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By what Rusty is saying here if we all worshiped the Demorat party then the Little Gurl Rusty would be happy and the Dicktatership they so crave would come true !
You couldn't impeach Trump in 2 years, not that it would matter in the Republican Senate even if you did. So how long will it take to impeach Trump AND Pence? 500 years? And what are you going to nail Pence on? Being clean as an alcohol swab? How many times have you been wrong now Rusticus? Do we need a calculator to add up that number?
Then I can only double down on my statement. Lawbreaking is the modus operandi of Putin's regime. You have to yet name one instance of Trump breaking the law during his presidency.
You have to yet name one instance of Trump breaking the law during his presidency.
Hello again, Big:
Until a week ago, I would have agreed with you.. It was ALL speculation.
However, today we have DIRECT evidence of a crime.. Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to a felony. In his elocution, which is under oath, he IMPLICATED Trump in that crime.
Well, I've yet to find the actual text Cohen's sentence. Thus far, I only have this info form the CNN:
"US District Court Judge William Pauley III is speaking in court and addressing the discrepancy between how the defense and the government view the grouping of the counts against Michael Cohen for the purposes of sentencing.
Pauley says the government's argument is correct in terms of how to group the tax evasion counts for sentencing purposes.
Here's how the guidelines break down, according to Pauley:
For the charges from New York prosecutors: Cohen's guideline range is 51 to 63 months in prison
For the special counsel charges: The guideline range is zero to six months of imprisonment'
So Cohen was sentenced to jail for tax fraud and lying to government officials. The 'campaign finance violations' amount to 0% to 2% of the sentence. I'm sure if the judge is ever challenged on this decision, his defence will be the 0% part.
The 'finance campaign violations' amount to 0% to 2% of the sentence. I'm sure if the judge is ever challenged on this decision, his defence will be the 0% part.
Hello again, Big:
All that might be true about Cohen.. But, it's NOT true about Trump.. He's been implicated in a felony.. The judge does NOT have to sentence him like he did Cohen.. He can give him the max, or no time at all..
No, he hasn't. This is what Federal Campaign Finance Law says regarding disclosure:
'"The FECA requires candidate committees, party committees and PACs to file periodic reports disclosing the money they raise and spend. Candidates must identify, for example, all PACs and party committees that give them contributions, and they must identify individuals who give them more than $200 in an election cycle. Additionally, they must disclose expenditures exceeding $200 per election cycle to any individual or vendor."
This is clearly referring to transactions carried out by candidate committees e.t.c., which involve campaign finance money. Trump paid two hookers with his own private money, so FECA rules do not apply here.
I'm sure the judge would never have made such a risky descision unless he knew for sure the defendant would not appeal - such as in this particular case.
Trump paid two hookers with his own private money, so FECA rules do not apply here.
Hello again, Big:
That IS the defense, isn't it??
It's NOT where the money came from.. It's where the money was spent. The violation came because he PAID the money in furtherance of his presidential run.. That makes them campaign contributions..
The violation came because he PAID the money in furtherance of his presidential run.. That makes them campaign contributions
I have cited the FEC law provision relevant to disclosure. It clearly mentions only disbursements carried out by legal bodies such as campaigh committees, using campaign funds. The things you are writing about are nowhere to be found in FEC legal documents.
It's NOT where the money came from.. It's where the money was spent. The violation came because he PAID the money in furtherance of his presidential run.. That makes them campaign contributions..
Lawyers disagree with you lib, but forget the lawyers. Point out to all of us Trump not stomping Obama on any fiscal policy. Prove Barack wasn't Trump's inferior. We can wait here all day for you to find some monkey poo to throw our way. Come on lib. Throw some poo.
All that might be true about Cohen.. But, it's NOT true about Trump.. He's been implicated in a felony.. The judge does NOT have to sentence him like he did Cohen.. He can give him the max, or no time at all..
Which part of "can't indict a sitting President" is sailing over your skull? Do you think we'll give a flying rat's behind if you go after Trump in his 80s while another conservative runs the show?
Next, you contradicting the law and actual lawyers isn't a good look for you.
The problem with that is that there was no 'crime', even though he pleaded guilty to 'felony'.
Oh yes, that makes perfect logical sense. He admitted to something which wasn't a crime, implicated Trump, the feds sent him to jail for said crime, but it wasn't really a crime so Trump is cool.
You wouldn't fool a fifth grader with this bullshit. It's fairly obvious that you are purposefully giving out disinformation.
He admitted to something which wasn't a crime, implicated Trump, the feds sent him to jail for said crime, but it wasn't really a crime so Trump is cool.
The court sentenced him to 3 years in jail for tax evasion and filing false financial statements. According to the judge, 'campaing finance violation' amounts to 0 to 2% of his sentence. And anything above 0% is unjustitied because there has been no violation. He would have won an appeal on this particular point had he filed one, but Cohen is so deep in shit that he doesn't want to inflict more damage upon himself.
It's fairly obvious that you are purposefully giving out disinformation.
Unlike you I'm capable of not only reading the MSM headlines, but actually researching the issue.
So you agree that campaign finance violations are a crime?
Yeah, so far we have no idea what has been written in the court ruling. If it's 0%, then Cohen's sentence has nothing to do whatsoever with campaign finance. But even if it amounts to 2% of the sentence, the mass media has been deliberately lying by saying that Cohen 'got 3 years in prison for campaign finance violations'.
Apart from that, anything above 0% would be unjustified and may be succesfully appealed in the SC. I have already given a direct referrence to FEC law which supports my claim. But Cohen will never appeal this ruling for political reasons.
Yeah, so far we have no idea what has been written in the court ruling. If it's 0%, then Cohen's sentence has nothing to do whatsoever with campaign finance
Yeah, so far you haven't stopped telling lies. The sentencing guidelines for the campaign finance crimes are 0-6 months. That means the judge has the option of not sending him to prison for those crimes. It does not mean that they are not crimes. This exchange began when I replied to the following statement made by you, in which you denied the campaign finance violations were crimes:-
The problem with that is that there was no 'crime', even though he pleaded guilty to 'felony'. So there was nothing to implicate Trump in.
So you are just a ridiculous liar really, aren't you? You are a ridiculous liar who is contradicting himself, making false statements of fact, and inventing non-existent quotations from judges.
But even if it amounts to 2% of the sentence, the mass meida is deliberately lying by saying that Cihen 'got 3 years in prison for campaign finance violations'.
No, the media is not deliberately lying. You are deliberately lying about what the media has been saying. You are also quoting people (such as the judge) without providing citations or references to support your claims that this is what they actually said.
Cohen given jail term over tax fraud and hush money payments to two women who have alleged affairs with president
The sentencing guidelines for the campaign finance crimes are 0-6 months. That means the judge has the option of not sending him to prison for those crimes. It does not mean that they are not crimes.
I admit to being wrong on this particular point. But this was an honest mistake. I'm not aquiainted well enough with US procedural law. But this particualr issuse does not matter all that much, since Cohen's sentence seems unjustified with respect to campaign finance vioations.
You are a ridiculous liar who is contradicting himself
I wasn't contradicting myself. I was saying his sentence is unjustified. Here is what FEC law says about campaing finance disclosure:
"The FECA requires candidate committees, party committees and PACs to file periodic reports disclosing the money they raise and spend. Candidates must identify, for example, all PACs and party committees that give them contributions, and they must identify individuals who give them more than $200 in an election cycle. Additionally, they must disclose expenditures exceeding $200 per election cycle to any individual or vendor."
This provision is referring to financial transactions carried out by candidate committees, party committees and PACs, not by the candidates themselves.
No, the media is not deliberately lying. You are deliberately lying about what the media has been saying.
It isn't simply that you are wrong. You are deliberately distorting information because of some form of personal bias.
You began by outright denying the campaign violations were crimes and then changed your story. That indicates intellectual dishonesty rather than an honest mistake.
I wasn't contradicting myself.
You have already discredited yourself, so at this point your protests of innocence are not worth a fart in a storm.
Here is what FEC law says about campaing finance disclosure:
I read your excerpt and it has no relevance to the fact that you began by denying Cohen had violated campaign finance legislation, then changed your mind and claimed it only formed 0-2 percent of his prison sentence.
You cannot make sweeping claims like "CNN is lying" without explaining what you believe it is lying about. That is intellectually dishonest. I read the first paragraph and as far as I can tell it is factually accurate:-
President Donald Trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, was sentenced to three years in prison Wednesday for crimes that included arranging payments during the 2016 election to silence women who claimed affairs with Trump after the President's onetime "fixer" attributed his offenses to "my duty to cover up his dirty deeds."
Thanks for confirming. This is the same piece that I read and so I know there is no quote from a judge which claims "0-2 percent" of Cohen's sentence is down to campaign finance violations. You claimed the judge "said" this, and so you were clearly lying.
The article you linked specifies that the standard sentencing guidelines for the campaign finance violations are 0-6 months in prison. Out of your own personal bias you have arbitrarily reinterpreted that information to mean something it does not mean.
It is possible that you might not realise you are being intellectually dishonest, but the fact remains that you are.
It isn't simply that you are wrong. You are deliberately distorting information because of some form of personal bias.
That may be your personal beilef, in which case I don't care. Previously I've had no experience with US law and Russia doesn't have any equivalent of US 'sentencing guidlines', so I misunderstood the meaning of that particular term. In any case, this point is tangental to the main issue.
You have already discredited yourself
I have admitted to one error which does not challenge any of my main points. I had the(wrong) impression that Cohen's sentence may have been entirely unconnected to campaing finance crimes. I was wrong about that.
read your excerpt and it has no relevance to the fact that you began by denying Cohen had violated campaign finance legislation, then changed your mind and claimed it only formed 0-2 percent of his prison sentence.
These statements only 'contradict' each other if one believes the court ruling to be 100% justified, which it wasn't. Cohen could succesfully appeal it in the part related to campaign finance. Furthermore, there is another reason why the ruling on Cohen's 'campaing finance crimes' was unjust. FECA (52 U.S.C. 30114 (b)(2)) specifically says that campaign-related expenses do not include any expenditures “used to fulfill any commitment, obligation, or expense of a person that would exist irrespective of the candidate’s election campaign. Source: http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title52-section30114&num=0&edition=prelim
Trump's payment to the hookers obviously does not fit that criteria, he would have done it anyway to prevent them from ruiinig his reputation and family life.
You cannot make sweeping claims like "CNN is lying" without explaining what you believe it is lying about
The heading of that article is intentionally misleading. It does not reflect the important fact that the bulk of Cohen's sentence is not down to campaing finance crimes.
This is the same piece that I read and so I know there is no quote from a judge which claims "0-2 percent" of Cohen's sentence is down to campaign finance violations. You claimed the judge "said" this, and so you were clearly lying.
No, that is factually wrong. Show me in the post where I made such a statement. I quoted CNN's article in which they were quoting the judge. BUT, I was sloppy on another isssue, it isn't 0-2%, but 0-9,52%. Which still doesn't change the fact that anyone saying "cohen got jail time for campaign finance violations' was being intentionally misleading, since these violations account for no more thatn 10% of his sentence (but should have accounted for 0% since there had been no violations).
I've just dug a little deeper through the CNN page you linked and in fact the 0-6 month sentencing guidelines are for the special counsel's case that he lied to Congress.
The campaign finance violation charges form part of the state of New York's case, and all that is said about this is that the sentencing guidelines are 51-63 months in jail.
Yep that will teach me to always check the laws themselves instead of relying on quotes. The actual guidlines state that '52 U.S.C. § 30109(d). FECA crimes aggregating $25,000 or more are five-year felonies' Source: https://www.justice.gov/criminal/file/1029066/download
Well the point of debate for me is to establish the truth, whatever it is. So I completely cede my point on 'sentencing guidelines'. Not that it mattered all that much anyway.
Burrito, what an ugly thing to say... does this mean we're not friends anymore? You know, Burrito, if I thought you weren't my friend, I just don't think I could bear it.
LAP DOG where is the EVIDENCE you DUMB ASS ? Show up with the EVIDENCE are continue to be the FOOL you are !
Please will you stop shitposting?
Instead of writing 14 posts which don't make any sense, have no point and butcher the laws of English, why not just write one and stuff it with valid rebuttals?
Cohen gets 3 years in jail for covering up Trump's 'dirty deeds'
Well I think now it's quite obvious which one of us is the liar. We have already established the fact that Cohen was sentenced on several different charges besides campaign finance violation. So that newspiece has a deliberately misleading title. This is not just an honest mistake on your part, since we've already disussed this issue and you know damn well that such 'news' amount to lying.
Nahhh… I can handle horrible.. It's the lawbreaking that concerns me.
Oh yeah. We watched the Democrat Party infested with corruption and unethical behavior for decades and you were outraged. You can't even lay out the fundamentals of any case against Trump for anything..
It would actually do you good if you spent some time in Russia. At least you would stop whining about how horrible Trump is.
It would actually be good if you spent some time living under a right wing dictatorship that's even more right wing than the one you're currently living in, that way you can be right wing like me. It was better during the USSR but I'm still a capitalist because I'm really, really stupid.
It would actually be good if you spent some time living under a right wing dictatorship that's even more right wing than the one you're currently living in, that way you can be right wing like me.
Was that a quote from Adolph Hitler ? You should identify your source.
It was better during the USSR but I'm still a capitalist because I'm really, really stupid
What's stupid is calling a mafia state kleptocracy 'capitalism'.
Was that a quote from Adolph Hitler ? You should identify your source.
I am an original type of mother fucker. I can make my own quotes.
What's stupid is saying that a mafia state kleptocracy is 'capitalism'.
Sure, but it's perfectly reasonable to say that a mafia state kleptocracy is communism right? Oh and don't forget that those dumb communists will always say "it's not real communism" but unless it's a free market it really, actually isn't capitalism.
In capitalism money rules, the rich and the powerful are always the same people, and all industry and production are governed by what generates profit for the wealthy/ruling class. Kleptocracy is the very definition of capitalism.
I am an original type of mother fucker. I can make my own quotes.
Well I was hoping it was from Adolph Hitler, since the quote is retarded. Too bad about that.
In capitalism money rules, the rich and the powerful are always the same people, and all industry and production are governed by what generates profit for the wealthy/ruling class.
That's just a bunch of Marxist demagougary with no actual meaning to it. Commies will call anyone owning any object useful for production, a member of the 'ruling class' and the 'bougousie'. So this toxic marxist statement is a self-defined prophecy. In reality small-scale enterprise and farming have nothing to do with exploitation and it's impossible to run these buisennes effectively without owning land and the means of production.
Kleptocracy is the very definition of capitalism.
Kleptocracy is a regime that actively supresses the rule of law, and makes unconstitutional laws aimed at robbing the population - as is the case with Russia. Capitalism means free trade and freedom of enterprise, and by that definition Russia is not a capitalist state. Also, these traits are by far not the only ones defining Western democracy.
Caputalism means free trade and freedom of enterprise
Capitalism means that the means of production are controlled by private owners for profit and the more social construct points you inherit the more opportunity you have to control things. It is a hidden form of feudalism that has kept the same bloodlines wealthy for hundreds of years.
