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When you come across someone who has empathy for your situation, you can ask how they managed and find motivation in that if they were able to overcome the problem, so should you. And if they are still dealing with it, you can find comfort in knowing that you are not alone.
When you come across someone who has sympathy for your situation, they can't help and they come across as someone who doesn't believe in your ability to dig yourself out. This attitude robs you of your motivation to fight harder. This is why I am against welfare. Give the person money, sure, but if they are able bodied, make them work for it. Once their motivation is gone, it is harder for them to get it back and improve their lot. This lack of motivation is infectious, which can lead to generational welfare recipients.
This is why I am against welfare. Give the person money, sure, but if they are able bodied, make them work for it.
There are families with full-time working parents that are still on welfare. Empathy would also require understanding of the various factors that push families into welfare, not just factors that lead to abuse of welfare.
Your whole argument is directions on how to have sympathy without understanding. You are just claiming to have a better solution based on your sympathy without understanding. All you have shown is another way to fix a misunderstood problem.
Sweet, that's rare from you. I can't believe you would admit that you are wrong about helping the poor. This is like the third time you have been wrong.
The government has been doing it their way for decades. It hasn't worked. It's about time they try my ideas on how to help the poor so that you'll see... I am right.
You said that you have empathy for the poor, but you admitted that is is just misplaced sympathy. So, you were admitting you are on the wrong side of this debate. Choosing a different option from people who you think are not empathetic does not make you empathetic.
I couldn't agree more. I'm guessing that people don't like to express their own opinion because it may make them look stupid. I've tried to have conversations with people that should have a position on an issue without much luck. I was sitting in a restaurant next to a judge when the Supreme Court was debating whether nation health-care was constitutional, he avoided the question. Several other times I've confronted people with conversations that are in their area of supposed expertise only to be blown off. I believe people don't want others to know how little they really know. One has a better chance even on a debate website of being popular by not engaging in intelligent conversation and revealing just how dumb they really are.
It sucks that you couldn't get a response about something a judge should be able to discuss. It is worrisome that the judge doesn't have the ability to discuss the topics he is supposed to be an expert on.
Like I said, I find many so called experts unable to discuss topics in their find; this is scary. Just what is required to get a degree or work in a field? I have found electricians with degrees in electrical engineering unable to design relatively simple systems. 6 on your side (a Columbus, Ohio news broadcast) has a segment that focuses on businesses, they have taken working furnaces, undone one wire and hired people in the HVAC service industry to repair this furnace, most cannot fix the furnace. They have did this for several trades such as electricians, plumbers, etc. and they cannot find the problem and tell them they need new units. It is just amazing that someone educated, trained, etc. cannot handle basic task in their field.
I guess they are just experts on showing up to your house and installing new working units. Man, that is bad. It is so bad that there are services that tell you who is capable of doing their job.
It is so bad that there are services that tell you who is capable of doing their job.
The trouble with these type of services is that these guys can even con those that rate them and often do. Take Angie's list for example; If these guys install a new furnace (even-though you don't need one, but don't know this) then the customer rates them as A1, because they did a good job installing the furnace, cleaned up after themselves, were friendly, etc.
Another trick of the trade is to offer discounts through these rating companies where the rating company gets a kick-back.
Another trick is to pay for ad space with the ratings people. Motor Trend magazine used to favor Toyota cars all the time and they also had the largest amount of ad space in their magazine. Basically they bought good ratings.
There are several other cons that are used, such as the service with the 4 star rating is also owned by the rating company.
Then there is the flash factor also to consider. This is the company that looks flashier, must have more qualified people. The flash factor can easily be proved. Both a new car and a used car will get you from point a to b. Why do people pay more for something that does the same job? (Rhetorical)
Yeah, that is another factor. I somewhat disagree with your car analogy, since the way you feel while driving a car can vary greatly. But, there is a flash factor with many of the car choices available and are definitely used as status symbols instead of just modes of transportation.
Oh, finally sharing your real opinion, did that hurt? Your doubts don't dispute the facts. Doing something different than someone who only has sympathy does not mean you have empathy.
Are you saying that I am doing something different from someone who only has sympathy and that I'm calling that empathy? If so, you are going to have to define sympathy and empathy because I don't think we are using the same definition and you already seem to know my definition. You also have to define what it is that I'm doing different.
Are you saying that I am doing something different from someone who only has sympathy and that I'm calling that empathy?
Yes.
If so, you are going to have to define sympathy and empathy because I don't think we are using the same definition and you already seem to know my definition.
Yes, I know your definition of empathy - pretending to understand where someone is coming from.
You also have to define what it is that I'm doing different.
People with sympathy want to give money for nothing, you want to avoid giving money for nothing. That does not indicate whether you have sympathy or empathy.
Yes, you claim that someone with empathy will try to figure out how to help someone, but clearly in other debates all you think should happen is that people work for their free money. Plus, you think motivation is the only thing keeping people from becoming successful.
I don't know where I said that someone with empathy will try to figure out how to help someone. Maybe you read too much into what I said.
I do believe that people should earn their money.
It isn't that I believe that motivation is the only thing keeping people from becoming successful, what I believe is that without motivation, I don't see how you can become successful. Motivation is just one piece but it is an important piece AND I believe that by not requiring people to earn their money, you are actually stealing their motivation and thus one important component necessary to become successful.
I would agree with you if everyone who was on welfare wasn't working, but that isn't true. There are hard working people who go to work every day and they don't make enough money. Businesses aren't paying their employees enough money. The government can't fix that. But, they can try. If businesses don't fix the problem, the government will step in and we don't want that.
Yes, I believe that people on welfare should work their check (if they are physically able to work). I think that just telling someone, "Oh, you poor thing. Here's some money." robs people of the incentive and motivation to become productive members of society.
You misunderstood. Does it make sense for people who are being productive members of society to still need to get free money because they don't get enough from their job?
Yes, if they are being productive and still need help, sure. Like this one time I was really sick but I came to work anyway because I'm a dedicated, productive member of society and I wanted to do my part even though I was sick. Now, it's true that I played solitaire for 7 hours and only got one hour of real work done, but still...
Empathy tends to mean the ability get into another person and more fully understand them, so having empathy doesn’t necessarily mean we want to help someone in need, more likely a step toward compassionate action..
Sympathy on the other hand means compassion for another person and so more likely than not the implication is to act upon it to help them.
But how effective will the assistance be without understanding? Just because you feel sympathy and try to help does not mean you will succeed without understanding.
Perhaps we will just have to learn to empathic while we are being sympathetic then we will have empathic understanding while we provide compassionate sympathy...?
