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Do you wish there wasn't a god?
As has been said by both atheists and christians on this site: God wants to destroy humanity for the sins it has committed and for not believing in Him. The majority of us will be tortured forever. Do you ever wish that atheists were right and this God character didn't exist? Or is it okay because you personally will live forever in bliss while everyone else suffers the worst fate imaginable?
I don't believe in any god or supernatural power, and yes I hope I'm not wrong. The alternative would be very sad, both for me and the vast majority of all human kind.
The phrasing of this question seems to imply that there is a god but we might wish there was not. However to really answer this question we would have to specify which god. I certainly hope the Christan God is not real. Just think of the number of innocent children that he had killed, he is also okay with slavery, and has many other negative characteristics like promising to eternal torment most of the world for finite crimes. The God of the Koran would also be a god I hope is not real. There may be some God conceived by man that is truly worth wanting to believe in but most are petty and cruel like the men who conceived of them.
God is very evil for not giving a very good man like me a wife and family that i always wanted instead of being single and all alone today. It is very sad that God created so many very evil nasty women as well adding to the problem, especially when many of these type of low life loser women will Curse at many of us good men for No Reason at all when we will just say good morning or hello to them just hoping to get a normal conversation going. And i do know other friends too having the very same problem since they had similar experiences with these type of women as well. Doesn't make any sense at all. And it is very sad that the great majority of these women nowadays just don't have any respect and manners when it comes to us men at all. Very obvious why so many men today are going MGTOW now because of this unfortunately. God what in the world have you done to these women today when Most women back in the old days were Real Ladies and very easy too meet?
What a surprise! The two biggest Theist morons on the whole fucking site are the first to reply in the negative category! That srom dude cannot even form a coherent paragraph. Just read it. Makes no sense. Just like the idea of an imaginary friend sky God.
Tis a pity these idiots do not realize the vast portion of their lives that are squandered on talking to and worshipping a false deity who does not exist. Let alone hears them. Or gives two shits about them. Our lives here on earth are already incredibly brief. This is why us atheists actually value our lives more than the theists.
So...figure one of these deluded dolts spends, say, three hours a week talking to their imaginary friend. That equates to a walloping 160 hours a year. Or about one week per year!
So...in a 75 year long life of a religious fool, they waste 75 weeks, or over one precious year, just talking to something that isn't there. Something who impacts their lives and listens to them or cares about them as much as Big Bird does.
What about those people that have never heard of Jesus? How is that a choice?
In any case, even those that do choose not to believe in God, do you not feel sympathy for them? I wouldn't wish eternal torture on anyone but yet you and others like you seem almost boastful. Can you explain that attitude to me?
one who has never heard ?? .... indeed you are worse off then they ...
You dont have an answer for how people that have no knowledge of God can be held responsible for not believing?
you HAVE heard and yet reject .. hotter Hell for you indeed
You don't truly believe what you just said. You cant possibly hate me so much to so gleefully say that I will suffer worse than others in hell. Are you that sadistic? Stop and think. Seriously.
You are what is wrong with Christians. This guy was willing to have a respectful conversation and instead you mock him? The threat means nothing to us atheists but to you, you told hike you want him to suffer for FOREVER just because he doesn't believe something that he has no proof for. I don't even know why I bother to write this, knowing you'll just gloss over it and come up with a refute that means nothing and just try to be harsh
...because i cannot think of any being that can cause goodness to another other than a god. if a god does not exist, then who is responsible for the innate goodness of every man (his care for life, his friends, family, etc. if it is not god who is the absolute good, then every being is intrinsically evil. man, being intrinsically evil is far more horrifying than having no god at all.
the other question is...if i presume that there is god who causes man to be intrinsically good, then why do we witness evil deeds in this world? who causes those deeds to happen? . Nothing causes it. evil deeds happen because we deny the presence of the good
What about when he flooded the earth? What about the cities where he killed everyone who's had sex? What about the BILLIONS of people that have died with out believing in him that he has been and will be torturing for the rest of eternity?
Then he isn't all powerful because people will be tortured in the afterlife. You cannot use the argument that it is human beings free will that caused the torturing.. suffering in hell is 100% the decision of God.
The difficulty we have in this is the punishment as a focus.
None need to perish.
All can be saved. Salvation is offered to all.
Why should those who have been made children of God, be punished for the decisions of those who dont want Salvation.
Isnt this sort of the same chant of society, "not fair unless everyone gets a trophy."
Yet in this everyone can get a trophy! So now then we should rule with no one should get a trophy, if others dont want a trophy? So then therefore we should have no tropheys for anyone, right?
The entitlement mentality neon sign blinking millennials!
Look, everyone can have eternal life! Let the wicked perish. If you choose to perish with the wicked, why should that have to spoil our inheritance?
Each man according to his own deeds. Isnt that fair?
Each man according to his own deeds. Isnt that fair?
It is absolutely fair to judge men according to their deeds. This is not what God does. He judges people according to how much they say they love him. You can be a supremely good person but yet he will punish you. This is of course aside from the fact that torturing someone for all eternity is disproportionate for just not believing. "Oh sorry you don't believe this 2000 year old text that has been edited a few hundred times?? Well burn all eternity to evil scumbag". No.
Look, everyone can have eternal life! Let the wicked perish. If you choose to perish with the wicked, why should that have to spoil our inheritance?
This is what makes fundamentalist Christian dangerous. They look at you and they see wickedness. You are worthless compared to them. Thankfully, the number of Christians that actually believe in hell is relatively few.
God is love ? You defended last week god commanding abortion because the aborted children could grow up to be terrorists ; you're a two faced hypocrite ......
Hitler and Stalin were altar boys compared to the monstrous fiction you bow and crawl too ....
1 Samuel 15:2,3
2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "
I know it hard to separate filthy from good these days, the wicked will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire.
He doesnt bother being gentle with the wicked. They had the opportunity for mercy. And He cares for sheep, and the meek will inherit the earth.
Again this worlds core is dark. You are seemingly a waste of time. With God all things are possible. I hope for you, but you seem like you are destined for the common grave named a fool!
Incredible that you defend a vengeful ,hate and spite filled god you truly are fucked in the head , I pity your kids what your teaching them is hate and it's child abuse ....
Good luck with that one you half wit , no one but fucked up American nut jobs come out with this end of times horseshit while the rest of the world laughs ....
No. I just wish people would stop being assholes, but that doesn't really have much to do with God, that's the nature of the person. Well, maybe some of it is because of the God they believe in but ultimately people are responsible for their own actions.
This is what Paul and Peter said. Paul and Peter would know 1st hand about natures from Jesus and the dwelling of the Holy Spirit, they actually describe often Gods nature and man's nature. So I would not depend on your opinion. It contradicts Paul in several books and verses. Here are just two examples.
Ephesians 2:3
Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
2 Peter 1:4
For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.
People existed long before Jesus so I'm not entirely sure where your argument lies in this. And you can be an asshole without lusting after someone. Maybe some clarification on where you're coming from to dispute what I originally said would be good.
What YOU are saying is ALL HEARSAY. YOU, or anyone else on this planet, NEVER heard one word from any of those characters. Hearsay is not allowed in American courts. We would do well to be asked to swear on our Constitution, rather than a book of hearsay!
These "Scriptures" were "allegedly" decreed thousands of years ago, and cobbled together thousands of year AFTER the ?fact??, After thousands of yes living without them! Why di this "god" wait thousands of years to come and tell "his creations" how to live?? Millions had lived before without "his guidance". They killed, raped, sinned for centuries! Then, after millions had chosen their beliefs, IT comes in and says Sorry, you MUST believe in ME and my apostles will give you my orders! See you in another million years....maybe.
Sorry, it's a bit too much to understand ... actually, HORRIBLE management!
Then bring God to court! He is the Supreme Court Judge of all courts! Only He can judge in truth because He is all truth. And only He is capable of judging every intention of the heart.
Our court models God's "court."
At least in its original. We judge intent as well. But God judges every intention of the heart! Our cout reflects His court, although only in outline or sketch.
There is no law by precedence or curve, man added that, and its destroyed the justice system we now know in America!
How can I bring god to court? Nobody's seen him for thousands of years. Many, including myself, don't think he exists, many think he is someone else ... or something else.
I, one of many, would like to see s/he/it answer to the cruelty, the seemingly unjustifiable genocide allowed by one so (allegedly) powerful. Why does s/he/it allow so many babies to die after birth if he is against abortion? (The United States was/is a leader in the world in this ... last I knew 173rd out of 193 countries!) Why does s/he/it allow wars that kill millions, some by those following "false gods" (allegedly).
Yes, I'd like to hear s/he/it's excuses in court! Not the one YOU mention ... OURS!
Did you ever hear? "Our righteousness is like filthy rags before Him." What does it mean?
God showed me what that meant.
It is explained in this parable below. (Matthew 22)
A backdrop the wedding clothes are coverings. Imagine Jesus legally purchased all the dust back from under the fall, our flesh that makes up a bodily covering for our souls.
One set of dust is cleansed and made new, and in His nature. The other "garment" is like the nature of Cain, wrestling with the ground to produce "the best" and "the worste" of mankind's nature.
Coverings, clothes, and garments, also in the law mentioned are garments made of two fabrics, this is a prophetic command for judgment against "divided hearts."
See Laodecea in Revelations. And I encourage you to study these words in the Bible for more understanding.
At the Resurrection He eventually ... (in two stages, I just mentioned for clarity purpose only.)
Eventually all bodies are returned to each disembodied soul. Disembodied souls since the fall, these wander lost is the hopelessness and brokenness of man in the Hell in the middle of the earth.
Jesus was the Bread who was broken for us, in order to make us whole again. This is Salvation. In case you ever wondered "saved from what?"
So in the end when everyone has their bodies is returned to them, those not cleansed and made new through the work of Christ will be "as filthy rags" which is actually referencing "menstrual rags" (note: which is a state of being barren)
And those have to sit outside. Where it is written in Revelations, He says "outside are the dogs immoral etc... "
The whole Bible is one string, one author, one purpose, one direction, literally one beginnining to end!
If you understand it by His revealing it. So in your own righteousness no matter how man mwasures, before Jesus you will not be dressed appropriately for His wedding feast!
Matthew 22
1 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying,
2 “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son.
3 And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come.
4 Again he sent out other slaves saying, ‘Tell those who have been invited, “Behold, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and my fattened livestock are all butchered and everything is ready; come to the wedding feast.”’
5 But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm, another to his business,
6 and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them.
7 But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire.
8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy.
9 Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.’
10 Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests.
11 “But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes,
12 and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
You discussed nature and God so I clarified really what the Bible says about our "nature" Seems to me if you want to intelligently speak of natures and God in the same post, you should define natures.
You: I just wish people would stop being assholes, but that doesn't really have much to do with God, that's the nature of the person. Well, maybe some of it is because of the God they believe in but ultimately people are responsible for their own actions.
Do me a favor and explain nature as per yourself. That's what I want to know. Not some copy/paste response according to a scripture. What do you, yourself think? Because what you are saying as an example in the bible is someone else's interpretation, and I know you can think for yourself.
I did. I explained the scriptures, I explained them in my own words. And I referenced scriptures that show I did not make them up in my own head.
Yhe crazy thing about now a days, you people who say you believe in Jesus, would prefer to follow anyones mind opinions views and thoughts, but wont confirm facts to the Bible so your not misguided. The Bible is supposed to be the staff that measures and the sword that cuts through deceptions.
And I agree with the scriptures.
People who follow Jesus agree with the word of God.
Jesus said He came to fulfill the law and the prophets. And that every jot and tittle will be fullfilled. There are some sheep sitting in deception.Those are people are those who know His word, but have justified deceptions particuarly in globalization and in social justice.
Jesus spoke of this. I'm one that is not one in deception. I agree with the words of Jesus, the Spirit of Christ. And some are following the spirit of antichrist. All these things are described in detail by Jesus and the Appostles as well as in the Old Testament.
Here is what I wrote about natures.
Did you ever hear? "Our righteousness is like filthy rags before Him." What does it mean?
God showed me what that meant.
It is explained in this parable below. (Matthew 22)
A backdrop the wedding clothes are coverings. Imagine Jesus legally purchased all the dust back from under the fall, our flesh that makes up a bodily covering for our souls.
One set of dust is cleansed and made new, and in His nature. The other "garment" is like the nature of Cain, wrestling with the ground to produce "the best" and "the worste" of mankind's nature.
Coverings, clothes, and garments, also in the law mentioned are garments made of two fabrics, this is a prophetic command for judgment against "divided hearts."
See Laodecea in Revelations. And I encourage you to study these words in the Bible for more understanding.
At the Resurrection He eventually ... (in two stages, I just mentioned for clarity purpose only.)
Eventually all bodies are returned to each disembodied soul. Disembodied souls since the fall, these wander lost is the hopelessness and brokenness of man in the Hell in the middle of the earth.
Jesus was the Bread who was broken for us, in order to make us whole again. This is Salvation. In case you ever wondered "saved from what?"
So in the end when everyone has their bodies is returned to them, those not cleansed and made new through the work of Christ will be "as filthy rags" which is actually referencing "menstrual rags" (note: which is a state of being barren)
And those have to sit outside. Where it is written in Revelations, He says "outside are the dogs immoral etc... "
The whole Bible is one string, one author, one purpose, one direction, literally one beginnining to end!
If you understand it by His revealing it. So in your own righteousness no matter how man mwasures, before Jesus you will not be dressed appropriately for His wedding feast!
It doesn't matter what you believe in, a person can be an asshole using Gods name just as much as a person who doesn't believe can be one. Personally I don't care who believes in what, I just hope they are good people and not, you know, an ass.
Ok here is the facts. It doesnt matter what other people say and do. Jesus was clear many come in His name and are not His.
He sent His Spirit and a written word to bring us through.
Your called to keep your eyes on His teaching and follow closely by His Spirit.
You dont think this excuse will fly before Him do you?? Thats crazy. He commands us to be alert and know Him.
Its your own fault if you miss Him! You cant blame others for that!
Matthew 25
1 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
2 Five of them were foolish, and five were prudent.
3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
4 but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps. 5 Now while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and began to sleep.
6 But at midnight there was a shout, ‘Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
8 The foolish said to the prudent, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’
9 But the prudent answered, ‘No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’
10 And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
11 Later the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open up for us.’
12 But he answered, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’
13 Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.
So you think you can create God in your image, and not seek Him, and He will have mercy on you because of your version of what is good in your head is somehow justified?
Your spiritually dillusional! Its called deception! Read it. Iy may be in every page!
When people embrace a belief in God that is what is right in their own eyes, but in opposition to what is written plainly in His word, is creating God in their mind according to their standard. Which fluctuates people to people. Some times even changes of their minds every few years.
But God does not adapt or change. His thoughts are NOT your thoughts. And honestly Jesus was repetitive. Its not like He dodnt say many things many times! There is .o excuse to make God your version of truth. Your ways are NOT His ways!
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26 Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27 The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”
God does not conform to the subjective truths and thoughts of the minds of unholy mankind! He is not of this world, any who want eternal life are aliens. Jesus said a million times we are Not of the world, because He takes us out of the world.
Isaiah 55
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
And do not return there without watering the earth
And making it bear and sprout,
And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
It will not return to Me empty,
Without accomplishing what I desire,
And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
Philippians 2:21
For they all seek after their own interests, not those of Christ Jesus.
Romans 3:11
There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God;
Romans 10:3
For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
John 7:18
He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.
John 5:44
How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?
Luke 17:33
Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.
Luke 13:24
“Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 12:30
For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things.
Matthew 6:33
But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
Lamentations 3:25
The Lord is good to those who wait for Him, To the person who seeks Him.
I just wish people would choose their own (or not), and keep S/HE/IT to themselves! Some people need an entity to believe in ... FINE! I just hate to see people fighting over that god and claiming all others are "phonier than mine"! If YOU believe, let OTHERS believe what they want! (It's the American way!)
This is the difference in many truths and many religions, and this by this we add to every indication of truth that is mathmatically conclusive of Jesus Christ, the Bible, and the Creator God.
Many things an overwelming amount of evidence is present proving the Bible and God beyond any reasonable doubt.
Dismiss the many who bear false witness against God. Its really obvious now to prove God and His word.
We have documentable evidence showing He is truth, in history, in consistency, in sensibility and logic in the message, we dont have to twist things to show anything.
Even by math and science He is proven. Not at all coincidences, its not mathmatically probable to dismiss all of them as coincidence, its unreasonable!
At some point coincidences in one area, say Jesus being at the center of all things, the math says it all becomes not a coincidence, its improbable that they are coincidences!
Unreasonable minds do not consider what are the mathmatical odds of many these many coincidences occurring. Its like they are trained to be stupid in denial of anything reasonable. And its in every direction that has to do with goodness period!
Yet these are the same people who do not apply math at all to evolution in the other direction either, as they hail evolution. In complete ignorance and blind faith, unfounded, and at unreasonable odds. Their minds are literally like unreasoning animals. Just like the Bible said they would be.
Just about every religion acknowledges Jesus as a prophhet, or in some place of honor. But none have each other in a place of honor. Like Buddhism doesn't acknowledge Mohommad but they do acknowledge Jesus, and Islam doesn't acknowledge Buddha but they do acknowledge Jesus.
You can cross reference most religions and find that most all of them acknowledge Jesus in an honorable manner.
But they do not acknowledge each others special prophet!
Hindus also. Yet in Christianity we only acknowledge Jesus through the Old Testament. And even the Jews say Jesus was at least "good."
So how is it that all religions, even those that are antichrist acknowledge Him. It reminds me of an account in the Gospels. Where even the demons acknowledged Him!
Everyone acknowledges Jesus in one way or another. Most of posters acknowledge Jesus and the Bible several times a day!!
So then recap, other religions even honor Him, yet they do not honor each "other's gurus." Atheist achnowledge Him several times a day.
Some acknowledge Him all day long, in their jobs, in their hobbies, and in their recreation. Who achnowledges Buddah or Mohammad all day.
Thats kind of rare, but man who doesnt achnowledge God and the Bible everyday?
All religions point to Jesus. Even in atheism, they acknowledge Him even if by a venomous hate for the God they say they don't believe in and they have been at war with Him since the dark ages.
And everyone everywhere has answered to Him. And to the Bible. Not everyone every where have a rote response to Buddha or Mohommad.
There are a huge number of Buddhist, Muslisms, and Hindu. So why doesnt everyone everywhere achnowledge these every day. Islam only when evil terrorism strikes! But everyone "thanks God" every time they miss something unpleasant. "Thank God!"
Add that to the time line in dating history and artifacts as A.D. and B.C. No matter how the atheist in the fields daing facts try to redefine these, its really to solid to impliment.
And Israel is the point on the map that defines what is East and what is West.
And then TORH TORH YHWY HROT HROT in the five books of the Torah which is Hebrew w/out vowels.
Accurately declaring that most languages to the West will read and write left to right and to the East read and write right to left with YHWY in the middle book. Will because left to right Western reading and writing had not occurred when the Torah was written.
And curiously its in equidistant letters YHWY is found in intervals of 7, and the TORH spelled "frontward" rigt to left. And "backward" left to right are like bookends, and each found the same way at intervals of 7 squared, at 49 space intervals.
So YHWH, and Jesus, and Gods chosen people define all these things straight down the middle, including their Messiah who they don't even realize has come. I can only say it takes a special kind of fool to dismiss all these improbable mathmatically confirmed "coincidences!"
Matt 8
28 When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way.
29 And they cried out, saying, “What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”
30 Now there was a herd of many swine feeding at a distance from them.
31 The demons began to entreat Him, saying, “If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine.”
32 And He said to them, “Go!” And they came out and went into the swine, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and perished in the waters.
33 The herdsmen ran away, and went to the city and reported everything, including what had happened to the demoniacs.
If there wasn't my God(creator of all things), i too wouldn't exist to make wishes. I need a God to make wishes. And if i wish Him out of existence, it means wishing everything related to him outta existence: His power, Creation(which includes me), etc.