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Git 'em OUTTA here America is their home
Debate Score:205
Arguments:203
Total Votes:209
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Dreamers were brought here as children. Should they be deported to - who knows where?

Git 'em OUTTA here

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America is their home

Side Score: 71

They should be deported with their parents to exactly where their parents are from. Their parents chose to break the law and enter the country illegally. If I entered into China or Russia, they wouldn't give me citizenship and then give me checks as a reward. They'd send me back or worse because I'm not supposed to be there. Shall we take all the Russian dreamers Con? Shall we welcome them to flood into Alaska for citizenship? Hell, why not the whole world? The $20 trillion in debt will be able to hold and sustain another 350 million people, surely. Surely math and economics aren't real. Surely Social Security will fix itself as we influx more and more and more people onto the dime. Screw OUR children. They don't need a future or a system that isn't bankrupt.

1)Mexico is responsible for its own people, just as Russia and China are, and even the United States. We aren't responsible for Mexico's people. Their government is.

2)Mexico doesn't let the "dreamers" cross ITS southern border into Mexico because Mexico isn't responsible for another country's people.

3)Why would we reward someone for breaking our laws and entering our country illegally, whether from Russia, China, Pakistan, or Mexico?

4)The open borders dreamer ideology is piling more and more and more people into areas which already have way too many people infrastructurally and causing crime to go through the roof due to increasing how many people are in poverty and piling them on top of one another.

5)Who's to say ISIS doesn't enter Mexico, come here and have children with their wives, and now ISIS militants are citizens making money here, living here, and planning to shoot up your children's school in 3 months?

At what point do we get to enforce the law Con? Why do you think we have laws Con? Give us a magic number as to how many dreamers you think our system can support before there is no system left? Are the dreamers planning on fixing social security or continuing to give gangs more and more recruits as is what usually happens?

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
Quantumhead(749) Disputed
1 point

Bronto, stop upvoting your own shitposts, you slimy neo-Nazi cretin. You honestly remind me of the Gestapo agent in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Side: America is their home
1 point

Show me up voting any post. It should be easy if you are right. Then show my points count vs my total arguments counts. I'll wait....*

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
1 point

you slimy neo-Nazi cretin.

I like Jews. Liberals hate Israel, not us. Anything else clown?

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
excon(18260) Disputed
0 points

Shall we welcome them to flood into Alaska for citizenship?

Hello bront:

Your post suggest you don't know the history of the border.. I dunno why. You're from around there..

In fact, for the last 50 years or so, we welcomed the Dreamers and their parents. What??? When they reached the border, did they see a DO NOT CROSS sign??? Nooooo, they didn't.. They saw a HELP WANTED sign..

So, they went to work picking your lettuce, washing your dishes, making your beds, and taking care of your children.. Now, you wanna throw 'em out..

DUDE!

excon

Side: America is their home
3 points

In fact, for the last 50 years or so, we welcomed the Dreamers and their parents.

1)Back in the day, we had way less people, more room, and were building a country. Now we have an infrastructure that has been built, is crowded, and a welfare system that can't sustain itself.

2)They didn't see a sign, because there is no sign. They saw fences and border patrol.

So, they went to work picking your lettuce, washing your dishes, making your beds, and taking care of your children.. Now, you wanna throw 'em out..

Ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation Con? How noble of you to willingly ship minorities in to do the slave labor for you. How about the cotton Con? Is that why we need Mexicans up here? The cotton? Wanting Mexicans here as equals is one thing Con. Wanting them here as farm animals is quite another.

Now, you wanna throw 'em out..

No. I'd prefer we enforce our laws, and they obey our laws. Then there is no one to "throw out". If someone enters my house, It's not my fault if the cops toss them out. And if they know it's illegal, and put their child in that position, that is their fault, not ours.

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
3 points

When they reached the border, did they see a DO NOT CROSS sign??? Nooooo, they didn't..

Oh good. There is no DO NOT CROSS sign in Alaska. I can't wait for the Russians to flood in and have children in mass and take over our country as U.S. citizens. Talk about a Red Scare.

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
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In fact, for the last 50 years or so, we welcomed the Dreamers and their parents.

Which would suggest...

1)Even our open enemies can become citizens here if they can have a baby here. Makes sense.

2)That before 50 years ago, that was not our policy, and we can change it back and forth as needed and when we want.

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
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So, they went to work picking your lettuce, washing your dishes, making your beds, and taking care of your children.. Now, you wanna throw 'em out.

They aren't picking my lettuce, washing my dishes, making my bed, or taking care of my child. Throwing out someone that you never invited into your home is pretty normal logic.

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
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If we're talking about illegal immigrants of course they should be deported in accordance with the law. Immigration controls are necessary to the existence of any successful country. This is because uncontrolled population growth puts immense strain on healthcare, social programs, housing, employment etc.

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
excon(18260) Disputed
1 point

If we're talking about illegal immigrants of course they should be deported in accordance with the law.

Hello W:

It's true.. But you CAN'T start to enforce border law, unless you FIX the problems that were created when we DIDN'T enforce them.. That went on for years and years..

To pretend that these "illegal immigrants" just got here belies the truth.. We INVITED them into our country.. They did the work we didn't want to... It worked out fine. They are our friends and neighbors. Just throwing them out isn't going to solve anything.

excon

Side: America is their home
WinstonC(1225) Disputed
1 point

My point is this: there are laws in place regarding immigration and these laws serve a purpose. As such nations should enforce their laws regarding immigration.

I'm not so sure that "invited" immigrants are illegal immigrants? If they were permitted a temporary amount of time in the country to work then they have to abide by the terms they were given and leave at the end of that time.

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

SUPER STUPID you have to be PUNKED again !

http://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/immigrants-ignore-us-immigration-laws-because-obama-wont-enforce-them

You must pay attention you devoid of facts Leftist !

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
seanB(950) Disputed
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This is mythologizing. Most dirty work is carried out by illegal immigrants. Perhaps they aren't part of the official economic numbers, but they bring billions every year into a country. They're also not entitled to welfare. Without them, America would be worse off.

Second, what puts strain on public services more than anything, is a lack of funding. That lack of funding is an economic decision made by the government in charge. "It costs too much to have universal healthcare. It costs too much for social housing. It costs too much for welfare cheques". What this really means is: "we, the government, aren't prepared to invest sufficient quantities of money and manpower into these services. We, the government, aren't willing to force the filthy rich to pay their fair share. We, the government, aren't willing to improve educational access to allow poorer people to get out of their current socioeconomic demographic".

The single biggest cause of the immense strain on public services is the governmental decision to allow the services to be in a state of stress. This is arguably unavoidable in a country where more than fifty percent of the wealth is owned and operated by fewer than 30 individuals. Such inequality has drastic implications: it means mass exploitation through minimum wage labour; it means huge debts for anybody who seeks to get off the bottom rung of society; it means huge shortfalls in funds for public services; it means oligarchic employment standards; it means most wealth is inherited rather than "earned"; it means, to summarize, that there is an accepted culture of "not enough to go around".

There is far more than enough to go around, except that people are too brainwashed to believe otherwise. And who will fight for their rights if they refuse to acknowledge those rights can even exist?

Side: America is their home
1 point

This is mythologizing. Most dirty work is carried out by illegal immigrants. Perhaps they aren't part of the official economic numbers, but they bring billions every year into a country. They're also not entitled to welfare. Without them, America would be worse off.

Jobs Americans used to do have been taken by illegals, causing wages to go down. Thus no Americans do these low paying jobs. If the illegals were gone, Americans would go back to doing these jobs because they pay decent.

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
1 point

Second, what puts strain on public services more than anything, is a lack of funding.

Or the piss poor trade agreements put in place by Bill Clinton, but ya know, whatever...

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
1 point

There is far more than enough to go around, except that people are too brainwashed to believe otherwise.

There is? So why are so many Americans in poverty?

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
1 point

"It costs too much to have universal healthcare. It costs too much for social housing. It costs too much for welfare cheques".

Or... it's simply not the government's responsibility. It's these peoples' responsibility to go make something of their lives and quit making excuses and expecting handouts on someone else's dime.

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
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We, the government, aren't willing to force the filthy rich to pay their fair share.

They already pay 35% tax rate, hand out all of the paychecks, and deal out all the benefits while being the only ones taking risks. If they don't make a profit, you still get paid. They don't. The only way to get rich is to start a business. You didn't. That's your fault.

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
WinstonC(1225) Disputed
1 point

I said the following: "This is because uncontrolled population growth puts immense strain on healthcare, social programs, housing, employment etc."

While you point to other things which can and do place strains on these items, you don't at all address the truth of my statement. If the population of the U.S. doubled overnight would social programs continue to function? What would happen to unemployment figures and wages? What about homelessness? etc.

It's very interesting that you bring up wage rates considering that a major factor in rates of pay is the availability of labor. When the labor pool is larger wages drop because there is greater competition for any given job. The opposite effect: a vast increase in wages, was seen, for example, after the black death in England (Source 1,2). This was because most laborers had died in the plague and so labor was scarce and therefore more valuable.

Sources:

(1) http://www.ehs.org.uk/press/the-black-death-boosted-wages-for-men-and-married-women

(2) https://themedievalera.wikispaces.com/The+Black+Death+-+Economic+Effects?responseToken=7efa608212fb4fa8b44845617ffcb738

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
1 point

SUPER STUPID you are going to tell me that all the Illegal Wetbacks that enter the US are Dreamers ? SUPER STUPID have you any facts the Illegal Wetbacks are just Dreamer Children ? SUPER STUPID you are devoid of any facts because you can't produce them. Your Typical Leftist insanity shows you want open borders and all that cross the border are Dreamer Wetback Children !You are so STUPID in the title of your post you admit they are illegal !

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
excon(18260) Disputed
1 point

Hello poochy boy:

Wow... Sounds like you just got up.. Have some coffee.. I'm here for you..

Now, get this bone..

excon

Side: America is their home
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

Where are your facts SUPER STUPID do you have any on the Illegal Wetback Dreamers ?

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

STUPID you have no facts do you ? How surprising is that LMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here

ISIS' children were brought here as children. Should they be deported to - who knows where?

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
1 point

It depends on individual circumstances and should be dealt with that way. If their whole family is still together and the country they came from is not in ruin then they all should share a fate as a family. But if their nation is in anarchy and war, or they have next to no family left and are almost orphans, then give them a break.

Side: America is their home
excon(18260) Clarified
1 point

Hello G:

There are few families like that... The Dreamers younger brothers and sisters are probably ALL citizens..

excon

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
1 point

So we should bring in a mass influx of Russians into the United States because they are dreamers that want to destroy the United States. Makes sense. How about ISIS? Do their babies count? Do their dreams count? How about future gang members or future terrorists? Do their dreams count Con? With your ideology we can't carry a gun to protect ourselves, defend our borders to protect ourselves, have free speech to protect ourselves. Your clan's ideology demands we lay down arms, let in anyone, shut up, and just hope for the damn best. Screw our children. They aren't top priority on Con's list. It looks like they are dead last point of fact.

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
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What happens when the welfare system goes broke and social security is finally depleted Con? Then what? We'll have a nice dystopian hell hole to hand our children, and the Mexicans that wanted to come here legally, will have nowhere left to go because the Mexicans who wanted to buck the system destroyed it... and sadly... we let them. It's not these Mexicans fault. It's the Democratic Party and the mindless globalists' fault. They think laws are for... well nothing. Laws hurt peoples' feelings. Laws are racist. Laws are bad. Screw it. The debt will pay for itself. Who cares if we can't afford it. Maybe a magic unicorn will save us, feed us all, and give us all a million dollars out of the kindness of its magic heart.

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
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"There are few families like that... The Dreamers younger brothers and sisters are probably ALL citizens.."

SUPER STUPID you again show you have no facts !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

"Dreamers were brought here as children. Should they be deported to"

Did you miss that the Dreamers were illegal ? The author of the post has alluded to it !

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

So Boston Boy should it be that people that are in America illegally not be deported ? Are you saying that people that break the law should get a break ? Why are there laws or does America need laws ?

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

Could it be that laws only apply to Americans and not the Criminals that enter the country?

Side: Git 'em OUTTA here