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Donald Trump Hillary Clinton
Debate Score:35
Arguments:33
Total Votes:43
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Donald Trump Or Hillary Clinton?

We are fucked either way, but might as well choose right?

Donald Trump

Side Score: 17
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Hillary Clinton

Side Score: 18
3 points

Trump is not a proven criminal, Hillary is! Hillary is not deserving of our national security clearances.

It matters not how unskilled Trump is at running for a political office. This is what Americans always sad they wanted. They wanted an American not tied to big corporate money, not tied to corrupt politics. We need a change from our nation's death spiral.

So they finally got an outsider and what do they do? Democrats STILL want to vote for a criminal! Democrats have proven they lack the most basic of character and honesty. They stand for NOTHING other than their own selfish lives, or their extremist ideology.

Trump stands for all Americans including law abiding Muslims and legal immigrants.

Democrats stand for their voting blocks!

Democrats have no problem stealing one man's money to give to people that will vote for them. That is pathetic corruption!

There are only three choices. Either vote for Trump, vote for a third party, or don't vote.

THAT'S IT! If you vote for Hillary, you are one traitorous excuse for an American.

Side: Donald Trump
gs54(27) Disputed
1 point

sorry but trump not paying his suppliers is criminal and bilking people out of there money in trump

university is criminal.

Side: Hillary Clinton
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

Get real! There is not a businessmen alive that has not gone through some displeased customer, and been accused of something. We have courts to decide these conflicts.

Please don't act the fool to compare the two!

Side: Donald Trump
Cuaroc(8829) Clarified
0 points

If you vote for Hillary, you are one traitorous excuse for an American.

Well looks like majority of Americans are traitors then.

Side: Donald Trump
CliqueBait(1) Disputed
1 point

As an independent (UK) observer, I see much more significant popular support for Trump but Hillary has the corporate establishment vote. It's simply misleading to describe that as a majority.

Side: Donald Trump
acgk16(4) Disputed
1 point

Then according to you we don't have the right to our own opinions which is protected by the constitution. I love my country but I can have a different opinion then others on how the country should be run.

Side: Hillary Clinton
gs54(27) Disputed
1 point

you throw around a term very loosely. do you fully know the difference between opinion

and a traitor.

you should stick to terms you know the definition of.

a difference of opinion does not make anyone a traitor.

in the future try using terms correctly or maybe not use those terms.

please state your opinions, you are entitled.

Side: Hillary Clinton
ghostheadX(1105) Disputed
1 point

No, favoring a candidate you personally don't like doesn't make anyone a traitor. Sorry.

Side: Hillary Clinton
2 points

Hillary Clinton obviously. Of course she has made mistakes and I'm not enthusiastic about it at all. However she has served as a first lady for 8 years, a senator, and a secretary of defense. Trump on the other hand has done nothing. He provides ideas that I do not agree with, and for the people who agree with his ideas, he has never been able to back them up with a plan. For example banning Muslims from the U.S. When asked how he would identify Muslims he said he would ask them if they were Muslims or not. That's just a flat out retarted plan. I don't like either candidates but Clinton is way more capable for serving as the next president.

Side: Donald Trump
ghostheadX(1105) Clarified
2 points

I don't support Trump but I think he's not articulating his logic correctly or the media isn't portraying it properly. Trumps banning outside Muslims FROM ENTERING the US and he's banning only Muslims that might be terrorists. He knows the honest Muslims will say they are Muslims, but I think what he means by that is he will have law enforcement agencies use them to find ties to other Muslims. From there they can begin infiltrating the community independently, but if people are interviewed that's an important part of the process. It helps get common answers to common questions, whether or not those answers are honest. This in turn would help law enforcement recognize whether or not someone was telling the truth more quickly, because as soon as enough private intel came in to determine it was a lie it would be recognized immediately. I don't think that the only step is to simply ask people if they are Muslims, unless he's going to use a lie detector test which is possible.

I think a better plan would probably be to just Google search Mosques and find them and force them to allow setup of security cameras that no one is allowed to tamper with. That might be more efficient because it would force Muslims to speak in some sort of code which would probably be quickly decoded by the FBI or any major intelligence agency.

I also think asking people if they are Muslims is a good step to take, just not a complete plan, because to be an FBI agent one has to be a fucking fantastic expert at telling when someone is lying. FBI agents are trained in the biology and psychology of lying, and know every technique for lying a normal person or even a trained liar could possibly use. So it might help evaluate individual members of the Muslim community to do so, but I agree with you that by itself that isn't a very good plan.

Side: Donald Trump
1 point

even though I will vote for Hillary Clinton does not mean that I am that enthused about her.

however when you compare her to Donald trump then it becomes an easy choice.

trump is completely unqualified to be president.

his temperament is that of a game show host. which does not lend itself well to be president.

he cannot control his mouth at all and have shown this to be true on several different occasions.

he tweets almost everyday and this is not something any president should do.

it has also become very clear that he does not think issues through.

I know his supporters will state to the contrary but he does not understand issues and does not think them through, which for any president is very bad.

take his often used phrase we are going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it.

first off mexico is not going to pay for any wall and we cannot make them do that.

next off if he actually looked at the border there many areas that any kind of wall simply cannot be built. there is a fence that already exists in several areas and the drugs runners simply tunnel under it. we will find these tunnels and destroy them but they will rebuilt very quickly.

again he has not thought this issue through.

he has stated that he knows more about isis then our generals know.

again a dangerous assertion since there is much our own generals do not know.

the issue of isis is very complex and is rooted in our invasion of Iraq.

he also shoots off his mouth about muslim refugees that are not vetted.

this is simply not true and extremely false. again he does think issues through or do basic research

if he did do real research he would find out that the vetting process is very good and is done across

many levels. next off we get a lot of help from the UN that does much vetting on there own and then we take over. these are facts which I understand that many will disagree with but facts are facts.

there is an old saying that states that people are entitled to there own opinion but not there own facts.

next off that trump talks about is his economic plan.

what would many Americans think if they found out that his own plans are drawn up by his own friends which are drawing up plans that simply will enrich themselves not help the majority of americans.

now I know the counter argument that Hillary is worse. possibly true but highly doubtful.

she understands the limitations of power and he does not.

with awesome power there also comes awesome responsibility.

this is something that again Donald trump does not understand.

he does understand tv media but making decisions in the white house is something altogether

different.

here is another tweet from trump that he may not help another nato partner out in a crises.

this is the most dangerous statement that he has ever made.

because putin would not love anything more than to have a green light and go after the Baltic states.

there will be people that would not any such thing.

do not bank your lunch on that. if you give putin an opening he may take it.

do we want to really find out on the wrong side of a shooting match.

now I know some will say that we gave him the crimea and the Ukraine.

this just simply show a lack of knowledge on both subjects.

crimea has always been a part of Russia or with in its direct sphere of influence.

Russian by birth or by culture or language makes up the vast majority of its citizens.

the land was given to the Ukraine but only as a gift because Russia took land from the Ukraine.

the Baltic states were taken and put in to the ussr by stalin mostly because he could do just that.

but the real fact is they were always there own countries.

besides if you give up the Baltic states and can guaranty that he wants Poland a lot more.

these are many issues that trump simply does not know or does want to know.

and if you needed any more reasons simply look at how he does business and how he does not pay companies that do work for him, simply because he has more high powered lawyers than they do.

Side: Hillary Clinton
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

You are everything that is wrong with America. You look the other way because you want free stuff from others! You take a PROVEN CRIMINAL, a person who supports NO RESTRICTION abortions, a person who kept her daughter around an accused rapist by a number of women, a man who has had purportedly 100 affairs.

Hillary stayed with him for her power hunger, not her child's best interest.

I'm ashamed we have so many immoral Americans who do not care that the Democrat party supports the right to kill a healthy unborn Baby one week or one day from birth, FOR ANY REASON!

You are an immoral person along with all the others who would elect these inhuman politicians.

If you don't like Trump...DON'T VOTE, OR VOTE FOR A THIRD PARTY! YOU ARE A TOTAL PHONEY WHO WILL VOTE FOR A CORRUPT CRIMINAL!

Trump has a hard work ethic of getting things done rather than doing what big money tells him to do. He has convictions to do what is the right thing to do. Our Government is broken! It is lost in poitical correctness rather than what's best for this nation. WE NEED DESPARATE MEASURES TO CHANGE THE DOWN FALL OF THIS NATION!

Side: Donald Trump
gs54(27) Disputed
1 point

my question to you is who appointed you the moral judge for America.

abortion is a complicated issue and much deeper than killing babies to use your own words.

I support a womens right to choose, if that bothers you to bad.

but a women has the right to run her own life and her own reproductive system

you can run yours but please do not presume to tell others how to think.

nobody appointed you god and never will.

trump by the way has no record of working hard except not to pay sub contractors and then sending

an army of lawyers after them. very nice how he puts long standing family owned business out of business because he refused to pay them and hid behind an army of lawyers.

this is scum and that is a fact.

one more point this nation is strong and the economy is running better than any country in the world. to hear trump talk somebody would think the country is falling apart .

nothing could further from the truth.

unemployment is half of what it was eight years ago.

hardly a sign of weakness.

no we do not a clown like trump at all.

Side: Hillary Clinton
gs54(27) Disputed
1 point

first of all I work harder than you so do not tell me about not working hard.

next off you say that trump is not a proven criminal. well sorry to burst your bubble but the Clintons are not either.

a proven criminal is somebody found guilty in a court of law.

that has not happened. so there for you are wrong and your definition is wrong as well.

please try sticking to facts, that can be proven.

anything else is simply your own opinion, to which you are entitled to.

however opinion and proven in a court of law are two very different issues.

Side: Hillary Clinton
0 points

At least with Clinton we truly know what we're getting. She has lived in the White House, she has been Secretary of State, she has been Senator, and all her shadiness has already pretty much been dragged out into the light.

With Trump we get an egomaniac, bigot, hothead, con artist, flipflopping liar extraordinaire, with enough skeletons in the closet to belong on Jerry Springer.

Side: Hillary Clinton