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Does General Equality Even Exist?

Is anything ever completely equal in this world? Or do stereotypes and beliefs just get in the way of determining this?

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Side Score: 9
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Side Score: 15
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social equality is a social state of affairs in which all people within a specific society or isolated group have the same status in a certain respects.At the very least ,social equality includes equal rights under law ,such as security ,voting rights ,freedom of speech and assembly, property rights, and equalacess to education, health education, health care and other social securities.It also includes equal opportunity and obligations,and also involves the whole.

Side: Yes
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Equality certainly exists, you just have to compare similar to similar.

For example, consider two male twins. They grow up in the same place, go to the same schools, eat the same food, etc...

As far as the 'male' trait is concerned, they are perfectly equal. You can't say one is stronger than the other because he's a male. The differences only come from different traits, such as different genes, different personal experiences, etc...

Therefore, total equality doesn't exist, but general equality does exist in comparable areas.

Side: yes
Niko(127) Disputed
2 points

Couldn't you say that two people are never raised the same, and that, due to every mind being unique, certain actions throughout each twin's lives separates one from the other? Everyone grows up doing different things and responds to the outcome differently. So, even though one does grow up with the same things as another doesn't mean that they react the same way, whether there is a small or large difference in how they come out of childhood.

I agree that total equality in fact does not exist. But what if the entire topic of equality is just an ideology to make sure humanity doesn't believe certain people should get extra privileges or rights?

Side: No
TruthAnalyst(48) Disputed
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My point is, it is the differences in the two people, the differences in the way they are raised, that cause them to be different. With two male twins, neither gains an advantage from being male.

Equality absolutely is an ideology, but it is an ideology that best fits society as a whole. It is possible for us to create equality where it otherwise wouldn't exists by agreeing to certain things.

You could argue that males are generally stronger than females, so if you have two equal candidates for an administrative assistant, one female and one male, you might prefer the male over the female. Rules of equality tell us that if the physical strength isn't really an issue, then it shouldn't be compared. Hence, we create equality that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Side: yes
2 points

No, because different races have different hereditary advantages that others do not and that effects other things. Somewhat like the gender argument that women and men have different advantages that the other doesn't.

Side: No
chatturgha(1630) Disputed
2 points

I agree, SB. Though this doesn't mean people aren't equal. Just because they're genetically better at certain things doesn't mean this doesn't even out across the board of humanity.

It's the same concept as 1 + 2 = 2 + 1. Just because the numbers are distributed differently doesn't mean both equations don't equal 3.

Side: yes
Assface(406) Disputed
3 points

You can't make a mathematical analogy to social equality using the equals sign. That's begging the question.

Side: No
beccachurch(4) Disputed
1 point

what heredities give different races advantages? if 3 people of 3 races are raised the exact same say way, in the same environment, are you saying one would be more sucessful simply because of his/her race? the same goes for men and women. there is no single advantage EVERY man has over EVERY women or vice versa. its a matter of nuture over nature

Side: yes
Niko(127) Disputed
1 point

But that's the thing. In the reality of the world today, even if three people of three different races were to be raised the exact same way, which is already a difficult feat to pull off, you cannot completely control how they think and react to certain things. People learn and receive everything differently.

Side: No
2 points

No, being completely equal would require exact DNA replicas, perfect regeneration of every feature a being owns, and the exact same brain patterns and thoughts.

Side: No
zombee(1024) Disputed
2 points

Is 'equal' really synonymous with 'identical' in this context?

Do you think that for two people to be regarded as equally important or worthy (by the law, by other people, whatever you choose to put here), they must necessarily be the same in all respects?

Side: yes
1 point

Not all men are created equal. Men are created better than some, and worse than others more. There are men to whom everything comes easily, and some who will struggle throughout life. Human life is not some sort of race or game in which each person should start from an identical mark; it is an attempt by each man to be as happy as possible.

Side: No
1 point

As in, in generally equal over groups of people, and not the oxymoron "general equality" which if generalized you'd need to assume there was inherent some inequality - or it would not need to be generalized. :p

Or whatever I'm trying to say.

Of course not.

Genetically for instance men and women have been bread for hundreds of thousands of years to meet different roles. Women are chosen for nurturing aspects from how they communicate to physical attributes better for child bearing, men for nearly the opposite, strength, confidence, killing things. Denying the differences doesn't bring humans closer to equality, it just ignores the inherent difference actually creating less equality.

That said however, no human based simply on any physical attribute is necessarily more or less capable of anything to a reasonable point (reasonable as in it is unreasonable for a man to bear children).

The way to improve equality is to recognize inequalities and to take steps to correct where possible, and to determine where correcting inequalities is ineffective and taking other steps to account, on both sides for this. Sticking to the men and women example, I don't want a bunch of mean bitches who can bench press as much as me and don't give a shit if I'm bleeding... er, unless it's some S&M;thing :p

On the same point, women don't really want guys who cry themself to sleep and chatter about their feelings all day long (no, they really don't, I know Cosmo and Operah say otherwise but they're wrong).

So basically, equal should not mean "the same" -- just equal as in opportunity, chance for a happy life, etc.

Side: No

Not at all. Most people put money before life. Some even have the nerve to kill just to obtain luxuries. If general equality was present then third world countries would have no problem being helped, but most people see it as such an inconvenience to help or donate any more to people in need. If it did exist then everyone would be able to have the opportunity to success but in most countries people cannot even grasp an opportunity because death and pestilence surrounds them and eventually suffocates them. It's a sad thing but that's how our world is. Absolute equality is virtually impossible.

Side: No