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Yes, God controls ( ) No God is Imaginary
Debate Score:182
Arguments:157
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Does God Have Any Influence on The World???

I have had long discussions with religious people about God but I have challenged their God to battles and none have had enough power to affect anything in our world. If God is real then what can God do??

Yes, God controls ( )

Side Score: 68
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No God is Imaginary

Side Score: 114

There are four sides to the way things are influenced:

Side 1: persuasion

Side 2: deception

Side 3: positioning

Side 4: collision

What do YOU think?

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

God has no influence over any of these things. People who believe there is a God have influence but without people following ancient texts there would be nothing of God.

Side: No God is Imaginary
1 point

God has no influence over any of these things. People who believe there is a God have influence but without people following ancient texts there would be nothing of God.

Interesting.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )

Of course God has a huge infuence in this world. Look at America since the lie of separation of church and state.

Our moral values nose dived since the hideous censorship of Christian expression in public even though no one is forced to participate.

It matters not if you deny the huge increase in broken homes or the huge numbers of people signing up for welfare, etc. These are consequences of separation and the bigoted insults from Atheists and the Liberal media over any mention of our Christian heritage.

The sexual revolution has filled the vacuum created when our Christian heritage was censored.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
2 points

I would say that there is no evidence that God has played any part in any of the things you have mentioned.

You speak of moral values declining by what do you gauge this. I have read the Bible and the morality seemed worse at that time then now. I look back at the Nazi era and see better morality now. I look back at the slavery here in the USA all perpetrated by good Christian folks and think the morality is better now. Please explain yourself!

You seriously are blaming the atheists for the broken homes and number of people on welfare. I'll bet you can't back that up with evidence because it is a lie. Christian marriages fail at a higher rate than atheist marriages. Most poor people that need help from the government are Christian also. Google it before you just spew out hateful lies

Side: No God is Imaginary
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

I could care less the evil things people do who call themselves Christians. Hitler, the nazi's, the KKK are not Christian. God says you will know a Christian by their love. Killing slaves is not love! Choosing to have an affair on your spouse is not love. Abandoning your children is not love.

All these people who you claim are Christian, are not choosing to live the Christian life. They are no different from Atheists or anyone else putting self over God.

I will repeat, the swollen welfare roles and broken homes are a result of people walking away from God. I could care less if they still claim to be Christian while they spit on everything God stands for.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
2 points

These all pertain to human beings and human beliefs and culture. None of this has to do with God himself actually doing anything.

Side: No God is Imaginary
1 point

Less violence, less poverty, no slavery, women's rights, etc. Seems like a pretty moral place to me. Clearly we have some work to do, mind you, but I'll take abortion over the systemic enslavement of human beings and the genocide of a native population. You know, things that happened during our "Christian heritage".

Side: No God is Imaginary
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
0 points

Everything you mentioned that has gotten better in this nation is a direct result of our Christian heritage. Bigots like you always try to say it was Christians who created the evils of slavery, etc.

Keep spewing the nonsense that those who did evil such as the KKK were actually Christians. God says you will know a Christian by their love!!!! Not by simply calling themselves Christians.

COMPLETE DECEPTION!

Side: Yes, God controls ( )

You are blind to history if you do not know that Christianity brought light to this once dark world.

Before Christ was born, our world was living in constant war. Christianity brought force the radical notion of loving our enemies and turning the other cheek.

America was born from our Christian heritage, a thirst for religious freedom, and has been the biggest force for peace on this planet.

Now along came the bigoted man who rebels from any notion of personal responsibility and moral values. His humanist God says we are all just animals living by our base instincts programmed from billions and billions and billions of years of random mutation creating our complex DNA.

It is the Godless man and war like religions teaching their followers to kill their enemies, that has done the most damage to this world.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
1 point

You are blind to history if you do not know that Christianity brought light to this once dark world.

That isn't an argument.

Before Christ was born, our world was living in constant war. Christianity brought force the radical notion of loving our enemies and turning the other cheek.

More people have died from wars after the birth of Christ than those who died before.

America was born from our Christian heritage, a thirst for religious freedom, and has been the biggest force for peace on this planet.

Actually, America was born from Post-Enlightenment Liberalism. That's why our Constitution is full of homages to the likes of Hume and Locke, and only one mention of God (and that's in the date).

Now along came the bigoted man who rebels from any notion of personal responsibility and moral values.

Almost nobody actually believes that. The thing is, because you are bigoted, you think that anyone who disagrees with you does believe that.

His humanist God says we are all just animals living by our base instincts programmed from billions and billions and billions of years of random mutation creating our complex DNA.

Again, almost nobody says that. We say that we are are animals (that's an objective fact, we belong to kingdom Animalia) and that we do have base instincts programmed, be it from evolution or creation (I won't call it intelligent because our design isn't all that intelligent for the most part). But leaving it there omits our omniscience and its importance.

It is the Godless man and war like religions teaching their followers to kill their enemies, that has done the most damage to this world.

The thing is, Christianity is one of those war like religions, both in teachings and in historic fact. There's nothing wrong with admitting that and recognizing it has, in most parts of the world, evolved (ha) beyond that. It lends your views, and Christianity, far more legitimacy then when you try to white-wash Christian history and essentially claim that the majority of Christians throughout European history simply weren't Christian at all.

Side: No God is Imaginary
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

Do you read what you write? Is the world currently at peace or are there wars going on currently? Much of the current hate in the world is religion based. Look at how Christians treat homosexuals and atheists. Look at how Muslims treat people of any other faith. So how many of those good Christians that moved to America took part in the extermination of the native Americans?? Look at what this great Christian nation has been known for, for the past 100 years. Military power, the ability and will to kill thousands of people better than any other country in the world. Were atheists the ones who nuked Japan? NO, they were good Christians. Let's have a little reality check, people with Gods no less violent.

Side: No God is Imaginary
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

Do you actually hear the lunacy of what you just say?

IT WAS THE CHRISTIANS WHO KILLED INDIANS!

IT WAS CHRISTIANS WHO NUKED JAPAN!

LOL, no it was our military that nuked Japan with the support of most Americans in a time of war (Atheists included) and our military that killed indians at a time of war. If an indian war tribe killed your family, I bet you would support fighting back.

Atheists killed Indians as well. THOSE EVIL ATHEISTS, RIGHT?

I'm through wasting words with a bigot.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

200 countries - there are 2.18 billion Christians of all ages around the world, representing nearly a third of the estimated 2010 global population of 6.9 billion. Christians are also geographically widespread – so far-flung, in fact, that no single continent or region can indisputably claim to be the center of global Christianity.

Most of the hate in the world today is Muslim Radicalized Islam

An interesting source of truth on the matter is Philip and Axelrod’s three-volume Encyclopedia of Wars, which chronicles some 1,763 wars that have been waged over the course of human history. Of those wars, the authors categorize 123 as being religious in nature,2 which is an astonishingly low 6.98% of all wars. However, when one subtracts out those waged in the name of Islam (66), the percentage is cut by more than half to 3.23%.Non-Religious Dictator Lives Lost

Joseph Stalin - 42,672,000

Mao Zedong - 37,828,000

Adolf Hitler - 20,946,000

Chiang Kai-shek - 10,214,000

Vladimir Lenin - 4,017,000

Hideki Tojo - 3,990,000

Pol Pot - 2,397,0003

Rummel says: “Almost 170 million men, women and children have been shot, beaten, tortured, knifed, burned, starved, frozen, crushed or worked to death; buried alive, drowned, hung, bombed or killed in any other of a myriad of ways governments have inflicted death on unarmed, helpless citizens and foreigners. The dead could conceivably be nearly 360 million people. It is though our species has been devastated by a modern Black Plague. And indeed it has, but a plague of Power, not germs.”4

The historical evidence is quite clear: Religion is not the #1 cause of war.

Supporting Evidence: War Can't Usually Be Blamed On Religion (carm.org)
Side: Yes, God controls ( )
1 point

To be honest I wish there was a third option on here ...because GOD created the earth for so many reasons he is not a one reason at a time GOD he does so many things at once .....he created this earth to know who does and does not love him .....people are like jelly doughnuts. ..when the pressure is on you see what's inside ...if your evil and under stress evil will ooze out if your good good will ooze out . . I can't help but giggle at how Christians and Satanists have similar rituals and dates and symbols. ..why one can't tell were the modern church ends and the Baal worship begins .....and people are so poorly educated they can't see the asshole shitting on them nothing the masses believe is real nothing for one Jesus is not his name he wasn't born in winter solstice he wasn't black or white....he was a rabbi his name is YASHUA....he was born in late summer early fall...best solar date is September 11th ....wow our enemies laughing about that and I don't mean the set up Muslims .....you are all under the great deception. ..even you Christians have no clue what the hell your saying the same lame hollow argument every time ....if anyone is interested I can summarize aliens Egypt creek gods and all the current events I can also tell you what will happen next ...but I refuse to write any more unless asked or challenged.....because most of you will not listen not read what I write or investigate anything not spoon fed to you from the media controlled by 6 CORPERATIONS ....and all six owned by the same players ....the players who want to kill 7billion of you and your all dancing to there song and not noticing the fires being set in the exits of the dance hall .....when will you wake up ....CHRISTIANS ...GOD said the great deception and if it were possible even the very elect would be fooled ...if you think you got it figured out research the word Easter and explain how that is any different then Moses coming down my Sinai seeing is real worship Baal as mithras. ....the Satanists laugh at you as every Easter Sunday you idiots worship ishtar the wife of baal. ...YASHUA died on Passover and rose on the festival of first fruits. ....on MONDAY YOU IDIOTS .....Easter only has one translation. ...ishtar. ..you don't even know spit about GOD and you think you can speak for him ....you all make me sick ......thousands of little kids sold as sex slaves in heriams over sees and how many of your churches have a service on that ....bet you had one on tithing to the fuckin building fund....with your Easter billboards and winter solstic celebration. ...I can lambast you all day but your my brethren ....unfortunately ...now watch you condem my words ...but I don'tworship idols ....or engage in mutated world church ....have no other gods before me .....not dnot cuss ...I sware because I'm as mad as Moses at you feeble Christians .....love thine enemy not condem....the first two commands and your dropping both .....depart from him he never knew you....repent and stop idol worship before you participate in a ritual RESEARCH it all the way ....NOW GO KNOW YOUR ROOTS BEFORE YOU TRY TO BLOSSOM

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
2 points

According to Revelation, God is omniscient. This means that he would not have had to create humanity in order to see what we would do.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

Your take on God is interesting, So do you believe that God is not omniscient? According to the Bible God knows the future so God already knows who loves him or doesn't love him. God doesn't need to allow the world to be in naturally occurring state of chaos. If a God existed that God should have created the world the way that it was meant to be instead of a disappointing mess that God was unable to fix even by killing almost living thing and all but 8 people. If you are to follow the supposed word of God. What convinces you to believe that a God exists?

Side: No God is Imaginary
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Free will is your choice, But God already knows the outcome. Like Judas, God knew he was the son of perdition. He knew of his betrayal.

He was chosen as a vessel of dishonor.

We are free to choose but God knows who our hearts become. And you can't choose good if your heart is evil.

And you can't choose evil if your heart is good.

Your choices follow the desires of your heart.

A good person can choose to do something wrong, and feels remorse, and that standard of concience and remorse makes a person freely choose, without compulsion, to make choices of good, and be remorseful when choosing something against his concience.

A bad person is not likely to choose to do something good, unless there is external motivation. And will only have remorse when there is loss or punishment, but NOT from internal conflict of conscious.

The concious and standard of right and wrong that separate good from evil. Not necessarily their choices.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

God did know what was going to happen up till the end, and he did it anyway. If there is a God, questioning it, to find a logical answer is as irrational as discussing in detail the household budget to a 4 year old. Its not exactly comprehensible, because of prospective and understanding we have would be limited.

God did know, the writings of the Apostles were clear, God knew that Judas would be the betrayer and for 30 coins, He new the Jews would reject Him (Jesus) And Jesus showed the same, Omniscience. He told Peter he (Peter) would also be crucified, and Jesus new Lazarus would be dead on His arrival. Jesus claimed there was 1 thing the Father God knew, but He did not know, and thats the day or hour of the end. See link.

When God created man, he gave them an image like his own. And free will set man apart from all animals.

The elemeant of complicated thought, and choice of will.

When God designed people He would 1 day fill His Heavens with, He wanted a people that chose Him. People who loved Him by choice.

So maybe this all seems like an odd game for God to play, but he knows our choices of will also. And he makes vessels of honor and also vessels of dishonor.

My thought is, God makes the choice of vessels of dishonor, because he already knows in advance their choice of will..

So even though we have free wiill of choice, going through life and making that "choice" is the way of Gods design because choice is only way to be children of the Father, there is purpose for the walk of life. And one reason for those purposes is a matter of distinction.

The comtrast between good and evil, and the contrast between the children of God and those who are not.

We chose the knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam and Eve ate from that tree, before then theybonly new God, and good.

There is no choice without the presence of evil. So evil must exist in order for free wiil to have the element of choice.

Here is a chapter that offers some explanation

http://biblehub.com/nasb77/romans/9.htm

Abraham’s descendants, -: “THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.” 8That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants. 9For this is a word of promise: “AT THIS TIME I WILL COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON.” 10And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; 11for though the twins were not yet born, and had not done anything good or bad, in order that God’s purpose according to His choice might stand, not because of works, but because of Him who calls, 12it was said to her, “THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.” 13Just as it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.”

14What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15For He says to Moses, “I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION.” 16So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH.” 18So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

19You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? 21Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use, and another for common use? 22What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23And He did so in order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles. 25As He says also in Hosea,

“I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, ‘MY PEOPLE,’

AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, ‘BELOVED.’”

26“AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, ‘YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,’

THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD.”

27And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED; 28FOR THE LORD WILL EXECUTE HIS WORD UPON THE EARTH, THOROUGHLY AND QUICKLY.” 29And just as Isaiah foretold,

“EXCEPT THE LORD OF SABAOTH HAD LEFT TO US A POSTERITY,

WE WOULD HAVE BECOME AS SODOM, AND WOULD HAVE RESEMBLED GOMORRAH.”

30What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith; 31but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33just as it is written,

“BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE,

AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”

Supporting Evidence: End Times Described By Jesus (biblehub.com)
Side: Yes, God controls ( )
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

God did know what was going to happen up till the end, and he did it anyway. If there is a God, questioning it, to find a logical answer is as irrational as discussing in detail the household budget to a 4 year old. Its not exactly comprehensible, because of prospective and understanding we have would be limited.

God did know, the writings of the Apostles were clear, God knew that Judas would be the betrayer and for 30 coins, He new the Jews would reject Him (Jesus) And Jesus showed the same, Omniscience. He told Peter he (Peter) would also be crucified, and Jesus new Lazarus would be dead on His arrival. Jesus claimed there was 1 thing the Father God knew, but He did not know, and thats the day or hour of the end. See link.

When God created man, he gave them an image like his own. And free will set man apart from all animals.

The elemeant of complicated thought, and choice of will.

When God designed people He would 1 day fill His Heavens with, He wanted a people that chose Him. People who loved Him by choice.

So maybe this all seems like an odd game for God to play, but he knows our choices of will also. And he makes vessels of honor and also vessels of dishonor.

My thought is, God makes the choice of vessels of dishonor, because he already knows in advance their choice of will..

So even though we have free wiill of choice, going through life and making that "choice" is the way of Gods design because choice is only way to be children of the Father, there is purpose for the walk of life. And one reason for those purposes is a matter of distinction.

The comtrast between good and evil, and the contrast between the children of God and those who are not.

We chose the knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam and Eve ate from that tree, before then theybonly new God, and good.

There is no choice without the presence of evil. So evil must exist in order for free wiil to have the element of choice.

Here is a chapter that offers some explanation

http://biblehub.com/nasb77/romans/9.htm

Abraham’s descendants, -: “THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.” 8That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants. 9For this is a word of promise: “AT THIS TIME I WILL COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON.” 10And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; 11for though the twins were not yet born, and had not done anything good or bad, in order that God’s purpose according to His choice might stand, not because of works, but because of Him who calls, 12it was said to her, “THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.” 13Just as it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.”

14What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15For He says to Moses, “I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION.” 16So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH.” 18So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

19You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? 21Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use, and another for common use? 22What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23And He did so in order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles. 25As He says also in Hosea,

“I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, ‘MY PEOPLE,’

AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, ‘BELOVED.’”

26“AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, ‘YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,’

THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD.”

27And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED; 28FOR THE LORD WILL EXECUTE HIS WORD UPON THE EARTH, THOROUGHLY AND QUICKLY.” 29And just as Isaiah foretold,

“EXCEPT THE LORD OF SABAOTH HAD LEFT TO US A POSTERITY,

WE WOULD HAVE BECOME AS SODOM, AND WOULD HAVE RESEMBLED GOMORRAH.”

30What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith; 31but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33just as it is written,

“BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE,

AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”

Supporting Evidence: End Times Described By Jesus (biblehub.com)
Side: Yes, God controls ( )
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

God created all things for one simple reason, and that is His own pleasure. He did not create this earth to know who does and does not love him, He created the Earth and all things including people for His own pleasure and nothing else.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. (Rev. 4:11)

Side: No God is Imaginary
1 point

God created this universe and the reason for the bad things is because the devil is testing your faith in him. He is making you stronger. And one day everything will be perfect.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

So why would God need make things wrong before making them perfect? If you want perfection and you know what the future holds for what you create then why would you create it wrong? In the religious texts God keeps doing the human things making wrong and trying to fix them. Which makes perfect sense if man created God and didn't truly understand how it would be done by a divine being.

Side: No God is Imaginary
1 point

Obviously God has influence on the world....look how He makes you angry so you can't stop obsessing over trying to make Him void.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

God has no influence over the world but the people who invented them have created a stir in the human population. I only point out to those who have been deceived by the creators of Gods that Gods cannot exist in the fashion that they were created.

Side: No God is Imaginary
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

If God has no influence on the world, why can't you stop talking about Him? Are you trying to get your own blood off your head and frustrated for not being able to wash it away?

For having no influence in your world, God sure is costing you a lot your time as you argue He is not there.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

So it's other people's fault that you can't ignore God? It seems to me that you are pretty weak minded.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
1 point

your question seems broken.

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you can't have evidence of a god because gods do not exist in the naturalistic world. that however does not mean you cannot see the results of his actions.

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If you have a glass of water and you can only see the water and the glass, if someone you cannot see stomps their foot, the water will move. all you can know is that the water was effected by a vibration. you cannot know that there was a sentient being behind that vibration. in that way, god effects the world in many unseen ways, and there would be no evidence to tie those interactions back to him.

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

what sort of things would you claim that Gods are responsible for influencing in the world? Why would it be impossible to tie these influences to Gods.

Side: No God is Imaginary
KayneOfNod(317) Disputed
1 point

if a god is all powerful then in essence could not all things be as a result of him?

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I'm tired so I may be thinking or speaking backwards, and if this point is too easily refuted I reserve the right to renege. but if he has the power to change all things and or effect them (As "god" the notion is omnipotent) then would not all things be capable to happen by his hand, and if all events could happen by his hand, they would be indistinguishable from events that did not?

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Side: Yes, God controls ( )
1 point

"""" but I have challenged their God to battles and none...........""""/////

Let me see how I can say this without hurting your feelings... Hmm, lets see................... Ok, let me put it this way. When a challenge is not accepted from a challenger, it is because A) The challenger is too powerful, or B) The challenger is insignificant.

I'll leave the rest up to you

Side: Yes, God controls ( )

YEP. GOD IS EASY TO PROVE. ATHEISTS JUST DON'T WANT THE PROOF. PROOF PROVIDED BELOW -

https://www.facebook.com/groups/568783893320275/

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
2 points

Well now, supposedly s/he made everything, watches everything, intercedes sometimes (but not always), and actively judges us. If all that is true then God's fingerprints are all over this crime scene. We are rife with misery and conflict, and the true believers suffer cancers and wars just like the non-believers. We're told to just believe and endure, because the Lord works in mysterious ways, but that answer is just a copout to say don't pay attention to any of God's bad events just the good ones.

Look, I'm not here to tell you there is no God or to reject what good religions does in this world. But I am here to tell you when you see a hurricane indiscriminately ravage a coastline with millions of people and you then say that's the hand of God punishing people for sins of society, that indeed that answer from you is sick. You are either defending a God who hurt good believers just the same as the bad or you are hiding behind ignorance. You are taking the Old Testament smite everyone God to be the same as the loving God of Jesus. And you know, maybe you're right. But that means you're worshiping an ogre.

A God who can influence the world needs to do a hell of a lot of a better job of influencing it than we have seen to date.

Side: No God is Imaginary
1 point

Every time a bus full of Church goers crashes or a Church is destroyed by lighting or a bad storm it's clear that God was not protecting his flock. I think you hit the nail on the head. Thank you for your comment.

Side: No God is Imaginary
jerbear(118) Disputed
1 point

If I may can I please offer you the real truth before you turn from HIM I'm sorry for all that has not went well for you but I can explain. ..please

Side: Yes, God controls ( )
2 points

I would take a slightly different stance from others on this discussion. The evidence that we currently have suggests that "God is Imaginary", however in the past two millennium, countries have been created, cultures and civilizations destroyed in the name of "God". The global politics and the current scenario of the world would have been completely different, if "God" didn't have any influence over the world.

But the above argument has a serious flaw, if something doesn't exist, how can it have any influence over the world? The answer is, it doesn't, but the people who believe in it's existence are present in large numbers, and like any group of ignorant people, they do have an influence on the world.

"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks"

- Christopher Hitchens

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Thank you For insight that I had over looked. So very true God in the minds of the believers has had a great deal of influence over the centuries on our world

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FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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You are blind to history if you do not know that Christianity brought light to this once dark world.

Before Christ was born, our world was living in constant war. Christianity brought force the radical notion of loving our enemies and turning the other cheek.

America was born from our Christian heritage, a thirst for religious freedom, and has been the biggest force for peace on this planet.

Now along came the bigoted man who rebels from any notion of personal responsibility and moral values. His humanist God says we are all just animals living by our base instincts programmed from billions and billions and billions of years of random mutation creating our complex DNA.

It is the Godless man and war like religions teaching their followers to kill their enemies, that has done the most damage to this world.

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You are blind to history if you do not know that Christianity brought light to this once dark world.

That isn't an argument.

Before Christ was born, our world was living in constant war. Christianity brought force the radical notion of loving our enemies and turning the other cheek.

More people have died from wars after the birth of Christ than those who died before.

America was born from our Christian heritage, a thirst for religious freedom, and has been the biggest force for peace on this planet.

Actually, America was born from Post-Enlightenment Liberalism. That's why our Constitution is full of homages to the likes of Hume and Locke, and only one mention of God (and that's in the date).

Now along came the bigoted man who rebels from any notion of personal responsibility and moral values.

Almost nobody actually believes that. The thing is, because you are bigoted, you think that anyone who disagrees with you does believe that.

His humanist God says we are all just animals living by our base instincts programmed from billions and billions and billions of years of random mutation creating our complex DNA.

Again, almost nobody says that. We say that we are are animals (that's an objective fact, we belong to kingdom Animalia) and that we do have base instincts programmed, be it from evolution or creation (I won't call it intelligent because our design isn't all that intelligent for the most part). But leaving it there omits our omniscience and its importance.

It is the Godless man and war like religions teaching their followers to kill their enemies, that has done the most damage to this world.

The thing is, Christianity is one of those war like religions, both in teachings and in historic fact. There's nothing wrong with admitting that and recognizing it has, in most parts of the world, evolved (ha) beyond that. It lends your views, and Christianity, far more legitimacy then when you try to white-wash Christian history and essentially claim that the majority of Christians throughout European history simply weren't Christian at all.

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AlofRI(3294) Disputed
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YOU, FromWithin, are "blind to history. Rarely has Christianity "turned the other cheek".

You are correct that America was "born with a thirst for religious freedom". The majority of those early settlers came "looking for religious freedom ... that not forced on them by the "in charge Christians" who levied a tax "for the church" on them, and threw them in "debtors prison" for non-paymrnt, even if they did not have enough to feed their family! Others came here because they did not believe in the particular church that was taxing them.....and in some cases "beheading them" as non-believers!. Yes, this was a "Christian Practice"! I think you could say that these Christians were "animals".

Fleeing religious persecution was the reason for coming here, and today we are locked in a battle with radical Christians to prevent a recurrence! (As the Constitution was written to prevent!)

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KNHav(1957) Clarified
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Can u explain countries created and destroyed by the name of God

Would the wofld be better or worse without God?

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If there is a God, then there are only two options: either God has created earth and totally been uninvolved what so ever, OR God is a God that likes to see suffering (or is indifferent to it). Since I'm not atheist, I really believe the first option - God is not mean, but simply left us to work it out all alone with no help except for possibly a few profits at certain points in history.

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Slavedevice(1393) Clarified
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CHRISTIANS ARE JUEVENILE. They act like the other major religions (except for maybe Judaism) has absolutely no pertinence what so ever. Religions that existed even before the Jews !

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Yes. The concept of several "gods" has an effect on many different people in the world, in many different ways. Most, with the exception of the Judean Christian God, and the Islamic God .... which is the same ... only the man generated rules differ....are peaceful.

MY "god" is angry right now, and "she" will make us pay! She is called "Mother Nature".

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jerbear(118) Disputed
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With all kindness I know your misled and your letting this world deceive you ...these people who call themselves Christians are devils in church pews ....this I can prove these people participate in satanic rituals right in church....they have no idea who GOD is or how amazing he is or how this world is was or will be

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I do not see how even the biggest believer in god can claim his influence is discernible to even the slightest degree.

By all appearances the world seems to be bereft of any divine influence whatsoever.

Rather, things seem to go along with what Richard Dawkins says...that the world is exactly as it should be were if governed by nothing but blind chance and purely natural processes and Dynamics of evolution. With no creator and no hint of one.

Or maybe there is a believer reading this who can kindly tell us how this is not the case?

Thanks.

I will be waiting.

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How true, our world has no divine justice people of all or no religious beliefs suffer the good and bad in life. there has not been any divine intervention in world politics. Nothing

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Thoughts for Today - 25 / 02 / 16

Please recognize that no great mental effort is required to understand the origination & continuance of God belief & Religiosity.

ALL stem from fears of the unknown by primitive people, largely ignorant of the facts of LIFE.

These early Beliefs are kept afloat by leaders who prey on the naivety of those people unable to exercise the common sense of reality -

& there seems to be plenty of them!

To any normal-thinking person, it’s been obvious for a very long time that ALL religions are pure HUMBUG - their variants causing trouble a-plenty across the globe.

Religious leaders just cannot be so thick as to believe in the existence of an un-contactable GOD! - - - A few pious words seem to be all that is needed for them to get through life without the soiling of hands. IMPOSTORS ALL!

High time Humanity woke up & dumped all of this ancient disabling claptrap - Gods are, quite definitely - surplus to requirements!

Could I please invite you to peruse 3 essays on this subject. They can be found at the address below - My view of Life, having sampled over 95 years of it - not without bother.

If one needs a ‘religion’ to tackle the problems of life, what’s wrong with plain & pure COMMON SENSE - the use of REASON & LOGIC - Nature’s way of guiding us to the very end. .

ALL of us MUST & DO use it - 24 / 7 / 52 weeks per year!

Natural evolution has produced the ethical values we use today,

& please, never forget that the often inspiring & lovely music generated by this God-belief is accompanied by lyrics - very appropriate to the tune - but ALL composed by Humans.

Surely a TRUE GOD does not need or want to be patronised so severely!

Would welcome a response to these observations -

Bill Davison - Tyne / Wear / England

www.absurdbelief.info

Positive Conclusions of a Nonagenarian!

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jerbear(118) Disputed
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You are mistaken I mean this in kindness ....please tell me how it is you come to believe these lies ....let me help you at least see the truth before you deny it ...

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shaash(434) Disputed
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Considering that you actually want to discuss it, I would love to argue with you. There is no proof of God. Your response?

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smilinbobs(590) Disputed
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what lies do you think I am being mislead by? If you wish to know how I know that no God exists. It all started about 25 years ago when I was a Christian raised young man and life was difficult for me, so I turned to God for help yet received nothing. I decided since I was Christian I should take the time and read the "Word Of God" to make sure that I was living the right way to please God. Reading the Bible made me realize that it was a text written by ancient men to have authority over other men and to explain what they had no explanation for. There was nothing of a divine nature sadly I searched for any truth to religion and I could not find any. I continue the search with no success

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There is sin, so no your N.E.D. does not... N.E.D. means non-existent deity.

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