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Does Iran have a vibrant westernized middle class?
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Does Iran have a vibrant westernized middle class? Yes. Like the Chinese they tend to send a lot of their best and brightest to western universities. I've actually met a few Iranians educated in Britain. I remember one in particular I had a long chat with when I was working at a local radio station. Really clever chap and very politically aware. A lot more so than your average American, I might add. Side: They DO
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Hitler, Islamic, Messiah? WHAT? Those words don't belong in the same phrase. Nobody is defending Nazi Germany. He is pointing out the stupidity of your analogy. Modern Germans are compassionate, friendly, hard working, rational, committed, sensible, educated, successful, and certainly not in any support of Nazi ideologies. Much like modern Iranians. Side: They DO
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Hitler, Islamic, Messiah? WHAT? Those words don't belong in the same phrase Except that the Iranians literally thought Hitler was their end times messiah. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
It literally says this in the article you just posted: "Nazi race-based antisemitism and nationalism did not resonate with Iranian audiences", ... and so, the Germans decided to deceivingly adopt pro-Islamic propaganda in Iran in order to win over the populace (in reality, Hitler had the utmost disdain for Muslims, especially the black haired, brown eyed varieties of Iran, India, Pakistan and Iraq). And it continues: "Among the themes of German propaganda was the notion that Hitler was the Shiite Messiah", But: "Such efforts by the Germans to engage the Shi’ia population prompted concerns on the part of the newly crowned Muhammad Reza Pahlavi, because he perceived his more secular-oriented regime was being undermined". It continues: "Iranian Jews ruled by Reza Shah and later his son, Muhammad Reza Pahlavi, enjoyed many rights and freedoms that they had not previously experienced, including relative cultural and religious autonomy, increased economic opportunities, and significant political rights. Jews also benefitted from the Pahlavi tilt towards a more secular domestic policy. The Iranian government informed the Germans that it considered Iranian Jews to be fully assimilated Iranians " And: "Many Polish Jews among the 116,000 Polish refugees permitted in 1942 to leave the Soviet interior to which they had fled in 1941 or been deported in 1939–1940 passed safely through Iran on the way to Palestine or Great Britain". And also: "Reza Shah declared Iran neutral at the start of World War II" And most poignantly: "On September 11, 1941, British Envoy Sir Reader S. Bullard met with Iran’s Prime Minister, Mohammad-Ali Furuqi, to demand the immediate removal of Reza Shah in favor of his son, Muhammad Reza Pahlavi, who was known to be pro-British. Five days later, on September 16, Reza Shah abdicated and went into exile, leaving his son as Shah. Reza Shah died in Johannesburg, South Africa, on July 26, 1944." CONCLUSION. Iran was a fucking neutral state, besieged by British and Soviet interests, subject to Nazi propaganda, with a leader who was vehemently secular and NEUTRAL. HE gave Jews unparalleled rights in Iran, and refused to expel either German nationals or Jews of various nationalities. UNTIL, the British forced him into exile and installed his pro British son. Which part of ANY of that leads you to conclude Iranians are Muslim extremist, fundamentalist Nazi lovers?? Fucking moron. ANd this is all from YOUR OWN ARTICLE, FROM THE FUCKING HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM! THE FUCKING JEWS WHO RUN THIS ORGANIZATION LITERALLY HAVE WRITTEN AN ENTIRE HISTORY THAT GOES AGAINST YOUR BULLSHIT, and you quoted it, in support of your bullshit. WOW. Moron. Fucking Moron. Side: They DO
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and so, the Germans decided to deceivingly adopt pro-Islamic propaganda in Iran in order to win over the populace (in reality, Hitler had the utmost disdain for Muslims, especially the black haired, brown eyed varieties of Iran, India, Pakistan and Iraq Right. Which literally proves Iran fell for him adopting their own actual views, which was literally my exact point. Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
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No Bront, it doesn't. Read the fucking article. The Germans tried, and they failed. This is a quote, from the article, from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum. It is LITERALLY, from the article you just sent me: Iranian Jews ruled by Reza Shah and later his son, Muhammad Reza Pahlavi, enjoyed many rights and freedoms that they had not previously experienced, including relative cultural and religious autonomy, increased economic opportunities, and significant political rights. Jews also benefitted from the Pahlavi tilt towards a more secular domestic policy. The Iranian government informed the Germans that it considered Iranian Jews... And here is the kicker: ... to be fully assimilated Iranians In otherwords, you're a fucking liar. Side: They DO
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Which their people literally fell for. But continue. From your own link, moron:- Reza Shah declared Iran neutral at the start of World War II. He feared both Soviet and British ambitions in his country and despite the benefits of economic relations with Germany, he considered Germany to be too committed to its program of race-based expansion and ideology. Neither side had Iran’s best interests in mind. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ FOR ONCE IN YOUR PATHETIC, POINTLESS WASTE OF A LIFE, STOP LYING AND SHUT YOUR STUPID DAMNED MOUTH. Side: They DO
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Which part of ANY of that leads you to conclude Iranians are Muslim extremist, fundamentalist Nazi lovers?? The parts you didn't cherry pick and ignored, such as because he perceived his more secular-oriented regime was being undermined and objected to Hitler being labeled a Messiah. Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
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The parts you didn't cherry pick and ignored. You laughably corrupt little Nazi cunt. You LITERALLY just tried to blame Iran for Nazi propaganda and then in your very next post you accuse OTHER people of "cherry-picking" and "ignoring". Shut your astonishingly stupid mouth you waste of time. Side: They DO
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Actually I made the point to your puppet that the Nazis propogated Hitler was their messiah, the people believed it, and their leader became concerned because it undermined his power. Just stop writing lie after lie after lie after lie, you pathetic piece of neo-fascist, right wing extremist trash. Literally everything you write is a purposeful distortion of the truth. Side: They DO
What? I read the whole fucking article and gave you a detailed breakdown of a significant number of main points, and you took literally a handful of fucking words from my reply, out of context, and drew a straw man from them. The Germans TRIED to use propaganda to convince Iranian Muslims to be Pro-Hitler. And it didn't work. Read the fucking article. Side: They DO
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What? I read the whole fucking article and gave you a detailed breakdown of a significant number of main points You left out the part where Iran's leader's power was threatened by Iranians thinking of Hitler as their messiah. You did it intentionally too Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
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You left out the part You left out the ENTIRE FUCKING EXPLANATION of how your link drop apparently supports your claim that, "Iran literally thought Hitler was their messiah". You quoted no part of the article you linked. You simply made a stupid, brazenly false claim and then dropped a link at the end of it. Side: They DO
He was threatened by the content of the propaganda, because he considered it harmful to a secular, moderate, neutral country. And so, he PUBLICALLY DECLARED that Jews were integrated Iranian citizens. This is wartime, Bront. And he made entirely the correct moral decision to allow Jews amnesty, safe passage, and rights of full Iranian citizens. Side: They DO
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I did. It literally says that Iranians thinking of Hitler as their messiah was a threat to Iran's leader. Oh for God's sake just stop lying you dirty piece of shit. The word "Messiah" appears twice, in the same single paragraph:- Among the themes of German propaganda was the notion that Hitler was the Shiite Messiah, or Twelfth Imam, who had returned to destroy the Jews and communists. Hitler’s struggle was compared to the struggle of the Prophet Mohammed against the Jews, drawing parallels between chapters from the Quran about Prophet Mohammed’s clashes with Jewish tribes in Arabia to Shi’ite Iranian hostilities toward Great Britain and the Soviet Union. Such efforts to engage the Shi’ia population prompted concerns on the part of the newly crowned Muhammad Reza Pahlavi, because he perceived his more secular-oriented regime was being undermined and objected to Hitler being labeled a Messiah. You're a fucking liar Bronto. Side: They DO
Yes, Bront. The iraninan leader decided the German propaganda bollox was harmful to a neutral, secular regime, and so he decided to tell the Germans: "Hey Germans, Jews are fully integrated Iranian citizens, and I'm giving them safe passage to Russia and the UK". What part of that is fucking difficult for you? READ THE ARTICLE!!! Side: They DO
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Bront, you're taking an entire historic precedent of Iran being a neutral nation, ruled by secularism, having taken hundreds of thousands of Jews into their country and treating them as equal citizens, and choosing a few words that might indicate that some Iranians believed GERMAN PROPAGANDA (you know the meaning of propaganda, right?) What was the outcome? Did the Iranians build concentration camps for Jews? no. Did the Iranians fight for the Germans? No. Did the Iranians convert to Nazi ideology as a state/country? No. Did the Iranians support the Germans in their military campaigns? No. Did the Iranians end up with the Allies? YES! Side: They DO
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Are you fuckin serious? Unfortunately he is. Percentages are just another thing he never bothered to learn in school. Bronto went to Trump school, where you just get taught to lie randomly and then affix a number or a link at the end in the hope you can con people into believing you. Side: They DO
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It doesn't say in the article that anybody actually believed the propaganda, Bront. It just says the propaganda existed, and that the Iranian leader considered such propaganda malicious. It's entirely possible that some Iranians believed it. Some British people were active communists during the war, while others sided with the Germans. But you wouldn't use that information to conclude that Britain was a communist or Nazi state, would you? So why use it to conclude that Iran was Nazi? Every country implicated in or affected by conflict will have citizens who perhaps oppose the dominant national ideology. Many Germans were anti Nazi. Many Soviet Russians were anti Stalinist. Many British were anti imperial. Side: They DO
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So why use it to conclude that Iran was Nazi? Islam is Nazi because of this. Although the word Jihad standing by itself means “struggle,” what Westerners need to focus on when reading the Hadith regarding Mohammed’s Jihad is similar to the focus needed when reading Mein Kampf (My Struggle) by Adolph Hitler. Walid Shoebat, -Ex Palestinian Muslim https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/ Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
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WW2 Iranians: we accept, almost unanimously, that Jews are fully integrated Iranian citizens whom we will treat with honour and respect and to whom we shall allow safe passage through our country, and to whom we shall grant amnesty as a neutral, secularly run state not aligned with any side in this war. Bront: But, but, but ... but ... one time some German pamphlets provided the potential opportunity for some Iranians to possibly align themselves ideologically with a fabricated pseudo-nazi ideology! THEREFORE IRANIANS ARE NAZIS DURRRR. Side: They DO
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So you openly admit that at minimum, some Iranians thought he was the messiah due to similar ideologies. Bronto, your claim was that "Iranians believed Hitler was their Messiah". As your own link explicates very clearly, that claim is an egregious distortion of the truth. Sean hasn't told any lies yet so there is nothing for him to admit. You, on the other hand, have been lying all afternoon. Side: They DO
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So you openly admit that some Iranians believed Hitler was their messiah Do you openly admit that some Americans are rapists who worship the demon lord Baal? Well then obviously "Americans are rapists who worship Baal" and we should bomb this evil regime immediately. Your Nazi-era propaganda is boring and stupid. The world has moved on. Side: They DO
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Well then obviously "Americans are rapists who worship Baal" Only you. and we should bomb this evil regime immediately. I never mentioned bombs. I simply took the position of ex Muslims that Nazism and Islam are essentially the same thing. Although the word Jihad standing by itself means “struggle,” what Westerners need to focus on when reading the Hadith regarding Mohammed’s Jihad is similar to the focus needed when reading Mein Kampf (My Struggle) by Adolph Hitler. -Walid Shoebat, ex Palestinian Muslim https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/ Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
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Only you. You literally know I'm a British atheist you pointless idiot. I never mentioned bombs. You claimed Iranians think Hitler is their religious messiah. And your source for that, as per usual, is Nazi propaganda. You are literally trying to convince us to believe Nazi propaganda. Side: They DO
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Except that the Iranians literally thought Hitler was their end times messiah. Except that literally everything you ever say is ridiculously stupid and deliberately untrue. You are the single most dishonest, corrupt, lying little piece of shit ever to crawl onto this website. This claim you have made is simply laughable. Side: They DO
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Modern Germans are compassionate, friendly, hard working, rational, committed, sensible, educated, successful, and certainly not in any support of Nazi ideologies. Sure they are. Merkel happily let in a million people commanded to kill Jews in the Quran. Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
I've addressed this before. The Quran venerates Jews as some of God's chosen peoples. "O Children of Israel, remember My favor that I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over the worlds" From Sura Al-Baqarah 2:47. At any rate, Bronto, even IF Syrian refugees went around killing Jews in Germany (which they don't. It has never happened): IRANIANS ARE NOT SYRIAN SUNNI'S! Iranians are Persians. Totally different culture. Side: They DO
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No, they don't, Bronto. They go about their daily lives. You can see the videos of Tehran Square death chants by going to youtube. Go ahead. Do that. Have you been to Tehran? Yes. My girlfriend is Persian, and I have never in my life seen anything like this. Sure she is nom. No one believes you. Better switch puppets. Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
You're a liar Bront. You've never been. And I know this because if you had, you wouldn't be so fucking thick about it. I also know this because you asserted strongly last week that if I had ever been to the middle east I would be dead, ergo you were able to "conclude" that I hadn't been. Which means you think going to the Middle East unwaveringly results in death. Which means you haven't fucking been. Go and visit, for fuck's sake. Educate yourself. Side: They DO
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Which means you think going to the Middle East unwaveringly results in death. There's a good chance. If you are an overt Atheist, there's a great chance. Which means you haven't fucking been. Even wackjobs leave people carrying M60s, surrounded by others with M60s alone. You would not be carrying an M60. You'd be wearing a gay pride shirt. That gets you automatic stoning. Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
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I never mentioned Donald Trump. You literally made that up. Why? Leftists make shit up. It's brainwashed into them by their overlords as a defense mechanism to defend an ideology that has no order, thus is impossible to explain or defend otherwise. Now, care to tell us why Asians and Nigerians are doing so well in America? Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
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Yes, absolutely. They have also one of the youngest populations on Earth, and the vast, vast, majority are heavily opposed to what Americans seem to think they support. Few of them have any desire for war; for conflict; for aggression; for strict fundamentalist Islam. Women can drive. The vast majority do not wear facial coverings. Women are more educated than men. Women can travel freely (to the extent that other countries will grant them visas). Women can own property. Women can work. Women can earn a wage. Women can divorce. Women can be in public alone. Women can marry those whom they chose. By contrast, Saudi women can do none of those things. And yet, the US government just LOVE the Saudis (which is really quite ridiculous: Saudis had more to do with 9/11 than Iranians did: by which I mean, NO Iranan person was even involved!) Iranians are NOT fundamentalist, crazy, strict, backwards Sunni Muslim Arabs. They are progressive, young, vibrant, educated, driven, ambitious, reformist, Shi'a PERSIANS. And most of that young generation don't even practice their religions. PERSIANS ARE NOT ARABS. Side: They DO
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Absolute rubbish! It's their leaders that control their nation and terror. If these so called Progressive Iranian citizens have no say in their leaders, who cares what they believe? If they do have a say in their leaders, they elect leaders who scream DEATH TO ISRAEL! You should go live there if you think it is so great. They are State sponsors of terror. I guess you would call it Progressive terror. Kind of like Progressive No Restriction abortions in America. Humanity needs none of their so called Progress. Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
Jews had no say in Hitler's regime. Should we discard Jews as the collateral damage of World War 2? Iranians are great. The vast majority are great. And their leaders have stated, quite consistently, they have no appetite for war. Hence the nuclear agreement. It wasn't Iranians who reneged on it. Side: They DO
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Does it? The entire nation, yea? And I suppose all British also call brown easterners "Paki bastards". And I suppose all Americans call black people "niggers" and scream for war against Iran, eh? And all Israelis shout "kill Palestine!" And all Afghans are in the Taliban. Factually, FromWithin, Iran have not committed an act of international aggression in more than a century. THEY were attacked by Iraq. By contrast, the US is, statistically, factually, the most militarily belligerent nation on Earth. They have literally caused the death of MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS more people throughout the world than the Iranians have, in the last century. Was it not Israel who have, on several occasions, bombed Iranian territory and infrastructure? As I remember it, they bombed a fucking French owned and operated nuclear energy reactor, potentially causing massive casualties and billions in damage. Who are the dangers to world peace, in that picture?? Side: They DO
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There is one reason why Iran has not followed through with their hateful threats towards Israel. THEY CAN'T! THEY DON'T HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON and they are bent on getting ONE. Israel and America have stopped them in the past and will stop them today! Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
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SEAN B who wants to visit LONDON ?????????? Concerned at the level of knife violence in the country, with a significant portion of that coming from domestic abuse-related stabbings, British authorities have come up with a “violence prevention” program where sharp knives are swapped out for dull knives. Anyone who has been threatened at knife-point at home will get these special “no point knives” courtesy of the Nottinghamshire Police. According to authorities, the pilot anti-knife program will hopefully reduce knife-related violence, reported the Independent. A Nottinghamshire Police supervisor said, “We do see a fair amount of knife-related incidents in domestic abuse, not just on the streets. This is a measure we need to take. We want to reduce that risk. It is a trial. We have about 100 of them – and we have so far given out about 50. The knife is blunt at the end – but still functions as a knife – so you can’t stab someone.” Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
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The U.S. has protected MILLIONS of lives on this planet by being the first ones to get the Atom Bomb. They did not use their power to rule the world. They used it one time to defeat a nation (Japan) that attacked us. If Germany, or Russia, or China or any other dictator nation had gotten the weapon first, this world would be run by dictatorships including your nation. You of course will never give us credit for being the peace keepers of this world. You are a deceptive Liberal. Side: Women are FORCED to wear hijab
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The U.S. has protected MILLIONS of lives on this planet by being the first ones to get the Atom Bomb. Is this actually a joke? The US is the only country on the planet that has ever been stupid and callous enough to use an atom bomb. How exactly did murdering a quarter of a million civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki protect the planet you extremist imbecile? Side: They DO
Right. When the Japanese government had already drawn up terms of surrender after the biggest single ordinance barrage in history (over Tokyo). But retarded people like FromWithin don't actually read history so much as believe some sweet-toothed fairytale bullshit about the great USA. Yea, the great USA who let fucking torturers like Shiro Ishii, who were arguably even more callous than the Nazis, get off scot free with high-paying jobs and generous immunity packages, all while crying "horrible Nazi Germans experimented on people". What a crock of deluded cunts. Side: They DO
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And I suppose all British also call brown easterners "Paki bastards". And I suppose all Americans call black people "niggers" and scream for war against Iran, eh? And all Israelis shout "kill Palestine!" And all Afghans are in the Taliban. Bronto is very literally a Nazi, Sean. Same extremist far right ideology, same intentional distortions of the facts, same appeals to myth and popularity, same rabid nationalism, same targeting of the left and the same hatred for everything not white. Side: They DO
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