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Executive Orders: Should we limit or encourage this presidential power? Why or why not?

Should Congress amend the President's ability to create an executive order? Has this power been executed in a positive or negative matter? Are executive orders a proper example of power or does it allow the President too much influence? Consider the impact of previous executive orders, the enforcement of executive orders, and historical references of orders that have taken place in past presidents. 

Encourage. No abuse of power.

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Limit. Complete abuse of power

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1 point

When a person is elected to the office of President, they are given certain privileges and rights. One of these rights in being able to create and give executive orders. However, Congress has tried to amend the President’s ability to create an executive order. I think that Congress should not be able to amend this privilege given to the President. Ultimately, the members of Congress more likely than not voted for him to become the President. Why remove the power that you enabled them to have? In 1996, President Bill Clinton drafted an executive order and “attempted to prevent the US government from contracting with organizations that had strike-breakers on the payroll.” Congress went against and denied this executive order and declared it as unconstitutional. This example demonstrates how Congress has encroached on the legally-presented powers that the President withholds. In most cases, this power has been executed in a positive manner by the President. I believe that he should have the right to make executive orders as he sees best fit for the situation at hand. Executive orders are a proper example of power allowed to the President. Some may say that this power protrudes too much influence on our nation; however, as the leader of our country, he is viewed as the pinnacle of decision-making in country. Why amend the position we gave to him?

-Callie

Sources:

https://www.votetocracy.com/blog/79/understanding-executive-orders-and-the-powers-they-grant

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/executive orders.php?year=1996&Submit;=DISPLAY

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
bettis323(3) Disputed
1 point

Most of Congress may have voted for the whoever the given President, however this would create a majority bias. The minority beliefs in Congress would fade away and the only change that would be instituted would be that of the particular group in power. I do agree that the power of Executive Order should not be take away from the President but it certainly would benefit the progression and continuity of the Government and of our country to limit the President's power of Executive order, much like Congress claiming Bill Clinton's proposal of an Executive Order was unconstitutional. And, you say that we "gave" him this power and he is "allowed" the power to make Executive Order's but no where in the constitution is this power given to the President, I imagine an early president just made it up as he went along.

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
1 point

Executive orders, when used only when it is necessary, are not an abuse of power. They are a way for the President to get done in a day what might take Congress a month. This is especially important when time is of the essence. According to their respective websites, the House of Representatives has a Republican majority and the Senate has a Democratic majority. Therefore, it would take Congress much too long to pass something in response to an emergency, such as defense of the country or a natural disaster, due to the fact that they can almost never reach a compromise. Not having the ability to issue executive orders would greatly decrease the power of the president. How would the person we elected to lead this country be able to do so if he or she had to wait on Congress to pass a bill that he/she could veto or sign? A good example of the President using this power to solve a problem quickly is when Dwight D. Eisenhower forced the desegregation of public schools in the 1960's. Had he waited on Congress to pass a bill. it would have taken much too long, even if Congress had decided to pass a bill about it, since some did not see it as that big of an issue.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
14ncasar(10) Disputed
1 point

Do you really believe that the disputes within the House of Representatives and the Senate rely on the President's power? It is one problem to have these two structures argue based on their political standpoint, but it hurts them more than it helps when the President is forced to involve himself in a matter that shouldn't involve him in the first place. The President is then acting like a parent to two siblings that cannot seem to get along. Thus, the real problem is not whether he is involved or not, but lies within the House and the Senates ability to agree.

Therefore, if we have two structures that cannot even agree, this gives the President free range to make a decision he feels necessary, even if it is unconstitutional. This has happened recently, as the House has had to pass the "Enforce the Law" Act, as Obama has acted in unconstitutional ways, including ratifying the Obama Care Plan over 20 times with proper consent.

Supporting Evidence: "Enforce the Law" Act (freebeacon.com)
Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
1 point

Sir, you are absolutely correct. When Congress doesn't come up with an official resolution, the President may quickly come in to resign any issues. As you were saying, time is of the essence, and this is especially important because with out a decision from the President, such a time when camps were created for the Asians, terrorism could have impeded further into the greatest nation.

This is Lyndsey's second response, but I was signed in under Suree's profile.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
1 point

I completely agree with Dan, the power of Executive Order of the President should be used only when it is necessary. When time is a factor, like if there was an attack on the country, or a natural disaster, etc. a decision needs to be made with haste, and I don't believe Congress has the power to make a quick decision like the President could. In times like those examples, an Executive Order is almost necessary, but President Obama using his power of Executive Order to raise minimum wage of federal workers probably is not an issue so immenent that a decision needs to be made overnight.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
14cschmo(6) Disputed
1 point

While I agree that this allows the president to quickly make decisions that Congress would dally in making, couldn't you say that he could take advantage of this power? If that's unfathomable, I've researched some examples. Did you know that Obama used executive orders to rewrite his own legislation? Breibart says "It's one thing to claim that you are forced to act because Congress will not. It's quite another thing to re-write the law after Congress has done what you asked--and after you have offered, time and time again, to entertain formal amendments to the legislation." Our President has abused the executive authority in order to quickly hide his own mistakes.

Evidently Obama has been compared to Lincoln in his actions with executive orders. Ruth Marcus of the Washington Post said Obama's actions are similar to Lincoln's when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. But Obama is not acting for his citizens, he's acting on his own accord, unlike Lincoln. Obama has used his executive orders to more harm than good, and if the Senate and Congress had made these decisions, they would have been thought out an voted on, as opposed to chosen by a single man.

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
1 point

We vote for the better candidate for our country and, in a way, we are giving them the right to executive orders. We are giving the president the right to enforce laws and it is in the Constitution that he shall follow through in executing them. Franklin D. Roosevelt had made some executive orders that weren't necessarily good for the country, however, we voted for him. Many other Presidents have been successful when it comes to making executive orders though. Harry Truman made an extravagant claim with his executive orders when he issued executive order 10340 that directed the Secretary of Commerce to stop a steelworkers strike by seizing privately-owned steel mills. Truman had insisted that a prolonged strike would impair the government’s ability to fight his undeclared “police action” in Korea. Truman’s Solicitor General Philip B. Perlman declared that Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution “constitutes a grant of all the executive powers of which the Government is capable.” Executive orders go back to the beginning of our country, although they weren't called that. Usually they were referred to as proclamations. Currently, President Obama has been making executive orders on health care and helping workers. Many Presidents make these executive orders for the benefit of our country and for the better of us as American citizens.

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2014/01/30/how-president-obama-could-be-swept-away- with-his-executive-orders-that-defy-congress-and-the-courts/

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
14ncasar(10) Disputed
1 point

So, because we voted for them, that means that they have every right they wish? Just because we voted for Roosevelt doesn't mean that he has the right to make negatively impacted decisions. As true as it may be that some presidents such as Truman made great decisions, it is safer that we would have some sort of guideline for how much executive power the President has.

You mention Obama's stronghold on the healthcare plan. In some perspectives, he has helped few with affordable healthcare, but by no means has he done this without abusing his executive power. In fact, the House of Representatives has been forced to pass the "Enforce the Law" Act, because President Obama has acted unconstitutionally when carrying out his new healthcare plan. Not only was he acting in an inappropriate manner with the healthcare plan, but this act was also an attempt to stop what is becoming an "imperial presidency".

Supporting Evidence: House Passes "Enforce the Law" Act (freebeacon.com)
Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
AngryGenX(463) Disputed
1 point

We vote for the better candidate for our country

Obviously not true, Obama won

President Obama has been making executive orders on health care and helping workers.

Obama has been making executive orders to try to keep his unpopular law afloat and save his own ass. He couldn't care less about what "helps workers". He cares about keeping an army of lawyers and bureaucrats employed.

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
1 point

The President should continue to maintain the right to create and give executive orders. This power allows the President to get things done much faster than congress can. If he needs something done immediately, he can create an executive order to get said thing done. For the most part, past and current presidents have not abused this power. They know full and well that they will make enemies or possibly face penalties if they abuse this power. One of the biggest goals of a President is to ensure they can get re-elected if they can or choose to. They won’t get as many votes if everybody knows they abuse their power. President Obama has prepared our country for almost anything. He has enabled our government to take control when need be and maintain the safety of everybody. Without orders like those below, the government would be of little to no help if a national disaster occurred like a national terror attack. The whole country would go into anarchy. With these orders, the government can step in if things get too bad and take control of transportation to either keep a threat out or isolate a threat so it can be eliminated.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
0 points

Executive orders are necessary for the President to have. Not only do we have to have a leader that is able to fight to enforce laws and powers he says he will, but so that he isn’t just a figurehead. Article II Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states that the president must “take care that the laws are faithfully executed”, which means he has to have some power over law to deal with them, otherwise there would be no point in his position. One of the most famous executive orders the Emancipation Proclamation. Put into law by President Lincoln, one of the most well known and admired presidents of the United States, as a last attempt to derail the Civil War, it was no other higher power’s idea to free slaves in the Confederate states, just Mr.Lincoln’s. Roosevelt’s New Deal plan was another executive order. This plan tried to help the American economy and its people by handing out jobs and keeping the workforce active, no matter the occupation. The WPA built upon the hugely popular Civilian Conservation Corps, and provided work to an estimated 8.5 million people. In its eight years, it built over 600,000 miles of roads, 125,000 bridges, 8,000 parks, and 850 airport landing fields.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
rootytooty Disputed
2 points

President Lincoln used his powers to threaten the South and originally wasn't even going to make the States in the North that still practiced slavery give up theirs. President Lincoln had actually proposed his emancipation proclamation twice. He First proposed the Emancipation Proclamation to his Cabinet in July 1862, but Secretary of State William Seward suggested waiting for a Union victory so that the government could prove that it could enforce the Proclamation. Although the Battle of Antietam resulted in a draw, the Union army was able to drive the Confederates out of Maryland – enough of a “victory,” that Lincoln felt comfortable issuing the Emancipation just five days later. Another reason why the proclamation emancipation was only a tool of war that was used by the Union to focus on the South was because, Britain and France had considered supporting the Confederacy in order to expand their influence in the Western Hemisphere. However, many Europeans were against slavery. Although some in the United Kingdom saw the Emancipation Proclamation as overly limited and reckless, Lincoln's directive reinforced the shift of the international political mood against intervention while the Union victory at Antietam further disturbed those who didn't want to intervene on the side of a lost cause.

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/emancipation-150/10-facts.html

-patrick yurek

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
1 point

Ma'am you are precise and accurate for the President needs to be a strong leader that will carry out the laws that are ruled constitutional. It is up to our President that defines who we are as a nation, so he can't be just a figurehead, but rather an individual who exemplifies and practices our rights as well as executes them. Because our President is our Chief of Citizen, he also has to be very unbiased. Ma'am I support you one hundred percent, and you examples support your thesis very well!

This is Lyndsey's first response, but I was signed under Suree's profile.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
0 points

Executive orders, when used only when it is necessary, are not an abuse of power. They are a way for the President to get done in a day what might take Congress a month. This is especially important when time is of the essence. According to their respective websites, the House of Representatives has a Republican majority and the Senate has a Democratic majority. Therefore, it would take Congress much too long to pass something in response to an emergency, such as defense of the country or a natural disaster, due to the fact that they can almost never reach a compromise. Not having the ability to issue executive orders would greatly decrease the power of the president. How would the person we elected to lead this country be able to do so if he or she had to wait on Congress to pass a bill that he/she could veto or sign? A good example of the President using this power to solve a problem quickly is when Dwight D. Eisenhower forced the desegregation of public schools in the 1960's. Had he waited on Congress to pass a bill. it would have taken much too long, even if Congress had decided to pass a bill about it, since some did not see it as that big of an issue.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
0 points

As being president of the United States, he/she is the most powerful person in the world. Ironies of being ‘the most powerful man in the world’ includes the leader of his nation he has to be seen to lead yet he is frequently engaged in negotiations etc. (either personally or by proxy) with politicians based in the Capitol. Instances do exist where this co-operation has broken down but it is rare and it is usual for all three partners in government to work together as anything else discredits the whole system. In the past, when a breakdown has occurred, Congress has received the blame thus giving the president an edge over it as an institution. So why should we limit his powers if we choose him as our most powerful leader? there have been many instances when the executive powers of the president was needed, such as Abraham Lincoln used an executive order in order to fight the Civil War, Woodrow Wilson issued one in order to arm the United States just before it entered World War I, and Franklin Roosevelt approved Japanese internment camps during World War II with an executive order. Many other executive orders are on file and could be enacted at any time. These are just a few examples of why we should let the president keep his executive powers.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
14cschmo(6) Disputed
1 point

To compare Obama to Lincoln is like comparing a garden hoe to a weed. Lincoln's proclamation was in order to SUPPORT his citizens, while Obama's executive orders have been enforces to remand his own legislation because he has made mistakes. It would, however, be appropriate to compare Obama to Wilson, as both are prime examples of why we should limit executive power. Wilson signed over 1000 executive orders, commonly dealing with Panama Canal and immigration rights (because at the time, they were allowed to work without at a "green card" and Wilson even ensured that they receive pay), but not, in a general sense, anything regarding his citizens. Wilson has also been described as an abuser of power who "pushed boundaries in order to enforce his rewritten legislation." Just like Obama.

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
-1 points

It's human nature:

The more you encourage the abuser to abuse, the less fun it becomes for them to abuse you and they begin to target those who oppose them instead. Thus the abuse begins to become your defense.

It is called favouritism and, like it or not, this is the nature of any leadership system.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
3 points

Google definitions defines the presidential executive orders as "a rule or order issued by the president to an executive branch of the government and having the force of law." According to Brookings, executive powers are a presidential tool that gives guidance to the executive branch on how to “faithfully execute the laws” or rely on discretion within existing law to affect policy. The Republicans have argued that Obama uses his executive powers to "move in" on subjects that Congress has stalled on. Essentially, this is what the executive powers are for, but is is currently believed by the Republicans that he is overstepping his authority and taking unlawful action. According to the Washington Post, President Obama issued an executive order "expanding the number of people who qualify for overtime pay under federal labor law" on March 12. The same website suggests that this order means "the Labor Department could raise the pay threshold for workers covered by overtime rule." However, there have been any complaints from workers suggesting that it did the opposite. That Obama's order helped corporate America take advantage of workers without a raise of pay. Business owners received higher wages while workers were "left in the dust." Republicans also argue that Obama acts as if his presidency is own personal dictatorship. Slate comments that "Resonant warning from Republicans characterized Obama's actions—delays to the health care law, EPA rules, deferred action on certain deportations- as petty dictatorship." The question is where Americans draw the line. If the leader of country has grounds to say what laws the citizens must follow, but does not necessarily follow them himself (i.e. ObamaCare), which is essentially the definition of a dictatorship. On March 12, Obama threatened to veto a Republican bill that requires him to follow the law. Such action would be unconstitutional, yet our President threatened it anyway. Hence, Republicans have stated he is overstepping his authority and unlawful.

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
2 points

Not only are Executive Orders a violation of our government's system of checks and balances, which makes the Executive branch above answering to Congress or the people of the United States, but many Executive Orders are a waste of government time and spending. For example, EO 13657, put into action by Barack Obama on February 10th, 2014, stipulates that "All references to the National Security Staff or Homeland Security Council Staff in any Executive Order or Presidential directive shall be understood to refer to the staff of the National Security Council." Basically, this EO exists to change the name of a government agency; no improvement is made to the agency, no reason is given, and we are asked to simply accept that this is a good use of Washington's time. Another example of wasteful and useless Executive Orders is EO 13483, by George W. Bush on December 18th, 2008, which details changes in the rates of pay for various government positions. But rather than say what the pay changes are, this EO lists where to look for the actual changes made in other bills and documents.

One of the supporting arguments for Executive Orders is that their simplicity and supremacy eliminates Congressional waste and "gets things done;" that Congress wastes too much time floating bills back and forth between the House and Senate, either intentionally or unintentionally, and that Executive Orders eliminate this and get right to the root of the problem. However, one must question this logic when these very same EOs only continue to waste taxpayer's time and money with legislation that matters so little (be that changing an agency's name or as a front for countless other documents).

Source: The American Presidency Project, http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/executive_orders.php?year=2008&Submit;=DISPLAY

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
14syowel(12) Disputed
1 point

But that’s the entire point of the checks and balances system. If a president starts trying to act like a despotic king, he can be impeached by Congress. If Congress starts trying to pass a series of laws that are blatantly unconstitutional, they can be overturned by the Supreme Court. Could it possibly be flawed? Of course, but this system was put here to keep each branch from striving for a power grab. The Framers worried that the president's about another Monarchy, so they took precautions against having a single ruler. For example, the founder’s were concerned that the president’s wartime role was too powerful, in fact, and thus gave Congress a powerful set of checks and balances on the president's war powers. Only Congress, not the president, has the power to declare war. Perhaps even more important, only Congress has the power to pay for wartime expenses. That means that if the president tries to launch an ill-advised military escapade, Congress can effectively pull the plug, forcing the president to bring his troops home by refusing to fund their continued deployment. This system encourages compromise through debate and serious decision making, that;s the idea at least. Sure, not all executive orders are the best use of resources, but everything has a hit and miss. There ARE good things to come from president’s. Dwight D. Eisenhower'S EO 10730 placed the Arkansas National Guard under Federal control and sent in U.S. army troops to ensure that nine black children could safely attend Little Rock High School. At the height of the Civil Rights Movement, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed Executive Order 11246 which bars discrimination in federal employment because of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
2 points

The President shouldn't be allowed to use executive power for the following reasons: There is no constitutional provision or statute in the constitution. It has been abused in the past by presidents like, FDR and George Bush. Now that Congress no longer has the legislative veto, Congress has to rely on other ways to override executive orders, like refusing to fund it, however this doesn't always work.

FDR made Executive order 9066, which forced Japanese Americans to be placed in internment camps which were similar to concentration camps. Then George Bush issued executive order 13233, which restricted access of the public, to the papers of former Presidents.

Executive orders have been used to limit the rights and even take rights away from US citizens by presidents through the years and no body should be allowed to have that power.

-patrick

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
14syowel(12) Disputed
1 point

The Constitution does not give the president direct power, but it does say it is their official duty to uphold the law and maintain it’s execution in Article II, Section 1. True, with power there is always a risk to be taken, but that’s why we have the checks and balance system to watch over the president. We, as a democracy, are not set up like a monarchy or dictatorship. We do not invest a majority of the power within the president, but distribute it. There is no way to purge the administration from all evil, but as a community, we can try our best to elect a person who is responsible and suited to the title of president. Yes, bad things have happened due to executive order, but good things have come from it as well. The Emancipation Proclamation is one example, and even Roosevelt was able to come up with an order that helped the people of his country through his New Deal. Does that mean it balances out his Japanese-American Internment? No, but it does show that ‘bad’ people can make ‘good’ decisions (keeping everything in the context that there is no such things as inherent good or evil) and that there is no true way to eradicate it from a system, no matter the size.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
1 point

` Yes, we should limit the President's executive power as his abuse of power is already evident in matters such as foreign and domestic affairs.

As holding Executive powers, the President already has the ability to convene congressional meetings, can issue “laws” without the public’s consent that may be enacted, and can pardon federal offenses without the aid of others. This thus proves that the President has a potential mass control of the government without the need of approval by others. If at any point, he feels that there is a need to enact power that is for the worse of the people, there is virtually no one that has the ability to stop him.

For example, at the end of February in 2013, Kelli Elisabeth Collins was pardoned of her federal misdemeanors by President Obama himself. Collins, a resident of Arkansas, was found guilty in aiding and abetting a wire fraud, which included embezzlement of food stamp and other welfare funds. Collins was one of seventeen individuals that was found of guilty of these crimes, yet she was pardoned, and given a mere five years of probation. While this is a fact, there was also no report on “why” she out of the others were pardoned.

Is this act not questionable? Why, out of all of these women, was she pardoned? It’s not fair to question his purpose, but he gives us the ability to easily assume that this act may be the product of an inside job, or perhaps an extramarital affair.

These questions arise when we do not have a proper foundation to learn some of the President’s reasoning. If there were guidelines, a basis for the President to explain his thoughts, we would be less in the dark, and not feel so hostile toward our leaders.

Supporting Evidence: Cite Source (arkansasnews.com)
Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
csa25(3) Disputed
1 point

Considering many Americans voted for the President, why even let the thought of power abuse cross our minds? He was elected in the mindset that he would make wise and ethical decisions in regards to foreign and domestic affairs.

In rebuttal to the example of Kelli Elisabeth Collins, the President has the power to choose whether or not a person should serve the detention or sentence they have been dealt. In this case, there must have been a valid, yet undisclosed reason why this woman was pardoned. There is no reason to assume that President Obama was having an extramarital affair or an unlawful act. While it is correct that we have no right to question his choices, we should respect his judgement. After all, we did elect him to office in the first place as a reflection of his values, good decision-making skills, and ability to lead our nation.

-Callie

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
1 point

I completely agree with Callie’s points. Nicole you had said that we should eliminate the presidents power because he abuses his powers in foreign and domestic affairs. What will eliminating his executive powers do if he “already” abuses other powers? Like Callie said we vote for the president therefore his abuse of powers is on us. This is also Obama’s second term in office, so if got re-elected then obviously he has done many things right. Obama has the right of commutation of sentence. This involves the reduction of legal penalties, especially in terms of imprisonment. Unlike a pardon, a commutation does not nullify the conviction and is often conditional. Today, pardons are granted when individuals have demonstrated that they have fulfilled their debt to society, or are otherwise deserving of a pardon. We may not know all of the information that happened with the Kelli Elisabeth Collins case; there could be information missing. I don’t believe it’s right to jump to conclusions about a case we may not know a lot about.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.

That needs to be limited due to how such a thing has been abused in the past. Do Hitler (not Prod) and Stalin ring any bells?

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
1 point

The President's power of Executive Order should most definitely be limited, as to prevent any possible corruption or abuse of power that could happen. Now, I am not implying that the Executive Order can only bring about terrible things; one of the most influential documents in this country, behind the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, came as a result of an Executive Order. President Abraham Lincoln included the abolition of slavery as one of the Union's goals in the Civil War with the Emancipation Proclamation, and that directly led to the ratification of the 13th Amendment and the liberating of all slaves in the United States. However, on the flip-side of the argument, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt used his power of Executive Order to imprison over 100,000 people of Asian descent along the west coast as a "measure to protect the state." The President of the United States ordered police officers to take people from their homes, giving them just minutes to pack whatever they could carry, and taking them to prisons with awful conditions, much like the Nazis did across the Atlantic. They are really just one step away from being almost exactly the same. This is why the President's power should be limited to prevent atrocities like this from happening, but should not be outright abolished because it can certainly create positive change.

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
atemps(3) Disputed
1 point

Dalton, when the Founding Fathers were deciding the rights and powers the president should have. They most definitely took into account little details. They were in a monarchy and wanted to get out of it. Of course the president can become power crazed, but if that happened in a detrimental way we the people and most likely the Vice President or congress would do something about it. However, I completely support your discussion on Abraham Lincoln. Your discussion on FDR is a valid one. However, his intentions were in the best interest of Americans. I am not saying what he did was right but his intentions were. That was also over 50 years ago, and no president has since done something to that extreme. President’s are given their power for a reason because we like to have someone to support and lead us. If there is any issue with the way the president uses his powers than we should have voted for a different person.

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
1 point

Simple reason, you don't know who will be president in 10, 20, or 30 years. The US should be able to endure a president who is a completely irrational nutjob (Obama) through preservation of the democratic process, separation of powers, and states' rights.

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
1 point

In other news, judicial review is also not in the constitution.........

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
1 point

Executive Orders should be limited and certainly be a privilege stripped from the President. An Executive Order allows a lot if not too much power to the president, without any legal authorization from Congress. This idea given to the President has the potential to endanger American citizens and the safety of our nation. If one person can create and sign off an order to take control of a particular field of interest they wish to override to control and use. President Truman signed off the Executive Order 10340, which put all steel mills in the country under federal government control. This is a smaller example of the level of control Presidential Executive Orders could take. Still mills played a vital role in southern states, economically, taking control and making adjustments to an industry that large could very well disrupt the big picture of operations. Especially coming from an outside source, any kind of large change could’ve potentially destroyed the entire local economy. Fortunately, none of this happened, but its the principle of the idea of such power someone could use. Powers that could be extremely dangerous to the nation because Executive Orders have even been used to declare war. This included the 1999 Kosovo War that took place during the Clinton administration. If the government felt the need to declare war upon a radical nation or felt the need to continue defending our freedom, why would it be that hard to get the approval of Congress? If such a decision was unanimous such power should be divided to a vote. Not to let one person make heavy decisions without an approval process. Just another reason why one person should not have such powers and to put limitations to what the President can and cannot do.

-D.Harris

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power
csa25(3) Disputed
1 point

While all decisions have the potential to provide some danger to our nation, the President in office was originally chosen for his decision-making skills. The example pertaining to former President Truman and his movement of control from one group to another was one in relation to the range of decisions he can make. This one was not as prevalent as the example of the Kosovo War. The President does not currently have the power to declare war, as it is not explicitly stated. However, he can take this suggestion to Congress from whence they can decide whether or not it is a worthy cause of war. The War Powers Act, enacted in 1973, said that the President does not have the ability to declare war without the approval of Congress. It is wise to include other sources when making a large, Therefore, the President does not have the ability to abuse his power by declaring war.

-Callie

Side: Encourage. No abuse of power.
1 point

Presidential executive orders are defined as “an order having the force of law issued by the president of the U.S...” according to dictionary.com. These orders could be very ridiculous and no one really has the ability to do anything about it because it is a power given to the president. But congress should limit the President’s ability to create an executive order because in the past many presidents have used and abused this power. A perfect example of the abuse of the power to create an executive order was made by Franklin D. Roosevelt. His executive order was to send an estimate of 120,000 Americans of Japanese descent to one of ten internment camps at the start of World War II. Although it was an executive order given by the president, it completely violated each persons 5th amendment, which basically protects one from “being held for committing a crime unless you have been indicted correctly by the police… and also guarantees due process.” Executive orders are a good example of how much power the president is given, which may be more than enough. Thus it allows the president too much influence, and congress should limit that power.

Side: Limit. Complete abuse of power