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 Doug Jones victory over Roy Moore - I'm not sure I'm ok with it (35)

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Doug Jones victory over Roy Moore - I'm not sure I'm ok with it

I was secretly wishing that Roy Moore would win, which would have been a nightmare for Republicans and that nightmare would have positively affected the 2018 elections for Democrats. 
But apparently Doug Jones has won and maybe that's better for the country at least in the short term.  Hopefully he'll help defeat the GOP tax bill and fight against anything Trump is in favor of.
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3 points

It actually gives me a sense of relief that some righties don't have their heads so far up their bum that they'd vote for a pedophile after they voted for a President who admitted to assaulting women. I was getting a little worried about society for a bit, glad there is SOME kind of limit they won't let a person in power cross.

marcusmoon(343) Disputed
1 point

Mint,

Normally you don't come off as an enemy of due process.

What happened?

Amarel(2534) Clarified
1 point

“Innocent until proven guilty” is a legal concept, not a literal reality. Credible allegations are enough for voting, though not convicting.

Mint_tea(2628) Clarified
1 point

You know what? That is a fair question.

What concerns me isn't that there was A claim against him, there are multiple with many that have stories and examples of events that are just enough to tip me over the edge to thinking he did some of the things he's accused of. Thankfully with voting, as someone else said, I don't have to prove beyond a reason of a doubt, but it troubles me when there are multiple accusers with some pretty common theme's of his actions, who had no relation or reason to communicate with one another before they came out to accuse.

I can not condone putting someone in a higher position of power if there is suspicion that they will abuse that power. Now is there enough evidence to remove him from his current position? We'll see, but elevating him during this is wrong.

FromWithin(5700) Disputed
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ROFLOL, you hypocrites are such a waste of time.

So now according to fools on the Left, a person is guilty until proven innocent! Moore is accused of something from the past, and just now as he is running for office it comes out. Gee, does that smell funny?

One thing Conservatives know for a FACT, is that the Democrat Party supports NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS.

That is not accusations, that is fact!

So on a scale of priorities, which is worse. Accusations of sexual misconduct years ago and only now being used as a political tool,

or, the facts that the Democrat Party keeps No Restriction abortions, for healthy viable unborn babies, legal up to birth.

Yes, Republicans side with life and death issues verses accusations of sexual misconduct from decades ago.

Republicans understand priorities in life.

Lets see, which is worse..... an accusations of sexual misconduct years ago, or supporting the murder of even viabe specal needs babies.

Hmmmmmmm, that's a hard one...... for Democrats it's a hard one that is!

The next time they parade Special Olympic children around a track field, I want you to rememer you would rather support killing them for being different and diverse, verses voting for someone accused of past sexual misconduct.

You said.....

"I was getting a little worried about society for a bit, glad there is SOME kind of limit they won't let a person in power cross."

Im still waiting for your limit! Killing viable babies for any reason just never quite makes your a limit. How sick a hypocrite you are.

Mint_tea(2628) Disputed
3 points

Did you seriously just copy and paste your argument to another person here as well then add on another little bit of nonsense at the end to pretend it's new?

Republicans understand priorities in life.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So basically you are saying it's ok for a rapist to get away with it if there has been some time in between. Good to know.

Killing viable babies for any reason just never quite makes your a limit.

We've gone over this enough times, refer to any of the other dozens of arguments we've had that I've corrected you on this line of thought and speak to the debate at hand now. You don't get to smoke screen everything with your repetitive rhetoric.

If you don't care that there are accusations that someone in power raped a woman/women/minors to the point where there is enough evidence to start really looking into it, then you have to stop pretending like you give a damn about people.

Seriously though, it must burn you that copied debates are more popular since you've banned everyone and have to come here to repeat yourself.

It's pretty disturbing that 91% of Republican voters in Alabama voted for a pedophile. "Party of family values" my ass.

marcusmoon(343) Disputed
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It's pretty disturbing that 91% of Republican voters in Alabama voted for a pedophile. "Party of family values" my ass.

Waving around emotional words like pedophile and disturbing mischaracterizes the nature of the decision the voters of Alabama had to make, all in the absence of any due process.

Your judgmental pseudo-morality indicates either that you have not actually recognized the complexity of this core issue, or that you do not value due process.

Moore was accused after over 30 years and denied the accusations. That leaves the question of whom to believe.

Believing women just because they are women is just as irresponsible and sexist as believing men just because they are men.

The timing and obvious political stakes make skepticism regarding all parties' statements (both accusations and denials) a sensible and responsible stance.

I understand people playing it safe by not voting for him.

I understand people playing it safe by voting for him.

None of them have any way to know what the truth of the matter is.

This brings us back to the necessity of due process.

Without it, even you could be harassed, hounded, denied jobs and other opportunities, regardless of your denials that you never did what you were accused of.

It may be that the 91% if Alabama Republican voters you so thoughtlessly denigrate voted the way they did because they believe in your right to due process.

EldonG(553) Disputed
1 point

Yes, they chose party, and a man banned from the mall, over a man that prosecuted members of the KKK that firebombed a church. Fortunately, we don't as desperately need to know if Moore was guilty - he lost.

He was a crap candidate to begin with, clearly racist and far out of step with reality, but they still supported him.

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"That leaves the question of whom to believe. Believing women just because they are women is just as irresponsible and sexist as believing men just because they are men."

Who said anything about believing them "just because they are women?" Their sex is irrelevant. I don't believe them "because they are women," I believe them because...

1. Moore has been caught lying about it multiple times.

2. There is evidence to back up some of the women's claims.

3. Moore has a history of going after young girls.

FromWithin(5700) Disputed
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EldonG(553) Disputed
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Hypocrisy? As an atheist, I can see the value of a man that went after scum that firebombed a church, but you think the man banned from a mall represents your religion better.

2 points

Hello R:

I too, thought the Republicans would DESTROY themselves QUICKER if they elected Moore, and I was looking forward to it...

But, I have no doubt that it'll happen in any case... This was a harbinger of things to come.. The Republicans are in a death spiral, and I LOVE it.

excon

2 points

I'm not a democrat, but I have to admit feeling a bit better every time the republican party gets beat. Yeah, I get where you're coming from, but Doug Jones is a decent guy, if he can just avoid corporate ownership. I'm from the deep south, and the KKK is about as repulsive as any other terrorist organization.

2 points

Actually the fact that African Americans, the young, and the college educated voted so polar opposite of the white population must be scaring the crap out of Republicans and conservatives. Which is something I've said many times on this site - the future belongs to all these groups the conservatives are trying to screw in the present. Sooner or later (and make that sooner), those groups are going to figure out they can mobilize and put the dinosaurs in their place.

2 points

Me too, my friend. Mr. Moore allegedly is a pedphile, and is not a moderate, so he can fuck himself....................................

It's also better in the long term. Your aim shouldn't be to sabotage the opposition but simply to uphold your own.

Rusticus(363) Disputed
1 point

I disagree, in the long term Roy Moore in the Senate would mean more GOP losses in 18 which could turn over the Senate to the Democrats. But this tax bill is so nasty, if this election means killing it I'm ok with it. Then again killing the GOP tax bill would put the GOP in a panic which is always good. I admit I'm conflicted.

marcusmoon(343) Clarified
1 point

What do you think is so bad about the tax bill?

It maintains the status quo for the bottom 50% of earners, who will continue to pay nothing in Federal personal income tax.

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ROFLOL, the Democrat Party FINALLY wins an election against some guy accused of sexual misconduct, and you people are acting like it means something.

WOW, TALK ABOUT GRASPNG AT STRAWS!