CreateDebate


Debate Info

21
40
yes no
Debate Score:61
Arguments:42
Total Votes:68
More Stats

Argument Ratio

side graph
 
 yes (17)
 
 no (21)

Debate Creator

sierrastruth(524) pic



Do you think that "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrent" is an offensive term?

yes

Side Score: 21
VS.

no

Side Score: 40
1 point

Yes. These people have emigrated to a different country, for reasons such as war, poverty, disease, even abuse. All they want is a new home, and to call these poor people Aliens, is offensive.

Side: yes
CriticalEYE(29) Disputed
5 points

Legal and illegal are simply terms used to describe individuals who entered "legally" or "illegally". You know, 4 or 5 decades ago, the mentally handicap were publicly called retards, without any negative connotations. What do you propose the description for people that are here illegally be called then? Non-legitimate? Go-rounders? Statute by-passers? See, illegal doesn't sound so bad after all.

Side: no
1 point

Well all righty then, if that's how you want to look at it, then i respect your views!

Side: no
1 point

Is it offensive to call people who moved/live in a country legally "citizens?" No? I don't see how you can maintain this double standard.

Side: no
Jungelson(3920) Disputed
1 point

No, you absolute, Ignoramus. I am hardly saying that calling people citizens is offensive. You saying "they shouldn't immigrate illegally", is. Very. Either you can stay in your country and probably die in the next few weeks, whilst watching the people you love die around you, or you can all move in to a different country. What is the big fuss. "Oh, they take out jobs." You're pathetic. What gives you the right over them. What makes you superior as a human being? Nothing. Sure, you might have more qualifications. Then by all means, you have more right. But for gods sake, if some Iranian guy has a job as a dustbin man, whats there to complain about? It's one thing, and one thing only. Pure, racism. If they have a different skin color, or speak in a different language, "Oh look at 'em. Takin' out jobs 'n all." It is Pathetic. Would you refuse a little ten year old girl in to your country because she doesn't have a passport? Look in to her eyes, and tell her that. Other country's like France or Germany, you don't need a visa. I could just cycle from one country in to the other, no problemo. But no, even if they're fleeing from a war torn country, even if they're dying of starvation, as long as it means you have to look at some Afghan person, you don't want them here. Now, maybe you're not racist, i don't know you. But i do know many people with the same mind set as you who are racists. And let me tell you something. I, along with the vast majority of the country, do not like racists!

Side: yes
1 point

"Illegal Alien" is a term, not a derogatory one, but a simple legal term. If you don't like it, tough shit ;)

Side: no
1 point

See, the thing is, we all live on planet Earth and we are all humans. This is our home. Having these "countries" is stupid. We either work together (for our long-term survival) or there's no point for any of it.

Side: yes
CriticalEYE(29) Disputed
2 points

Really? Hey, would you mind paying the taxes for my county and city then, seeing how we are all one and stuff?

Side: no
nummi(1435) Disputed
2 points

Really? Hey, would you mind paying the taxes for my county and city then, seeing how we are all one and stuff?

Paying taxes? For your county and city? Irrelevant. Think big, like the whole planet, as I do.

We aren't one and stuff. But we should be.

You're missing the point. Having "countries" with different "laws" is detrimental to humanity.

Money? Money is used as a motivator for people to do anything, but in reality it is also detrimental to humanity.

In case of an extinctive event, would you rather wait for the money to arrive so that there would be a motivation for survival, so that people would start working toward survival, and while you are waiting for the money everyone dies? (the money might not arrive even if you had the time) Or would you just do what is necessary, without money keeping you back, and ensure survival?

You think being unified is not good? Explain, how exactly? The way I see it it would solve almost every problem we have. No wars, ever again, for one. Also, no more "illegal immigrants" ever again.

Side: yes
1 point

I am afraid, sir, that even though what you say is the utter truth, there are far too many little Eurocrats and democrats in this world who have the have things their way. T9o many people have too much to loose. Good thinking though.

Side: yes
ChadOnSunday(1863) Clarified
1 point

How is the point of life to work to benefit the long term survival of humanity?

Side: yes
nummi(1435) Disputed
1 point

Everyone may choose their own "point of life", but if it does not contribute to the rest, toward the future in some manner, it is pointless.

When it all comes down to it then, from human perspective, there is nothing more important then the survival of humanity.

If we don't work toward that then our existence is pointless, then we might as well kill ourselves right now and be done with it.

I am very certain that humanity dies one day, but not trying to make us last as long as possible is very stupid. Since we exist why not go on as long as we can?

Side: no
DevinSeay(1122) Disputed
1 point

Oh, aren't you so precious. You live in a fantasy land, my friend. Welcome to the real world.

Side: no
nummi(1435) Disputed
1 point

If you have nothing smart to say, say nothing at all. You show yourself as dumb if you do.

I know exactly what the real world is like. The coal is not to accept current inferior and downright idiotic ways but to strive toward better ones. You clearly cannot comprehend a truth as simple as that, just as very many others can't.

Side: yes
1 point

YES I THINK SO. because, I mean, boning an alien? ew man. we should all bone properly so we will live happy lives.

Side: yes
DevinSeay(1122) Clarified
1 point

...What...

No words can describe how much you didn't make sense.

Side: yes
1 point

If you are referring to the people who were here native to these lands. Yes, and anybody using the term 'Illegal alien' should be deported

Side: yes
1 point

They're the same race, so calling them an 'alien' is dehumanising and extremely offensive. They have been under a great deal of pressure, and many haven't seen their families for years. An alliance between the US and Mexico would be a good idea, so people can cross the border freely. If the US is so powerful, how can it not help it's neighbour?

Side: yes

It is not PC. Another name should be applied that is not offensive.

Side: yes
6 points

I don't care if they find it offensive or not, illegal is illegal, are we a nation of law or not?

Side: no

I think they are accurate terms, particularly the second one. If you are offended by being called an "illegal immigrant," don't immigrate illegally.

Side: no

Nope .

Side: no
Elvira(3446) Disputed
1 point

That's a one word answer with no reason given.

Side: yes
2 points

"Illegal immigrant" is an accurate title that sums up someone who comes from another country and proceeds to relocate to another country without taking the proper measures.

It's cheating, on a much bigger scale.

So no, it shouldn't be an offensive term.

And to respond a little to other claims:

We have a diverse population, and an even more diverse way of thinking. Countries, states, territories, cities, counties (etc) help people group in a like minded environment; at least enough to be a law-abiding citizen.

Think of it as agreeing to the "Terms Of Service" for any software, electronics or internet community. Illegal immigration bypasses the legal documentation that allows the government to know you will abide by our laws and tolerate our culture.

Side: no

Think of it as agreeing to the "Terms Of Service" for any software, electronics or internet community. Illegal immigration bypasses the legal documentation that allows the government to know you will abide by our laws and tolerate our culture.

Good example. I haven't even really had the chance to debate with anyone about why immigration laws are necessary; the opposition on this argument seems to be pushing for the kind of fanciful utopia where we don't have need of laws or countries at all.

Side: no
1 point

Thank you. I agree that they tend to have that attitude, which I clearly do not think is realistic.

Side: no
1 point

What should we call it then? "You are not allowed in this country" alien or immigrent. Maybe we should give them money, food, and a home to stay in while they take the money of the legal, tax paying, law obieding citizen...

Oh, wait....

Side: no
1 point

Personally, if someone called me an illegal immingrant (assuming I was) I would just be annoyed. How could I ever be deeply offended though?

Side: no