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Equality in Nudity(?)

For starters, I am posting this as a result of a story I read about the proposed New Hampshire bill that would make it a misdemeanor for a woman to expose her nipple in public (only targets women).

Do you believe that women should be able to be topless within the same situations as men, or no, and why?

Note: I am referring to legality, not ability.

Yes, because...

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Sure, why not? Or, make it illegal for men to be shirtless in public.

The problem here is this idea that's ingrained in our minds that men physically don't have the self-control to be around a topless woman, but women have the self-control to be around topless men. It's definitely sexist, and demeaning to both genders.

Side: Yes, because...
ProLogos(2793) Disputed
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If it came into then existence then men will have boners all the time. Do you realize how awkward that is?

Side: No, because...
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Gay men don't get boners all the time, and it's legal for men to be shirtless in public.

Also, as others have said, the goal of this is to desexualize the nipple. Or/and, more importantly, provide equality between the sexes.

Side: Yes, because...
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A few things. One, that would only be a temporary issue, I think. If we as a society became more accepting of women being topless, we would gradually desexualize nipples and potentially breasts as a whole, at least to an extent.

Two, do you really think it's right that we relegate women to legal inequality simply because we don't want to feel awkward?

Three, that sort of state of awkward arousal can exist for women as well within comparable situations. Should we therefore make it illegal for us men to be shirtless?

Side: Yes, because...
Axiom(56) Disputed
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I'm sure those adolescent teens will grow out of it. We all know that young people get boners all the time at the smallest things, they always... mostly grow out of it.

Side: Yes, because...
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I believe women should be able to go topless if they want to. It's already okay if it's a form of protest since that is considered free speech. I don't understand why it's wrong when they are just laying on the beach or walking down the street.

Side: Yes, because...
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Some people find feet sexually arousing. Some people the tight clothing around toned muscles. I don't believe these should be banned, why go a step further and ban the nipple? They aren't a potential risk of disease like the genitalia.

I suppose when we look at creating or breaking laws, we assess the effects they have on the overall freedom of people. Does the nipple oppress people's freedoms? Are they oppressed more than having 50% of the population banned from being shirtless?

Side: Yes, because...
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No for societies that regard female breasts as sexually arousing, there is no practical need for these societies to alter this prohibition. There is no repression of freedom involved in covering female breasts. Women's rights groups are NOT calling for nipple acceptance. I will predict that if most of the women in our society suddenly decided to go topless men would quickly insist on an exemption for their mothers, wives and daughters, as well as several ugly females to be identified later.

Side: No, because...
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No for societies that regard female breasts as sexually arousing, there is no practical need for these societies to alter this prohibition.

Women find shirtless men sexually arousing. If that is the logic you are going to use, why should it not be applied equally? Additionally, part of the goal of this would be to desexualize breasts.

It's like saying that because men once found ankles provocative, there was no reason to make it legal for them to wear shorts.

There is no repression of freedom involved in covering female breasts.

Objectively there is. You might find it justified, but there is still a repression of freedom.

Women's rights groups are NOT calling for nipple acceptance

Have you missed the entire "Free the Nipple* campaign? It has been going on for a long time.

I will predict that if most of the women in our society suddenly decided to go topless men would quickly insist on an exemption for their mothers, wives and daughters, as well as several ugly females to be identified later.

And those men would be small minded morons attempting to exert control over the women in their lives.

Side: Yes, because...
daver(1771) Clarified
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Right ------ Tell that to your mom or your 16 yr old daughter 😕

Side: Yes, because...
Harvard(666) Disputed
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Side: No, because...
Harvard(666) Disputed
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Women find shirtless men sexually arousing.

You knew when you typed this that a shirtless man, and a woman's breasts are not comparable. Women's breasts are viewed as sexual appendages, as you have seemingly admitted in your counter-rebuttal to daver regarding this post. Additionally, a women

A man's sexual preferences are not equal to that of a woman's, and the sexual responses elicited when exposed to certain anatomical appendages or structures are also not equal. This is to say that women are not as wishful for the revelation of a man's chest as in the case of the inverse.

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All that aside, the thought of desexulaizing breasts in America is nothing more than a wishful endeavor. The litany of factors contributing to the sexualization of anatomical appendages cannot be pragmatically altered.

Further, the anatomical desexualization must come first lest there be unintended consequences. For example, breasts: If women going topless were legalized, without the desexulization preceding the law, then cases of sexual harassment (and potentially rape) would dramatically increase.

In addition to harassment, for your logic (regarding equality) to hold, you would need to extend these topless rights to underaged girls, which would have dramatic legal implications as voyeuristic photographers would grant easy access to underaged (photographic) porn - another legal structure that need be reformed under these conditions - as simply capturing a photo of a person, without their awareness, is not a difficult task.

Side: No, because...