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Everything is real

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It's these sort of debates that just plunge into a misunderstanding stemming from linguistic problems and differences. How can I know that my definition of a thing is exactly the same as your definition? What is the essence of a thing? Must it hold molecules together? Must it be percieved? Lets define your terms with terms that can be universally understood and accepted before we continue.

Side: True
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It's these sort of debates that just plunge into a misunderstanding stemming from linguistic problems and differences.

Thanks for noticing. :)

How can I know that my definition of a thing is exactly the same as your definition?

Perhaps if my logic stands up to your scrutiny you can be adequately convinced.

What is the essence of a thing?

Most essentially, a "thing" exists and can be described.

Must it hold molecules together?

No because some things repel molecules from one another.

Must it be percieved?

No because some things are yet to be perceived.

Lets define your terms with terms that can be universally understood and accepted before we continue.

That may be a tall order depending on what you mean by universal. :) Of course I am game. But don't expect me to blurt out much without being continually provoked.

Side: True

'Most essentially, a "thing" exists and can be described.'

That makes things easy.

All things exist and can be described

All that exists and can be described is real

Everything is real

Wow, debating can be easy and fun! Some people just never think to ask...... I suppose thats the biggest thing we can draw from this debate, that clearing up word defintions can really help with avoiding confusion, and that there really is a false dichotomy between imagination and reality.

Now we just need clean up all that confusion in the "God or No God" debates.

Side: True

What is this about ?

Side: True
2 points

I mean anything we can talk about at least exists as the subject of our imagination.

Side: True

I believe anything is possible. Can bricks turn into human beings? And birds fly out of the sky and order happy meal from mcdonalds? Can we fly on a magic broom?

The answer is yes. The reason why you guys would say no because you would say that is illogical. Well illogical doesn't mean impossible. Look at airplaines today. If we ever mention airplaines to people in the past, they would consider us crazy.

If you scientifically look at the structure of "one" brick. You would say that it has no connection to human beings. But what about the other brick that you didn't scientifically analyze. And if there wasn't any connection at all, who says that you need one in the first place.

And just because you haven't seen a bird order a happy meal from mcdonalds, doesn't mean it is true.

What we call fact is our perception.

Side: True
2 points

Nothing is real, mathematically anything over infinity doesn't exist. The question is do you believe in infinity ...is infinity squared larger than a single infinity?

Side: False
atypican(4875) Disputed
2 points

Nothing is real, mathematically anything over infinity doesn't exist.

The conclusion that nothing is real doesn't logically follow the statement that nothing exceeds the infinite.

The question is do you believe in infinity

Infinity is by definition beyond the scope of belief

Side: True
1 point

Everything can't be real, or true at that. Everything contradicts its opposite. So not everything is true... Then everything cant be true because imaginary things are not real.

Side: False
2 points

Right!!!!! Everything is NOT real. Imaginary things like goblins cant be real! There not scientifically proved to be real!

Side: False
atypican(4875) Disputed
2 points

Wrong!!!!! Everything IS real. Imaginary things like goblins really exist in peoples imaginations! Things do not need to be scientifically proven to be real!

(Argument added only to keep the deabate score contentiously close, and to discourage arguments that add nothing to the discussion.)

Side: True
atypican(4875) Disputed
1 point

Everything can't be real, or true at that.

Truth improves an individuals awareness of reality. Falsehood obstructs it. So while not everything is true, everything including falsehood is real.

everything cant be true because imaginary things are not real.

This is akin to saying that imaginative activity doesn't occur.

Side: True
1 point

No, everything is not real. You don't see goblins running around Washington and witches turning into black cats. Because they are not logical and can not be proved in any logical way. You see, when you think of unicorns you think of their horn in the middle of their head. Having a sparkley horn in the middle of basiclly a pink or purple horse that is said to have "magical powers" is not scientificly real. Everything is not real.

Side: False
1 point

agreed... everything cant be real!!!! its impossible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: False
atypican(4875) Disputed
1 point

Disagreed... everything can be real!!!! its possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Argument added only to keep the deabate score contentiously close, and to discourage arguments that add nothing to the discussion.)

Side: True
TheThinker(1697) Disputed
1 point

What you call fact is what you see and know; that is perception.

Because you don't see globins running around doesn't mean that globbins doesn't exist. Tho, that is what i believe you were implying.

If i went to the past and said if they believe of flying in the air in machines called airplaines, they would consider me crazy. Why? Because, it is not part of their perception. So if an idea isn't logical, doesn't mean it is not real/possible.

Now, im not saying that fact is totally based on perception. You need evidence too. But if there wasn't any evidence that globins exist, that alone doesn't deny the existence of globins. What if i died and all my remains vanished? Does it mean i don't exist or that i never existed? Possibly but who knows if i lived alone and nobody knew me. lol

And just because something is not scientifically real, doesn't mean it is impossible. It is not scientifically real that i can count to the number ten. But it was real/possible.

downvote. The reason is explained above.

Side: True
atypican(4875) Disputed
1 point

You don't see goblins running around Washington and witches turning into black cats.

Goblins and witches turning into black cats may only exist as imaginative constructs, but they do exist.

Because they are not logical and can not be proved in any logical way.

Stories are told about witches and goblins. It is logical to believe that they exist as the subjects of these stories.

You see, when you think of unicorns you think of their horn in the middle of their head.

So I am thinking of something that only really exists imaginatively.

Having a sparkley horn in the middle of basiclly a pink or purple horse that is said to have "magical powers" is not scientificly real.

Can you explain the difference between what is scientifically real and what is not scientifically real?

Side: True

Reality only exist for a brief moment in time. What is true today may not be so in the future and often isn't in the past.

Side: False
atypican(4875) Disputed
1 point

Reality only exist for a brief moment in time.

With the acceptance that reality is in a never ending state of change, logical thinking doesn't necessarily conclude that reality thereby ceases to exist.

What is true today may not be so in the future and often isn't in the past.

Every statement is real, but not every statement is true. It's easy to inappropriately conflate the meaning of truth with the meaning of real. Especially since their meanings are so closely related. Truth improves awareness of reality.

That reality refers to what this instance is, I'm sure we can all agree, But in reality what once was, is now what is, and also what is to be.

A true statement may be made of things as they were, that is not true of how things currently are or will be in future instances, just as certain statements may be true of how things are now but are not true of how things were.

Side: True
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
1 point

According to Albert Einstein,

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

Based upon this one can conclude nothing is real, because everything is an illusion.

Side: False
1 point

Leprechauns are not real, neither are invisible pink unicorns. A squared circle is not real. Good female drivers are not real. ;)

Side: False