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Supreme ultimate stupidity Pee
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Even if God exists, God doesn't exist

What is a god? It is a being with supreme dominion over something, this could include anything from a specific crop or natural phenomena, to the entire universe.
But what is dominion? It's a social construct, you can have control over something, but you can only have "dominion" or "authority" in the minds of sheep-like creatures who are susceptible to such conceptual programming. 
So if you think about it, even if a being exists with supreme power over everything, it is not God, because God is not what something IS it's what something is CONSIDERED by it's worshipers.
It's similar to any other position of authority, Donald Trump wouldn't be president if he wasn't recognised as president, being the president isn't something inherent about Trump, it is only what he is CONSIDERED TO BE WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF OUR SOCIETY.
Donald Trump is not the president, he is recognised as the president by those who believe in the social construct, in the natural objective universe he is just a person who is given that title because others believe in it inter-subjectively. 
Authority is not real, only control is real, and just because you have control over something doesn't mean other people have to kiss your ass unless they are programmed to do so because they are sheep, therefore Yahweh is not God even if he is real. Because God is not what something is in an objective sense, it's what you call something that has made you it's bitch.

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This entire argument is a contradiction because the person who formulated the argument is attempting to express dominion over another persons beliefs, values and opinions. And this argument is attempting to show they have supreme wisdom and intelligence. The argument against God has and will always be the writer knows better than anyone and everyone else!

You take a look at every argument trying to disprove the existence of God, God doesn't exist because, because of this, because of blah, and blah and blah. There are thousands of different arguments created to try and disprove the existence of Adonai.

Now here is some evidence against these nay-sayers:

- You have an entire nation whose heritage and history is spotted and speckled with evidence detailing acts of God.

- You also have an entire scientific community who have scrutinised the historic validity regarding the Bible. The scientific community has used textual criticism, archaeology, medicine, history and a slew of other science based resources. So this writer knows better than all these scientists too

- And then you have social communities who have experienced miracles, healings, prophecies, knowledge, wisdom the world over in today's day and age too.

- And then you have the hardest mystery of all to try and disprove; God Himself turn up as a man. His original name is Yeshua HaMashiach, but people today also refer to Him as Jesus Christ. There is blood evidence scrutinised by scientists. And they have diagnosed and determined the blood has a foundation impossible to possess, unless for one specific premise, He was born of a virgin and His chromosome numero viente cuatro came from another source other than a human male.

If the person who created this argument actually dug around for some evidence looking at both sides of the coin before going off on their little rant, they would have found some evidence which makes their current position look foolish. People are always going to think they know better when it comes to disproving the existence of Adonai. The truth of this person's position is very very dire indeed, because they only have themselves to look to for strength and support or to their fellow man. The problem is when you look to yourself for strength and support your like a wave tossed about in the ocean by the winds or if you look to another man for strength and support the person you look to will probably throw them under the bus just to get ahead, his bros will probably screw his missus too, and when he gets married his missus will screw around on him too. And then after all his pain and suffering and when he is old he will probably turn to Adonai and say why did you do this to me, I thought you were loving. The irony is he ranted off about God and then after all the pains, trials and tribulations he will take the audacious position of trying to talk to God to find comfort and solace. So all in all when he suffers his consequences and life has smashed him to the ground he will trun around and talk to God, so he's a hypocrit too.

Side: Supreme ultimate stupidity
Daegonius(329) Disputed
1 point

@Nomenclature

This entire argument is a contradiction because the person who formulated the argument is attempting to express dominion over another persons beliefs

Wrong again retard, I am simply claiming to understand things that they don't about objective reality because their beliefs happen to be wrong.

The argument against God has and will always be the writer knows better than anyone and everyone else!

You are being stupid on purpose. I don't know better than everyone, just people who are wrong about things that I am correct about. If you are going to say this simply because people disagree that God exists then it could be applied to any argument about anything universally including arguments FOR the existence of God. You know it alls think you know everything, how dare you tell me God exists!

You have an entire nation whose heritage and history is spotted and speckled with evidence detailing acts of God.

Which nation? Which God? There are multiple cultures with "proofs" of their Gods, in reality all of these "proofs" are pure bullshit and all religions are the product of the culture they arose from.

You also have an entire scientific community who have scrutinised the historic validity regarding the Bible.

Yes, and some things have been found to be historically accurate, others are known to be bullshit, and many of it there is no consensus on.

And then you have social communities who have experienced miracles

Ok that's it, I'm done wasting my time with this hogwash poppycock drivel.

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qcsampling(34) Disputed
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Wrong again retard, I am simply claiming to understand things that they don't about objective reality because their beliefs happen to be wrong.

You think you know about objective reality better than anybody else? And how do you know their beliefs are wrong? You're the idiot with the wrong beliefs. If you think you know about objective reality, tell me how this happened "objectively"? A lady who has been dead for 130 years and she has "NOT" decayed in the slightest bit. Here is a link to her photo http://bit.ly/2GWByKI.

And here is another fact you little snake, you wouldn't know what is right or wrong if you had the manual to help you tell the difference. Wouldn't matter anyway because you wouldn't know how to understand it.

And here is another fact: What about Dr Heidi Baker who has personally seen impossible to explain miracles in the country of Africa? Here is a link to a video: http://bit.ly/2BjDc8y

Or what about Kathryn Kuhlman and the miracles and ministry she operated? Then you have the likes of Smith Wigglesworth, who himself raised 17 people from the dead (including his own wife), maimed people received their body parts back. Then you have Margy Palm and Stephen Peter Morin, Katie Souza, Steve and Pam Johnson - their 2 year old daughter was murdered and then 12 hours after being dead she comes back to life, who is as far as known 14 years old, perfectly healthy no problems, mentally physically or emotionally. Carol Kornacki and the list goes on and on and on.

You are being stupid on purpose. I don't know better than everyone, just people who are wrong about things that I am correct about. If you are going to say this simply because people disagree that God exists then it could be applied to any argument about anything universally including arguments FOR the existence of God. You know it alls think you know everything, how dare you tell me God exists!

GOD EXISTS!!! I will tell you and I will tell you a thousand times. But you are a deluded fool who still thinks you know better than everyone else, you don't even bother to look for evidence to prove your right! There are more miracles happening in todays day and age than anytime else. But why don't you go out there and look for it, because you're an idiot and lazy.

Which nation? Which God? There are multiple cultures with "proofs" of their Gods, in reality all of these "proofs" are pure bullshit and all religions are the product of the culture they arose from.

Yeah, where is the proof? The only nation to show proof about the existence of God is Israel. And then there is the death and resurrection of Yeshua Hamashiach. You have Israel and the Exodus from Egypt, you have the Israeli nation walking the desert for 40 years, you have Noahs flood. You have the miracles Yeshua did himself - historical fact!

There are more evidence and facts in all the world to make a liar out of you any time of the day and any day of the year. Go bury your head in the sand, you're just like all these other idiots who think they know better.

Side: Supreme ultimate stupidity
qcsampling(34) Disputed
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Part A) I am simply claiming to understand things that they don't about objective reality because their beliefs happen to be wrong.

Part B) I don't know better than everyone, just people who are wrong about things that I am correct about.

My Argument: The argument against God has and will always be the writer knows better than anyone and everyone else!

You prove my argument by trying to disprove my argument. Are you stupid?

Which nation? Which God? There are multiple cultures with "proofs" of their Gods.

If there are multiple nations with proof about their god, give me another example other than Israel? And proof about the existence of God? Yeshua Hamashiach was God incarnate! Disprove this satatement.

Some things have been found to be historically accurate.

Which parts are historically accurate? I say all of history in relation to the Tanakh is and will always be historically accurate including but not limiting to the miracles contained within.

I'm done wasting my time with this hogwash poppycock drivel.

Four statements to get to the depth of your understanding? You're not even worth arguing against because the depth of your understanding and knowledge base is as shallow as a puddle. Go and read a thousand books about Jesus Christ then come back and argue other wise your a waste of time.

Side: Supreme ultimate stupidity
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The essence of the atheistic position is that they take themselves as being God.

Theologically speaking, this is called Satanism.

To those with discernment, this couldn't be more obvious.

There is no argument that can successfully undermine God, and to think this is possible even is foolishness.

Side: Supreme ultimate stupidity
Daegonius(329) Disputed
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The essence of the atheistic position is that they take God to not exist at all, therefor they couldn't possibly consider themselves as being God if they are legitimate atheists..

Theologically speaking, this is called the principle of you're a retard go fuck yourself.

To those with discernment, this couldn't be more obvious.

There is no argument that can successfully undermine the fact that 99% of the people that believe in God are scientifically illiterate clueless imbeciles who can't even tell the difference between objective and subjective.

Side: Pee

Are you an atheist or agnostic or deist?......................................................................

Side: Supreme ultimate stupidity
The_Eye(63) Disputed
2 points

He's an agnostic atheist. And he was banned a long time ago. That's why he created this account.

Side: Pee

I can keep a secret. What was the story behind that screenname?.................................................

Side: Pee
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"What is dominion? It's a social construct, you can have control over something, but you can only have "dominion" or "authority" in the minds of sheep-like creatures who are susceptible to such conceptual programming."

Definition of authority from Merriam-Webster...

"power to influence or command thought, opinion, or behavior"

Omnipotent literally means "All influence".

"So if you think about it, even if a being exists with supreme power over everything, it is not God, because God is not what something IS it's what something is CONSIDERED by it's worshipers."

Yeah, that is why the name God gave to Moses is "I AM THAT I AM".

"Authority is not real, only control is real, and just because you have control over something doesn't mean other people have to kiss your ass unless they are programmed to do so because they are sheep, therefore Yahweh is not God even if he is real. Because God is not what something is in an objective sense, it's what you call something that has made you it's bitch."

Whether or not you call The Supreme and Ultimate Reality God doesn't change the fact that this is your God. It is not necessary to kiss God's ass at all. All of creation glorifies God. In fact, God is glorified even through your weakness.

There is no argument that stands against God, and you are a fool if you believe otherwise.

Side: Supreme ultimate stupidity
Daegonius(329) Disputed
1 point

power to influence or command thought, opinion, or behavior"

Omnipotent literally means "All influence"

THOUGHT, OPINION, AND BEHAVIOUR. Authority is a social construct. If no one believes you have authority, then you don't have authority, therefore no one has authority, people only think they have authority.

I AM THAT I AM

The most meaningless and redundant thing anyone has ever said.

Whether or not you call The Supreme and Ultimate Reality God doesn't change the fact that this is your God.

Godhood is a social construct, God isn't what something is, God is what something is considered.

It is not necessary to kiss God's ass at all.

It is if you want to go to heaven.

All of creation glorifies God. In fact, God is glorified even through your weakness.

So in other words God can only feel good about himself by creating flawed beings and laughing at how inferior they are. If I was God I would want to create the most magnificent reality possible, because since I am God it's not like I could create something that would be a threat to me no matter how supreme it was. I would be glorified by creating the most intelligent and perfect creatures I could, I would want to create a supreme and ultimate reality, but instead the God we have creates sinful and ignorant sacks of shit, piss, and mucus who live in a world of scarcity, disease and tyranny and feels good about himself when he looks at how lowly they are.

you are a fool

If you believe this universe is anything but a series of field modalities and quantum fluctuations. The greatest proof of this is mankind, the self aggrandizing feces machines who can't even tell the difference between their own subjective contrivances and universal truth. God is nothing but mankind projecting their own subjectivity onto the universe. We make reality a "he" rather than an "it" because human thoughts are based on subjectivity and personal feelings and reactions rather than anything tangible. This is why we must subjectivize the universe and make it a person with thoughts and feelings.

Side: Pee
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I'm not sure your argument makes sense if you replace the word "God" with something like "Yahweh." I think your argument applies to gods, that is with a lower case "g." God with a capital "G" is just a name given to Yahweh.

Side: Pee
1 point

Dude you busted the first rule of philosophy: something cant not exist and exist at the same time

Side: Pee
Grenache(6053) Clarified
1 point

You make a valid point.

You also make spelling and punctuation errors.

Side: Supreme ultimate stupidity
cruzaders(325) Disputed
1 point

I bet your french is not as good as my english .

Side: Supreme ultimate stupidity