Does God really exists?
People have so much faith in god but lets face the reality has anyone seen him ? But the trillions of temples for worship have to mean something afterall they can't be a hoax!Well this is a compilcated mystery if god exists or not? tell us what do u feel about this??
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The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today. 1.The Earth its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life. 2.Water colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life. It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees. Ninety seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water. 3.The eye can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages simultaneously. Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain the start of living organisms from nonliving matter. 4.The universe had a start what caused it? Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself. The universe has not always existed. It had a start what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter. Side: FOR
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The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today. Complexity does not imply design. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life. There are approximately 3^22 planets in the observable universe. This leaves us with three possible outcomes. 1. God arbitrarily created that many planets with no life. 2. These planets have life, but God chose not to tell us, for no reason. 3. God didn't create these planets. Which is most likely? .Water colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life. It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees. Ninety seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water. That's very cute, but is explained completely naturally. The eye can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages simultaneously. The human eye is a pathetic, backwards, upside down piece of crap that is dependent on our brain for vision. Try again. Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain the start of living organisms from nonliving matter. Evolution on its own doesn't solve much. Evolution through natural selection does. As for the start of life, we don't know. But there is a natural explanation. The universe has not always existed. It had a start what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter. We don't know, but there are two good explanations. Either quantum fluctuations in the inflationary model, or the "Big Splat", id est, brane collision. Just because science doesn't know, doesn't mean that God should live in these gaps. Side: AGAINST
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I would like to say that God does exist with absolute confidence. However the Bible and every other form of ancient text was written by man. They may have been influenced by "Gods" but handwritten by man. That doesn't mean that "God"doesn't exist. There is always the possibility that we have misinterpreted what the word "God" means. If we were to ever leave this planet and arrive to a planet with lesser evolved species of intelligent life, they may consider us to be Gods. The Bible says that God created us. Some people don't believe this and I don't believe it entirely neither. I do however believe that "God" mastered the information involved with evolution and evolved our species using DNA "He" created. It's a known fact that our species has DNA strands that do not exist in any other specie on the planet. Its those unique qualities within the DNA that give us our intelligence an abilities no other specie can match or surpass. Side: FOR
Yes, it was written by man. Because it is quite easy to come up with "talking donkeys" or "the story of Noah's Ark," and only man can come up with filicidal thoughts included in some of the laws in the bible- such as: Leviticus 20:9 "'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death."- because no God would think of that verse- only man can as they are capable of evil. Its those unique qualities within the DNA that give us our intelligence an abilities no other specie can match or surpass. But I'd have to dispute you here- our brains, despite being advanced- are terribly deficient. So are our eyes and ears- other creatures have much more advanced sight or hearing that they can detect colors that we would never be able to see because we have dull eyes. And our hearing is horrible when you compare it to other animals. Side: FOR
this doesn't mean however i am not a christian because i am. i am just keeping a wide point of view to possibilities because the truth from God was given from God but handle by man. Who is sinful. It's like the game of telephone. who knows when the truth was misinterpreted Side: FOR
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people obviously have a hard time believing what they can't see, I personally belive that God created this universe. the universe is too perfect to be created by chance, also non belivers have failed to produce a single ounce of proof that he doesn't exhist, so this whole argument will always be at a complete stalemate, becuase topics like this are beyond our hopelessly limited knowledge of the universe and in particular, the supernatural. ( any evil is full proof of God, just sayin). people can say all they want about chemical reactions and things like that, but God could've performed those too. I say be grateful to the Lord for giving you the life that you have, and seek his forgivness for even questioning his exhistence,for if you continue to deny him, you will go to hell. And a giant Freakin explosion can't just come out of absolute nothing and produce a universe, explosions need reactant duh science people Side: FOR
Your argument is the typical argument, that God MUST exist because of all the miracles and 1-in-a-million chances that are seen in today's world. Your points, addressed briefly one by one: 1) Our world is miraculously the only one known to support life. There are likely millions of other planets that could support life but are SLIGHTLY off in the conditions. And so it may have been a one-in-a-million chance that we are alive on this planet, but it is still just probability. It is not the work of a Creator that out of millions, heck- BILLIONS of worlds, one is known to support life. It is pure chance, but we attribute it falsely to a being greater than ourselves. 2) Water WOULD be odorless and without taste. Why would evolution make the thing that we drink the MOST taste funny? Just as I am pretty sure that to fishes, the saltwater around them has no taste. And water wasn't made by the Creator to suit us. Water's properties are UNIVERSAL, and WE adapted to suit its properties. 3) The right mix of chemicals + electric energy (some consider it as sea + lightning) can create a basic protein. From there come cells. Etc. 4) OF COURSE scientists have no definite explanation for what happened at the VERY beginning. If they DID, then there would be no more debate. But it is better to be unsure than to conveniently attribute the beginning to a supernatural dude who makes things go POOF. See, scientists need to use SCIENCE, not mere FAITH to prove their theories. Thank you. Side: AGAINST
People have so much faith in god but lets face the reality has anyone seen him ? What makes you think it is possible to see a supernatural, metaphysical, multi-dimensional being not bound by natural laws or processes? But the trillions of temples for worship have to mean something afterall they can't be a hoax! A hoax? No. Misguided? Quite possibly. Side: FOR
"What makes you think it is possible to see a supernatural, metaphysical, multi-dimensional being not bound by natural laws or processes?" On the flip-side of that, how can you know such a being exists? @ KlLLUMINATI The argument from design. Really? People are still using that? Side: AGAINST
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The world around us is the best evidence and proof that God created the universe. The very existence of the universe cannot be understood or explained using our five senses. The actual creation of this world was a miracle and cannot be explained by natural phenomenon. Only a supernatural force such as God can explain the supernatural act of creation. Only a supernatural person such as God can make something out of nothing. Only God can breathe life to create life and be the creator of our own souls. Life and our own soul were not created by natural phenomenon. Matter did not create matter. Dust did not create dust. The creation of life was a supernatural act that is only adequately explained in the Bible. God's breath is the source of all life. Without God's breath of life we are but "dust of the ground". There is too much evidence in the world, to include the actual creation of world, to deny and ask if there a God. Without God there is no adequate explanation of how the universe was created or to explain our purpose in life . It is amazing that so many people believe that God is a fable, and they will go to such lengths to disprove that there is not a God. In the final analysis, people deny God so that they can put their interests above God, their Creator. Side: FOR
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The very existence of the universe cannot be understood or explained using our five senses. I think you would be wrong there. Whilst I am not a genius, I understand, if you'd excuse my vanity, an above average amount about the existence of the universe. The actual creation of this world was a miracle and cannot be explained by natural phenomenon. Cough, Big Bang, cough... Only a supernatural force such as God can explain the supernatural act of creation. You're assuming that creation necessitates a supernatural prime mover. Only a supernatural person such as God can make something out of nothing. Darn, and here was me thinking quantum fluctuations through virtual particle annihilation in the inflationary model could do that. I must be mistaken. Life and our own soul were not created by natural phenomenon. Prove that this is impossible. Matter did not create matter. Prove that this is impossible. Dust did not create dust. I'm sure you know the drill by now. The creation of life was a supernatural act that is only adequately explained in the Bible Oh, so not the Q'ran then? Or the Vedas? Or any other holy scripture? God's breath is the source of all life. Without God's breath of life we are but "dust of the ground". And you inferred this... how? Without God there is no adequate explanation of how the universe was created Please read a textbook. I'm sure you will find it very informative. or to explain our purpose in life Oh, OK. So my purpose is not to achieve great things, or love my fellow man, or to pass on my genes? It is to be a servile ant to a space daddy? Right... It is amazing that so many people believe that God is a fable, 1.1 billion or so. It's still only about 16% of the world's population. In the final analysis, people deny God so that they can put their interests above God, their Creator. So basically, we should stop caring about ourselves and become slaves? Great... Side: AGAINST
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Think about all the evil and suffering in the world, think God would let this happen? I don't think so. LEVITICUS 20:13, IF A MAN LIES WITH A MAN AS ONE LIES WITH A WOMAN, THEY HAVE DONE WHAT IS DETESTABLE. THEY SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH, THEIR BLOOD IS ON THEIR OWN HEADS. Side: AGAINST
And since ur fond of quoting the bible here's one "the fool hath said in his heart that there is no god". A societal norm can be judged by something very easy...if everyone is doing it is it hurtful or not. If everyone was gay than we would go it of existence in 1 generation given no female is ARTIFICIALY fertilized. Seems like a brainer why homo-sexuality is considered by most thriving civilizations as a bad thing. Side: FOR
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The universe is not just a big coincidence. It would to take millions of coincidences. Taking the physical variables into account, what is the likelihood of a universe giving us life coming into existence by coincidence? One in billions of billions? Or trillions of trillions of trillions? Or more? Roger Penrose, a famous British mathematician wondered about this question and tried to calculate the probability. Including what he considered to be all variables required for human beings to exist and live on a planet such as ours, he computed the probability of this environment occurring among all the possible results of the Big Bang. According to Penrose, the odds against such an occurrence were on the order of a 1 followed by 123 zeros to 1. Side: FOR
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Can you not just type one argument, rather than several? The universe is not just a big coincidence Prove that it isn't. It would to take millions of coincidences. Prove that it would. Taking the physical variables into account, what is the likelihood of a universe giving us life coming into existence by coincidence? One in billions of billions? Or trillions of trillions of trillions? Or more? Probably more. Doesn't mean it can't happen. According to Penrose, the odds against such an occurrence were on the order of a 1 followed by 123 zeros to 1. How on Earth did he calculate that? Side: AGAINST
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fair play to you mate, im please you feel gods love. but god is everywhere, the place where yougo to worship him is only a building, nothing special about it. we are the church, acts shows us that. which makes god even more amazing because he loves us wherever we are. god bless you Side: FOR
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One Interesting Argument I heard is reproduction. How can life consist of reproduction? It is like we know we are going to die. We know we are going to die but did the first bacteria realize it was going to die? It seems weird to think that the first bacteria knows it needs to reproduce even though it has no idea it will die. Side: FOR
An argument for what? That argument is only valid for an evolutionist( which is also just a theory. Don't forget). Creationists don't believe that humans evolved from single celled organisms. Btw do u even know how bacteria reproduces? It divides its self by a process know as binary fission resulting in an identical copy of itself...not at all human-like and not at all an argument against the existence of a god. Side: AGAINST
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It divides its self by a process know as binary fission resulting in an identical copy of itself...not at all human-like and not at all an argument against the existence of a god. It's not at all human-like because life has had 2 billion years to evolve and become more complex thus needing a new way to reproduce. Were a bacteria are not complex at all so that allows them to reproduce like that. Side: FOR
all you scientists out there think god doesnt exist because its faith but think about the big bang theory we dont know if that actually happened it is just faith that you go on and its better to believe in something and have a peace of mind then not believe in anything America has always believed in God in the pledge of allegiance it says under god on the money that we have every day it says in god we trust Side: FOR
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all you scientists out there think god doesnt exist because its faith but think about the big bang theory we dont know if that actually happened it is just faith that you go on Scientists actually have proof on the Big Bang were theologists don't have proof of god Side: AGAINST
So out of chaos comes harmony? I don't believe that this is all coincidence. It's more likely that there is a creator than this is just a perfect randomness, I believe. Everything I read about evolution only pulls me towards creationism. The hilarious argument about us being 80-90 percent chromosomal similarities with primates? We also share 60-70 percent chromosomal similarities with bananas. Of course we share similarities! We are carbon based, living in a carbon based environment consuming and exhuming carbon...notice a pattern? Side: FOR
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However, there's no reliable evidence for God/Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Zeus, Thor, or any of the thousands of other gods that people have worshipped. There's also extensive evidence that they are all just myths, created to help soothe our fear of death, and perpetuated through religion to subjugate the underclass into obedience. Side: FOR
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Of all of the thousands of bits and pieces of writings that come from Jesus' time, there are astoundingly few which mention him. All the more astounding considering who he was supposed to represent. Tacitus nor Josephus were even born by the time of the crucifiction. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica "Josephus wrote a paragraph about Jesus (The Antiquities of the Jews 18.63ff.), as he did about Theudas, the Egyptian, and other charismatic leaders (History of the Jewish War 2.258–263; The Antiquities of the Jews 20.97–99, 167–172), but it has been heavily revised by Christian scribes, and Josephus's original remarks cannot be discerned." The EB also notes: “This knowledge of Jesus, however, was dependent on familiarity with early Christianity and does not provide independent evidence about Jesus.” As for Tacitus, the EB says: Documents indicate that within a few years of Jesus' death, Romans were aware that someone named Chrestus (a slight misspelling of Christus) had been responsible for disturbances in the Jewish community in Rome (Suetonius, The Life of the Deified Claudius 25.4). Twenty years later, according to Tacitus, Christians in Rome were prominent enough to be persecuted by Nero, and it was known that they were devoted to Christus, whom Pilate had executed (Annals 15.44). So, while it is still likely somebody named Jesus of Nazareth did make claims to divinity and was offed by Pilate, it is far from being proven beyond a reasonable doubt by evidence. Side: AGAINST
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Yes, He does exist. Millions of people get healed from all sorts of diseases by praying to him. Also, he can cure drug addicts - just ask Jackie Pullinger! How could the world have been made if there isn't someone out there? Okay, maybe it was the big bang, but what caused that, huh? Side: FOR
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"Yes, He does exist. Millions of people get healed from all sorts of diseases by praying to him. Also, he can cure drug addicts - just ask Jackie Pullinger!" This is an assertion, not an argument. Jackie can believe what he likes, but it is hardly proof. "How could the world have been made if there isn't someone out there? Okay, maybe it was the big bang, but what caused that, huh?" You're new at this, aren't you? I can't tell you what caused the Big Bang...can you tell me what caused God? Side: AGAINST
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However, there's no reliable evidence for God/Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Zeus, Thor, or any of the thousands of other gods that people have worshipped. There's also extensive evidence that they are all just myths, created to help soothe our fear of death, and perpetuated through religion to subjugate the underclass into obedience. Side: FOR
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Did you inadvertently say Jesus? Even if you don't take the Bible at face value (which plenty of people don't) there is still evidence of Jesus' existence and crucifixion. Look up Tacitus or Josephus non-religious writers who at least wrote to his existence. Since you wrote it twice so will I. Side: FOR
Of all of the thousands of bits and pieces of writings that come from Jesus' time, there are astoundingly few which mention him. All the more astounding considering who he was supposed to represent. Tacitus nor Josephus were even born by the time of the crucifiction. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica "Josephus wrote a paragraph about Jesus (The Antiquities of the Jews 18.63ff.), as he did about Theudas, the Egyptian, and other charismatic leaders (History of the Jewish War 2.258–263; The Antiquities of the Jews 20.97–99, 167–172), but it has been heavily revised by Christian scribes, and Josephus's original remarks cannot be discerned." The EB also notes: “This knowledge of Jesus, however, was dependent on familiarity with early Christianity and does not provide independent evidence about Jesus.” As for Tacitus, the EB says: Documents indicate that within a few years of Jesus' death, Romans were aware that someone named Chrestus (a slight misspelling of Christus) had been responsible for disturbances in the Jewish community in Rome (Suetonius, The Life of the Deified Claudius 25.4). Twenty years later, according to Tacitus, Christians in Rome were prominent enough to be persecuted by Nero, and it was known that they were devoted to Christus, whom Pilate had executed (Annals 15.44). So, while it is still likely somebody named Jesus of Nazareth did make claims to divinity and was offed by Pilate, it is far from being proven beyond a reasonable doubt by evidence. Side: AGAINST
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It was sarcasm. I think that scripture, religion, god, hellfire, etc are all so clearly and laughably manmade that the Bible seems to disprove itself in the telling. So the Bible, theoretically gods word, makes the existence of the god it describes most impossible. Thats what i meant when i said God's way of telling us he doesn't exist Side: AGAINST
Of course the God exists. firstly all that has life the God has made. secondly belief in God gives us motivation to conquer hurdle. we believe that tomorrow will be better than today, we believe that the God gives us health, success, happinesses if we are good people and make good doings. Side: FOR
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i think the fact that people dont encourage the existence of God is the fear of the unknown, or just the plain fact that they need to be logical about everything. You cant be though. a lot of things in this universe are things you cant explain, and whose to say that there hasnt been any proof of God? Why would he appear to non believers anyway. if you dont put your faith in him then you might as well not even concern yourself with the subject. You have to be be willing to be accepting of him. i had an experience one time with a pastor of my church who was a prophet, and told me about my life without me telling him anything at all. it was the first time ive met him and he had my life right on point. all the people and events that had happened and what path God wanted me to take to become a better person. It was just one of those experiences that you just have that makes you think, now theres no way that God cant be real. Side: FOR
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If you're blindfolded and you reach into a box with 10 blocks, is it possible to take out the blocks in order from 1 - 10? Not likely, right? Then how can life, with would be even harder to be made, come by just chance? There has to be someone who made everything so that it would be what it is today. Side: FOR
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Explain miracles, it's not pure chance because how is chance always on the good side, the universe isnt just random there is something controlling everything that we do and everything that happens around us, and there is proof, how do you explain the people who have died, seen heaven and some people seen hell and have come back to life, Side: FOR
Consider that you are one of many many many and the generations of millions before you and after you and God has been through it and will be after you are gone. Now seeing that there may be an all powerful God consider that perhaps that God exists but only a few can see. Have you not considered the few great inventors of super intelligent capabilities among the billions of not so great inventors? Have you not considered that even though we are all endowed with achievement possibilities of great creations, we have not as a whole given our all to seek out this one creator? Many are called few are chosen. Side: FOR
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Well I get your a christian and all, but don't you guys believe in Adam and Eve? Also God said the garden of eden is the original place where pretty much all the animals, etc were there. It doesn't say hur dur dinosaurs. You are proving that god doesn't exist even if you are disputing xD Side: AGAINST
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wtf? The Bible covers a period of time where Dinosaurs should have had mention. Especially in a document that claims truth and whose endorsers claim historical accuracy. Cars and airplanes weren't invented until almost 2000 years after the bible was written. Whose argument is fallacious? Can we say “Weak Analogy?” Side: AGAINST
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Actually there is no written word of god. Do you know the original work of the Bible? Actually the original BIBLE is not actually there. It doesn't exist anymore! And it's not god that written the bible. Humans MADE THE BIBLE! Wouldn't god put effort to actually protect the ORIGINAL BIBLE? I have my proof. King James who wrote the new testament is actually a HUMAN. Do you actually have proof that god WROTE THE BIBLE? Side: AGAINST
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well i really don't think god exists but what i think there is a force call it cosmos or conscience but there's something which keeps the world together and keeps it going but there is something not actually sure if its god.Nobody saw him plus i feel i personally feel its not god that made man but its the man who made god.t A MYTH OR IMAGINARY creature o which man can put blame,man can expect,man can hope,love or have faith on or man can be afraid of. TODAY,god has become a medium to fight on or to unite the world on or a person to demand in front of!! So well u c whether exists or not one things for sure world needs GOD.... Side: AGAINST
Nope no god, sorry. Science is already so close to answering how the universe was created. A "god" was just created so people in simplier times did not have to think to hard on those big questions. But now, in civilized life, complex science is giving us answers. So for all you religious people, stop living in the past and holding on to the false hope that a god exists. Side: AGAINST
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I do not think you know the full meaning of theory. Definition : a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. THE SCIENTISTS DID EXPLAIN IT AND TELL YOU ON HOW IT STARTED. also on the account for "why" you are saying why were we born? It is out of random luck! I don't know why I was born and pretty sure you don't either, so you can't say WHY DID IT HAPPEN? Side: AGAINST
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except science cant exlain it Yes it can. science cant explain the pure chance that brought us here. Yes it can. science cant explain how life came to be out of nothing Yes it can. science cant explain how every atom grew the properties they havewhich make up the world the way it is Yes it can. Side: AGAINST
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Nope no god, sorry Care to prove this statement. Science is already so close to answering how the universe was created This is a misconception, scientists are close to explaining how the Universe as it is now, could have come into existence. There is no implicit creation, there is also no defined starting point, there is only Earth based mathematical models. These can come close to trying to develop some sort of quasi explanation, but with out ever being able to accurately measure anything from a time where our universe was infinitesimally small, they can only ever really be educated guess work. A "god" was just created so people in simplier times did not have to think to hard on those big questions. From where do you attain this knowledge, I would assume that it seemed at the time the most logical explanation to a brain that was learning about its environment through cause and effect. But now, in civilized life, complex science is giving us answers Another bold statement, I'd like to know where you are getting all of this information, care to share your source. So for all you religious people, stop living in the past and holding on to the false hope that a god exists. I'm not a religious person, but I could see where offence could be taken from this, you have assumed total accuracy on your own views, and judging from your argument, you don't really know what they are, science is a wonderful tool, but if you don't know how to use it, you shouldn't claim to. Side: AGAINST
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Huh?? We haven't even been to mars. We have had probes but only in our own solar system! We can go everywhere in our galaxy? Not even close. And how much bigger is our galaxy than our solar system? For all intense and purposes we will call it infinitely considering our current technological limitations. I look at man and find evidence of god. If you don't know where to look you will never find it. Side: FOR
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PFFF. In the bible where "God" made it, it is said numerous times that god wanted to create the perfect place for people(Adam and eve) Where the Arctic is uninhabitable not to mention the desert. Why are there 10 billion earth like planets then? Why are there 100 billion star systems? why are there 100 billion galaxies? why are there 8 planets in our solar system when actually for right now the only place we can live is EARTH. Does this world look like it is made for humans? And you say " I look at man and find evidence of god" the only evidence you told us is that we have limitations to visting other planets or systems. Get real. Side: AGAINST
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People have so much faith in god but lets face the reality has anyone seen him ? Faith is believing what you know doesn't make sense. But the trillions of temples for worship have to mean something afterall they can't be a hoax! Temples exist for a few reasons. 1. The employment and empowerment of clergy. 2. Genuine ignorance (faith). 3. Spirituality. The first reason insults us as a race, the the parasite custodians of organized religion ought to be thrown in jail for fraud. The second reason, ignorance, leaves little to be desired. It deserves no respect. The third - and rarest - reason is true spirituality. But then, if someone is truly spiritual, which is a state of mind, then they don't need a temple. Side: AGAINST
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How about you guys give us some proof that god is real instead of talking about some stuff that doesn't exist. Have you seen god? Have you heard god? Do you even know what he looks like? How come there are no dinosaurs in the bible, evolution, or how the earth was made? It just said that it was made in god's "mind." That is pure BS. Did god explain how the world will be later? Also in the history of the egyptians(jewish) there were no proof that jews were taken as slaves nor were there a moses. According to the bible God pretty much killed most of the egyptians by plague, etc, but historians said that there were no plagues, frogs, or anything like that happening. Are any of you guys historians? NOOOOOO. Neither am I, but I am showing evidence and the words that a historian studied and showed evidence that those things never happened. Also if god helped moses split the sea they were about to cross in half how come god doesn't do that anymore? Well god let jesus walk on water, healed a leper, and much more miracles just to give proof that Jesus was god's son. How come god doesn't do that anymore? No proof ever claims that God is real. Well if you think god is real then the laws of gravity is just fiction. I don't see you christians or jews jumping off of buildings. How about you guys actually give us atheists some proof and stop talking like you guys are from 100 BC and we'll actually listen to you. Side: AGAINST
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"...all this science crap..." Well, this pretty much sums it up, doesn't it? But while we're on the subject: Doesn't it concern even you that Genesis is all over the map with the creation story? If you are willing to look to such an explanation as fact, wouldn't you require that explanation to, at the very least, evidence a minimum of cogency? Even if you concede minor errors are the inevitable product of imperfect humans, how can you take the rest of the book seriously when in the very first lines the thing contradicts itself left and right? You state that one will find the Bible tells us of how the world was created in Genesis...how can you say that with a straight face given what the book says? Side: AGAINST
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I don't want to argue with you anymore because you an illogical human being who ignores everything that gives proof. In all the arguments that I wrote and MANY other people you said literally that the bibles proves everything. Oh I don't know, why are there dinosaurs? You don't give any proof to disprove science while the only thing you say is based off of a 2000 year old book. Also in genisis there is no FACTUAL proof that it is even real. If you give us atheists some actual proof maybe we will actually listen to you. Side: AGAINST
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The question can not be truely answered. but in my opinion; 'god' can be numerous things. a persons god can be jesus or some sort of islam god. a higher being may or may not exist. but maybe it all depends on a specific persons belief. this really isnt something that can honestly be debated on. Side: AGAINST
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If God existed, where would he have come from? People believe in God because it is their only explanation of where the world came from. I believe in Solipsism, or as some people call it, "The Matrix theory". Everything is all just a projection created by our own minds. Where else could everything have come from? Side: AGAINST
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To say the natural world is proof of God makes no sense to me. Just because we cannot fully or definitely understand its creation- doesn't make a God the only possible reason of its existence. If you were to allow other theories as far-fetched as Christianity- then there would be endless possibilities as to how the universe was made. You could just as easily say that the universe was designed by a dog than as a dog- there is equal proof for both. Nothing. Just because religion has been forced into society- does not make it any more valid than the infinite other possibilities. Side: AGAINST
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There is no scientific evidence to support any god. Therefore, we cannot say there is a god. Also, since it's not reflected by science, we can assert there is no god. Side: AGAINST
Saying that God exists is VERY stupid. Everything that exists just happened, no one created it, even if did there is no point fussing over the idea because if we are lucky we, as a species, might live long enough to one day see if it is possible firsthand. Even if did exist he/she/it would be smart enough to leave us alone to develop and evolve on our own, by our own making. All religion that currently exists is for keeping people stupid so they could be easily manipulated and controlled. And God in those is to instill fear into people so they would not act against the ones who "spread the word of God" or would simply do whatever is told to them because of something stupid like "this is what God wanted". Take a group of infants and raise them up teaching them only science and not a single word about God or any religion. Then once they are 18 or so give them the information about God and religions. They will see the stupidity in it. They might accept that there is a possibility for a being or beings that have that much power as to create worlds and universes but they would NOT say that that is how it is. To say that God definitely exists is wrong, and those who do say it with such assurance are not to be taken seriously. Take it this way. There was once a people, a species, not humans but like humans. They were rather nothing at that point, like we are now - insignificant. Then they advanced their science and they evolved for millions, perhaps even billions of years, or even more, in our sense of measurement. That to a point where their science allowed them to create anything. Even still it is impossible to create things out of nothing, there must always be something you make it out of. That people become extremely powerful but calling them Gods would not be right because they were like us once. They are still just another species, like us, simply far far more advanced. The way the concept of God is treated is idiotic. The word God I downright hate because of how the word is treated. Not to mention that the word is pointless and useless either way. I am very sure that a being or beings who were that powerful would rather they were treated as normal, not as something magnificent, like something to awe at, or as something to worship. If we discovered an inferior but intelligent species would you like them to treat you as something to worship or awe, or as someone normal? If you are not for the normal treatment then there is something wrong with you, mentally. Just saying... slavery is for idiots... Someone that powerful would be significantly smarter than humans, perhaps even smarter than all humans combined. This means that discussing this matter at our low levels of intelligence is rather stupid. Although there might some few people who are capable of discussing it at a sufficient level to come up with something reasonable about the subject, but largely they will not be taken seriously due to the centuries, even thousands of years of brainwashing, effects of what will still take hundreds of years to fade away. Just try and say what I wrote is stupid. It simply proves my points. Side: AGAINST
Everything that exists just happened, no one created it Are you saying that everything came about randomly? That the Earth just appeared in the perfect spot by chance? Or the perfect size? If it just happened, would stars and the sun be giant balls of ice and gravity never came to exist? All religion that currently exists is for keeping people stupid so they could be easily manipulated and controlled. So what you're saying is that all of us here that agree that God exists are stupid? That is a large amount of stupid people from you're perspective. There was once a people, a species, not humans but like humans. Are you saying that God has evolved himself? How can something that "doesn't exist", as you put it, become something very powerful? Could this also happen to flowers? Can they start as a bud and eventually become a ferocious beast that can go on a rampage and kill everyone? Even still it is impossible to create things out of nothing, there must always be something you make it out of. So if it is impossible to create things out of nothing, what is the Earth made of? And what was that made of? This question would continue forever unless something in fact did make it. I am very sure that a being or beings who were that powerful would rather they were treated as normal, not as something magnificent, like something to awe at, or as something to worship. If you were the boss of a company, would you like that your employees made fun of you? Wouldn't you want them to respect you? The same is with God, only more because he is much more powerful. Just try and say what I wrote is stupid. It simply proves my points. Or does it? I just proved that you are wrong. Side: FOR
Are you saying that everything came about randomly? That the Earth just appeared in the perfect spot by chance? Or the perfect size? If it just happened, would stars and the sun be giant balls of ice and gravity never came to exist? Earth is not in the perfect spot, nor is it the perfect size. In fact there is no such thing as perfect, well, if you leave out individual preferences... We have adapted to it, ever since the first organisms emerged. By the way, there are far more celestial bodies than just Earth and the Sun. In fact, there are billions upon billions of them. There could be no giant balls of ice if gravity never existed... So what you're saying is that all of us here that agree that God exists are stupid? Stupid? Pretty much. Although some of them may be smart in some particular fields. That is a large amount of stupid people from you're perspective. And it is true. Are you saying that God has evolved himself? How can something that "doesn't exist", as you put it, become something very powerful? That was not about God. I just explained how a people could become that powerful and thus how it could be possible for a powerful being to exist, theoretically. The God so many religious are referring to does not exist. Could this also happen to flowers? Can they start as a bud and eventually become a ferocious beast that can go on a rampage and kill everyone? Oh yes, it could, given the need for the organism to evolve in that direction. So if it is impossible to create things out of nothing, what is the Earth made of? And what was that made of? This question would continue forever unless something in fact did make it. Simple. I'm not the expert but I do know on some degree. There was the Bang. From that came "density fluctuations" that evolved into the first stars. Now, inside the stars smaller particles fused into "bigger" ones, thus creating hydrogen, those fused again and again and again, creating all the elements known to us. Eventually, don't know the process exactly but, the stars went supernova, they exploded, shooting out all that matter. Creating gas clouds in what the matter recombined (coalesced into a mass or more than one), creating new stars and even planets. So, there you go. If you ask where our universe came from. Probably from a different state of existence. If you were the boss of a company, would you like that your employees made fun of you? Wouldn't you want them to respect you? The same is with God, only more because he is much more powerful. Making fun over someone does not rule out respect, and there is a huge difference between respect and slavery (slavery as in religion, in a sense). If I were the boss of a company I would ensure a friendly, not dominating environment. Something from what EVERYONE could benefit. And I am fairly sure that if someone that powerful, and presumably smart, existed he or she or it would know the same and concur. Or does it? I just proved that you are wrong. Okay... How exactly did you prove me wrong? I missed that part. Side: AGAINST
The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today. 1.The Earth its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life. 2.Water colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life. It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees. Ninety seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water. 3.The eye can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages simultaneously. Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain the start of living organisms from nonliving matter. 4.The universe had a start what caused it? Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself. The universe has not always existed. It had a start what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter. Side: AGAINST
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