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Does Andy have alt accounts?
There are so many characters here that are clearly the same person e.g. KNHav and SaintNow, Demon Hunter and Slapshot etc I wonder if they are all Andy, the site owner? This site perhaps isnt doing so well so he creates all these accounts to amuse us? What do you think?
It only explains that Andy is a rabid advocate of Free Speech and is intent to keep this fine site as free of censorship as possible. He has even come right out and said this several times, and you have been here long enough to know this. Andy is obviously adopting and indeed instilling a Libertarian type of zeitgeist here on CD.
You really need to regfrain from feeding the conspiracy theory monkey that is FartGag....er...Artrag. Liars think ALL people are lying too. They think that duplicity is an inherent part of human nature. This is why he thinks everybody and their mother has an alt account. Good Lord, GoCart: he thinks I have an alt account of a religious psycho who hunts demons in is spare time! Never mind the fact we have addressed each other's posts before. Which, though of course could be done from one guy having two or more accounts, sure would be a disturbing display of deceit. And would beg the question: "Why the fuck bother?"
I have worked hard here to create an amount of credibility and a rep for being somewhat learned in Science. Why mess with that?
Anyway....no. Andy only has the addtdl or whatever it is acct. And he's not online nearly as much here as you, or Saint, or about two dozen other regular denizens. I like his hands-off policy. When I was at DDO I felt the TOA was far too cumbersome. IN fact, I finally resigned as a Mod because I got tired of being chewed out by the Senior Mod for not being hard enough of suspending or even banning guys. (that's part of the reason I left; I also just didn't have time anymore after I began Grad School.)
Please refrain from accusing me of lying. You'll piss me off and you surely do not want that.
As far as being a mod on DDO, so what? I reckon you think that's some sort of Big Deal? It wasn't. Ask me anything about it, the job, the mod names, et al and I will prove me past status there. Shit...I helped CODE for the design of that site, moron. I do Java/Python/C++/http.
So...tell us what you know about DDO? Or internet debate sites? Or shooting your mouth off about things of which you know shite?
That bullshit you smell is no doubt emanating from your own pores.
As far as coding, of course Java is the only one of those three I mentioned that would be useful for Web Design. (along with http--a given, being the "ht" is hyper-tecxt.) I just wanted Gator to be apprised of the fact I am pretty adept in the programming world and that being a mod on DDO is certainly not Rocket Science, or even much Computer Science. LOL
Html was the correct answer. So you clearly know nothing at all about web design. You ahould try keep your characters within the boundaries of your knowledge. Very few websites use java these days due to security vulnerabilities. I cant think of anything on DDO that does, or could have in the past, used java.
As I said. It's a given. It's as if we were discussing cursive writing style and I did not begin by saying, "first, get a pen."
Besides...The work I did on DDO WAS in Java, I did no html for them, though of course, as in ALL websites, it's used. (ht=hyper-text). And Java is still used extensively, despite what you claim. Ask Andy.
Again...my observation about how liars think ALL folks lie comes to mind.
Besides...The work I did on DDO WAS in Java, I did no html for them, though of course, as in ALL websites, it's used. (ht=hyper-text). And Java is still used extensively, despite what you claim. Ask Andy.
Granted I am only an amateur at web design (I would have expected you to say you know javascript PHP CSS if you were a web designer) but I do know that java is very outdated is very outdated - hence the question in your link "is Java still suited....". Can you tell me what exactly DDO used java for? I cant see any trace of if it on the site.
The bigot who told us how he smeared feses on Christian literature in a Church, and then months later said he was lying just to bother Christians, is now saying and I repeat.....
"I have worked hard here to create an amount of credibility and a rep for being somewhat learned in Science. Why mess with that?"
CREDIBILITY? LOL, you just can't make this stuff up.
Yep...credibility insofar as science is concerned, where I do believe myself to be a nearly impeccable source. As I have devoted the past six years to studying it.
As far as the whole "bible shit" story. So what? A bad joke made months ago. Everyone but you seems to know this and has let it go. People joke like that every day here. I find it amusing that is the only thing you can ever call me on, as you never are able to refute any of my posts, be they political or science-themed. And as far as dishonesty? Shit, man: I bust up your rants, piece by piece, all the time and disprove your straw man claims. Pot, meet Kettle!
You can't expect credibility in science when you don't uphold credibility in character. This is what I keep pointing to when I show the vast variables in interpretation regarding your methods or supporting your beliefs and commentaries on the facts of nature aimed more at upholding your beliefs than at upholding consistent truth in observation of nature.......and this is the reason "scientist" try to replace God with nature, because nature is mindless and does not care about your character.
Bill Nye's character defects are indeed integral in his teachings and beliefs of "science".
You can't expect credibility in science when you don't uphold credibility in character. This is what I keep pointing to when I show the vast variables in interpretation regarding your methods or supporting your beliefs and commentaries on the facts of nature aimed more at upholding your beliefs than at upholding consistent truth in observation of nature.......and this is the reason "scientist" try to replace God with nature, because nature is mindless and does not care about your character.
Bill Nye's character defects are indeed integral in his teachings and beliefs of "science".
You can't expect credibility in science when you don't uphold credibility in character.
Do you understand what credible means? Smearing faeces on the Bible does not make someone unreliable.
. This is what I keep pointing to when I show the vast variables in interpretation regarding your methods or supporting your beliefs and commentaries on the facts of nature aimed more at upholding your beliefs than at upholding consistent truth in observation of nature
That is a problem with science in general yes. There requires a huge weight of evidence before science shifts from one way of thinking to another.
and this is the reason "scientist" try to replace God with nature, because nature is mindless and does not care about your character.
The problem with your God is that he hasnt spoken to anyone for a very long time. His book explains very little of how the world works. Therefore science isnt "replacing" God word because there is no explanation to replace. "There was a garden and did put all the animals in it and they were very happy before the snake talked to the woman and pulled the snakes legs right off and he had to slither and then I chucked them out of the garden and was very sad". Oh thank you all knowledgeable creator!! That explains everything!
You can't expect credibility in science when you don't uphold credibility in character. This is what I keep pointing to when I show the vast variables in interpretation regarding your methods or supporting your beliefs and commentaries on the facts of nature aimed more at upholding your beliefs than at upholding consistent truth in observation of nature.......and this is the reason "scientist" try to replace God with nature, because nature is mindless and does not care about your character.
Bill Nye's character defects are indeed integral in his teachings and beliefs of "science".
I wrote this to Slap Shot with a note to the idiot, Atfag, at the end.........................................................................You can't expect credibility in science when you don't uphold credibility in character. This is what I keep pointing to when I show the vast variables in interpretation regarding your methods or supporting your beliefs and commentaries on the facts of nature aimed more at upholding your beliefs than at upholding consistent truth in observation of nature.......and this is the reason "scientist" try to replace God with nature, because nature is mindless and does not care about your character.
Bill Nye's character defects are indeed integral in his teachings and beliefs of "science".
Reading your posts sometimes is actually pleasantly engaging, but then you blow it with profanities. People in this world who you would respect for their angel-like character and good works will not read you, you will exclude yourself from being appreciated by people who hold high standards of conduct and character. Sure, there a millions who will pay you for your writings as Dawkins has proven while sharpening his profanities and intensifying the heat of his hatred for Christianity so he becomes heat-treated hardened heart more and more as time goes on.......but by trying to add power to your speech with profanity instead of with reason, you lose the best of your audience.
Oh no I'm more of an islamophobe at the moment, but i'll excuse your mistake :) I've been OK I guess. I missed annoying/getting annoyed at- all the assholes here so I thought I'd make a temporary appearance.
I think you're and idiot if you really truly think that I and that other idiot Demon Hunter are the same guy. I thought you were kidding at first just to get my goat, since I have busted you up pretty good in some past debates, and called you out on your own lies on your bio page. But you're really serious?
Wow. This sort of makes me not want to bother listening to any of your ideas on alt accounts here. Since you obviously are obsessed with them and your ideas are groundless. And your whole nebulous gender deal just shows what many of us who are familiar with psychology of human nature know: liars think that ALL people are lying. This sir, is you to a "T".
As far as Andy? Who gives a shit? He's the Mod. The Owner and CEO. This whole fucking place is his baby. He can do what he wants. Your idea on why he gives Saintnow carte blanche does not even make sense, you moron. Andy gives us ALL free reign, and is obviously intent with keeping censorship to a bare minimum. This site is known for that across the entire internet debate community.
When I was a Mod on DDO, the rules we enforced there would have gotten Saintnow and Dadman and Fromwithin banned a long long time ago. And YOU would have been banned here, today, for THIS debate. Which we referred to as "Calling out a Mod" and it WAS a bannable offense.
So...OK Mr./Mrs/ He/She/Spain/Germany/kid/adult/liar/conspiracy theorist..whatever the fuck you are, if your life is THAT empty and unfulfilled that you really find solace in weeding out alt accounts on an open internet debate community, then have at it. We all need something to get us through the night, amigo.
Funny. Only you and SaintNow have had such a problem with me using a female character as my alt account and using the term Atfag and also calling me "monkey". Youre surely not him too? It would explain why you kept describing him as an expert in theology when he first came on the scene.
You seem to have an awareness of the sacredness of an individual as you express displeasure at "insults" or "banning". Does that not hint at God's love for each individual, and the likeness of Himself which He made you to be in His own image?
Could it be that Slap Shot has an awareness of the innate reality of the sacredness of our given gender, the same awareness of sacredness which God has for all of His creatures and all of His creation? You display disdain for the sacredness of your given gender when you switch back and forth pretending to be either/or, and that is obviously profane, insults intended only to hurt would be equally profane disdaining the sacredness of each individual soul.
Now before you fly off about my choice words which you call "insults", I choose my words carefully with a purpose in pointing out truth, I do not mean them for harm, there is healing power in the truth if we will accept it, allow it to cure our ills, and move forward into more truth. That's where I stand, and if you whine about me calling you a monkey when you ride my back or calling you an idiot when you won't quit bad mouthing God, you might as well talk to the wall and leave your graffiti on it because that wall is crumbling to dust and it's not affecting me.
I live and breath theology, to know God and speak of His love, His truth, His mercy, His justice, is the purpose of my life and maybe I'll learn to be good enough at it that I might persuade a person who has been a hard hearted and hard headed idotic fool to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ because God is good all of the time and His goodness leads people to repentance.
I am not an expert in theology as I am not structured in my discipline to outline in power point fashion the basic truths of the wisdom of God, but I do know who I am talking about when I speak of Him and I do know you can know Him personally as I do and you can know as I do that all things work together for good to those who love Him, no matter how hard and bad things may seem we can be thankful in all things and for all things knowing our destiny in Christ when He is in us. He's knocking at your door.
You seem to have an awareness of the sacredness of an individual as you express displeasure at "insults" or "banning". Does that not hint at God's love for each individual, and the likeness of Himself which He made you to be in His own image?
You keep making statements where you put the premise at the end of the sentence as if it were fact as if it somehow proves the start: "Does that not hint at God's love for each individual, and the likeness of Himself which He made you to be in His own image?"
Another example is:
"Does the fact that I have empathy not hint at the fact that I have two noses, and that everyone was originally born with two noses, one of which made humans more empathetic than the other, before it disappeared?"
You see the problem Im sure. It is very very silly. We were not born with two noses and we are not made in Gods image. We do however have empathy. How we acquired empathy is debatable.
Could it be that Slap Shot has an awareness of the innate reality of the sacredness of our given gender, the same awareness of sacredness which God has for all of His creatures and all of His creation? You display disdain for the sacredness of your given gender when you switch back and forth pretending to be either/or, and that is obviously profane, insults intended only to hurt would be equally profane disdaining the sacredness of each individual soul.
Well I am glad it offends you. It wouldnt for 99.99% of any country Ive ever lived in but always good to know what pushes you buttons, thanks.
I live and breath theology, to know God and speak of His love, His truth, His mercy, His justice, is the purpose of my life and maybe I'll learn to be good enough at it that I might persuade a person who has been a hard hearted and hard headed idotic fool to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ because God is good all of the time and His goodness leads people to repentance.
Difficult if you don't try and follow the Bible yourself. You lead people through modelling behaviour not by empty words (words which, in your case, are laden with irrationality and copied texts you dont really seem to understand).
I am not an expert in theology as I am not structured in my discipline to outline in power point fashion the basic truths of the wisdom of God, but I do know who I am talking about when I speak of Him and I do know you can know Him personally as I do and you can know as I do that all things work together for good to those who love Him, no matter how hard and bad things may seem we can be thankful in all things and for all things knowing our destiny in Christ when He is in us. He's knocking at your door.
You have made this clear before. You believe in God because you really really really really want him to exist and give you an easy way out. I am not so weak. You particularly weak being that you cant even follow scripture despite it being the easiest to follow of any.
Only a fool denies God is God who rules over them. Until you are blue in the face, you can be like a devil and deny that God rules over all of creation in righteousness.
Only a fool denies God is God who rules over them. Until you are blue in the face, you can be like a devil and deny that God rules over all of creation in righteousness.
Yeah! Youd think satan would read the Bible and know he gets defeated in the end wouldnt you? Maybe he is still working his way through it... those long lists of names take some time.
rules over all of creation in righteousness
Except the devil. ooooopppps yet another Bible paradox :/ shit. sorry.
Jesus is knocking at your door. You can pretend to not hear Him knocking, you might even have learned to totally block out the sound and never notice, like a person who lives near the railroad tracks over time will never be woken by the sound of the train and the rumble of the land as it passes by. You keep on telling yourself that there is nothing in Christ for you to hear and respond to Him, and one day you will find yourself in the place where your desire is total reality of fire which burns against your sin the way your passions burn against God.
If I went to the doctor and told him that I heard Jesus knocking at my door, I'd probably be commited. Even if he were a Christian. Funny that isnt it? You see its because deep down even Christians know its a load of fantasy. The moment it becomes real, then it is insanity.
ou keep on telling yourself that there is nothing in Christ for you to hear and respond to Him, and one day you will find yourself in the place where your desire is total reality of fire which burns against your sin the way your passions burn against God.
And this is why so many people imagine "Jesus knocking". So they can live forever in a heroine overdose like bliss next to Christ. Rather than die be worm food. Enjoy your fantasy. Just dont take it too far or the men in white coats will come aknocking ;)
There is not a thing wrong with my espanol, vato. Es perfecto, por supuesto. But I guess that somebody who lives in Spain (cough cough bullshit) would be an expert, eh?
As far as "having a problem" with your androgyny, I really do not. Rather, as I stated previously, I just find it ironic and humorous of how, in life, people who suffer from a specific character flaw or detrimental life habit seem to always "project" same on others. Even when those other souls are completely bereft of said traits.
In layman's terms, that means bullshitters like to accuse others of being shitters too.
I dont live in Spain. I live in Germany. But I have lived in Spain long enough to find your Spanish cringe worthy. I do lie sometims youre right but I dont get a thrill from it as many people online seem to.
my German is far better than mi espanol. back when you had to take a foreign language as part of your master's program, I took German, and at that point I was already proficient but not fluent in it, as I am now. I thought since you "live" in Germany you might wish to converse in the native tongue since you don't like my spanish.
Reading your posts sometimes is actually pleasantly engaging, but then you blow it with profanities. People in this world who you would respect for their angel-like character and good works will not read you, you will exclude yourself from being appreciated by people who hold high standards of conduct and character. Sure, there a millions who will pay you for your writings as Dawkins has proven while sharpening his profanities and intensifying the heat of his hatred for Christianity so he becomes heat-treated hardened heart more and more as time goes on.......but by trying to add power to your speech with profanity instead of with reason, you lose the best of your audience.
Jesus is knocking at your door. You can pretend to not hear Him knocking, you might even have learned to totally block out the sound and never notice, like a person who lives near the railroad tracks over time will never be woken by the sound of the train and the rumble of the land as it passes by. You keep on telling yourself that there is nothing in Christ for you to hear and respond to Him, and one day you will find yourself in the place where your desire is total reality of fire which burns against your sin the way your passions burn against God.
I've seen that happen on other debate sites (especially For and Against). It doesn't feel the same on here, though. And I don't know Andy very well yet, but I doubt he has the free time to man multiple personas all day every day.
Think about the motivations behind having multiple avatars. You suggest one, drumming up website participation. But far more likely motives are a) being a jokester, b) stacking the debate deck by using multiples to push your agenda, or c) alter egoes. None of those extra motives sound much like Andy to me.
Come on now, no one could sound like me if they tried!
And Saintnow must be scitzofrenic, because he spent hours arguing with me and calling me a heretic, I forget, but he may have even sentenced me to Hell!
And I don't know who Andy is? and Slashot surprisingly knows his way around the Bible pretty well for being an atheist.
But I guess the combination of names you picked are the most amusing. Aside from Andy who I don't think I've run into, you couldn't have picked three more different profiles.
It's not fool proof, but you should be able to tell, with a little comparison, of what they say, how they say it, and if they say things to convince unnecessarily.
Like the profile "Strom" - I think that one may be an alter ego, probably Saintnow, because his/her writing reminds me of Saintnow, some.
Strom's posts are too methodical, and too textbook, and he/she says they're 19 years old then offers personal details out of left field just thrown in and inappropriate in the discussion, ex saying "headed back to college" and other statements that seem more meant to convince, then fitting in the conversation.
Strom seems to try too hard to define themselves as they want to be defined. 19 year old ferverent Christian, that has discussions like a 30 years old. They can be a fervent, well learned, mature Christian at age 19, but it's how they discuss their points that are suspicious.
The content of Storm's posts are not likely an age of 19. that discusses things the way they are discussed. I do not think Strom is a singular profile.
I don't think it's good to change profiles like that,
For one, it wastes other people's time, and two I like to know the personality I am talking to.
People should be honest in debate, the fact that we are anonymous, doesn't remove an expectation to have a personal standard of integrity.
As for me one profile is enough! And I take responsible for what I say, and if I decide to change a direction of an argument, I am purposefully directing it.
So I wouldn't have a good reason. Saintnow would have a perceivably good reason, because familiarity is difficult to overcome when your arguments are known through a pigeon hole, so being heard with any other points are difficult.
Re: Saintnow - I think the KJV discussion is proof, I will only use KJV when talking to him, because he is stuck on being majorly dense on that issue..
Sorry Saintnow, we will never agree on your view on Bible versions!
That along with everything I say because I'm a woman, that I should shut up about the things of God, And somehow him being a male means he has the truth, and God wouldn't show me anything that contradicts him as a male.
So yeah, witj a sensible argument like that, then I must be Saintnow!?!?
Here is an example conversation thread I had with Saintnow:
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Saintnow(3294) Disputed 1 point
God did not reveal to you multiple versions of His word, nor did He reveal to you an indefinite definition of the word "day". Those things are contrary to God's word and you are deceived by lying spirits, it's not the Holy Spirit making you say things contrary to His Word.
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KNHav(672) Disputed 1 point
This is an argument of idiots.
foolishness is bound in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction will drive it out.
I hope the Father disciplines you and removes you foolish thoughts.
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KNHav(672) Disputed 1 point
God is Good, I trust Him. His Word is written in my heart and in my mouth. I have no need for man to teach me anything, because He leads me to All truth. So when I see His fruit, and I hear His Voice, then I will follow the Word of the Lord in those I hear Him through.
I haven't heard Him once through you to me in our discussions, and I know He has spoken many times to you through me.
The things you are stuck on are detestable in the site of God, Don't harden your heart to His reproof. For if you are a son He loves you, and who He loves He disciplines.
I don't know if it's you or your church. Bad company currupts good morals. And you are filled with some bad stuff you need to get before Him and follow the Lamb wherever He goes!
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He commanded His word be written and kept forever for all generations, He promised to keep it preserved Himself, and He guided it's translation into English keeping it exactly the way He wanted it for the English speaking world in the King James Bible.
All versions which came after the King James Bible are following the work of Wescott and Hort, they are not the word of God, they do not contain or represent the word of God.
The Holy Spirit does not lead except in complete compliance with the written word of God. The Holy Spirit does not contradict the word. When you insist there are many versions of the Bible, and they all contradict each other, they are either all wrong and none of them are the word of God and you make it up as you go along using the excuse that the Holy Spirit is leading you so you set yourself above the written Word. There is only one English Bible, it's the word of God. You either have the word of God or you don't. Why do I have to keep repeating myself? Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?
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There is no Word of the Lord from you about the Versions of the Bible. This is a teaching of man not of God and for some reason you have eaten it's fruitless, trodden under foot unsaltiness, and it's covering your light with a cloud.
There is absolutely no way that your Word is from God on the matter, and it is a Doctrine of demons.
Where demons are there is confusion and divisions.
All authority is under God, even Ceasor and Pontius Pilate, and Herod, and Pharoah obeyed Him.
GOD WATCHES OVER HIS WORD TO PERFORM IT!
So if you believe it's the Word of God than believe He is the keeper of His Word.
You give me words of men, I give you the Word of the Lord.
So why would I care for the words of men?
I hear the Lord, in any and every version I see. So when God stops talking to me in NASV, then I'll ask Him what He wants me to do.
Until then, I don't want to hear another word of man on this ridiculous doctrine thought up in the mind of men who do not know God, and His true power over keeping His own Word.
Ok, let's forget the fact that you are a woman putting yourself is a teaching position trying to do a man's job in the word of God.
Your doctrines are heretical on some important points including the preservation of scripture.
God did not reveal to you multiple versions of His word, nor did He reveal to you an indefinite definition of the word "day". Those things are contrary to God's word and you are deceived by lying spirits, it's not the Holy Spirit making you say things contrary to His Word, it is not the Holy Spirit giving you versions of God's word which contradict each other. They are all wrong or one is right, let God be true and every man (of which woman is part) a liar.
You don't need any version of anything claiming to be the Bible at all if as you claim you have God's word in your heart. How do you know it's the Spirit leading when you can't assert what He says in His word? Multiple Bible versions give multiple meanings and you are NOT the Holy Spirit to give the correct commentary on God's Word.
As for Deborah, she shamed the man who was supposed to be the leader in that battle by telling him it would be known that a woman led. It was a shame for the man who was supposed to believe God and lead that battle to victory. You are no Deborah, sister, not a prophet and not qualified to be a Bible teacher over women let alone over a man like me as you teach heresies.
. God's strategies for preservation
The Bible has much to say on the extent and mode of it's own preservation. The following brief outline provides a clear overview of three important aspects of preservation.
GOD'S REVELATION HAS BEEN PRESERVED FOR ALL TIME.
1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God which liveth and abideth forever."
Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation forever."
Ps. 111:7-8 "The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness."
Is. 40:8 "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."
Ps. 117:2 "... the truth of the Lord endureth for ever. Praise ye the Lord."
Ps. 119:152 "Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever."
Ps 119:160 "Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."
Just as the doctrine of inspiration is considered to be foundational to our understanding of the Bible, so should be the doctrine of preservation. They are inextricably linked. An inspired Bible that was not preserved would be little more than a tainted book of history and moral lessons. Indeed, this is exactly what the Bible represents in the minds of the men in our day. The Bible's authority is only as great as our confidence in its reliability. A Bible which was delivered to us inspired, and then was allowed to leaven with the accumulated errors of thousands of years, would hardly point to an all-powerful, all-wise Creator. It would be difficult to entrust our salvation in Jesus Christ to the very same God who could not keep His word. In fact, if God's word has not been perfectly preserved as He has told us, how can we be certain about the security of our salvation? Thankfully, we don't need to concern ourselves with such things, because just as God promised us that no one could "pluck" His believers out of His hand, He promised that He would keep His words pure forever.
What you fail to realize is why it was a shame for a man not to lead! Adam didn't, God didn't tell Eve to wrestle the ground, but Adam He gave him Thorns and Thistles. ADAM COULDN'T GET 1/2 OF A CHAPTER RIGHT, LET ALONE A WHOLE BOOK WRITTEN IN OLD ENGLISH!
It was shameful for Adam to not care for Eve and give himself up for her, like Christ did for His Bride! Instead Adam let her take the fall without trying to teach what God REALLY said. Then the ultimate he blamed her!
Isn't that part for the course, ADAM!
The reason God raises up women is because men like you lack understanding because of pride, and understanding.
Here you go Saintnow, ready for it?
GENESIS 3
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’”
4 The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! 5 For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.
Eve never said "Adam didn't give me good advice to keep me from being deceived". She knew she was breaking the commandment when she ate of that fruit but she was deceived into thinking it was good to disobey God, and she blamed nobody but the devil for her deception and God did not buy her excuse and punished her for her disobedience.
Eve blamed the devil and you are tying to blame Adam? God punished Eve according to her sin, Adam according to his (which was eating the fruit he was commanded not to eat, that is all he was punished for) and the devil according to his sin. Nobody gets off by trying to blame somebody else for their actions, and you are trying to blame Adam for your hysteria? Give me a break.
The only way Adam can be blamed for your hysteria is in that he sinned and fell. He should have just let the woman die and God would have gave him a new wife from another rib and been more careful to keep her from being deceived. THEN you would not be a sinner as all people from the time of Adam and Eve would still be alive and you would be one of them now. Use your noggin............
but then again, I suppose that even with a whole world full of people descended from Adam if Adam had never sinned and God gave Adam a new wife after Eve paid her dues of disobedience in death, sooner or later the devil would have found somebody, probably a woman, dumb enough to let themselves be deceived into thinking it was good to eat the forbidden fruit.
The whole Book has ONE main thread throughout God's Word!
Know my Word, and Shepherd my people, so none are lost!
Why is Judgment starting at the House of God?
Isnt it because the shepherds who God left to lead have watered down, and let God's Word be watered down so the congregation is being devoured by demons?
God is judging everyone who is given charge of sheep 1st, and the harshest! His judgment is coming to the men wbo say they lead sheep 1st, over these heathen!!!
Adam didn't lead? You are trying to blame Adam for Eve allowing herself to be deceived? Adam could have let her die and God would have made a new woman for him. THAT would have been leadership. Adam followed the woman in her sin knowing what he was doing.......apparently out of love willing to die with her......forcing God's redemption through the blood of His Son as the only means of preserving His creation and purging it of evil while upholding justice.
God made man in His own image, and then rested. It wasn't long after God made woman that nobody ever rested again. Why don't you try piping down some?
Any of you lost and headed for "Hell" people want to let Saintnow know what the Word of the Lord says?
Because he is in the playpen of the lost, not growing enough to ever get out! But I think even the lost can see better in this story than him!
Anyone care to tell Saintnow, who God gave the command to?
Genesis 3
15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. 16 The Lord God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”
18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.” 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22 The Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. 23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
25 And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.
Any of you heathen headed for Hell people want to help Saintnow read God's Word? I put the chapter below for you, if you want to answer.
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Where was Adam when Eve was decieved and ate?
Did Adam object and try to lead Eve with Truth against the Serpents deception?
When Eve repeated the Word back, she changed it a little, did Adam the big strong man leader correct her words and steer her from listening to deceptions?
Did Adam correct Eve, and keep her from falling?
Did Adam choose to follow instead of lead?
Did Adam really have any good excuse when He blamed God saying it was the woman YOU GAVE me?
And did Adam have any defense for blaming Eve?
Which one did God hold 1st accountable the man He had commanded, OR, the woman that was given God's Word through the direction of the man?
Do you think this story is more about how stupid and easily decieved women are? OR, is it more likely a warning to those who teach and lead?
(FYI - this story, has a lot of content, there are so many precepts and prophesies in just this chapter!)
Genesis 3
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” 2 The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;
3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’”
4 The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die!
5 For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and
made themselves loin coverings.
8 They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.
9 Then the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?” 10 He said, “I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.” 11 And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
You don't have God's word if He did not put it in writing. You are not the voice of God, His word is His voice. You are hearing things contrary to the word of God from voices outside of His word and you are confused on some doctrines and can't even see it because of your pride.
What preservation is not
Those who advocate publishing new Bibles based on the latest new academic theories or archaeological finds have a peculiar view of the Biblical doctrine of preservation. The assumption appears to be that God's words have been preserved somewhere in the morass of Greek and Hebrew manuscripts, and that the "science" of textual criticism is necessary to locate it. It is almost as if God needs help! There is nothing wrong with Bible honoring scholars combing through ancients manuscripts, but ought not their studies be guided with the understanding that God has promised to preserve His words to ALL generations? Is it possible that some of these scholars have forgotten God's promises, and have become a little too enamored with their great learning? It is these very same scholars to whom we are entrusting the latest Bible versions.
Unfortunately, since the waning hours of the nineteenth century there have been a growing number of academics who favor the latest "advance" in Biblical scholarship, commonly known as the Critical Text. The Critical Texts puts a great deal of weight on manuscripts which are Alexandrian in origin. Chief of these are the so-called Vaticanus and Sinaiticus texts. These two texts are held to be extremely trustworthy because of their great antiquity. However, without even considering the content and quality of these manuscripts, the Bible-believer who accepts the "generational" aspect of preservation should immediately be wary. What does the Bible have to say about its own preservation? Let's revisit a verse referenced earlier:
"As for me this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not pass out of the thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed saith the Lord, from henceforth and forever." (Isaiah 59:21)
In this light, it is hard to understand why God would hide his word for hundreds of years in an out-of-the-way monastery, or in the library of the Vatican. Why would God, who promised to preserve His word, hide it away for roughly 1500 hundred years? Why would the Lord use the library of the apostate Roman Catholic Church, responsible for the slaughter of millions of His saints, to preserve his word? Does this seem consistent with God's own stated methods of preservation? Many very learned men will claim that God chose to preserve His words in precisely the manner outlined above. Their claim appears to be that God intentionally hid His words for hundreds of years in the "sands of Egypt." This seems inconsistent with His promises elsewhere in His word. In the book of Deuteronomy, God promised not to hide his words from the nation of Israel so that they would be able to carry out his commandments. He promised them that they would have access to His word:
"For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it." (Deuteronomy 30:11-14)
The devil gave Eve a version of God's Word which sounded pretty good, she felt God was leading her to higher knowledge by trying to deny her of that knowledge.....and you think you have special insight on the word "day" which is an indefinite amount of time changeable to suit your preferences. Your teaching error and heresy as you have been deceived into thinking you are more than what you really are. You are not the voice of God to give multiple versions of His word and that is what you are doing....and teaching other to believe in similar self-generated false intellectual superiority by claiming to have God's word written in your heart so your feelings and ideas on it are more important that what God's word clearly says....and it clearly says it will be perfectly preserved for all generations, unchanged and unchangeable, and you are trying to tell the world that you can change the written Word because you have the real word written spiritually in your heart.
You think you have all this special insight and revelation and act like you are something special above what you really are. It's pride, plain and simple, and I poke at your gender simply because I know it bugs you. If you were not operating in pride my comments relating to your gender would not bug you. I'm poking at your pride, sister.....and you are trying to justify yourself.
Adam THE MAN recieved the Word, He gave it to Eve!
And Adam was standing right there, when the serpent decieved her. Why do you think God raises up women like Deborah?
Because when men are dense they are layers of rock and gravel.
How can God use layers of rock and gravel?
Why do you think the church is a Bride?
You have so little understanding, you don't even know what was a curse and what wasn't in those chapters
Jeremiah 4:3
For thus says the Lord to the men of Judah and to Jerusalem, “Break up your fallow ground, And do not sow among thorns.
Hosea 10:12
Sow with a view to righteousness, Reap in accordance with kindness; Break up your fallow ground, For it is time to seek the Lord Until He comes to rain righteousness on you
If the Truth is being spoken I submit to the Truth in you, or the Truth in anyone who bears it!
What do you think the Body of Christ is supposed to look like?
Divided by menial thoughts of men who argue over a version of the Bible? Or who refuse to listen to the Truth from another, especially if they are a woman?
Really , like that man Deborah lead, and honor went to another woman for killing the captain and not to the man, you will be lead by women until you HEAR the WORD of the LORD!
Is it better to stand back and let God's Word be twisted, and someone I love fall into deception, then bury my whole deeper by blaming my loved one, when I was right there to correct it?
Or is better to be Eve who was decieved, as her man stood by and watched, then blamed her?
All I got to say, is Adam was lucky he was the only man or we wouldn't have been multiplying together!
This is interesting maybe you can offer some insight.
Light is advanced, I understand it little, but this is my understanding.
My take on immorality is Eternal Life.
What is Light?
Can it be in three time periods at the same time?
Is there a place in the speed of light where time stands still?
Is God known as Light?
Does He give Eternal Life?
Did anyone writing the Bible understand the speed of light, or was that a scientific realization of modern day?
Then how or why would light and eternal life and Omnipresence meaning every where at once and Omniscience, knowing all things past present and future, why do you think light and these characteristics of the person who IS Light would somehow appear together, as characteristics found in God, who is The Light?
Again did these ancient writers understand the science of Light?
"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." (Ps 138:2)
That God places supreme importance upon His written word is abundantly clear. The Lord has revealed this to man by His praise of His word, and by His condemnation of those who would tamper with it. The exaltation of God's word is a theme which runs throughout the Bible. In the 119th Psalm, God's servant, David, continually exalted the Scriptures. He wrote of his "delight" in His testimonies, and implored the Lord to teach him "the way of thy statutes." In the third chapter of 2 Thessalonians, the Bible reads: ".that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified." God's words are to be praised, and revered. The Lord highly esteems His word, elevating its importance even above that of His name. First, consider the following verse:
"If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses." (Deuteronomy 28:58-59)
God's name is glorious and fearful. The penalty for not fearing God's name makes it obvious that He does not take disrespect for His name lightly. In light of the value the LORD places on His name, consider the following:
"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." (Ps 138:2)
The Lord also informed us of His view of His word by giving us three grave warnings to those who would corrupt the Scriptures. God warned against adding to His word:
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:5-6)
Note that He also warned would-be correctors that they were not to subtract from His word.
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you." (Deuteronomy 4:2)
God gave us the words that He wanted us to have, and we dare not alter them. If we are to keep His commandments, we certainly need to know precisely what they are. Hence, the Lord provided ample warnings to us, so that we might not be tempted to change His words. Lest anyone be confused about the utter foolishness of tampering with the holy word of God, the Lord provided a fearsome final reminder in the last verses of His inspired word:
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Rev. 22:18-19)
How can anyone read the preceding without recognizing the immense importance the LORD has placed on His word? God promised to severely punish anyone who adds to His word. Worse, He promised to expunge those who would take away from His words, from the book of life! In this light, should we not highly value the Holy word of the living God?
"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." (Ps 138:2)
The Lord also informed us of His view of His word by giving us three grave warnings to those who would corrupt the Scriptures. God warned against adding to His word:
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:5-6)
Note that He also warned would-be correctors that they were not to subtract from His word.
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you." (Deuteronomy 4:2)
God gave us the words that He wanted us to have, and we dare not alter them. If we are to keep His commandments, we certainly need to know precisely what they are. Hence, the Lord provided ample warnings to us, so that we might not be tempted to change His words. Lest anyone be confused about the utter foolishness of tampering with the holy word of God, the Lord provided a fearsome final reminder in the last verses of His inspired word:
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Rev. 22:18-19)
The problem you Democrats have is you are more worried about alt accounts than you are the current events that affect all Americans in this country. Why don't you post a debate about how your Democratic party is destroying this country. Can you do that !
What else you got there Democrat anything of any substance or should we talk about alt accounts because that is all you Democrats are worried about on this site.
You got it right you Democrats are dumber than a box of rocks. How did you figure that one out ? Did alt accounts come into play for you to come to that conclusion
I just called you dumber than a box of rocks. If you say Democrats are dumber than a box of rocks you are admitting you are a Democrat. Thank you for admitting I was right.
I have several accounts, but only one real account which is this one. I have several testing accounts which I use to validate certain functionality...
The site does not pay for itself. I wish it did. I spend about $300/month just to keep it alive and operating. If there were more people, and more ad clicks, that would help. I am sure there are plenty of people who have multiple accounts. Maybe you do...? I do not have a method (with the exception of combing through all the IP addresses) to tell if there is a user who has multiple accounts.
Well, to ensure uninterrupted 24/7 access by us, Andy would indeed require a dedicated server. At DDO we had two of them and as I recall out fees were about $1500 a month. (BTW; in answer to your Q the other day about where DDO uses Java: well, where I used it for them was on our server. They also use it for applets in their instructional/educational videos section. Which I am not sure they still have.)
I looked into starting a website like this and the figures I was coming up with were around 1000 dollars to get started and I forget the monthly cost, I think it was also 1000...just the start up cost discouraged me. I'm not into throwing money out the window for fun.
I guess there are cheaper ways, difference is quality/format
