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He (or it) does exist nonexistent
Debate Score:132
Arguments:117
Total Votes:140
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Does God (or a supreme being) exist?

The title speaks for itself.

He (or it) does exist

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nonexistent

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2 points

Yes I do exist.

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Intangible(4933) Clarified
2 points

lol

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Yes, the Bible is a tome of inerrant truth. All someone would have to do is to demonstrate a flaw in the Bible, but that has failed to occur.

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runderekrun(159) Disputed
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A flaw in the bible,don't you mean a flaw in the Hebrew scripts,as a bible is a book,translated by some redneck who thought he knew what he was doing.I was told at school that black is black,but you don't see black as your eye only lets in the left over colours that the object didn't absorb.A black object absorbs all colours of the light spectrum,so your eye gets no colour information so the brain must make a decision as to why the eye sees nothing,but we must invent something for the nothing,BLACK.Is GOD just a black for our brain,cause our eye sees nothing,but we need to give our "thoughts" a name for it,as it creates a thought,so it must be something,conciousness,that is why you get spiritually moved,as you are linking yourself with another conciousness,thinking similar things.If you are under 60 years old then you will see the biggest movement,EVER,(knowledge is power),and it takes power to KNOW,so once you know,you will find,what most humans have asked all along,WHY do Christians walk straight past poor people and turn a blind eye to it,I mean Jesus feed thousands,why,he didn't have to,but he wanted to,cause he knew that for man to survive,he must share what he has extra,and extra will come to him,when he is without.

You all want to fight,who is right,my own mother works tirelessly with the community,day in,day out,and her religious friend keeps saying,why do you do this,if you wre a Christian,it would gain you status in heaven,but you choose hard work.My mother says"it is only hard work,cause you expect a reward,so you wouldn't do it without a reward,that is why heaven is empty,and will never have a member",if GOD ever started this experiment,he left the stove and turned it off a long,long time ago,but please keep fighting as every person that conflicts with an opposite,than something must come from nothing,just as nothing will come from something,get it,now FUCK OFF????????

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-Lor(7) Disputed
1 point

Feel free to reply with proper grammar,and address only the claim I made. I don't have time to refute arguments to claims I never made.

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tomcruise55(17) Disputed
1 point

Lol King James and a group of Oxford educated doctors are "some rednecks"? hahaha

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2 points

I believe there's something, whether its a supreme being or force of nature I don't know and it can't be proven so that side of it is irrelevant, I just believe there is something more about life and the world than we can comprehend fully

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2 points

God exist because He created the universe with His words. He watches over us, protects us, loves us, and forgives us of our wrong doings, and brings miracles to all of us. For example, a man was fired from his job because he lacked experience of it, but he tried and tried again to find a new job because he still thinks that their is hope that someday he would find a job that is suitable for him. After 2 months of searching and is about to give up, he saw a help wanted sign in a convenient store and asked the owner of the store if he could work their. The owner tested him first by stacking food in a proper order which he did. The store owner gave the man a second test, he asked what is he good at, the man replied that he tried his best to be an engineer but failed, the only thing he could do besides engineering was selling good stuff with a good price when he was selling some fruits he planted in his yard after he was fired from his first job. The store owner told the man to impress a customer near the counter. The man went to the counter and impressed the customer by showing the customer's product was good and well. The store owner told him to come back to the store if the store owner called him on the phone. The man went home and waited for two weeks and after two weeks, the store owner called him on the phone and told the man he got the job. The man was filled with happiness and joy again once more and started working there. The lesson of this story is to never give up, just keep going until you finally seek your true dreams because God will guide you to your suitable dreams. Besides this story I said to you all, God can make many miracles. A father watching his son playing and winning a baseball game, and a mother attended and watching her two children graduate high school. Now that's is the beauty of God's miracles.

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William Lane Craig (PhD and Professor) had said that empty space is not nothing. A void (or empty space) is still space, even though empty. It is still a dimension. Now a dimensionless state is nothing, empty space is something. According to Scotus Dun’s (Oxford graduate and scholar) argument of causes and effects there has to be a cause for an effect. An endless amount of causes (like the universe always existing) is impossible. In ancient Greece there was once a god named “chaos”, which literally was nothing. But they treated it as a god (or a supreme being) because it led to the creation of the other gods. Now scientifically, the universe happened when “nothing” began to vibrate and created a void, and continued vibrating until a small microscopic particle called the Higgs Boson (aka “the God particle”or particle that gives everything mass) exploded and created the expansion of the universe which led to the creation of 9 dimensions. 8 spatial and 1 temporal. Which led to mass but technically did not create mass because mass is positive and gravity is negative. So the total amount of mass and gravity equals out to zero, so it still follows the law of conservation of mass. Keep in mind before the big bang, time (the temporal dimension), did not exist. And after the big bang height, width, and depth were created, as well as time, which were 4 of the said dimensions. So as the universe expanded it created atoms which eventually fused and created suns and planets. One of which planet was earth. And the first life forms arose (cyanobacteria); which later led to humans. Now genetically all humans can be traced back to one male and one female, and in the book of Genesis the first humans were one male (Adam) and one female (eve). And the Dead Sea scrolls do not rule out evolution. In fact they support it. In the book of Enoch it describes Giant’s that walked the earth before and alongside humans, which supports fossil evidence of human evolution. Now explain to me how 5,000 years before genetic testing people knew that humanity started with one male and one female. Also describe how the Greeks would know about the vibration that led to the creation of the universe, even naming it, before modern science. And finally how can you explain how “nothing” can vibrate and lead to the something before TIME even existed? There scientifically had to have been someone to create that effect, because an effect can’t happen without a cause, it’s scientifically impossible. Plus the laws such as conservation of mass and physics are organized, and the Universe is spontaneous, and scientifically only intelligent life can set laws. Like Isaac Newton and John Scotus Duns both said that no cause can happen without an effect, and “every action has an equal and opposite reaction” sounds familiar doesn't it? Because without a cause there can be no effect, and there can be no endless amount of causes. How can you say that the universe created itself? Not only does that go against John Scotus Duns argument, Isaac Newton’s laws of motion, but even Einstein ruled out Atheism. Something will not and has not ever been created from nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial Eve

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal Adam

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/duns-scotus/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BTT62YJCI8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe

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AveSatanas(4415) Disputed
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William Lane Craig (PhD and Professor) had said that empty space is not nothing.

as soon as you quote WLC you lose. He is NOT a professor and has a phD in philosophy which is completely irrelavant to the topic discussed here which is astrophysics and the like. He is a creationist liar and shit peddler like the rest of him and nothing he says should be taken seriously. I didnt even read the rest of what you wrote after this sentance because ive heard the schpiel he does many times before and all i can say is look this stuff up yourself and dont take it from the mouth of a well known deceitful lunatic.

Side: nonexistent

He read his first book called "don't question shit",by empty nothing....................

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tomcruise55(17) Disputed
1 point

Ummmm maybe you need to look him up because he is a professor. lol.

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tomcruise55(17) Disputed
1 point

Unless you have anyway to dispute and give reasons why "the shit he says shouldn't be taken seriously" then he is right by process of deductive reasoning. And you should probably do it in proper English.

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Yes God does exist.

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Whatever being is most supreme would be the supreme being. A non-existent being wouldn't be very supreme.

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where else would the world come form> there has to be a cause 4 everything!

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If beings are either superior or inferior to one another, than it follows that within any group of beings there is a supreme being.

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Yeah, God exists... I suppose I should give some type of argument so that someone can dispute my claim... lol

Ummmm... Lets try this one... Ummm god is everything.... Everything exists.... God exists... lol

GO!

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To the believer, He does exist. No one can tell him differently.

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yes she a goddess exists f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f ff f f f f f f f f ff f f ff f ff f f ff f f f f ff

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I have been presented quite a few god claims, but never have any of them been demonstrated to be true. Many of the natural occurrences that have been attributed to gods in the past, like lightning and rainbows, have been explained by science. Those people had faith in their gods like people do today, I see no reason to believe any of them.

Side: nonexistent
kryptonkid(1) Disputed
2 points

People in the past truly believed that it was IMPOSSIBLE to fly, speaking to somebody halfway across the world(Texting, AIM)), seeing someone halfway across the world(Facetime, Skype), and exploring and landing on other planets. Just because science has not discovered or proved God does not mean he does not exist. You remind me of one of those "People of the Past" who deny everything until VOILA! it's proven.

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Stryker(849) Disputed
1 point

Until we have a evidence that something exists, there is no reason to assume that thing exists.

Side: nonexistent
tomcruise55(17) Disputed
1 point

Except for the fact that that was before modern science. And now even modern scientists have overwhelming proof and deductive arguments for his (or it's) existence.

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Stryker(849) Disputed
1 point

I would ask you for some, but have already heard all of Craig's arguments, so there really is no point.

Side: nonexistent
1 point

Demonstrate for us. Explain how evidence says a god does not exist. Do this logically as well with a convincing implication of knowledge that can actually be deemed as something that makes a deity nearly impossible to exist.

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Stryker(849) Disputed
1 point

Demonstrate for me. Explain how evidence says Thought-Gnomes don't exist.

Stop being silly.

Side: nonexistent
0 points

Well we are in the physical dimension but what about the other dimensions? Laws of physics don't apply there so how can you say for them to be true? How do you know the people claiming to know god are even perceiving the 4th dimension? How do you know they aren't perceiving the 5th or 6th or even 10th dimension which is where "God" is claimed to reside? Just because you perceive them in the physical doesn't mean that is where they are at

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tomcruise55(17) Disputed
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How can you claim that intelligent design such as laws (law of conservation of mass, laws of motion etc.) are NOT created by anything higher. If the universe really was spontaneous and random there should be no order.

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Stryker(849) Disputed
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I hear that is where Thought-Gnomes live as well. :/

Side: nonexistent
2 points

No God theory has yet to provide any proof or even decent evidence that it MIGHT exist, therfore i have no reason to believe one exists. And science seems to have no implications that one exists either. The universe can be explained entirely by natural processes from the beginning to the present and through the future. No god required

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tomcruise55(17) Disputed
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No atheist theory has proven that he doesn't. At least we have viable evidence and reasoning to know he (or it) exists.

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AveSatanas(4415) Disputed
2 points

No atheist theory has proven that he doesn't

There are no atheist theories. Science and logic are the words i think youre looking for. And again, the burden of proof is on YOU theists not us. We are the default position. The DISbelief position. And we dont need proof or evidence of any kind to be here.

At least we have viable evidence and reasoning to know he (or it) exists.

Please, go on. I assure you you dont have any evidence. If you did, faith wouldnt be necessary.

Side: nonexistent
2 points

It's not so much that I don't believe that there is a Supreme creator, but I often find myself not being able to comprehend some aspects of the natural world that have nothing to do with religion, like dinosaurs. I don't think they are ever mentioned in the Bible, yet there is tangible proof that they were once alive. Furthermore, I find it difficult to believe that an entire world can be created in only seven days, by that I mean that there was no evolution necessary (the story states that after God created Adam (and his oasis) He told Adam to name all the animals found present in the paradise (pardon me if this is wrong). Yet, science has provided us with undeniable proof that organisms evolved by adapting to their changing environments.

I also don't agree with the favoritism towards men that a plethora of religions have. Wouldn't a Supreme being create them equal if BOTH are needed for the continuity of their species?

Side: nonexistent
2 points

No, scientists can't even come up with proof that he exists. Its basically no proof, you just believe it for some reason.

Side: nonexistent

On you Stryker,I hope they rot in heaven,oh yeah they will,as we all rot when we die HERE,on earth which is( heaven)

Side: nonexistent
1 point

What does "On you Stryker" mean?

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runderekrun(159) Clarified
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It's Aussie,for good ON YOU,Stryker.....................................

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tomcruise55(17) Disputed
1 point

You really make no sense. lol. You write all this mis-grammared stuff and then expect us to understand your stupidity. You're an insult to atheists everywhere.

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runderekrun(159) Disputed
1 point

Thank you,the point I try to make everyday,and Tom cruise takes it up the ass while being brainwashed,what's his shit smell like.

Side: nonexistent

If there is no evidence for sonething the chances are it doesn't exist.

Side: nonexistent
tomcruise55(17) Disputed
1 point

There's no evidence for atheism, that means that's inaccurate to then?

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It's not so much that I don't believe that there is a Supreme creator, but I often find myself not being able to comprehend some aspects of the natural world that have nothing to do with religion, like dinosaurs. I don't think they are ever mentioned in the Bible, yet there is tangible proof that they were once alive. Furthermore, I find it difficult to believe that an entire world can be created in only seven days, by that I mean that there was no evolution necessary (the story states that after God created Adam (and his oasis) He told Adam to name all the animals found present in the paradise (pardon me if this is wrong). Yet, science has provided us with undeniable proof that organisms evolved by adapting to their changing environments.

I also don't agree with the favoritism towards men that a plethora of religions have. Wouldn't a Supreme being create them equal if BOTH are needed for the continuity of their species?

Side: nonexistent
1 point

The problem with the First Cause argument is the claim of "creation". The idea that something comes from nothing, or the nature of non-existence is incapable of being observed or scientifically studied. Theists misrepresent the concept of creation by suggesting that in the process, something is brought into existence (i.e. a watch is created by a watchmaker) but in reality the watch was merely fashioned from existing material that were already present. There was no actual creation in the manner in which theists imply something came into existence from nothing.

Like many arguments of this nature, theists make a special pleading to exempt God from their argument. If everything that exists must have a cause, who created God? Variations of this argument employ the first law of thermodynamics to imply that God has always existed because the first law of thermodynamics says matter can neither be created nor destroyed. Nice notion, but it still doesn't prove there's a God. It merely suggests there's more for us to understand, and every day scientists get closer to addressing these issues without referencing God or anything supernatural.

If there's a recurring theme in any of these arguments, it's that theists pick and choose which tenets of science they want to embrace (the ones that help prove their claims) and ignore all the rest as if they don't exist. These theories are part of a complex interconnected system. It's intellectually dishonest and unethical to ignore evidence that counters your supernatural claims. The First Cause Argument ignores huge amounts of contradictory evidence, as do many of the arguments herein.

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I wouldn't call it a being but there has to be a supreme force of some sorts that is in everything

Side: nonexistent

Conciousness.Find it............................................................

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