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They are not for real! Help our planet!
Debate Score:58
Arguments:32
Total Votes:73
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Enviormentalists? Fact or Fiction?

Are they just freeloading off the government into making the public believe all the mumbo jumbo about global warming etc.?

They are not for real!

Side Score: 25
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Help our planet!

Side Score: 33

Enviormentalists are a fact of life. They do exist. I know it sounds scary but.... I see enviormentalists ;)

4 years ago | Side: They are not for real!
1 point

I do too but most I see are not to help the planet they are trying to make money , but I will admit there are a few people in this world that want to reduce the strain on our planet . :) I see where you are coming from. :)

4 years ago | Side: They are not for real!
1 point

All it takes is a little bit of research to see this is a total fallacy.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200806100748.html

http://www.uncommondescent.com/science/400-scientists-disputed-man-made-global-warming-us-senate-report/

Also, the hottest year on record is 1934. (Proof: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/347541/nasa_admits_that_1934_not_1998_was.html Confirmation: http://articles.latimes.com/2007/aug/15/ science/sci-temp15) )

It's all propaganda. Government trying to get control. There is nothing wrong with the enviroment. Sure, there's litter, but you don't see animals dropping dead everywhere, do you?

4 years ago | Side: They are not for real!
Mahollinder(897) Disputed Banned
4 points

All it takes is a little bit of research to see this is a total fallacy.

Here's why your evidence is mostly bullshit.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200806100748.html

1) cites a likely non-existent person who participated in, coincidentally, unidentified studies. Bunk

http://www.uncommondescent.com/science/400-scientists-disputed-man-made-global-warming-us-senate-report/

2) what does this number represent? Like a fraction of a percent of all scientists--and a lot aren't even in relevant fields? This is like pointing out that 1,000 Physicists disagree with the conclusions of Biologists about the diversification of life. Their point is immaterial and they need to step aside.

Also, the hottest year on record is 1934. (Proof: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/347541/nasa_admits_that_1934_not_1998_was.html Confirmation: http://articles.latimes.com/2007/aug/15/ science/sci-temp15) )

3) First, let's get this into some perspective. GISS made the correction 6 years prior to your news articles. it was in a 2001 update of a Hansen et al. paper correcting some of the data. It wasn't news by the time these papers reported more sensationalist tripe. Here's what the paper reports: The U.S. annual (January-December) mean temperature is slightly warmer in 1934 than in 1998 in the GISS analysis (Plate 6). This contrasts with the USHCN data, which has 1998 as the warmest year in the century. In both cases the difference between 1934 and 1998 mean temperatures is a few hundredths of a degree. The main reason that 1998 is relatively cooler in the GISS analysis is its larger adjustment for urban warming. In comparing temperatures of years separated by 60 or 70 years the uncertainties in various adjustments (urban warming, station history adjustments, etc.) lead to an uncertainty of at least 0.1°C. Thus it is not possible to declare a record U.S. temperature with confidence until a result is obtained that exceeds the temperature of 1934 by more than 0.1°C.

First, it's a comparison between 2 independent analysis and represented data. One from the USHCN and the correction by GISS. Further, the correction leads to no discernible difference between the past graphs and the current graphs. It would be like moving the dot representing Los Angeles on a map 1/100th of a centimeter to the left and then papers reporting "UNITED STATES MAPS WRONG EDUCATION IN PERIL!" a decade later.

It's all propaganda.

Only if you're ignorant.

There is nothing wrong with the enviroment.

Except for Ice-Sheets melting, oceans rising, planetary surface temperatures trending upward etc. etc.

4 years ago | Side: Help our planet!
0 points

Fiction. They have to keep us interested which usually means scared, or they are out of a job. They're just the same as all the other fear mongering demagogue outlets in the media. Do your own research and stop relying on people who are by definition gonna give you the run around.

4 years ago | Side: They are not for real!
4 points

I don't get what's so wrong about people trying to reduce pollution in the world. If there is such a thing as global warming then we've got a lot to be worried about and reducing pollution is an absolutely must. If there isn't global warming then we become more self-sufficient, self-reliant developed countries with less pollutants and a larger long term energy plan.

End of the day it's a win win situation.

4 years ago | Side: Help our planet!
aedm(98) Disputed
1 point

Then why would we think of that now and not when we started using oil and making cars , if global warming were real I would not have a foot of snow lying on the ground!?!?

4 years ago | Side: They are not for real!
jessald(1906) Disputed
2 points

Epic ignorance. Jesus Christ somebody get this kid a book.

We're not talking about the world turning into a desert overnight. We're talking about a change of a few degrees in average temperature. Not enough to create an obvious change in weather, but enough to melt the polar ice caps and cause sea levels to rise.

The consensus scientific opinion on global warming has been spelled out by the IPCC. Yes, you can find a few scientists who disagree with them, but you can also find hundreds of thousands of scientists who agree. They are highly qualified. They have integrity. They are careful with their words. There is no logical reason to doubt them.

Even if you think global warming is some kind of massive conspiracy, you can read their report for yourself. It's available online, for free. They have citations showing where they got every little piece of info, and those sources in turn state how they got theirs, and so on. Here's the report, in plain English: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf

4 years ago | Side: Help our planet!
Kinda(1639) Disputed
1 point

Lol THAT's your evidence that debunks the whole global warming theory?? That there's snow?

Your lack of knowledge on the climate change issue tells me one thing - not that you're retarded or stupid but you're American and right-wing. amirite?

4 years ago | Side: Help our planet!

Mumbo jumbo about global warming? Do you often dismiss conclusions reached by every major scientific organisation on the planet as mumbo jumbo?

I would be happy to discuss with you the science behind global warming-science that you appear to be very ignorant of.

So please, explain to me why you think global warming is mumbo jumbo...unless of course you're just parroting conservative talking points, in which case, please continue to spout bullshit with complete disregard for the facts.

4 years ago | Side: Help our planet!
JakeJ(3232) Disputed
2 points

I hate how you try to make it sound like all the scientists and all the smart people all believe in global warming. How convenient for you and your agenda. Well, it's not true.

Glenn Beck-Lord Monckton Debate Global Warming

4 years ago | Side: They are not for real!
jessald(1906) Disputed
2 points

I could debunk this, but it would be a waste of time. The IPCC's conclusions are agreed with by 99% of scientists. You can always find a handful of dipshits who will disagree with anything.

Why are you so eager to accept the words of a tiny minority against an overwhelming majority of qualified, honest experts? Sorry Jake, but I think you're being completely blind here.

And if you're going to object, do so with an unbiased third party. Glenn Beck is dishonest and deceptive.

4 years ago | Side: Help our planet!
Mahollinder(897) Disputed Banned
1 point

I know why I don't think he's telling the truth. Why do you think he's telling the truth?

4 years ago | Side: Help our planet!
1 point

I was very specific about who the proponents of global warming are: every major scientific organization in the world. Beck however conveniently decides to ignore this fact and bring in only those people who think that global warming is not happening.

I could talk to you about the MIT scientist that is referenced on this program, and why he has most certainly not "disproved" global warming. Seriously just ask and I'll do it (I'm not doing it now becuase it's 2 in the morning and I have to get up early), however this matters very little. What should be more revealing is the fact that Beck will immediately accept the minority viewpoint (minority is an understatement here) just because it is convenient for him to do so.

So without knowing any of the science, you there are two options: believe every scientific organisation in the world (including NASA, the people who put us on the moon) or this one guy who supposedly "disproved" global warming. Fortunately I do have somewhat of an understanding of the science, and therefore my decision is a little better informed, but I think you can see my point.

4 years ago | Side: Help our planet!
aedm(98) Disputed
0 points

Scientific my ASS scientists make up problems to make money ''freeloading off the government'' Global warming is their biggest excuse yet only a few things of what they say are real. For example pluto, pluto is one of the more popular planets and scientists decide to downgrade it to ''small planets group''? What the hell do you call that, its not a star ,its not an asteroid so its a planet! We have only been using oil for 200 years,the earth is bigger than your mom sooooooooooo now we worry about oil all of a sudden and oh no! Global warming! What in the hell? the earth was made to live on it is going through PP planet puberty its just changing and scientists see just a little glitch and BAM more money . so shut the hell up I know what I am talking about you apparently don't , PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE ASSHOLE!!

4 years ago | Side: They are not for real!
Mahollinder(897) Disputed Banned
1 point

Are you being serious? There's a part of me that's waiting for that winking Poe-smile.

4 years ago | Side: Help our planet!
asaweak(12) Banned
1 point

I feel the heat now, because of the Global Warming.

We should help our planet now!

4 years ago | Side: Help our planet!
aedm(98) Disputed
1 point

You are really dumb,sarcasm is what gets you banned on my debates!

4 years ago | Side: They are not for real!


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