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Yes: Pure Truth is Alive No: Truth is not Alive
Debate Score:67
Arguments:48
Total Votes:76
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 Yes: Pure Truth is Alive (21)
 
 No: Truth is not Alive (26)

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Does "God" equal "Living Truth?"

------ Points to consider

--------- Are there possibly an infinite numbers of Universes?

--------- Where did all of the matter come from?

--------- What is OUTSIDE the Universe, what is it expanding into?

--------- If matter can exist in higher dimensions, could human consciousness?

--------- Did a Living Truth create Live, or did it happen by chance?

--------- What is the foundation of the Universe made of.

Yes: Pure Truth is Alive

Side Score: 27
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No: Truth is not Alive

Side Score: 40
2 points

Just to get things rolling yes. Truth is alive. There is only Truth. Everything else is an illusion.

Side: Yes: Pure Truth is Alive
nummi(1435) Disputed
2 points

Just to get you rolling. You do not know what truth is, what the definition is. Neither seem you to know what life is, what being alive means and is. As to illusions... the only relevant illusion right here is your sanity.

Side: No: Truth is not Alive
LordChallen(184) Disputed
1 point

Wow, there you go. Is that an argument or just your expression for, "Wow dude, that is a really cool idea and I cannot think of anything to say that would dispute it so I will just attack you.

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I know the "definition" of truth, as it is defined in a dictionary. I know what "life" means as defined in a dictionary plus my own ideas of it. What being alive means. . . . I'm open on that one. Please, teach me.

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My sanity was never in dispute, nor have I ever claimed to be sane, nor do I now. Sanity is for normal people, without imagination.

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My list of actual claims:

---- Truth Happens

---- Everyone is exactly where God would be, if God were in their shoes.

---- Before God said, "Light there be Light," it was dark.

---- I am closer to truth with my admission of ignorance then you will ever be with your claim to know.

Side: Yes: Pure Truth is Alive
atypican(4874) Disputed
2 points

If there is only truth then there is no illusion. And we all know that's not true.

Side: No: Truth is not Alive
LordChallen(184) Disputed
1 point

Truth supports illusion. There can truth in illusion, such a lesson, fable, or parable used to convey an idea. Illusion can work with the truth. Even though I am largely an illusion, my can still work with principles of truth.

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But even with objects. For example: A Car. Even though we know what one is and how to drive one, is a car a "real cosmic object" or is it just a chunk of metal and rubber? What constitutes what is "actual?" It is actually a car, or it actually atoms, or it electrons and protons? What are electrons and protons? We humans call it a "car" but are we "authorized" to define what is actually is? If we are, then I call God by the Name of Living Truth as what is actual.

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The point I was trying to make: Nothing can happen that isn't truth. Now, I know I am being stupid, immature, retarded, idiotic, and stuff, but I have a logic here.

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If you build a rocket, how do you know if it will work? Because you have tested, measured, and retested things so many times that you can almost predict exactly what is going to happen when you light the engines. The reason that is it predictable is because everything follows the laws of truth, and you understand them enough to launch a rocket with them.

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Even though man didn't have rockets 15,000 years ago, the laws of truth that allows a rocket to launch were still true, and will be true even billions of years after humans have destroyed themselves.

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Hopefully, someday, we will travel between solar systems, maybe even between galaxies. If it is possible, those laws already exist. They have always existed and always will. Even if there is a galaxy to travel too, that laws that (might allow it) already exist.

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However, what is a rocket? It's made of all sort of high stuff, probably nothing in its natural form. If you take off the fuel tank? Is it still a rocket? What if you take out the engines? Is it still a rocket? Everything that seems "actual" is temporary. Nothing is permanent. Granted, a Sharpie claims to be permanent marker, but is it? Even if a Sharpies takes 20,000 years to decompose, it's still not permanent.

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We call things "actual" because of our "perspective." Just because a Sharpie might last longer then us, doesn't make it permanent. Even the Sun and Earth will eventually pass away. Yet, the laws that create and allow creation will never change.

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If you break down a rocket into it's components, you can have "parts of a rocket." If you melt the parts down into scrap, you have strange alloys. You could, with patience, separate the alloys into pure element. If we had the tech, we could break apart the molecules, and then for the final kick, split the atom. But is an atom "actual" or is it made up of smaller particles and truth? Sure enough, it is. Electrons, Protons, and Neutrons make atoms, following very specific rules, but atoms are a creation and not what "actually" is. And are protons and electrons the base units, or are things that make those items.

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My point is: Nothing is what it seems. What makes a thing what is seems, is the laws of truth follows to make it what is it.

Side: Yes: Pure Truth is Alive

NO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>;>>> GOD>3 letters LIVING TRUTH> 11 letters

Side: Yes: Pure Truth is Alive
4 points

something that doesn't exist, has no real evidence of existing, is imaginary and does not even attempt to derive itself from scientific, natural or physical law cannot represent any truth. it simply derives its self from nothing more than the thought processes of people thousands of years ago.

Side: No: Truth is not Alive
Assface(406) Disputed
1 point

If God "equals" truth, you have to throw out whatever definition of it you used to arrive at the conclusion that it "doesn't exist, has no real evidence of existing, is imaginary and does not even attempt to derive itself from scientific, natural or physical law." You can make arguments that for truth to be anything other than truth is incoherent or unnecessary, but you're kind of missing the point here.

Side: Yes: Pure Truth is Alive
Sokami(82) Disputed
1 point

seriously, i was thinking about clarifying your dispute argument up above, but you will have to clarify it, because your sentences are a bit sloppy and annoying to read and some parts of what you typed don't even make much sense. please fix this and then i can answer you with an appropriate response. this paragraph is not a counter argument mind you, i really want you to clarify exactly what you mean so i can figure it out and write a response in a most comprehensive and meaningful way.

after some thinking about what you typed, if i understand what you mean, i so far don't see anything that's really refuting any of the things i stated. all your countering me on is that you think i'm missing the point here. the point of the debate? because i perfectly understood everything the user wrote in his debate description and title, and i gave a response that doesn't contradict or get off track of what the debate is about in any way. and PLUS everything in the description were merely points to consider, not objectives to answer for the debate :).

Side: No: Truth is not Alive
LordChallen(184) Disputed
1 point

No, I'm not missing the point. I'm struggling ignorance. Not to put you down, for I am ignorant as anyone.

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Several times people have said, "There is no truth." This just confuses me.

a+b=c is true.

c-b=a

c-a=b

This kind of truth is real in thousands of different situations. It can apply to people, electrons, planets, atoms, numbers, electromagnet waves, mechanical waves, or what ever. You really cannot see this truth. It has no color, no taste, no smell, no shape, no sound, no mass, no nothing. Yet is real. It influences almost every object in existence. This simple equation allows every object in the universe to be broken down into a smaller object, leaving nothing as it seems. Everything thing in material, and things that are not, are product of this "truth." And even though it's just a concept to us, it is a "law" of perception. If we could see a hydrogen atom, it would be, a+b=c. 1 proton + 1 electron = 1 hydrogen atom. (That is the extent of my atomic knowledge.)

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My point: If I haven't beat it to death. Just because we can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't real. We can easily observer a+b=c in our life. But there are many places that we don't see it. Everything that happens is a product of the math.

Side: No: Truth is not Alive
LordChallen(184) Disputed
1 point

A man once said, "Imagination is more important then knowledge." I finally understand his point. Imagination is the power to create, while knowledge creates a "follower." People who know, follow. People who imagine, lead." However, not all imagining are created equal. Some imaginations how change the world, while others only soil the bathroom. However, imagining are real. They have real influence. Laws of truth must be met, but almost anything can be created. But sometimes, creation leaves toxic side effects. Least toxic side effects are just a product of truth. Some side effects can be lived with, others can't.

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Science begins with nothing, too. Only the truth existed before the Big Bang. But my explanation covers that, your's doesn't.

Side: Yes: Pure Truth is Alive
Sokami(82) Disputed
1 point

what i mean by imagination is by thought processes, particularly thought processes that don't involve any evidence of any sort, not from scientific, physical or natural law. you are very correct in suggesting that imagination is not created equal, some people come up with the most ludicrous or ridiculous and or illogical ideas from their imagination and or incorrect thought processes. however, i will make a paraphrase from another argument down below from myself, in the unlikely case that something alive did create the universe, then it would most likely be aliens who managed to harness enough power, which would be a HUGE amount of power, but not impossible for an advanced civilization to gather, and use it at a single point to create a rip in space to produce a dividing line and section off that space into what we know as the universe. in that explanation it would be easy to assume that all of the excess energy would be the stuff we know as matter, and dark matter, and of course matter would use a process known as accretion to create stars, galaxies and planets, and all other natural phenomena in the known universe.

if you want to see more of what i typed previously just look at my other argument down below

or how about this i will make a giant self quote just so that it can be included into this particular argument, if you read the other one don't mind this:

"the possibility of different people randomly creating religions is the most probable cause of why there are religions today, the least likely cause of religions existing is that they saw supernatural things happen, and even assuming that they did see weird things happen back in the day i could further suggest/argue that there could be something external happening such as aliens making people see things or other technological enhancements to the situation.

it is illogical to quickly jump to the idea that something living created the universe without any actual investigation or evidence. and even IF something living created the universe, for all we know it could be an extremely advanced culture of aliens that harnessed enough power to isolate a large corner of space to literally divide space up to create what we know as the universe.

the people(s) that created the idea of monotheism used no basis to argue that what they thought up is true and absolute. they used nothing from their surroundings, and certainly nothing that was discovered from their surroundings, thus natural, scientific and physical law. of course things from their surroundings might have influenced the idea to them that something external and all powerful must have created it, but that is called jumping to conclusions and uses no actual basis to support that particular conclusion."

Side: No: Truth is not Alive
dkforizzle(175) Disputed
1 point

Something that doesn't exist?

Sounds like an assumption with no argument.

Has no real evidence of existing?

I would say that since the idea of God is understood by every culture in the world and science cannot explain the reason or cause for the Universe, it is pretty logical to think that something created it and us.

Does not even attempt to derive itself from scientific, natural, or physical law?

The idea that God created the universe is reflective of the most fundamental law in the Universe; cause and effect. There wouldn't even be scientific or physical law without cause and effect.

Side: Yes: Pure Truth is Alive
Sokami(82) Disputed
1 point

the possibility of different people randomly creating religions is the most probable cause of why there are religions today, the least likely cause of religions existing is that they saw supernatural things happen, and even assuming that they did see weird things happen back in the day i could further suggest/argue that there could be something external happening such as aliens making people see things or other technological enhancements to the situation.

it is illogical to quickly jump to the idea that something living created the universe without any actual investigation or evidence. and even IF something living created the universe, for all we know it could be an extremely advanced culture of aliens that harnessed enough power to isolate a large corner of space to literally divide space up to create what we know as the universe.

the people(s) that created the idea of monotheism used no basis to argue that what they thought up is true and absolute. they used nothing from their surroundings, and certainly nothing that was discovered from their surroundings, thus natural, scientific and physical law. of course things from their surroundings might have influenced the idea to them that something external and all powerful must have created it, but that is called jumping to conclusions and uses no actual basis to support that particular conclusion.

Side: No: Truth is not Alive
3 points

Are there possibly an infinite numbers of Universes?

Yes.

Where did all of the matter come from?

I don't know, nobody does, there are multiple ideas, but nobody cares unless they're absolutely convinced.

What is OUTSIDE the Universe, what is it expanding into?

Outside the universe means nothing currently, as it literally means "everything". To ask what everything is expanding into is quite perplexing.

If matter can exist in higher dimensions, could human consciousness?

From here we move from genuine metaphysical curiosity to unfathomably vague pseudoscience.

Did a Living Truth create Live, or did it happen by chance?

By chance, I would say.

What is the foundation of the Universe made of.

Energy, I suppose.

There, I answered all the mysteries of the universe, time to collect my fucking internet cookie and go home.

Side: No: Truth is not Alive
ChuckHades(3198) Clarified
3 points

Nice, nice, downvote without a response, I like it, keep 'em coming.

Side: Yes: Pure Truth is Alive

Seriously, are you high. You are rambling a lot of incoheriant combinations of philosophical cliches from pop-culture. You can't just string together words and expect them to hold a deeper meaning.

Side: No: Truth is not Alive
LordChallen(184) Disputed
1 point

You can't just string together words and expect them to hold a deeper meaning.

I guess I shouldn't expect those swimming in the shallows understand what is deep.

Side: Yes: Pure Truth is Alive
1 point

You show a degree of pride in your "philosophical" questions that you defend so vigorously, so you should ask yourself if that pride if blinding you.

Side: No: Truth is not Alive
1 point

Umm, hey guys. If I tell David Cameron to stop whinging and shut the hell upon Twitter, I won't 'disappear' will I :P

Side: No: Truth is not Alive