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Uhh, NO on BOTH counts Yes on BOTH counts
Debate Score:24
Arguments:37
Total Votes:24
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Does a corporation HAVE a soul? Does it HAVE religious rights?

Hello:

Can it vote?  Can it own guns?  Can it be sent to prison?

excon

Uhh, NO on BOTH counts

Side Score: 15
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Yes on BOTH counts

Side Score: 9
3 points

Corporations are part of capitalism, which is good. But let's call a spade a spade. Corporations exist primarily so that people with wealth and power can be shielded from liability while they conduct business on a grand scale and draw in the additional financial support from smaller investors. That's their whole advantage over simply owning the whole enterprise as a private family business. If the corporation goes under then the corporation failed, not the individual directly. If the corporation does well it draws in additional finance from anyone and everyone, yet the handful who got in at the top still always maintain control in the weighted voting on what to do. Most of the time when a corporation gets taken over by another it's literally because the people at the top of it struck some sort of deal to get even richer by agreeing to leave or sell to the new top dog(s).

So a corporation is the exact opposite of having a soul. It's really just a very big and well funded straw man, which will try to get bigger, but then someday if it falters then the rich puppetmasters sneak away and all the little investors are left holding straw.

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

The Boston Boy just rants nonsense as those on the Left do.

Now without corporations how would you be able to buy those diapers , fuel for your car and groceries for your rug rats ?

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
Grenache(6053) Clarified
1 point

1) My first comment was they're a part of capitalism, which is good. Pay attention.

2) Your personal attacks and references to past info I shared about my life do not in any way counter the rest of my analysis on corporations.

3) You're paying awfully close attention to me outlaw. You fit 4 personal bits of data into two sentences. You may like to claim you're not paying attention to me but your posts prove otherwise.

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
John_C_1812(277) Clarified
1 point

It is unclear if there actually is a left and a right as the majority of people on either side appear to be following the adage take the money a run. The view seen as left and right is simple the different directions people run as they take a cut.

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
John_C_1812(277) Disputed
1 point

Your spade is a pawn and is part of a side not suit. Corporations exist primarily so that people with a desire to build capital can create a legal form of basic legal Separation inside an economy. The liability shield is from the 1st Amendment as the freedom of religion, speech and press as free meaning an application of the public made without self-value or organized impartiality.

Unlike democracy where the voter is tied to the governing laws and the voter can be incriminated as a criminal on a large scale, by how a public vote is cast. Ownership of the governing body is achieved by Bond purchase and the ownership alone, for the republic does not incriminate a person into the crimes committed by the democratic voter.

A corporation is a democracy with a different form of republic which requires a payment made, to Federal state with local state and/or corporation to obtain the power to vote as member, then own share. As the taxation when spent constitutionally is by order of law a payment made to insure basic principle and legal precedent of a judicial separation process is only meant for taxation as a common defense for legislators form the self-incrimination made by acts of the general public.

Side: Yes on BOTH counts
Grenache(6053) Disputed
1 point

For a corporation to have its own right and own vote it means the people who dominate the control of multiple corporations get sway on all those votes. It means a Trump type born to money and power may get many votes and many more compounded claims to rights that then eclipse me and any other regular citizen. This is just one more classic example of how conservatives have utterly sold out the lower and middle classes.

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
1 point

I feel like I'm missing a bigger picture here, what is this in reference to? Because if there's nothing and that's a legit question.....no a corporation does not have a soul, it's a non-living entity, however the people in the corporation are a different matter.

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
excon(18261) Clarified
1 point

Hello Mint:

It's an issue that's being considered by the Supreme Court.. Some baker in Colorado didn't want to bake a cake for a gay couple, so he REFUSED, saying his CORPORATION has religious rights.

Corporations, of course, DON'T have such rights for the very reason you cited. .But the court is chipping away at that precedence, with their Hobby Lobby decision, and maybe now with a new one..

excon

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
4 points

Ahhh I see. Well, I'm of two minds on this. Let me try to explain. I think a person has the right to refuse service, especially if a customer is being unruly. I do not believe a person has the right to refuse service based on another persons sexual preference, gender or race. I can see a mom and pop store's side to it though. If it goes against their belief, well.....for me that's a part of having to deal in public setting and a downside to doing business, but I do understand their hesitation. If it were me, wanting a cake and being denied service, well then that's it, I'll go someplace else who wants my business and rate my experience on social media. But places like Hobby Lobby denying their employee's birth control. Hm. That's a tricky one. Does Hobby Lobby get any government assistance such as tax credits and any business perks that are government related? If it does have involvement with the government and gets perks through it then they should cover birth control. Otherwise let the churches run the stores and they can pay for it all. Granted this is my feeling on the matter, I don't know enough about it to really make an informed opinion, just a feeling at this point.

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
0 points

What's up STUPID !!!!!!! You are so uninformed it is just hilarious !!!!!!!!!!!

Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc. is a private for-profit, closely held corporation, and an American chain of retail arts and crafts stores based in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, formerly called Hobby Lobby Creative Centers. The stores are managed by direct corporate hires.

So hey there STUPID if you can read Hobby Lobby can have religious rights because they are privately owned and don't have stockholders AND you are a 74 year old business owner LMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
1 point

I won't consider a corporation a "person" with the rights of a "person", religious or not, until Texas executes one!

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

Crazy AL you are saying that corporations don't have people with rights ????????

How does a corporation produce any consumable goods without people ????

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
2 points

You REALLY should learn how to read AND understand what you are reading. Good luck.

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
John_C_1812(277) Clarified
1 point

There is not one State in the Union including Texas which has not executed a Corporation. Several have in fact religiously sacrificed Corporations by simply just incorporating unconstitutional law. Not that this offer is politically or legally substantial anyway as a consideration, it does not form a commitment to impartiality.

its like a border wall with Mexico. Illegal and pointless as it is anything but maybe security by an expense and political ploy. A canal from gulf of Mexico to the pacific ocean on the other hand, has all legal precedent and requirements to gain control of all funding over a wall/fence. Jobs, Water, Electric, Transpiration, national security, and international necessity. All make it a priority over wall/fence when eminent domain has been illegally used. A wall/fence could have only been built privately it has very little overall State, National, or International purpose/necessity.

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
1 point

Yes on BOTH counts. Why is it so hard for the Left to understand ? A corporation has to have a soul because the corporation is made up of humans and humans have souls and oh no they also have religious rights.

Side: Yes on BOTH counts
excon(18261) Disputed
1 point

Hello poochy boy:

What if a corporation is made up of atheists.. Does it have a soul then?

Now, roll over... Gaaa boy..

excon

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts
1 point

Apparently not according to your logic.

Side: Yes on BOTH counts
John_C_1812(277) Disputed
1 point

Not that I disagree Outlaw but a Corporation is a 1st & 2nd Amendment right. A United States Constitutional right and a right by declaration of Inferenced to the pursuit of happiness and liberty. This describes a path from regulation of no self-value to regulation of self-value. The United States Constitution describes a corporation has a legal right to create/simulate soul.

Religion describes soul as a thing given to liberty in a life.

Side: Uhh, NO on BOTH counts

Grenache Separation of church and state is a burden of Government not corporation. It is by law the only private service government can perform without self-incrimination into a list of many crimes. As common defense a corporation can employ the use of S.C.S. A wording corporation is a declaration of a public separation, independence process that takes place with a purchase of a certificate or licenses.

Independence is a right of liberty for those who hold freedom. Freedom is not independence as it is by freedoms own negligence that is forcing self-value determinations on to other people. By fact people who may be at liberty.

Yeah they might get political sway. But, then you act as if the vote is an immunity from self-incrimination. If the entity is taxed outside of just the circle of ownership. It has been separated as a idevigaual of right by state.

As for born of money. Money is most effective when held impartial as a source to power. Over all this is not a corporation issue it was political. Shifting the axiom of the reserve bank would have kept the dollar impartial to inflation. Not increasing the volume of plagiarism by adding credit.

As for examples of conservative selling out. It is the wedge driven between middle and lower incomes from society by civil actions. those as Gay Marriage, Abortion, and plagiarizing the federal reserve dollar which have alienated wealth way. As these are criminal acts and the civil lawsuits never provided a common defense against the original crimes in question.

There was simple an additional law legislated by a governing body to fabricate crime in hope of justification to the breaking of a laws held by precedent.

Side: Yes on BOTH counts