is inherently bad or evil I believe it's followers sometimes change said religion to become their justification for violence.
How interesting that the Abrahamic faiths always condemn non believers to eternal torture. My gods don't demand human worship (it is appreciated). My gods do not punish those who do not follow them.
I don't know who or what you think your gods are, but why are they not ending your pain and suffering? Why are they not ending evil? What good are your gods?
They don't end suffering because suffering serves a purpose. That purpose being to prepare us for ragnarok. My gods never claim like the Christian god to love us. A core idea in Asatru Paganism is the concept of wyrd which is kind of a halfway between the freewill vs "gods plan" debate in Christianity. Wyrd essentially teaches the we are always going to face struggles and it is how we face those struggles that define our character.
My gods choose whether or not to be involved in our suffering. They do not create it, they allow us to live our lives knowing we will live difficult lives. The pain we encounter is often a result of nature or other humans not directly a result of the gods. But if for some reason a particular God wanted to hurt someone they very well could. But as a said the original purpose of suffering is to better oneself and prepare ourselves for ragnarok (the end of days). I do not believe that is good or evil I believe it is the flow of wyrd.
Your gods are not loving, so why would you want them to be involved in your suffering? What good are your gods? Are you just waiting to see who they hurt, and in what way they hurt them? You like to gawk at traffic accidents, don't you?
If suffering betters you and prepares you for the end of days, why not inflict more suffering on yourself, why not inflict suffering on others to better prepare them for the end of days? Isn't that what your loveless gods are doing?
It sounds to me like your gods are useless and completely irrelevant. They might as well be stone cold rocks.
If there is no good or evil, then there is nothing wrong with torturing you throughout eternity as you believe your suffering better prepares you for the end of days....in fact it can be considered good to torture you, good for you, and good for the person who does you the favor of preparing you for the end of days. Therefore, you have no legitimate complaint against being left in the fire of Hell forever...the suffering is good for you, and you can hope that your days will end and you will be supremely prepared for that end by your suffering.
You are still thinking of my gods in the since of your own. Each God has their own personality they find enjoyment in different things than another god. They can choose to interact with our world or not. Personally I hope they don't interfere with my life things are going pretty well right now. I don't seek suffering but I understand it is a necessary symptom of life. I did not say there is no good or evil a described my belief system and why I believe it is not good or evil. Good and Evil both exist and can be created by the actions of individuals.
You flat out said that your gods never claim to love you. Now you are changing your story. You're trying to fool yourself into believing you have the right to exist outside of Hell, and your gods are encouraging you to believe that lie because they hate you and want you to burn in Hell.
sounds to me like your belief system is make it up as you go along and try to convince yourself that something more powerful loves you so dying is okay.
I'm trying to understand your "gods", they sound like some kind of a race of monsters. They never claim to love you, they kill everybody, two of them are boss over the rest (the godfather brother monsters I guess) and those two kill all the others and then create a new world with new monsters and do it all over again. Right?
So the monsters you call gods are really sadistic things and sometimes you feel love for one or two of them if they do something you want them to do?
Really? It sounds like in your mind, your existence is meaningless, pain and suffering is necessary, and you are looking forward to death hoping for pain and suffering to end, hoping to be out of existence so that in reality you have no value at all. Are you sure your gods are not sodomites, it sounds like they are raping your mind.
so your gods are irrelevant and useless, they offer no hope, and you hope suffering prepares you well for the end of days. Is not death the summation of your gods? Do you not love death and try to paint it eloquently as "gods"?
If suffering is a necessary symptom of life, explain the need for it. Why do you feel like you need suffering, and if you need it, why should it end?
If suffering is a necessary symptom of life, then it is good, correct? First you said suffering is good for preparing you for the end of days, now you are changing to say it is neither good nor evil but only necessary? If it is necessary, why not inflict it on yourself and/or others?
If suffering is neither good nor evil, yet is "a necessary symptom of life", how can you say it would be wrong for you to be left frying like an eternal sausage in Hell, where your gods can without loving you school you in suffering to prepare you for your hope of the end of days when your suffering will be relieved?
I'm asking you to explain your gods. You prefer your gods over God, so explain why. You seem to be saying you don't like God because He will leave His enemies in the fire of Hell forever, then you say suffering is preparation for the end of days so how can you say it's wrong for God to leave you suffering in Hell?
I'm thinking of your gods as you explain them. So far, they make no sense and seem to be completely useless and irrelevant; completely illogical. How can I understand your gods if you can't explain them logically?
If your gods do not love us, why would anybody want to obey, follow, or serve them? Are you loveless so your gods cater to your selfish lusts? Is that good?
What is the end of your gods? Death? Do you need your gods for that?
I love the Gods and because of my love I believe they in turn love me and I have seen them grant me their favor. They did not love me before I loved them. But even if I did not love them they would not punish me for it was my choice.
The Gods will die in ragnarok as is told by the Norns two gods will survive and then create a new world from the ashes just as our world was created from the death of another. Many people see the creation and destruction of the world as a line with a beginning and a end but I believe it is a cycle where one world is created from the death of another world.
I do not believe this prosses is inherently good or bad rather just the way of the worlds.
You just got done saying your gods do not love anybody. Now you decided that they love you? It sounds to me like your gods are imaginary and changeable according to whatever you think or feel in the moment.
If your gods will die in the end of days the same as you, what good are they? They are no better than you and that is no good at all, nothing by dying, rotting in corruption of decay. Why in the world would anybody want gods like that? I'd rather be left alone.
So your gods promise nothing but a repeated cycle of suffering and death? So your gods get some kind of kick out of creating worlds of pain and suffering, watching everybody suffer and die, and then doing it all over again? Your gods are obviously selfish and evil and are they unlike you?
No, again stop thinking of my gods in the form of the Christian god they did not create the cycle of ragnarok nor are the gods after ragnarok the same that came before.
Also remember I worship multiple gods each with their own personalities, when I said I believe the gods love me I was referring to a few from which I have received their blessing.
To answer as to what is the point if they will die in the end anyways, they are beings that are creator than myself that I posses power and have the ability to use that power to help me why would I not give them my thanks in the form of worship?
(I would like to ask that you respond in a single post rather than multiple like you've been doing it just makes it easier to reply to)
So your gods are irrelevant and useless, they leave you in a world of pain and suffering and promise you death...but as long as you feel they give you some pleasure, it's okay?
Your gods sound like a sadistic bunch. Thanks for explaining, but I don't know why anybody would want gods that are no good.
Hey, you know a pervert will give candy to a kid and make the kid feel loved before molesting them, right? Is that what your gods do to you, they give you candy and make you feel good so you feel like they love you? Even though they do nothing to end your pain and suffering and get you out of dying, they make you feel loved by giving you candy?
They don't end suffering because suffering serves a purpose. That purpose being to prepare us for ragnarok. My gods never claim like the Christian god to love us.
You said your "gods" never claim to love you....so why would you believe they do? Who is fooling who, who are you trying to fool, yourself?
So you don't mind the fact that you are condemned to die, as long as you can believe you are not condemned to spend eternity in the fire of Hell you don't care if you die?
Why did you choose these gods? Do they make sodomites and other kinds of perverts feel better when they sin?
I agree with you. Religion is just a tool, it's the wielder that decides how to use it that defines if they are good or bad. Just blaming religion takes the weight off the person who does the bad. Personally I don't care if one worships God, Gaia, Zeus or a pasta God, just be a good person and try to do good. That's ultimately what matters.
Oh interesting, I have a friend, who is like a brother to my husband, who follows Odin. I am not sure if he actually recognizes a religion but he actively follows Norse mythos. I'll have to ask him. He dates a Pagan who worships multiple deities of nature. It's really fascinating. Thank you for telling me.
Wait that´s still a thing? How exactly does it work; your religion I mean. Is their a book with your belief (like a Bible, or a history of the gods)? Who is Hlïn? How did you join this belief system?
P.S.: please do not answer if you do not want to I am simply curious.
God is good. The question is not to define good but to define evil. There is evil doing, an action that one enacts upon another. Then there are evil things that happen that are natural evils. For example, John died of hypothermia due to the extreme weather conditions. This is terrible, what happened to John, but God permits evil to happen to bring about Good. His life and death was a primary example of an evil doing, him being put to death. But much good was done by sacrificing himself for all mankind.
If 'God' is indeed omnipotent as the bible suggests then the very fact that there is any kind of poverty, famine and other natural disasters that are not a result of human intervention means that either God doesn't care about us or he takes pleasure in our pain and suffering- either way God's an evil bastard.
Have you thought maybe you are projecting the evil in your own heart onto God, looking at Him as you are yourself, using Him as a scapegoat for your own evil, trying to make yourself feel better by saying you are better than God because you care more than Him?
Then I have to ask do you really care about the pain and suffering of others? You seem to be gloating over the fact that people are in suffering and pain as if they give you ammunition to shoot at God while you scream out that you are better than He is.
Have you ever thought that you are no better than the people in the worst suffering which you talk about? Have you ever thanked God that you are not in such trials? Do you only blame God for evil and not thank Him for the good things you enjoy while you talk so carelessly about the pain and suffering of others?
Do you really think God owes you freedom from pain and suffering, and you thank Him not at all for anything good you enjoy?
Really, I think God is good and you are evil, a child without chastisement of your Heavenly Father, you are the bastard child.
God is omnibenevolent. God is Omniscient. God is Omnipotent. Yet moral and natural evil exist? if God knows of all the evils the world and He has the power to stop it and He has the love in His heart to stop it, why is there still evil in this "perfect creation" that He created?
God is good. Omnibenevolent is not a characteristic of God, it is a confusing term which is not well defined. Why do you leave out God's omnipotence, and insert the confusing term "omnibenevolent" in it's place?
You sure seem to revel over the fact that we live in a world with pain and suffering. Why do you seem to gloat over pain and suffering?
Benevolent is not the same as good. Good is the opposite of bad. I have a good truck, but it certainly is not benevolent. God is good to all, but He is not benevolent to evil. God is always good, God is not always benevolent. God is merciful toward you or you would know that there is no grinning in the fire of Hell like your stupid icon pic. As long as you are in this world, God is being good to you by allowing you time outside of Hell.
Is this really hard for you to figure out? You really have to ask me?
If God can be better, then God is not God, but is a false God which you are calling God. You simply want God to excuse your sin......but He won't, so you are trying to excuse yourself in order to feel like you are not being punished in death and there is no eternal pain and suffering in Hell. You're fooling yourself because you want to hide from God and not admit your evils.
You know, right, that I prefer Hinduism to Christianity because they feature a more perfect God, and it's less contradictory to reason?
It's not like I'm limited to your notions or something, like Pascal was.
Yet I don't follow it. It'll be embarrassing for me to now follow you based on all the reasons you've (and other Christians on this site have) ever given.
PS: If you decide to again go on about that "HE CAN'T BE MORE PERFECT" stuff again, you might not want to read the insults I reply to that. And I'll be using it, as well as other things, to make the final case against your religion. Everything you say is being recorded, and everything you hope to save yourself will be in my control. With the final case, there will be no reasonable public resistance against whatever I might want to do, so you might want to be more rational than that.
not interested at this time. If you're not screaming in agony, burning in Hell with no stupid devil grin, within the next year or two, maybe I'll read something from you.
The benevolence you want is not what you get. You want no punishment in death, you want freedom to enjoy yourself in rebellion against God. You want a reality where God is not good, and the only place you will find nothing to indicate God's goodness is in the fire of Hell where those who wanted in this world a reality in which God is not good will have no reason to believe God is good.....and God gave them the reality they wanted, where they can find no reason to say God is good as their pain and suffering never ends.
You want to twist benevolence around into God giving you His freedom, God giving you right over Him...you want to be God, and you will be cast down to Hell if you keep insisting God is not good.
Well, if you look at "The God of Classical Theism" omnibenevolence is one of God's attributes. This dates back to Epicurus who pondered why an omnibenevolent God who had the power to stop evil could not. Is it because He does not want to intervene in which case He is malevolent or He cannot which makes Him impotent or, furthermore, is it because He doesn't actually exist? this is "The Problem of Evil."
Also, if you take a look at a quote from the Book of Proverbs, it says, "I love those who love me" (Proverbs 8:17) this suggests some kind of love from God and a need from him to want to intervene with earthly happenings.
I don't know who you are calling "The God of Classical Theism" but there can only be one God and things less than God, even if people call them God or gods cannot be God the Creator of all things.
The Bible never says God is "omnibenevolent". The Bible says God creates evil against people like you who are steadfast in rebellion against God. Evil is going to befall you because you are against God. God is good, even when He brings evil on you. If you had any brains, you would realize you need God's mercy but you keep pushing Him to bring evil on you.
Evil is a problem for you because you are in rebellion against God. Evil is not a problem for me. I understand evil is in the hearts of people because they are sinners, and sinners do evil. God gives sinners time because He loves them and does not want them in Hell. You would be in Hell now but God is being patient with you....He won't be patient with you forever.
You're like a broken Dick Dawkins the Pedophile (and by his own words condoning "mild pedophilia", it is safe to assume he is a pedophile....and it is a fact that he supports child molesters) with your "boo hoo, God won't free me from pain and suffering, therefore He is mean".
You act like you are gloating over the fact that people suffer, you use it as ammunition against God and the only one being hit by your shots is yourself....you're only killing yourself hoping to be exonerated in death...and you might want to look up the meaning of "exonerated" because that is what you want in death. In reality, you want reality to be void of anything good from God, so you deny anything good is from God, you are unthankful....and God is giving you the reality you want, reluctantly, desiring you quit demanding it but because He loves you He will allow you to have your reality void of anything good from Him and that reality is only in the fire of Hell. You are literally asking for it and for this reason the Bible says you are a fool.
Number one, you just called me an evil paedophile, yet you call me a sinner? Do yo know me? Do you know my relationship with God? How would you know if I was in rebellion against God? (I'm not- I can't be as He can't be real)
Secondly, maybe you should know more about "The Classical God of Theism" as so many Atheists don't believe in God because of this theory. From one quick Google search, you could have known that:
"Classical theism is, historically, the mainstream view in philosophy and is associated with the tradition of writers like Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus, Augustine, St. Anselm, Maimonides, Averroes and Thomas Aquinas."
But hey, it sounds to me like you have grown up learning everything but common sense. It sounds to me like you haven't educated yourself/ been educated on other beliefs and beliefs that dispute your own. It sounds to me that you can't appreciate other people's beliefs because you're afraid of sinning and going to Hell. It sounds to me that you have been brainwashed by religion and for that- I feel sorry for you because you will never be as free to explore and understand other beliefs.
Nevermind...I read your profile......14!!!!!! Hahahahahah...usually kids don't think they know everything until they are old enough to get a driver's license. I guess now that they are expert googlers at the age of ten, they discover their omniscience earlier in this wonderful age of public school atheism.
Child, there is nothing new about anything you are saying, and when I was your age I can assure you I had three times the amount of education you have as I was always easily in the top 3 of my class for grades, and spent the vast majority of my time outside of school reading books on all subjects including philosophy.
And I was smart enough to see that the "great philosophers" you idolize, by their own words do not know what they are talking about, they somehow think it's a great thing to say "I think reality is this or that but there is no way of knowing and that's what makes me great, I admit I don't know what I am talking about".
All those motor mouths do is entertain people who are satisfied to be confused about reality, satisfied to play with unsatisfying answers.
Do yourself a favor, child, save yourself for marriage, stay pure, uphold your value, don't give yourself away cheap....(assuming you are not already defiled by dirty perverts) .
Amazing how the public schools have made you say exactly what they want you to say while they pretend to give you an education. You are a wonderful example of why I am totally against taxes being used to support public schools, and I am all in favor of complete privatization of the school system...let them all be under one standard of achievement in the three r's and basic chemistry and biology plus some extra trade or specialize training in the three years before diploma is earned and let them all chose their own religious or philosophical teachings with Islam completely outlawed due to the repeated instructions of the Crayon that Christians and Jews should be enslaved and/or killed.
Well, that was rather condescending. You may have read up on philosophy but I would suggest reading up on it a bit more since you don't know what The God of Classical Theism is.
You don't know me. You don't know how smart I am or anything else about me. I am not even going to bother to tell you how stupid you are being and I think your love of God is clouding your opinion. I think your age and experience has not been put to good use in expanding your knowledge of the world.
And, by the way, even though it is not always a reliable source, googling something that you don't understand can often give a small insight as to what you don't understand. But I suppose you could always go and look up what The God of Classical Theism is (or anything else that you don't understand) in all of the books that you have claim to have read.
You have a questionable debating strategy as you have to stoop so low, saying that my body is defiled and I am an evil paedophile who should be in Hell. And just by looking at what you have said to me and other people on this debate, I would suggest that your knowledge of reality is inherently suspicious.
As a 14 year old "child" I have the good sense not to even engage you in what you consider to be factual about Islam as I feel your very narrow view on equality and compassion for fellow human beings is severely lacking.
I will not be told that I am stupid just because I am young. I will not be told that the school system is brainwashing me. A lot of what you have read has come from me and are my own opinions. As a representative of a country that has elected Donald Trump, your opinion is of no consequence to me what so ever.
Whether she is a child or not is immaterial it's obvious that she is learning to reason and think for herself instead of accepting horseshit , you cannot be taught to be stupid unless you're born that way which in in your case is rather obvious .
It's obvious she has been brainwashed and taught how to think, how to act, and what to say. They've groomed her like a Hitler Youth, they have trained her to keep half of her brain turned off while the other is used for pre-recorded messages which she seems incapable of questioning...you can be stupid by choice. People are taught to feel powerful when they are acting and talking stupid.
It's obvious she has been brainwashed and taught how to think, how to act, and what to say. They've groomed her like a Hitler Youth, they have trained her to keep half of her brain turned off while the other is used for pre-recorded messages which she seems incapable of questioning...you can be stupid by choice. People are taught to feel powerful when they are acting and talking stupid.
Nice of you to stick up for the brat, but she's obviously fully equipped the same as you, talking and acting just like you. Isn't that amazing how a 14 year old is on equal footing with you in everything they say and do? You might want to ask this kid to teach you a few things, she's getting the latest militant atheist methods and instructions...you're kind of old school atheism though really it's the same as it ever was......mindless.
You just can't keep yourself from being vulgar, can you? How long have you practiced being dirty, mean, and nasty. Can you give everybody an example now of your awesome power of profanity?
Comeon now, show the child atheists here how it's done.....you are their leader, showing them the way to death.
Well, I couldn't get you to see that God loves you and you can be saved from Hell, but at least I taught you to act like your mother put a little effort into teaching you manners. That is an accomplishment, your mouth not spitting out bloody teeth dirty profanity in your hatred against God makes the world just a tiny bit more restrained in it's evil.
You can't justify your life, let alone your claims. The only claim you have is death, your only plea before God is guilty, your only hope is His mercy and you are spitting in His face while you trample the blood of His Son under your feet while you have one foot in the grave and the other on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell....and you probably won't believe it until you find yourself unable to get out of the fire in eternal dying. I don't hate you or anybody else here...I feel sorry for you.
I see you have a new icon, I guess you got tired of looking like a stupid devil pretending Hell is a place you can grin. You're an evil bastard, I have no obligation toward you, I won't be reading your posts.
You have a human heart like mine. I know enough of the truth to know enough about you. You need to be saved from your sins or you will fry like an eternal sausage in Hell. You have bought into a religion pushed in public schools with the agenda of tearing down moral fiber which strengthens the resolve of people to be free. You are buying into the lies of atheism, believing death exonerates you and nothing you do really matters; believing you are ultimately worthless and life is meaningless and purposeless, making you into a piece of meat to be played with by perverted teachers and professors.
Islam is evil, it's from Hell ,Mohammed was nothing but a thief exiled from Mecca due to his dirty deeds......so he roamed the desert robbing and killing until he picked up a band of thugs by paying them with stolen goods, attacked and conquered Mecca and installed Islam as the litmus test of submission to his dictatorship. Allah is the moon god of ancient tribal Arabia, it was the most popular idol in Mohammed's day, and he adopted it as his own and by force promoted himself as it's prophet. Mohammed was a child molester, liar (changed his writings many times to ease political pressure) a thief, a serial killer and mass murderer and that's all Islam is today. It's the greatest evil on the planet and will eventually bring WWIII as they believe there must be a world wide bloodbath to usher in their Mahkdi or however you spell the name of their evil Messiah.
Your teachers are doing you no favors by misinforming you and teaching you to be a good parrot.
You're being brainwashed in public schools. You're not using your brain, you've been trained to use insults like "narrow minded", implying I'm uneducated (LOL again, a 14 year old parrot who has been trained what to say and what to think) and your leaders (teachers) pretty much have you on a leash using you as an act in their circus.
What you are saying here is what you have been told to say, the way you are acting here is the way you were told to act, you're not using your brain, you are doing and saying exactly what you have been told to do and say. If you had resisted the brainwashing of your teachers, you would have been shamed and ridiculed and you know it; so you took the easy way out and now you feel powerful by acting the way your oppressors acted as they beat you down into submission. You're pretty much nothing but a Hitler Youth.
You have been brainwashed so that you automatically reject truth, so you automatically refuse to listen to anybody who tells you that you are brainwashed.
14 years old and your mind is wasted already...what a shame.
If I have been taught to automatically reject truth and refuse to listened to anybody who tells me that I am brainwashed, why on Earth would I willingly argue with you? I was not forced to sign up for an account on this website and I was not forced to argue with you- I do it because I enjoy it but unfortunately, I underestimated the potential stupidity people can have and maintain even when they claim to be wise and knowledgeable.
I don't know how old you are but I will assume you are old enough to be sick, bitter and twisted at what started off as a light hearted debate.... what a shame
There is nothing lighthearted in saying God is not good, such speech is born out of bitterness and it has been passed down to you by bitter people who have taught you that it is intelligent to be insulting. You have done nothing but insult since your first post and you fail to see your own attitude....because you have been brainwashed to ignore the truth.
Look at the older atheists here, they are what you will become if God gives you time....twisted, bitter, dirty, mean and nasty just like Richard Dawkins. When you pursue a course of evil against God, which course you have bought into under coercion of your peers and teachers, you will grow more and more twisted, bitter, mean and nasty. You might be able to mask it while being a productive member of society, but it will fester and every time it expresses itself it will be worse than before.
And Richard Dawkins by his own words cannot condemn molestation such as he and his classmates were subjected to when he was around your age, some perverted homo teacher molesting the boys. Because Dawkins will not say it is wrong to molest children, it is safe to assume he would like to be if he is not already a child molester......and he is the guru of most of the atheists here...all atheists repeat basically around 15 or 20 talking points which are supposed to be conclusive and unquestionable rhetoric....like you did here in your description of God which left out "Morally Perfect" or "Good". Then you argue against your straw man which cannot be God because it is not morally perfect, it is bad and not good, and you declare to know that the thing you say is not God is actually not God...of course your straw man is not God and it's a shame that at 14 your brain is shut down thinking you know everything.
You cannot see God as being good because you are being evil, you are being against God, so you can only see God as being against you. You are wrong, He is right, and you are getting what you deserve while God is showing you mercy....but you will never see it as long as you are against Him and if you will not seek His mercy all you will have is His wrath and you deserve it for trying to kill Him.
In your debate it's suggested that an omnibenevolent God who has the power to stop evil but could not, is malevolent. Do you believe this to be the only reason? Malevolent is the wish to do evil to others so let me put this question forth because I'd be curious as to your answer. If you were a parent and you've told your child time and time again not to do something but they still do, would you be malevolent if you let them experience the repercussion of pain due to their actions? What if your child was an adult, capable of making their own decisions, you will always love them and want the best for them but you do have to let them make their own way in life, that doesn't mean you are malevolent.
Now, I'm not saying this is the case, I don't think any of us can claim that we knows Gods intentions 100% of the time. I also think we need to stop blaming God for our own actions. Not saying that you are saying that, just putting that out there. Welcome to CD by the way.
The fact that God does not end all pain and suffering in this world is proof that He cannot end pain and suffering in this world? It is proof that He does not care, and He will not end pain and suffering in this world? Does it make you feel better about your own personal pain and suffering when you say God does not care? How does your attitude help anything?
You are defying God, if He were to stop all evil in the world now you would be burning in Hell with no way out. God loves you.
You left out "Morally Perfect" from your description of God, you are inventing a thing that is not God and arguing that it is flawed so it cannot be God and it's only your own consciously created straw man.. I'm sure since you are 14 and know everything, you can figure that out.
It's obvious that we are not in a perfect creation, are you really that dumb to think anybody else is dumb enough to call this messed up world perfect?
With that kind of attitude, I guess I can see why God might not intervene on your behalf....and yet I know He has intervened for you. You just want to be in rebellion so you won't see His intervention, apparently.
The truth is only insulting to people who are evil. If you feel insulted by the truth it's because you are guilty and trying to deny responsibility, child.
Interesting. We are all sinners, therefore naturally evil. Does that warrant me to insult you? Your goal, as a Christian, is to guide the lost and help the weak. Not insult them.
Wasn't talking to you, sir. The kid needs an attitude adjustment, I get tired of his attitude. Jesus called people names directly and bluntly according to their attitudes, words, and actions. There is nothing wrong with being truthful.
I do not consider myself a Christian, I am a child of God by adoption, second birth, an event which happened around 35 years ago when I realized my sins, my sin nature, had me separated in death and I had no right to expect anything good and feared what I knew I deserved to be left dying in my sin forever. Thoughts of Hell were not in my mind at that moment, it was scary enough thinking I would be separated from the living God forever if I did not have His mercy and forgiveness. I had already believed Jesus is God, and I believed He rose from the dead bodily. What I had not understood was that He took my place in death, He died for my sins.....and suddenly when I realized my sin is what separates me from God, I knew I had nothing in myself worthy of deserving God's mercy and I knew only Christ who died for me could save me and I believed on Him, received Him as my Savior while I bowed my head in fear of God who hates sin but loves me. I know He came in to my heart, gave me a new heart which pulls me toward Him, desires to be with Him, like Him, to serve Him forever and praise Him for creating me and giving Himself in death to save me from Hell. Things changed from knowing about Him and believing He rose from the dead to believing ON Him, trusting Him with my entire being to save me from my sins.
You will always be able to find fault with people who are like you , stuck in a body of death in chains of sin. I have the same sin nature in my body of death as you. I do not hold any grudges against you or against anybody here, no matter how strongly I tell them what they are doing wrong, what is wrong with their attitude, or how they feel about me...I forgive them and pray they find God's forgiveness as I am forgiven. In the West today, Christians are pretty much at ease free of torture and persecution while in the rest of the world Christians are being tortured and killed in extremely horrible ways...because they will not renounce their confidence in the Savior, knowing they are forgiven and Heaven is their home.
I don't want to fight with you. I really appreciate how you took so much time to have a long and reasonable discussion with me. I want you to know God loves you and you can be sure of having eternal life if you will repent of your sin and believe on the Savior and receive Him in reality. I want to see you in Heaven if not on Earth. This is my desire for everybody here including the kid who has repeatedly been a little smart ass punk with me and needs to be corrected. The kid needs to be corrected, not defended. If he won't take correction by instruction, he will be corrected the hard way in life in the college of hard knocks, and there is no good reason I should silently take his abusive manners and comments directed at me. I speak the truth in love if he sees or feels the love or not. Jesus always spoke the truth, always loved, always forgave, and they didn't like being told the truth about their sins so they crucified Him. Jesus said that if I follow Him, if I'm His disciple, if I'm trying to be like Him they will hate me the same as they hated Him. Only the established Christian/Judaeo government systems of western civilization today are preventing anti-Christians from killing me now and by the grace of God I will never be afraid of them if things change and things sure have been changing rapidly over the past 20 years moving toward legalizing persecution of Bible upholding Christians who will not back down from calling sin wrong.
If there is a god and a seriously doubt it, then he is near as I can tell a right sodding wanker for allowing all the troubles and suffering.
If God can prevent it but don't then he is not good.
If he cannot prevent it he is not God, since God is suppoxed to be all powerful.
So either way, he is either not good, or cannot be God.......
So....No good God exists.
Try and beat that, mate.
I just proved with a Socratic syllogism that the God of your understanding...And wishful thinking...Not only does not but cannot exist.
Yes....I have more education than I have let on here in the past.
Try and refute my syllogism.
This is bleeding aces, mate. All you godists have been blathering out of your pic holes for bleeding donkeys years about 'ow we sodding atheists can't disprove your God.
And I just did it! Fancy that. And I'm half pissed at that! Think how I could take down your God like Humpty Dumpty if I was bleeding sober!
You godists are funny! And way too easy to get riled.
I think you spent too much time down under, dem blokes got you dirty and you're having problems getting cleaned up. Come back after you get your mouth washed out with soap.
This is some of the stupidest stuff parroted by atheists. It proves you have turned off your brain and are becoming some kind of zombie recording device which makes noise when it's button is pushed.
Interesting. Well, first problem is that most of these things are, at least, according to the Bible, due to Adam and Eve's sin. Yet that does not address the issue of why God does not stop these problems. I would guess that it would be for the better in the long run. Why I don't know, exactly, but...
Plus, poverty and famine are sometimes due to a corrupt government, so it is caused by humans. However, most likely due to free will, maybe... he does not want to interfere.
Saying "God is not evil because I said God isn't evil" holds no actual basis. If someone chose to allow infant fetal death syndrome to exist and had the power to take it away, I would consider them evil.
You are trying to equate a thing which is evil to God, calling the thing you have dreamed up "God" when is cannot be God because God is evil. You are arguing that your own consciously created straw man cannot be God and you are correct........like a dog chasing it's own tail.
So you want God to kill you now to show He can stop a person from doing evil things in the world? The baby is innocent and will be in Heaven, you are evil and will be in Hell if God ends your time now.
A day will come when God forever purges creation of evil, and as you stand now, you are part of the evil which will be purged and left in Hell. Is that what you want God to do now, to end all evil? When you talk that way, you are asking to be left in Hell forever.
Do you know what you will say when you are burning in Hell? "God is evil or He would get me out of here". God made the way for you to be saved from Hell, He took on human form and died in your place, paid your price, rose from the dead offering forgiveness but you are saying He is not good enough for you. What else can He do but die for you? Are you going to try to kill Him forever? He already died for you, isn't that enough? Will you never stop trying to kill Him?
"So you want God to kill you now to show He can stop a person from doing evil things in the world? The baby is innocent and will be in Heaven, you are evil and will be in Hell if God ends your time now."
If God could kill me and show me proof that he exists, I would like to have a long talk with him and present him many questions.
Furthermore, if the baby is innocent and will be in heaven, then why do we consider killing babies morally wrong? Aren't we doing them a favor by sending them to heaven?
"A day will come when God forever purges creation of evil, and as you stand now, you are part of the evil which will be purged and left in Hell. Is that what you want God to do now, to end all evil? When you talk that way, you are asking to be left in Hell forever."
Why do you insist that I am evil? I am on a search to see if a Christian God really exists, and I have found no such adequate proof. I have also found no proof of a Muslim, Jewish, or multiple other religions' gods existing, as I have also not seen enough proof.
"Do you know what you will say when you are burning in Hell? "God is evil or He would get me out of here". God made the way for you to be saved from Hell, He took on human form and died in your place, paid your price, rose from the dead offering forgiveness but you are saying He is not good enough for you. What else can He do but die for you? Are you going to try to kill Him forever? He already died for you, isn't that enough? Will you never stop trying to kill Him?"
I understand that you think that I am evil and trying to deny God, but you must look at it from my perspectives. I have multiple religions coming at me, telling me that every other religion is a false religion, and I will be punished unless I adhere to their religion. I'm only looking for answers- telling me I am evil for simply disagreeing with you does not convince me that your religion is the one true religion. From my perspective, you just blend in with all the other religions.
What is it about your religion specifically that should make me want to join it?
God understands you are evil and He wants you to look at it from His perspective. If all you are going to do is argue with Him, you are going to lose big time forever. He will not plead with you forever, He will not ask you to listen to His viewpoint forever, He will give up on you and let you go your own way forever if that's the way you must have it....and the way you are talking, you are bound and determined to have it your own way and nothing in Hell can talk you out of it when Heaven could be your home and Earth is your grave.
I do not practice a religion, I live in reality......in reality, you are dying and need to be saved. By thinking you are justified to exist outside of Hell, you are being religious and your dying should prove you have to rights at all in the sight of God and the fact that you cannot keep yourself alive should compel you in reality to seek and be sure of having God's mercy forever so you won't be as you are now, lost in dying.
What is so difficult about seeing things from your perspective? I'm a sinner the same as you, I understand human passions the same as you, I have looked at things many many times the same way you look at things....I was lost like you.
It's not that you will be punished, you are being punished and need to be pardoned......for a while, God's mercy is holding back full punishment as long as you have time in this world, but the time of His mercy for you is running out and will be gone forever if you will not enter into agreement with Him regarding your unrighteousness and His right to punish you. Your punishment is only going to get worse if you will not seek and find God's mercy. You're trying to avoid reality, wagering your future in your pride and losing everything. You need to be saved, and can be saved IF you have not forever sealed your fate by hardening your heart to the point you will no longer hear God's plea for you to come to Him in repentance seeking pardon.
Yes, God knew what they would do before He created them. He knew some of them would rebel and to show Himself justified to keep them in Hell forever, He would have to give Himself in death , take the penalty of sin on Himself.....but it was not for the angels who sinned as they do not go through a physical death, He died for us to buy us back from the curse of sin and death. The devil who caused all the trouble in the first place by leading man into sin is condemned while the blood of Christ covers the sins of all who believe on Him. The devil knows that because Christ is risen from the dead, the devil is condemned to eternal dying in the lake of fire.
God knew the would turn evil, He knew mankind would be led into sin, and He knew what He would have to do to show Himself just in forgiving people who repent and believe on Him in His resurrection, and to show Himself just for leaving the devil with no way to be saved from the lake of fire.
A person is more than a manufactured product. A manufactured product does not make choices of it's own accord. God gives freedom of choice because He is good, God gives freedom of choice because He loves you even though He knows you choose the wrong thing at times going against Him. Freedom and love are two sides of the same coin, you are more than a manufactured product, you are a person loved by God.
God is being merciful to you, allowing you time outside of Hell and if you really have believed that Jesus is God the Savior and you have trusted Him for what He did for you and you have received Him as your Savior you are forgiven and have eternal life you do not deserve. If you allow the devil to confuse you by trying to place blame on God for evil, you are going to be messed up in the head and confused. If you trust God and believe His word your peace will be increased and your thoughts will be established on solid ground.
I'm sorry to make you play pastor, but I have many issues with God. He refuses to speak to me..........................................................................
It's not Him refusing to speak to you, it's issues of your heart preventing you from hearing Him. When He speaks it is always in His word. Get your Bible and a big magnifying glass and prayerfully read seeking to hear His voice in His word and you will find it resonating in the heart He has given you in which He lives and is your life....assuming you really have believed on Him and are saved. And if you are not saved, eventually you will realize that by reading His word and you will call on Him to save you and He will hear you.
You have to forgive God for allowing you to go through difficult trials, and even thank Him for those trials as He intends all things to work together for good to those who love Him. We are sinners who deserve nothing good, we deserve to die and burn in Hell and apparently you had to go through what you went through in order for you to seek God's mercy....had you not gone through those things you probably would be like one of these evil hateful atheists here on their way to Hell. You have to try to look at things from God's perspective to know His peace.
You also need to avoid indulging in worldly entertainments, stuff that glorifies people or sin and not Jesus. Those things carry blatant or subtle messages against God which will increase or intensify confusing thoughts and feelings. God is against rock and roll music in any form including "Christian" rock.
I don't mind playing pastor, I am humbled to think God might use me to be of some real spiritual and eternal benefit to you. I serve God and do as I believe He is leading me to do. Jesus Christ is my life, because He lives I live. I have been through a lot of extremely difficult trials myself, had to overcome a lot of challenges....it was a battle and the more I yield to the Lord the more I find His victory and know His love, joy, and peace. You are not the only person who has had to deal with problems like yours..there are people who had things you would think are much worse yet they have come forth as gold thanking God and praising the Lord for the life He gives them. There's a bigger picture than what our problems present...God is still on the throne.
I would like to see you get in a good old fashioned King James Bible believing soul-winning Independent Fundamental Baptist church which upholds the highest standards of holiness. Look in Sword of the Lord newspaper for one near you
God is after all the root of all evil, the evil amongst other evils. Are you going to pay heed if someone mentions about the horrors and evils that the europeans of the Middle Ages went through? How such an idea might turn on a potential psychopath into someone who's capable of inflicting pain? Or is it that this God, this omnipotent figure in our universe is able to create another world only reserved for people whose unwillingness and resistance brought them there in the first place? Imagine, a change full of rebellious souls tortured. Indeed its metaphorical interpretation can only lead one into concluding of his evilness.
I think it's best for me to ignore you, and you fail to explain how you got to be such a stupid punk....and I'm really not interested since you are extremely provocative and probably should be in jail.
Now tell me how am I the provocateur? By simply delivering my opinions in the most politically correct way? or is it because you're the first person to use ad-hominem instead of stating the facts that I've presented directly? I don't see any possibilities of someone with the acumen to have a fair and square argument explaining derogative words. Again, you're an utter extremist who doesn't like to hear out other people's opinions which is why you're simply unfit to access this website.
There is no such thing as a "God". And even if there was a "God", he sure as hell ain't good. Why would God allow a world where children especially third world children die young from war, starvation, and malnutrition?
So you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell and you think you are exonerated in death, and pain and suffering is meaningless as life has no real purpose.
Ever think of that? How long have you been a fool?
Don't bother answering......I'm not going to read, should have quit reading you a long time ago.
If you go by the "Old Testament", "GOD" killed, at least, thousands (including innocent babies, meaning HE believes in abortion(?))... by his own (hand??). It seems AFTER the Old Testament he just made us sick or let the evil HE created kill us. That, somehow, gets called "Gods love".
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called "insanity". When MANY suffer from a delusion it's called a "religion"". Robert Persig
I simply can't "worship" such a terrible entity. Some would say that's evil, but then, HE created evil, they say, and I don't LIKE evil, can't help it. It's my God-given right! ;-)
Who is killing you, fool? What makes you think God is not killing you? Why doesn't God stop you from dying? Why doesn't God keep you safe from pain and suffering?
I just turned 80. I'm still quite healthy, no pain and suffering. What makes you think "GOD" IS killing me?? I've lost a lot of friends ... many of which believed. I'm still here ... where I like it, THEY are gone. I'm not thinking I'm getting "what I deserve", I'm thinking I am just LUCKY. If I'm a "fool" I hope I can go on being one for a FEW more years. Obviously I don't have something hating me to death. Wish me luck! I hope YOU are at least as lucky ... maybe I AM a fool???
80, that's great!!! My father is 83 and he's on his way to Hell just like you. It's sad. Once people decide they are good, and they believe they are exonerated by death and trust in the good things they have done as their insurance against ending up in Hell, there's really nothing you can do.
I told my father he is on his way to Hell because He is on his way to Hell. He thinks that as long as he was trying to make things right in his life, he'll be okay. The problem is that you can't undo what you have done, it is done forever, and you can't make it right, you need God's mercy and He provided for it by giving Himself as the atonement for your sins, His blood is to cover your sins if you will believe from your heart that He is risen from the dead bodily and is the Living God willing to forgive all who seek His mercy and ask Him to be their life. His death for your death, His life for your life. Ask God's mercy, believe Jesus lives and is God the Son, call on God the Father in the name of God the Son to forgive you and save you from Hell, receive Jesus by faith as your Savior and you will be forgiven and saved from Hell.
But you, like my father, are apparently bound and determined to face God and demand leniency based on how good of a person you are......and when it comes time to face God, you won't want anything but to get away from Him as fast and as far as you can and you'll be cast away into the Lake of Fire which is the second death and never counts down to zero like you are counting down now.
You're killing yourself.....spitting in the face of the Life Giver is suicide...God is holding you back from final execution of justice against your sins but He won't be patient with you forever, the time is coming soon when God will say "enough is enough" and then you are gone forever away from any indication that He loves you. Enjoy the rain, sunshine, and fresh air while you can.
There is no such thing as luck. God is in control, your "luck" is nothing but God's mercy in allowing you time as a sinner outside of Hell.......and it's running out fast.
Try this....once a day, say "God has no right to kill me.". Keep track, mark down each day that you said it and then when you are gone, the people still here can read about how you proved God does not have the right to kill you.
Listen to yourself...you just hate God and rather than accepting the fact that you deserve pain and suffering, you want o blame God for it. You're a fool, all you are doing is ensuring that your pain and suffering will never end. You think it will end? Let's see you get out of it.
You forgot to mention that God killed everybody in the whole world, men women and children, in the flood.
Also, you forgot God's promise that the next time He destroys the world it will be by fire; and men will beg for death to escaped but they won't find it, they won't get relief.
Isn't it good to know God will subdue His enemies and separate them from the living forever while He keeps those who trust in His mercy safe in Heaven? Yes, it's good.
I also forgot to mention that Superman came from Krypton and HE is capable of saving the world. Isn't it good to know that Superman will subdue his enemies and protect the living forever while he keeps those who trust HIM safe in this world? Yes, it is good to believe. Good night, sleep tight.
A thing you can imagine is not God who created all things. Superman, who you insist cannot be God, is of course not God. When you argue that Superman cannot be God, you are arguing against your own consciously created straw man....a form of stroking your ego, making yourself feel like you are winning against God when you are getting yourself off on your own imagination.....thinking you are getting yourself out of being responsible for your sins, thinking that death is freedom, and always sounding bitter about being denied life. Enjoy the fresh air, sunshine, and rain while you can......and be sure not to thank God for any of it, and be sure there will be nothing to thank God for where you are going......nothing good in fire except for one thing: it is good to know God will separate His enemies from the living and the living won't have to hear their cries and cursing and all the stupid things they say against God sealing their own condemnation.
You hope death protects you? What a fool you are, old man.
