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It IS for me Trump WILL get the job done
Debate Score:37
Arguments:27
Total Votes:42
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Doesn't look like we'll get a wall or Obamacare repealed. Is that good?

It IS for me

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Trump WILL get the job done

Side Score: 12
3 points

These are two arbitrary and unrelated issues except as two promises made by a a yellow snake oil salesman.

The Trump Wall, capable of being seen from space, was and is a joke, similar to the promise to have Hillary Clinton thrown in prison.

Obamacare is here to stay with only improvements made over the next few decades.

Side: It IS for me
Chinaman(3570) Disputed
1 point

Why does it take 20 years to fix a perfect policy put forth by Democrats.

Side: Trump WILL get the job done
Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
1 point

Ask the Republicans that. Why is it taking 20 years to create a better policy than Obamacare?

Side: It IS for me
3 points

I absolutely don't agree with a wall, that money could be better spent towards our education system and our Veterans. I don't mind if Obamacare is replaced with a BETTER program, but to repeal it just for the sake of repealing with no better options put on the table is foolish.

Side: It IS for me
foratag(257) Clarified
2 points

You do realize that illegals cost US taxpayers 85 billion dollars a year, do you not? That money can be better spent on our education system and our veterans, don't you think?

Side: It IS for me
excon(18260) Clarified
3 points

Hello f:

Actually, most of them work and pay taxes.. I have NO idea where you came up with that number.. In fact, because they can't file a tax return, the government gets to KEEP their over payments too.

excon

Side: It IS for me
Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
2 points

I too would like to see where you get those numbers. Not only do illegals pay taxes, such as property tax and sales tax, they work for pennies on the dollar in many businesses, such as the farming industry which can't always afford to pay them what most Americans would want to run or work at said business.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/10/06/how-much-tax-do-americas-undocumented-immigrants-actually-pay-infographic/#20f0a71de06c

Side: It IS for me
Chinaman(3570) Disputed
1 point

Health insurance was not a train wreck until Obama came along. It's foolish for you not to see the damage down by the failed policy. Are you part of the talking media heads that have no clue.

Side: Trump WILL get the job done
Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
1 point

As much as there are bad sides, there are also good sides to Obamacare, such as people who couldn't get insurance before now being able to. It wasn't a failure all around and there is certainly room for improvement which, as I said, I'm all for if the Republicans can actually put something forth that isn't worse.

Side: It IS for me
1 point

It would truly be nice to have something better thought out than Obamacare. But alas, there is not a single proposal from the Republicans that has thought it out "better." There are only crazy cuts which benefit the rich and stick it to the non-rich.

Do your jobs for the American people. Meaning come up with something that can persuade support across the board instead of something you just hope you can ram through with your voting bloc.

Side: It IS for me
1 point

It's clear by now that the Republicans are so dysfunctional that they can't get anything meaningful done as far as big legislation goes. And the bills they put forward to replace Obamacare were both terrible. Both of the last 2 bills were in reality nothing more than huge tax cuts for the uber rich at the cost of throwing millions out of health care coverage entirely.

At this point I'm pretty sure that anything the Republicans are for, I'm going to be against. Instead of trying to do anything for the American people they keep attacking one facet of Obamacare after another, obviously intending to cut so many legs off the chair that it will topple and then claim they were right all along that Obamacare was terrible.

Yes of course Obamacare isn't anywhere near a perfect system. They legislators knew that when they passed it. Social security was the same way when it was first launched, so was Medicare and Medicaid. Of course the Republicans tried to piss all over that legislation too, but it got passed anyway and was improved over time to become what it is today and nearly everybody loves it.

The same thing could be done with Obamacare but the Republicans are in such a frenzy to kill it because it has Obama's name on it that they'll do anything to sabotage it. Funny thing is, it was the republicans who came up with the name 'Obamacare' and were using it as a slur, but the name caught on after dozens of failed attempts to overturn it, shooting themselves in the foot every time, it's still there.

Another interesting tid-bit, Obamacare was modeled after Romneycare in Massachusetts. Romneycare was created by a right wing think tank in response to a health care bill that Hillary Clinton was pushing when she was first lady. The Republicans hated it because it had free riders and they didn't want any free riders (meaning people would be able not not pay for it but would get to use it anyway) so they invented Romneycare. Face it, the GOP'ers just despise Obama. Also there is the 2 santa clause theory at at work.

Supporting Evidence: The two Santa Clause Theory (articles.baltimoresun.com)
Side: It IS for me
0 points

Obamacare is one of the greatest designed failures in American History.Single payer which is government run healthcare will meet the needs of all Americans and politicians will run it so all should be good in the Liberal world.

Side: It IS for me
gauss(2) Disputed
2 points

I don't think that Obamacare can be called "one of the greatest designed failures in American History". It certainly has faults, but has never been fully implemented as "designed" due to obstruction by the right and that obstruction extended to blocking ANY necessary tweaks than would be normal in ANYTHING so complicated.

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Chinaman(3570) Disputed
0 points

No it was the perfect healthcare program so how can it have faults. Wanting a fully implemented Obamacare is government run healthcare and we know the politicians in DC know the healthcare needs of all Americans.

Side: It IS for me

Libs will bitch either way. That's what SJWs do. They bitch. If you gave them a million dollars in a bag, they'd squall because the bag was too heavy.

If there's a wall built, the leftist narrative is racism. If there's no wall, the leftist narrative is failure. The left just sits there with two outrages, waiting to see which version of fake disdain to shout others down with. Of course the old tactics aren't working anymore. The right has went full sticks and stones on the left and the left doesn't have a plan B for when slander, intimidation, shaming etc etc has no effect...

A lib can call me any one of the names on it's list. The word I'll call them back isn't on their list. And then I'll give them the adult to qnnoying child stare down, and a medal of honor waved in their face like a teeter totter. Good riddens...

Side: Trump WILL get the job done
5 points

Libs will bitch either way. That's what SJWs do. They bitch.

Oh please shut up you irritating neo-Nazi idiot. You claim the left "bitches" and yet every single minute of every day you are on here bitching about the left. You just wrote three paragraphs bitching about the left. Everything you say is the polar opposite of the truth. You're an absolutely massive hypocrite.

Side: It IS for me
gauss(2) Disputed
2 points

This post is pure propaganda. It uses nonsensical extremes (a million dollars in a too heavy bag) to support the unsupportable argument that "Libs" will complain no matter what. Then goes on to make the unprovable claim that the left, in general, is sitting around with imagined arguments that exist only in the authors mind. Anyone that's studied propaganda techniques recognizes this post as nothing more than text book propaganda.

The last sentence is a patent example of propaganda. "A Lib"; he starts out by calling a whole class of people the demeaning contraction of Liberal. Then takes the high ground of being the adult and calls the Liberal an annoying child; I guess they are annoying for unproven slander, intimidation, shaming, etc., etc. And substantiates this by slipping in his "supposed medal of honor" by waving it like a child's teeter totter. And he can't even spell riddance. In any case he uses a lot of words to say "Libs bad me good".

Side: It IS for me