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Even if God exists, God doesn't exist
What is a god? It is a being with supreme dominion over something, this could include anything from a specific crop or natural phenomena, to the entire universe.
But what is dominion? It's a social construct, you can have control over something, but you can only have "dominion" or "authority" in the minds of sheep-like creatures who are susceptible to such conceptual programming.
So if you think about it, even if a being exists with supreme power over everything, it is not God, because God is not what something IS it's what something is CONSIDERED by it's worshipers.
It's similar to any other position of authority, Donald Trump wouldn't be president if he wasn't recognised as president, being the president isn't something inherent about Trump, it is only what he is CONSIDERED TO BE WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF OUR SOCIETY.
Donald Trump is not the president, he is recognised as the president by those who believe in the social construct, in the natural objective universe he is just a person who is given that title because others believe in it inter-subjectively.
Authority is not real, only control is real, and just because you have control over something doesn't mean other people have to kiss your ass unless they are programmed to do so because they are sheep, therefore Yahweh is not God even if he is real. Because God is not what something is in an objective sense, it's what you call something that has made you it's bitch.
This entire argument is a contradiction because the person who formulated the argument is attempting to express dominion over another persons beliefs, values and opinions. And this argument is attempting to show they have supreme wisdom and intelligence. The argument against God has and will always be the writer knows better than anyone and everyone else!
You take a look at every argument trying to disprove the existence of God, God doesn't exist because, because of this, because of blah, and blah and blah. There are thousands of different arguments created to try and disprove the existence of Adonai.
Now here is some evidence against these nay-sayers:
- You have an entire nation whose heritage and history is spotted and speckled with evidence detailing acts of God.
- You also have an entire scientific community who have scrutinised the historic validity regarding the Bible. The scientific community has used textual criticism, archaeology, medicine, history and a slew of other science based resources. So this writer knows better than all these scientists too
- And then you have social communities who have experienced miracles, healings, prophecies, knowledge, wisdom the world over in today's day and age too.
- And then you have the hardest mystery of all to try and disprove; God Himself turn up as a man. His original name is Yeshua HaMashiach, but people today also refer to Him as Jesus Christ. There is blood evidence scrutinised by scientists. And they have diagnosed and determined the blood has a foundation impossible to possess, unless for one specific premise, He was born of a virgin and His chromosome numero viente cuatro came from another source other than a human male.
If the person who created this argument actually dug around for some evidence looking at both sides of the coin before going off on their little rant, they would have found some evidence which makes their current position look foolish. People are always going to think they know better when it comes to disproving the existence of Adonai. The truth of this person's position is very very dire indeed, because they only have themselves to look to for strength and support or to their fellow man. The problem is when you look to yourself for strength and support your like a wave tossed about in the ocean by the winds or if you look to another man for strength and support the person you look to will probably throw them under the bus just to get ahead, his bros will probably screw his missus too, and when he gets married his missus will screw around on him too. And then after all his pain and suffering and when he is old he will probably turn to Adonai and say why did you do this to me, I thought you were loving. The irony is he ranted off about God and then after all the pains, trials and tribulations he will take the audacious position of trying to talk to God to find comfort and solace. So all in all when he suffers his consequences and life has smashed him to the ground he will trun around and talk to God, so he's a hypocrit too.
This entire argument is a contradiction because the person who formulated the argument is attempting to express dominion over another persons beliefs
Wrong again retard, I am simply claiming to understand things that they don't about objective reality because their beliefs happen to be wrong.
The argument against God has and will always be the writer knows better than anyone and everyone else!
You are being stupid on purpose. I don't know better than everyone, just people who are wrong about things that I am correct about. If you are going to say this simply because people disagree that God exists then it could be applied to any argument about anything universally including arguments FOR the existence of God. You know it alls think you know everything, how dare you tell me God exists!
You have an entire nation whose heritage and history is spotted and speckled with evidence detailing acts of God.
Which nation? Which God? There are multiple cultures with "proofs" of their Gods, in reality all of these "proofs" are pure bullshit and all religions are the product of the culture they arose from.
You also have an entire scientific community who have scrutinised the historic validity regarding the Bible.
Yes, and some things have been found to be historically accurate, others are known to be bullshit, and many of it there is no consensus on.
And then you have social communities who have experienced miracles
Ok that's it, I'm done wasting my time with this hogwash poppycock drivel.
Wrong again retard, I am simply claiming to understand things that they don't about objective reality because their beliefs happen to be wrong.
You think you know about objective reality better than anybody else? And how do you know their beliefs are wrong? You're the idiot with the wrong beliefs. If you think you know about objective reality, tell me how this happened "objectively"? A lady who has been dead for 130 years and she has "NOT" decayed in the slightest bit. Here is a link to her photo http://bit.ly/2GWByKI.
And here is another fact you little snake, you wouldn't know what is right or wrong if you had the manual to help you tell the difference. Wouldn't matter anyway because you wouldn't know how to understand it.
And here is another fact: What about Dr Heidi Baker who has personally seen impossible to explain miracles in the country of Africa? Here is a link to a video: http://bit.ly/2BjDc8y
Or what about Kathryn Kuhlman and the miracles and ministry she operated? Then you have the likes of Smith Wigglesworth, who himself raised 17 people from the dead (including his own wife), maimed people received their body parts back. Then you have Margy Palm and Stephen Peter Morin, Katie Souza, Steve and Pam Johnson - their 2 year old daughter was murdered and then 12 hours after being dead she comes back to life, who is as far as known 14 years old, perfectly healthy no problems, mentally physically or emotionally. Carol Kornacki and the list goes on and on and on.
You are being stupid on purpose. I don't know better than everyone, just people who are wrong about things that I am correct about. If you are going to say this simply because people disagree that God exists then it could be applied to any argument about anything universally including arguments FOR the existence of God. You know it alls think you know everything, how dare you tell me God exists!
GOD EXISTS!!! I will tell you and I will tell you a thousand times. But you are a deluded fool who still thinks you know better than everyone else, you don't even bother to look for evidence to prove your right! There are more miracles happening in todays day and age than anytime else. But why don't you go out there and look for it, because you're an idiot and lazy.
Which nation? Which God? There are multiple cultures with "proofs" of their Gods, in reality all of these "proofs" are pure bullshit and all religions are the product of the culture they arose from.
Yeah, where is the proof? The only nation to show proof about the existence of God is Israel. And then there is the death and resurrection of Yeshua Hamashiach. You have Israel and the Exodus from Egypt, you have the Israeli nation walking the desert for 40 years, you have Noahs flood. You have the miracles Yeshua did himself - historical fact!
There are more evidence and facts in all the world to make a liar out of you any time of the day and any day of the year. Go bury your head in the sand, you're just like all these other idiots who think they know better.
Part A) I am simply claiming to understand things that they don't about objective reality because their beliefs happen to be wrong.
Part B) I don't know better than everyone, just people who are wrong about things that I am correct about.
My Argument: The argument against God has and will always be the writer knows better than anyone and everyone else!
You prove my argument by trying to disprove my argument. Are you stupid?
Which nation? Which God? There are multiple cultures with "proofs" of their Gods.
If there are multiple nations with proof about their god, give me another example other than Israel? And proof about the existence of God? Yeshua Hamashiach was God incarnate! Disprove this satatement.
Some things have been found to be historically accurate.
Which parts are historically accurate? I say all of history in relation to the Tanakh is and will always be historically accurate including but not limiting to the miracles contained within.
I'm done wasting my time with this hogwash poppycock drivel.
Four statements to get to the depth of your understanding? You're not even worth arguing against because the depth of your understanding and knowledge base is as shallow as a puddle. Go and read a thousand books about Jesus Christ then come back and argue other wise your a waste of time.
The essence of the atheistic position is that they take God to not exist at all, therefor they couldn't possibly consider themselves as being God if they are legitimate atheists..
Theologically speaking, this is called the principle of you're a retard go fuck yourself.
To those with discernment, this couldn't be more obvious.
There is no argument that can successfully undermine the fact that 99% of the people that believe in God are scientifically illiterate clueless imbeciles who can't even tell the difference between objective and subjective.
The atheist position is one that is fundamentally in denial of reality, and you are listening to them when it comes to matters pertaining to the truth. Atheists don't even believe in truth.
Look at you making up statistics as if it makes you sound smart. You're a clown.
You're right, atheists do make their claim God does not exist at all, but not one atheist has proved their claim and position even "once". Here is the polemic argument of an agnostic against atheism.
A secular Jew, Berlinski nonetheless delivers a biting defense of religious thought. An acclaimed author who has spent his career writing about mathematics and the sciences, he turns the scientific community’s cherished skepticism back on itself, daring to ask and answer some rather embarrassing questions:
Has anyone provided a proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close.
Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe or why it is here? Not even close.
Have the sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close.
Are physicists and biologists willing to believe in anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough.
Has rationalism in moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough.
Has secularism in the terrible twentieth century been a force for good? Not even close to being close.
Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy of thought and opinion within the sciences? Close enough.
Does anything in the sciences or in their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even in the ballpark.
Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on.
Berlinski does not dismiss the achievements of western science. The great physical theories, he observes, are among the treasures of the human race. But they do nothing to answer the questions religion asks, and they fail to offer a coherent description of the cosmos or the methods by which it might be investigated.
"What is dominion? It's a social construct, you can have control over something, but you can only have "dominion" or "authority" in the minds of sheep-like creatures who are susceptible to such conceptual programming."
Definition of authority from Merriam-Webster...
"power to influence or command thought, opinion, or behavior"
Omnipotent literally means "All influence".
"So if you think about it, even if a being exists with supreme power over everything, it is not God, because God is not what something IS it's what something is CONSIDERED by it's worshipers."
Yeah, that is why the name God gave to Moses is "I AM THAT I AM".
"Authority is not real, only control is real, and just because you have control over something doesn't mean other people have to kiss your ass unless they are programmed to do so because they are sheep, therefore Yahweh is not God even if he is real. Because God is not what something is in an objective sense, it's what you call something that has made you it's bitch."
Whether or not you call The Supreme and Ultimate Reality God doesn't change the fact that this is your God. It is not necessary to kiss God's ass at all. All of creation glorifies God. In fact, God is glorified even through your weakness.
There is no argument that stands against God, and you are a fool if you believe otherwise.
power to influence or command thought, opinion, or behavior"
Omnipotent literally means "All influence"
THOUGHT, OPINION, AND BEHAVIOUR. Authority is a social construct. If no one believes you have authority, then you don't have authority, therefore no one has authority, people only think they have authority.
I AM THAT I AM
The most meaningless and redundant thing anyone has ever said.
Whether or not you call The Supreme and Ultimate Reality God doesn't change the fact that this is your God.
Godhood is a social construct, God isn't what something is, God is what something is considered.
It is not necessary to kiss God's ass at all.
It is if you want to go to heaven.
All of creation glorifies God. In fact, God is glorified even through your weakness.
So in other words God can only feel good about himself by creating flawed beings and laughing at how inferior they are. If I was God I would want to create the most magnificent reality possible, because since I am God it's not like I could create something that would be a threat to me no matter how supreme it was. I would be glorified by creating the most intelligent and perfect creatures I could, I would want to create a supreme and ultimate reality, but instead the God we have creates sinful and ignorant sacks of shit, piss, and mucus who live in a world of scarcity, disease and tyranny and feels good about himself when he looks at how lowly they are.
you are a fool
If you believe this universe is anything but a series of field modalities and quantum fluctuations. The greatest proof of this is mankind, the self aggrandizing feces machines who can't even tell the difference between their own subjective contrivances and universal truth. God is nothing but mankind projecting their own subjectivity onto the universe. We make reality a "he" rather than an "it" because human thoughts are based on subjectivity and personal feelings and reactions rather than anything tangible. This is why we must subjectivize the universe and make it a person with thoughts and feelings.
"Authority is a social construct. If no one believes you have authority, then you don't have authority, therefore no one has authority, people only think they have authority."
Authority is not a social construct. Clearly, gravity has authority over you, as you are glued to the ground.
All authorities are put into place by God, The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
"I AM THAT I AM
The most meaningless and redundant thing anyone has ever said."
It is an archaic way of saying "The Supreme and Ultimate Reality".
If you dispute this, go talk to a few more rabbis and get back to me.
"Godhood is a social construct, God isn't what something is, God is what something is considered."
Just as the spirit of god is God, the spirit of reality is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
I am not talking about a social construct.
"It is (necessary to kiss God's ass) if you want to go to heaven."
No, it is necessary to surrender to God, and make peace with God to make it into heaven. This isn't the same thing as brown nosing.
"So in other words God can only feel good about himself by creating flawed beings and laughing at how inferior they are. If I was God I would want to create the most magnificent reality possible, because since I am God it's not like I could create something that would be a threat to me no matter how supreme it was. I would be glorified by creating the most intelligent and perfect creatures I could, I would want to create a supreme and ultimate reality, but instead the God we have creates sinful and ignorant sacks of shit, piss, and mucus who live in a world of scarcity, disease and tyranny and feels good about himself when he looks at how lowly they are."
Translation: Reality isn't the way I'd like it to be, so I'm going to remain in denial of it!
"(You are a fool) if you believe this universe is anything but a series of field modalities and quantum fluctuations. The greatest proof of this is mankind, the self aggrandizing feces machines who can't even tell the difference between their own subjective contrivances and universal truth."
"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen."
Funny enough, even though scripture confirms that God's mind is unknowable, this is the exact reason that Steven Hawkins professes atheism. Strangely enough, he seems to have an obsession with The Singularity. The Singularity is God.
"God is nothing but mankind projecting their own subjectivity onto the universe."
No, God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
"We make reality a "he" rather than an "it" because human thoughts are based on subjectivity and personal feelings and reactions rather than anything tangible. This is why we must subjectivize the universe and make it a person with thoughts and feelings."
If this is true, why is it written,
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man"
Besides that, it is widely understood even among Christians that God is not a man or a woman.
The reason why you believe the way you do is because you are superstitious concerning God. That is my diagnosis.
Clearly, you are abusing the meaning of words again. Gravity does not give out orders. Gravity does not punish disobedience. Gravity makes no decisions. Gravity is not a form of authority. You are merely trying to use it as a metaphor for authority, which is not the same thing.
Authority is not a social construct. Clearly, gravity has authority over you, as you are glued to the ground.
Authority is not a physical force, if I punch you in the face my fist is not commanding you to feel pain, it is just flying at your shnoz and exerting force into your nostrils. Gravity has an influence on me just as my fist is influencing your nose to convert into an inside out format and puncture your cerebral from the inside. But it does not have "authority" in the sense that it is higher in rank or status, because that only applies to primitive animals like humans within the framework of their social order. The dictionary clearly supports my position, because authority is defined as strictly having to do with thought, opinion, and behaviour. In other words if you believe authority exists you are a mentally enslaved pussy whipped mammalian turdbaskit bitch who has been psychologically cuckafied by society.
It is an archaic way of saying "The Supreme and Ultimate Reality"
It's an archaic way of saying "I just smoked a bowl of salvia divinorum and now I'm talking to God"
if you dispute this, go talk to a few more rabbis and get back to me.
You're a jew?
I am not talking about a social construct.
Yes you are, you just don't realize it. God is a social construct, he exists to put a personality on the universe so that subjective things like authority and morality can be made as real as the rocks and trees in the minds of the common folk. This makes them much easier to control, this is the sole purpose of organized religion.
it is necessary to surrender to God
I do not surrender, you subordinate bitch.
Reality isn't the way I'd like it to be, so I'm going to remain in denial of it!
No, reality isn't always the way I'd like it to be, but I am the one accepting things as they are. You are the one projecting subjective crap onto the universe as if it is physical law.
The Singularity is God.
I don't believe in singularities, they are only singular in the way that dark matter is dark. We cannot see what it is or how it works or deal with it using current systems of analysis so we call it a paradox. A singularity is merely a state of density which we can't cope with mathematically.
No, God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
You are a mindless parrot.
If this is true, why
is it that God has animal emotions like anger and love?
The reason why you believe the way you do is because you are superstitious
I literally physically laughed when I read this, I laughed as physically as the universe is physical and not metaphysical or conceptual.
As I stated before, your theophobia is the result of superstitious ideas about God.
See, God is sovereign over all things whether or not you accept this as being fact.
It is God who hardens and softens hearts, and it is God who sculpts us into vessels of honor and dishonor. Whether or not you acknowledge your surrender, it is the will of God that has determined your life.
The way is sincerity of faith and charity. Sincere faith alone without charity will have you demanding the crucifixion of Jesus. As the measure that you use will be used to judge you, in doing so you condemn yourself. You have been forgiven many sins, and God has shown you mercy. Show others charity as God has shown you charity. If you love The Truth, this is the way of putting that love into practice.
As it is written, "God gives grace to the humble, but resists the proud."
Stop cherry picking parts that fit your narrative out of definitions. The broader definitions of these words show they can be used and interpreted in different ways, you are simply stretching the semantics as much as possible to make it fit your view. Authority is not technically a physical force, if you play with words enough you could think of it as such, but in the most literal and technical sense it is by no means a physical force, it does not act upon you in the same way that inertia or magnetism or gravity does, it is something that exists conceptually but not physically. Gravity would still exist if no one believed in it, but if everyone on earth stopped obeying and believing in authority it would cease to exist.
No, The Supreme and Ultimate Reality clearly exists, and you automatically lost for disputing this.
You might as well be saying, "There is no reality, and truth is a lie!"
You aren't standing on anything. You can posture all you want, but you've adopted the position of a clown.
You can insult me all you want in order to avoid addressing the real issue, but it isn't going to change anything.
See, actually, I do know without a doubt that God exists. You don't know because you're not very bright. You are, after all, denying The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
You might as well be shouting "I'm a loser! I'm a loser!" every time you deny God. You clearly don't understand what it is you are in denial of.
I say, "You clearly don't understand what God means."
You say, "It depends who you ask."
Of course we are going to ask your atheist friends, because people who are in denial of Supreme and Ultimate Reality are the types you want defining your terms.
The broader definitions of these words show they can be used and interpreted in different ways, you are simply stretching the semantics as much as possible to make it fit your view.
You are the one arguing over words, not me. I know how to use a dictionary. You clearly don't. If you believed me, it would be a lot easier to understand what I'm saying. You are too busy trying to refute me, and in doing so you are incapable of actually grasping what I'm telling you.
The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
That is it. Everything else goes away when you realize what that means.
"if everyone on earth stopped obeying and believing in authority it would cease to exist."
This is clearly false. The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is not contingent on the obedience and beliefs of people.
Concepts are the result of physical processes in the brain but that doesn't mean everything you imagine is real, it just means you thinking about it is real. It is easy for someone with a brain to understand this, a physical law is very different from a man made law. So yes concepts are a part of physics because they are the result of physics, but concepts are not real as anything other than concepts, a concept is not a physical law or force, it is only something that exists in your subjective superstitious mind. The actual physics that allow you to perceive concepts do not reflect these concepts, because concept is purely subjective. In other words it does not exist, what you perceive as a concept is just a bunch of neurons firing.
You can not be truly objective without taking into account subjectivity.
If something exists in the mind, it has a causal relationship with the mind. The mind clearly has influence on the body that supports the mind. That body is connected to physics in a way that you can understand.
Concepts of course are intrinsically tied to causality, which makes them a part of physics whether or not you are willing to acknowledge this.
But none of this matters anyway, because though God is a concept, it means something that is far greater than the concept. Something that exists independent of the concept. The concept itself is a finger pointing at that which existed before the concept and will forever exist.
The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is God, and The Supreme and Ultimate Reality does not require belief in order to exist.
You can not be truly objective without taking into account subjectivity.
I do take it into account, that's why I know that subjective things are not objective.
If something exists in the mind, it has a causal relationship with the mind. The mind clearly has influence on the body that supports the mind. That body is connected to physics in a way that you can understand.
Therefor whatever someone imagines is real? No, the only thing real about subjective things is that you are experiencing them. Just because you being stupid exists doesn't mean your stupidity is correct.
Concepts of course are intrinsically tied to causality, which makes them a part of physics
Yes, they are tied to physics, and a part of causality, I am imagining a purple unicorn right now, the fact I am imagining it is real, but it is not actually real, see how that works?
because though God is a concept, it means something that is far greater than the concept. Something that exists independent of the concept.
Either God exists or he is imaginary. You haven't given me a single reason to believe he is real.
The Supreme and Ultimate Reality does not require belief in order to exist.
The supreme ultimate made up invisible entity does not require disbelief in order to not exist.
"Yes, they are tied to physics, and a part of causality, I am imagining a purple unicorn right now, the fact I am imagining it is real, but it is not actually real, see how that works?"
You are wasting your time debating phantoms in your head. I don't care.
"The supreme ultimate made up invisible entity does not require disbelief in order to not exist"
No one is talking about made up invisible reality.
I'm not sure your argument makes sense if you replace the word "God" with something like "Yahweh." I think your argument applies to gods, that is with a lower case "g." God with a capital "G" is just a name given to Yahweh.
It should also note that these names reveal a certain innate aspect of what we are talking about.
El Elyon, God Most High
El Olam, The God Eternal
El Shaddai, God Almighty
Yahweh Tsidkenu, The Lord our Righteousness
So God is not simply name, but a matter of identity. It is not an arbitrary pronouncement of syllables. In fact, the pronouncement isn't important, it is the meaning that is important. Let it be known that God IS The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
Why is it that the name "Jesus" is pronounced differently in every language? It is because the letter kills, but the spirit brings life! What does Jesus mean? God is Salvation.