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 Every scientific theory has a formula except darwinian evolution why? (75)

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5 points

We do have a working equation.

Evolution is anything but random and there are several mathematical models that describe the process. The most fundamental is the Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium equation. It is the primary mathematical null hypothesis for evolutionary theory and describes allele frequencies with the equation:

pΒ² + 2pq + qΒ² = 1

Where p is the frequency of allele "A" and q is the frequency of allele "a"

The model shows that evolution will not occur in a population if seven conditions are met:

1. mutation is not occurring

2. natural selection is not occurring

3. the population is infinitely large

4. all members of the population breed

5. all mating is totally random

6. everyone produces the same number of offspring

7. there is no migration in or out of the population

1) If mutation occurs, the allele frequencies will change.

2) If there is a selection event on the trait (e.g. drought, habitat destruction, etc) the allele frequencies will change.

3) If the population is infinitely large, the allele frequencies will equal infinity; clearly ALL populations of organisms are finite.

4) Breeding is competitive and rarely if ever do 100% of the members of a population breed and produce offspring. If some members are more successful than others at breeding, allele frequencies will change.

5) If mating is non-random, those individuals who have more offspring will increase their allele frequency in the population; traits that favor reproduction will out-pace those that do not and allele frequencies will change.

6) If various breeding pairs produce more or less offspring than others, allele frequencies will change.

7) If members of the species from other populations migrate into the population (or breeding members migrate out) the allele frequencies will change.

"Let us assume that there is a trait that is determined by the inheritance of a gene with two alleles--B and b. If the parent generation has 92% B and 8% b and their offspring collectively have 90% B and 10% b, evolution has occurred between the generations. The entire population's gene pool has evolved in the direction of a higher frequency of the b allele--it was not just those individuals who inherited the b allele who evolved."

The Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium equation is a useful null hypothesis to test because it assumes there is NO evolution occurring in a population. A violation of any one of the above conditions will result in a change in allele frequencies which rejects the null hypothesis and therefore demonstrates that the population has evolved. And it has been demonstrated literally THOUSANDS of times.

jeffreyone(1383) Disputed
1 point

What is the name of the scientist who took the noble prize for deriving a formula for the darwinian evolution theory finally, after 7.7million years (that is if every scientist devoted 5% of his time from 1930 to 2007) of trying to derive a formula by many scientists to no avail.

Wolfgang666(174) Disputed
1 point

You have worded your question in a way that makes no sense. Please clarify

jeffreyone(1383) Disputed
1 point

Have you heard of jeremy england's new more logical theory about the origin of species. He is shy to call that of darwin junk. I haven't much details yet to accept it or not.

Have you heard of Henri Bergson's creative evolution? An anti-Darwinian evolution theory which won the noble prize. Yet it is not promoted, why?

The atrocious one is being promoted, Why?

Wolfgang666(174) Disputed
1 point

That mite be because his Nobel prize is in literature, not science.

Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

More lies from Jeffrey ,so you've read Englands "logical theory " well if you cared to do some serious study you would see how incredibly complex his work is and yet Jeffrey full comprehends it ?

Maybe as his spokesman you could explain his more "logical Theory " to everyone ; by the way England is also a theist who spends a lot of time studying the Torah .

NowASaint(1380) Disputed
1 point

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Really? So reptiles evolving into birds has been demonstrated? What was the name of the scientist who took a population of reptiles and demonstrated them changing into birds? Where did he keep the reptiles, or what was the name of the city and country in which he tracked the reptiles and watched them turn into birds?

Are you sure the guy did not us CGI as documentation for what he claims to have demonstrated?

Wolfgang666(174) Disputed
1 point

All your argument shows is that you are incredibly ignorant of evolution.Reptiles became dinosaurs and then dinosaurs became birds.Just because you can't imagine anything past your short life span, that doesn't mean that things didn't look different than n the past. Science is our tool to both understand the past and predict the future.

Speciation is a by-product of genetic drift.

Evolution between species takes millions of years to occur.

BigOats(1449) Disputed
1 point

Really?

pΒ² + 2pq + qΒ² = 1?

This just means (p+q)Β²=1.

Since p and q are probablilities, p>0 and q>0

So your "equation" is reduced to

p+q = 1.

This just means that p and q are probabilities of mutually exclusive events, nothing more.

So what this great equation means is that allele A occurs whenever allele a does

Some "formula".

LOL

Wolfgang666(174) Disputed
1 point

Noooooooo

The number 1 shows that the propagation and recombining of genes in a given populas plus the guiding force of finding a suitable mate will definitely lead to the passing of a given mutation leading to a possibility of 1.

It is an inevitable outcome.

You can't fight nature.

Wolfgang666(174) Disputed
1 point

You only used half of the given information Iike some kind of simpletons.

2 points

2 months ago, didn't you say you were going to reveal your version of evolution in two weeks? What happened with that?

2 points

In this case the parameters are way too high in number to deuce a formula to explain Darwin's evolution theory so in this context it is impossible to have a formula explaining why.

1 point

So you want a formula for what ? As you think the whole theory 'idiotic ' so a formula would be something else you would deny about Evolution wouldn't it ?

In the theory of evolution and natural selection, the Price equation (also known as Price's equation or Price's theorem) describes how a trait or gene changes in frequency over time. The equation uses a covariance between a trait and fitness to give a mathematical description of evolution and natural selection.

There are more ' formulas ' if you actually did a bit of reasearch ; also why are you posting links to your ridiculous creationist sites only the looney fringe take them seriously.

1 point

Your last link is over 27 years old.

1 point

In other words, each has an alternate and equally viable explanation.

Why do these equally viable explanations always get kept a secret? You could tell us.

Hmm, looks like someone expects formulae in biology..........

1 point

There is, it's H2O.

Where there's water there is, or there soon will be life.

jeffreyone(1383) Clarified
1 point

just like how greek myths describes how the early gods came to life....by water.

what a coincidence.

Dermot(5736) Disputed
2 points

What a terrible hammering you've taken in this ill thought out topic every one of your statements has been exposed as either a lie or a complete nonsense hasn't it ?

So you still have'nt had the balls to post up your famous piece 'debunking ' Evolution whys that ?

You titled your debate .....Every scientific theory has a formula except darwinian evolution why?.........

Maybe you need to change the title as your ridiculous claim has been destroyed .

catninja(249) Disputed
1 point

Literal interpretations of Genesis imply humanity came to life by earth.

There's a good possibility that abiogenesis could have taken place in the world's oceans when there were good conditions for life to form.

However, there are other theories that suggest bacteria might have been carried on comets or meteors. I do consider that a bit of a cop-out, as the life still needs to have been formed somehow.

Antrim(1287) Clarified
1 point

Hi j.o.

Was it a case that like you, your deformed father had no genitals so you, being the illegitimate offspring of a syphilis infected traveling Romanian gypsy, who enticed your mother into bed with a few pots and pans, arrived by stork in the isolation ward for infectious diseases whilst being intravenously fed with penicillin.

Is it due to you being born with this social disease that your your mental capacity is so retarded or was it the result of being abused as a child by the local paedophile?

Did the Romanian gypsy visit your house regularly?

Did your half wit father watch the ''activity' with excitement and did your mother emerge from the bedroom with a satisfied smile on her face after their 'session(s)'?

Do try to remember to continue with your coarse of penicillin.

Every scientific theory has a formula except darwinian evolution why?

Your assertion is false. Scientific formulas were traditionally a staple of physics (and arguably chemistry), not biology. It is only recently, with analysis of the genetic code and human DNA that formulas have begun to become more prevalent in biology.

1 point

Biology certainly is a branch of science which does will make your head spin if chemical equations were inserted. Just studying about the human body,animals,plants etc is head spinning for biologist themselves now think about formulas to explain about those body entities.

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"Darwinian evolution" is not a thing any more, and hasn't been for a hundred years. It's used by people like you almost as a perjerative.

Darwinian evolution effectively fell by the wayside and was replaced with what is called "The modern evolutionary synthesis" which has a combination of natural selection, common descent, biochemistry, evo-Devo, mendelivian inheritancs, and population genetics.

So, Darwinian evolution has few if any formulae.

MES has loads, indeed, population genetics is nearly as much a branch of mathematics as it is biology.

You also have the maths-heavy information theory, and a lot of game theory (including the Nash equilibrium).

So the idea that evolution has no formulae is pretty hilarious.