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Exterminate, exterminate, exte Religion is good.
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Ended:01/01/17
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Exterminate religion.

Would you get behind or stand in the way of a movement to exterminate religion?

Exterminate, exterminate, exte

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Religion is good.

Side Score: 89
2 points

There is no need to go to that extreme. But if you were comparing the two extremes of a) a world with zero religion, and the opposite extreme of b) a world with one mandatory religion or else persecution and death, then I would opt for A. I can think of no worse way to live than forced to believe in and worship a fantasy or else be tortured and killed.

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1 point

Well, "exterminate" is a strong word. It will never "go away", there will always be people who can't follow facts and will look to one god or another. When it is reduced to small groups of "believers", I believe we could achieve world peace. As long as we have Christians against Islam, Islam against Jews, Protestants against Catholics, "God" against "Allah", we will NEVER have peace ... as centuries have shown!

"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions." Blaise Pascal

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things, but for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." Steven Weinberg (Truth x2)!

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DS0330(267) Disputed
2 points

Religion isn't just about people who can't follow the facts. God isn't in or out of the facts. How do you know God doesn't exist? You don't know. Your far away from the truth, boy.

Side: Religion is good.
sylynn(626) Disputed
2 points

How do you know your god does exist? Other than your own experiences, feelings or your bible, what evidence do you have? I exclude those three because anyone from any religion can claim their god exists because of their experiences, feelings and religious documents. To prove your god, the Christian god exists, you need evidence. This is why Atheists do not believe, because there is no evidence to support the existence of ANY god.

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AlofRI(1839) Clarified
1 point

How do YOU know God DOES exist? You don't know. You have been convinced of it from your childhood, convinced that verses in the Bible "prove it". You "follow the facts" you have been taught to follow. you accept the "truths" you have been convinced are "true".

I don't ridicule you for that. I don't ridicule a Catholic, (But I can't figure out how somebody can worship Christ and NOT be a "Christian"!) a Muslim, a Hindu, etc. I just don't find "God" in or out of the facts. I just wish religions would stop fighting about WHICH GOD, or "version of God", is the ONLY one, and JUST BELIEVE AS THEY WISH, and let others do the same! Then, and ONLY then, will NO ONE be far from the truth .... and we can ALL follow our own "facts"!

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
Mint_tea(2531) Disputed
2 points

With respect I disagree. It's not a matter of not being able to "follow facts", some people genuinely need to feel there is something more out there, others need to feel there is a punishment/reward after death dependent on the life you lead on earth. That's fine, there's no problem with that.

The problem occurs when you march in extremism. But that is something that ALL beliefs and non-beliefs can have. In that sense, we are screwed. We won't get world peace if we can't accept the differences in others. You can't tell me that some Atheists don't hate Muslims simply because they are Muslim, or that some Christians don't hate the LGBT community. As long as we as a people have groups that value their differences as being GREATER than someone elses differences, we will always have discord. It's not an issue with just religion, religion is just a tool. It's an issue with the wielder of that tool, with people.

Side: Religion is good.
AlofRI(1839) Clarified
0 points

With respect, I agree with most of what you said. I'm simply pointing out that MOST wars over the centuries have had religious connotations, have been fought in the name of one "god" or another. Masses have been imprisoned or beheaded for not giving most of their income to the church or what was considered "blasphemy".

CONTROL is what many churches have been about .... it pays well. Many independent churches are about what they should be, too many are like "T-Vangelicals" (for instance), it's all about the money and the control, the agenda. THAT is "toolage" also.

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
FromWithin(5476) Disputed
0 points

Yes, the bigots who ridicule religion are the same corrupt people who support killing viable unborn babies when voting for Democrats.

If there was ever a score card on the atrocities from differing groups today (not a thousand years ago you total fools), the extremist Democrat party would be at the top of the list. Christians help the needy, they fight to save the lives of unborn babies, they help crisis pregnancy centers with funds to help pregnant mothers keep their babies.

True Christians are all about love and what do these progressives contantly do?

They ridicule and Judge Christians.

Do you know why they judge Christians? Because Christians speak to moral values and the value of innocent lives. Those on the Left hate hearing anything of their faults and their atrocities against humanity. They must judge those who shine a light on their selfish immoral ways.

TOTAL HYPOCRITES!

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
1 point

Not a bad idea, really. As it is irrefutably clear that religion and belief in false and invented gods has caused much death and war and violence over the history of the planet.

The little bit of "good" that is has done could have been done by secular social groups or philanthropic organizations.

Religion WILL be eradicated, do not worry. But I am afraid this will take time. The decline of it is beginning already, as people have been leaving the church in this country for over a decade. Europe and China are already largely atheist, and this is a good start and is hopefully indicative if the future trend.

One day religion will be looked upon as being as credible and useful as alchemy or astrology or reading tarot cards. In fact, many of us already know that it belongs in that dark corner with the rest of the superstitious clap-trap.

Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into skyscrapers!

LOL

SS

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KNHav(1918) Disputed
1 point

You had asked where Cain got his wife. Geneologies in Genesis state the main line of "the football" through time Adam to Seth to Noah to Abraham etc. It's clear on how old they were when these sons were born, but it also mentions other sons and daughters were born also. Adam and Eve had around 50 children. Each contributer probably similar, and we understand the exponential growth from there.

Cain and Abel were adults when Cain was sent to wander. And Cain could have taken a bride with him. Or populations could have grown out to Nod after Cain was exiled.

There was also Nephilim who took wives and populated, so it may have been one of their daughters.

Ooohhh gross! The sibling thing, but gene pools were purer then

Law came condemning the practice came late through Moses, so

multiplying was the 1st agenda, then after the flood as well for re-population. Which again, the Bible says Nephilim existed after the flood also.

But I would think evolution would have the same dynamics, unless many men emerged simultaneously with many females.

Was it divine intervention from God to say through Moses, this practice has now come to its end of practical usefulness and its time to cease that cultural norm?

How without any lab or blood work, how did Moses know that the mixing of genes had reached a point that continuing to mix would cause birth defects?

What reason did Moses have for stating that in the law. He wasn't a studied physician. He went from being raised a playboy in Pharoahs house to a tending herds. Till one day, he sent was sent back to bring in the Exodus.

The Bible even says Moses was timid of speech, so Aaron helped him speak, and also says that Moses was the most humble of men. The Bible says Moses wasn't determined by his own self evaluation of knowledge, or superiority.

I don't think anyone was wandering into Moses private place of dictating God's Word and giving their suggestions, and even if they did, how would they have known anyway that this common life practce had come to the point that it needed to cease?

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/cain/cains-wife-who-was-she/

Side: Religion is good.
1 point

Religion is evil. It makes people think they are self-justified by how they think or act, fooling themselves into ignoring the fact that they cannot justify themselves or they would not be dying. It's not up to us to exterminate religion. God Himself will put an end to religion, all the religious people will be in Hell and those who have believed on and received the Savior will be in Heaven, and religion will be held only by sinners in Hell as those alive forever more in Heaven will probably forget the religious individuals.

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
4 points

You are hilarious. Thanks for the laughs.

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
1 point

I do not think it is possible to exterminate religion, but neither do I think that religion is good.

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
FromWithin(5476) Disputed
1 point

Bigot! But you think humanism is good whereby people support killing viable unborn babies for any reason up to birth.

Do people like you ever look atn your own inhumanity? Nah, you judge the very people who care for those innocent lives.

WHAT TOTAL HYPOCRITICAL FOOLS!

Side: Religion is good.
Jace(4530) Disputed
3 points

I never said anything about humanism. Do you even look at things before responding?

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
Cartman(18205) Disputed
1 point

Go home, you're drunk.

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
AlofRI(1839) Clarified
1 point

Exactly what I said above. Exterminate is much too strong a word. I believe, in another hundred years, probably less, the problem will MOSTLY go away. There will always be a few that need a crutch to rely on but, I think even THAT will change to a less "church controlled" and more "thought controlled" practice. I have NO problem with anyone "believing" that there is help. It's just that this (these) book(s) of mythology are written by MAN, from man's imagination.

A couple on here would say I am the voice of the devil. No, I don't believe in "it", or follow "it". That is another phony entity.

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
2 points

Well, maybe not exactly. I think extermination is impractical, not necessarily undesirable.

I do not share your optimism that religion will mostly go away (I assume that is what you mean by "the problem"). There does not seem to be adequate evidence to that effect, at the very least.

If they think you're the voice of the devil, you're probably doing something right. I usually just get an ambiguous "evil". Have to work my way up to that extra "d", I guess. ;)

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
1 point

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Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
0 points

Have you actually read anyone else's arguments on this website?

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SatintLater(283) Disputed
1 point

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Side: Religion is good.
0 points

I find it hilarious that the biggest copier on the website believes this.

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
SatintLater(283) Disputed
1 point

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Side: Religion is good.
4 points

Why is religion a problem in your eyes OP? you didn't exactly give any priming in the question. if that was your goal, that is fine, but you also didn't make it clear what all you consider to be religion. in my mind, anything that is of dubious science, is technically religion, which would include your namesake of Veganism. probably would include feminism, and when it really came down to it, it would flip a magical invalidation switch on any philosophy that wasn't rationalism or maybe nihilism. Probably would get rid of LGBTQA-FDHTRDFBSFGAER too. So....get used to the fact that some people believe in a sky father and man the fuck up.

Side: Religion is good.
SatintLater(283) Disputed
3 points

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Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte

I would never get behind a movement that wanted to ban religion because im in favor of freedom of religion as outlined in the first amendment.

If you want to be religious you should feel free to be that.

However i disagree with the alternate stance on this debate that "religion is good"

Religion isnt good. Its utter nonsense and by and large produces more harm than good. The worst result of religion is fundamentalists who kill people or revoke peoples rights and subjugate them. But even people who are good people are still ultimately believing nonsense. Believing false things is never a good thing even if it causes them to be charitable.

We shouldnt ban religion but we should be very outspoken against it and get people to reject it of their own free and independent will.

Side: Religion is good.
KNHav(1918) Disputed
2 points

Some good words, some bad words.

It's a mixture.

If you cause others to follow you in your stumbling, you will be judged as a stumbling block.

That's a "woe" statement direct from Jesus. I would not recommend that!

And am very serious, you know what the Word says.

Choose darkness for yourself, but you take that to a whole nother level when you block the Way for others.

It's called "stumbling block"

Even if I faced judgement for my own darkness, I don't think I'd call to others to follow me.

Blind leading blind, both fall into pit!

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AveSatanas(4237) Disputed
1 point

But to me leading people away from religion is the noble thing to do. To me Christianity is nothing more than a cancer on society. The worst thing it does is cause people to justify their racist, sexist, or homophobic tendencies. If they can make it sound like it comes from god then who can question them?

But even at its most beneign it still causes people to forgo a rational view of reality in favor of a comforting illusion.

I look at it this way,

If i were in a vat of goo that simulated paradise for me. And in my mind im on a beautiful beach with a nice martini and a blunt. My girl is there with me and wild cats and dogs roam the island were on. We have a jetski and an air plane and full internet and we have everything we could ever want. Its my perfectly catered paradise. But its all in my mind.

Even thought i might be confortable in the vat. Even though im in paradise in the vat. It isnt real. And i would want someone to take it upon themselves to remove me from the vat. Even if the reality outside the vat is full of war, torture, pain, disease, and death. At least its REAL. I would always choose a painful reality over a comforting delusion. Thats what i imagine im doing by persuading people away from religion. Im taking them out of the vat.

Side: Religion is good.
FromWithin(5476) Disputed
1 point

You total liar and fool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Exterminate, exterminate, exte
3 points

10/10 rebuttal.

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AveSatanas(4237) Disputed
1 point

Good to see you have literally no counter argument .

Side: Religion is good.
1 point

Have you actually read anyone else's arguments on this website?

Side: Religion is good.
1 point

I say to not exterminate religion. Others can just not have religion but removing it from society and the world, then it's a no.since long long ago, a huge number of people, almost the entire human race believed in the word God/religion. Why? Ages ago, as we say the beginning of human race,there are huge problems that our ancestors face, like where did we start from? And what/who are we?. Our ancestors needs answers and are eager to look for these answers. . And when times that they need a hand with the problems they are facing, they obtain to find for help. the combined desperation and eagerness to seek for the questions and help, they created a "God" which gave branches to different gods and different religions. Someone or something beyond imaginary to feel security, protection,guidance, help etc. with the help of this belief in God, those questions are answered securely and all the answers comes from God himself. So, my point is, the belief that God existed/exists helped the human race maintain its mind that there is something out there beyond powerful and great which will protect you from things that may be a mischief to your life. Every time we have a problem, we can look up to something/someone who is God. I'm 15 and I don't know if he is in fact real or not but my guts tell me he is. For people out there that wants to remove Religion,well your entirely a new species of human beings and I know you may or may not agree with me (I know that in ancient times, there are people who don't believe in religion, just not plenty), but religion is a big piece to our world and what we are now is shaped with the help of religion. Religion is the beginning and is still here in our world. Conflicts, wars and fights just contribute about what religion is. It is what it is and we just need to respect our own beliefs. Ugh, why do we always need to blame religion when it's always us, humans; who needed help long ago and now complains when it helped us.Believe me, Religion is obviously not the problem here.

Side: Religion is good.
KNHav(1918) Disputed
1 point

There are extremes of everything

Extremes in Deceptions, in views, in lifestyles.

But there is one extreme required by Jesus.

And judgement to Religion is His first stop!

And He going to judge for their lack of extreme!

Revelations 3

“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

15 ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

17 Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,

18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

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1 point

There are extremes of everything

Extremes in Deceptions, in views, in lifestyles.

But there is one extreme required by Jesus.

And judgement to Religion is His first stop!

And He going to judge for their lack of extreme!

Revelations 3

“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

15 ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

17 Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,

18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

Side: Religion is good.
1 point

Religion is good as long as it applies to Muslims. Democrats like the Religion Of Islam. They must make sure they carry that narrative.

Side: Religion is good.

I would never defend a religion, but anything that has that kind of power has the power to exterminate you as well. I think I will leave things as the are; let sleeping dogs lie.

Side: Religion is good.
1 point

These are 2 documentaries that should be watched

before deciding the Bible is myths

http://patternsofevidence.com/

https://youtu.be/d90NM9tgDQE

Side: Religion is good.
1 point

If you have an ear to hear

There is an important urgent Word for today.

Many are seeing the same, because He is opening the Heavens like a scroll!

(Rev)

I can only say it was a dramatic level 10 coincidence in getting my attention recently! And not one of them was in my control, nor in the control of  others." It is the lack of control that is the most relevant. And the timing was impeccable.

I was difficult to wake up, but as I was waking up, He began to show me things so quickly. He is not waiting or taking His time, there is an urgency in the work God!

Matthew 24:22

Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

Deceptions of churches, and of the darkened prespective of the world, and the darkness of sin, and the materialism and the worries of life, these are all Deceptions, sweeping people away like never before. It's a flood poured out.

Right now as in Revelations, the sky is opening up like a scroll, He is revealing hidden truths to His people. So we all should expect the Word to show us things in every familiar scripture that we haven't seen before.

We are the 300 of Gideon's army that cup the water and drink with water in our own hands!

As everyone is being swept away in a flood of darkness, like has never been poured out before! We will shine like never before.

Being filled with their own lusts and lies it will drown them. Vultures eating and feeding on cursed flesh, eating them alive as they devour each other like the beasts they are becoming.

It's like Pinocchio's fun fair, fun then they start growing ears and tails, as the task masters remove their nice fun mask to reveal the devil that holds them captive.

Image of the beast, the mind - forehead of the beast, and the work and deeds of their "hands" There is a lot to know through the geneologies of Cain and Adam. And in the Creation story. And Tower of Babel.

Its what He woke me to show me. And it was a dramatic wake up, and as soon as I could soften even a little He started showing things at the speed of urgency.

Even though my heart isn't fully ready.

That's not His usual way, He is working with urgency, whether we are ready or not.

It's as if He picked me out of the flood and put me on ground in a hurry so I wasn't swept away also.

Because the flood is fierce!

Deceptions are running so deep, that people choose lies over truth blatently and knowingly, even when they know they are lies. The darkness is growing over any light left. And doors are shutting.

He is Separating as we stand. This is the day of judgement.

As this happens people like us will "see Him as He is," and we will shine brighter than the lamps we were shining like, while the other Virgins wake without oil and the merchants have none to sell, they can't even buy it!

The virgins who wake with oil, are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Instead of the Sun shining, it will be darkened, the moon will she'd blood, it's the blood of those who are destroyed by the stumbling blocks. It is the sea of the dead, their blood is on their hands.

But we will shine like the Sun. Because He will reveal Himself like we have never seen before, that's how we lead many to righteousness.

So His elect will shine brighter than ever, with full intensity of the Heavens opening up like a scroll!

Those who have insight will shine truth so bright, we will lead many to righteousness, in this short window

of time that is at hand, this day and hour.

Soon the Heaven will be covered with bronze! People have a short time to seek and know truth and to see Him "as He is," when truth is presented to them. If they don't they won't ever be able to.

This is sealing and separating. Them the end will come.

This message needs to go out, and be understood.

The time is short!

Shaking the dust from our shoes we are supposed to be urgent in delivery, the dust is what we walk over, the flesh.

We tread scorpions, their the scorpions stinging men today, as they raise their fists and blame God. He is cruel for His ways they say, they choose to not know Him and their being stung as they raise their fists.

If they don't take heed when they are called, the door will soon shut on them. They won't be able to buy even a piece of bread with a bag of gold.!

Think of Jesus, Judas sold Him for silver, the Bread of Life for siver, He is the truth, and soon a bag of gold won't even be able to buy truth. The truth or bread was sold for silver, and betrayed by those who handled the Bread. Like Judas they sold him for lies. But now He won't be found to be bought or sold, not even for gold.

Truth will be that hard to find, and even harder to see when it IS found.

Like it's value went from selling it and betraying it for peanuts like unrefined "silver" to so costly, it will cost everything you have and everything you are to but it, with gold refined through the intense heat of this hour. Like paying with refined gold!

Only those in God's image will be able to afford it.

So there is an urgency from God. I only understand the parts He showed me so far. He gives us what He reveals as He reveals, and as we walk in that, He gives us more revealed. So He may open more to you.

The speed of His revealing things now seems to be pretty much immediate.

At a speed I never saw before.

I'm surprised at the speed that He began to let me to seeing things around me,

but not surprised because I see that the time of day is the why. The time is now. We need to understand the urgency.

It's a time issue.

Side: Religion is good.
1 point

The problem with this question is we don't have a clear definition of religion.

Are we talking about organisations that believe in imaginary or unseen powers that control our lives? Well that would also include government, the economy, corporations and society in general. Are we talking about organisations that formalise interaction with God? Well that would not include most of the Buddhists, Confucianism and several Christian leaders.

To me religions is the culmination of a human impulse. An impulse that we see has been used for good and for ill. It has given us the pyramids, society, laws, incredible works of art. It also has inspired genocide and evil. This happened outside of "God" inspired religion as well i.e communism. To "exterminate" religion would be to chop off our own arm. We can all still learn a lot from religion. The provable benefits of meditation on contemplative prayer came from religion, the wisdom traditions still prove to be really inspirational and after all science itself was worked out by the religious.

We, however, need not tolerate it's irrational behaviour when it comes to law making. To figure out the best way for a society to live is testable and within the realm of science and religious freedom should not mean freedom to not listen to data when it comes to the wellbeing of everyone.

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Secularism is steered, weighted, and packaged.

You need to uncover truth and accuracy, and expose lies and intentional falsification of evidence, particularly regarding truth related to God and the Bible.

Each source needs to be dissected to understand the sources of secular and religious information.

Untruthful secular sources have tainted every area of information from politics to news to religious information, even to the basic modern history, and the historic reliability and credibility of the Biblical text, which should be the most credible sourse of ancient history.

Falsifications are predominant over integrity and true enthisiam of real facts and finds as evidenced in many fields of study such as Archaeology, History, and Science, and other sources of secular education and media.

Left seems to have gone further left at a faster rate than right going further right.

The left is out of line and out of control.

Much of the pull right is society trying to correct itself from extremes in the tug of war, which left pull even with cheat of the game. For examples, BLM, news edits of the sister's speach of a recent death of her brother in a police altercation, the liberal news publisized ONLY 1/2 of her speech. With full intent to spin it as a peaceful speach. On purpose to decieve, spin and lie!

That is literally STEALING independent thoughts away from the general populous, with a purpose of agenda to prevent the general people from managing their own personal property of thought! To control their own independent views and opininions. And to eliminate their own rights and freedoms to exercise their own personal judgement!

The general public has been robbed of their own minds and their own voices! Literally controlled, people have lost their ability to have independent evaluations regarding news and values and beliefs.

This dynamic of steering also dominates evaluations of Biblical credibility, many lies even falsifying and planting documents and false artifacts meant to steer against faith.

These media sources follow that course steering everything and everybody by edits to news to steer, use of propaganda and media through spin, and even falsification through staging, planting, and hiding factual evidence and information.

It's real and it's sick! And the general public are fish led by bait and hooks, fish brains are not very intelligent, they are just fish brains!"

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Evidence when viewed goes "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt!" Even secular sourses like Thallus (52AD)

Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion:

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“On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

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Here is some evidence that supports an affirmative verdict regarding many Biblical facts, including the Resurection:

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1 - The Prophetic Words, and the Biblical Directions of Prophesy, and the Plan, the ultimate bottom line action and goals of Biblical content and Prophesy.

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2 - Because Biblical History is credible it is a source in support of evidence.

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3 - Because Biblical Prophesy is credible in its fulfillments it is an even greater source in support of evidence, especially since prophesy is layered, with many separate prophesies having to also come true for one to come true! - Even greater than knitting cells together in evolution!

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4 - Because eye witness testimony, even outside of the Bible, other documents, Greek and Roman secular offer details confirming the dynamics of Christianity and Persecutions and Martyrdom.

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5 - The accounts are not contradictions, (as though any were lying) the various times and places of writings actually are a confirmation of reliability, people who lie have fuzzy memories in a week, even with practice and easy communications of our day, lies unravel because even the untrained eye can pick out lies, but that's not the case with the four gospels, they confirm accidentally each other's facts, that show true eyewitness independent works, with different perspectives of the same exact event, as you know since you "read the book" the private investigated discusses this.

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6 - The degree of insistence on the testimonies of Christians, and it's growth beyond their group, location, and generation. In comparison Muslims were militant from the start, attracting like violent individuals. It would not have the same magnet effect as peaceful Christians fed to lions. One would excell in dominance, like cell selection, the other would be eliminated as passive cells are dominated.

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7 - The Prophetic Words spoken of concerning the rejection by its "mother religion" and the Prophetic Words stating as Messiah would be rejected, All Nations would hear an exclusive religion, rejected by its originator and accepted world wide!

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8 - 300 prophesies fulfilled in just the one person Jesus

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9 - Martyrdom, the ferverency and

dedication, they most all went courageously against horrible opposition, and most ultimately died for it. And not in a group drinking poison like Jim Jones, Christians often died or were imprisoned alone and often died gruesome deaths.

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10 - Paul a Jew of Jews, happily killing Christians saw what must have been a hologram! Jesus the Risen Lord knocked him off a horse and blinded him, then sent him to talk to his disciples.

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Picture this, Saul/Paul had just led a crowd in Stephen's stoning, Saul was unmoved by it, it was something he was gladly a part of. All the Christians knew of Saul, and he scared of them, they feared for their lives.

Jesus knocks Saul off of a horse, and disarms him by making him temporarily blind. Probably so the Christians wouldn't fear him when he pulled up on his horse. Jesus made him disabled in killing them, so he couldn't harm them.

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Jesus sends Saul to get disciples that just saw him murder their friend and brother, Stephen! Now he is there to be saved, healed and filled with the Spirit.

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Paul goes on to lead the way like a work horse bringing the message of Jesus the Risen Christ to the Gentiles. Saul Jew of Jews - takes on a new name, born again, and brought the gospel out to the Gentiles.

So these are ten pieces of evidence I have and consider as evidence "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt"

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The Gospels have been historically confirmed the same way anything historical has been confirmed. But, even more so, secular sources independent of and even hostile to Christian faith have other historic texts that make the New Testament all the more reliable and credible as it is confirmed also through non-religious sources.

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Example of a supernatural "coincidence" regarding Jesus. Is noted the darkness and earthquake during the crucifixtion, noted by

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The greater challenge of the New Testament would be there are no writings saying the claims of miracles to be fraudulent. With the persecution and resistance met by Christianity, I would think there would be plenty of documentations and writings stating these rebels are liars and all the miracles are lies. This would be an even greater expectation, since we have plenty of writings in the affirmative of these supernatural dynamics. Christians had little I'd any power to control anything from the onset of the faith throughout the dark ages.

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After all, the are documented by 4 Gospel writers, and in acts and letters.

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And Catholocism and Constantine, even though he converted he established Catholocism and killed Christians who resisted Catholicism and beginning Catholocism burned their Bibles and writings.

Catholocism wanted to control the populous so only the the Catholic Church had the written Word, hence the "Dark Ages." The one sect remained true to the faith, and the Word was a black market item punishable by prison or death.

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So I consider these points as even more proof.

So, NO writings rebutting claims of miracles is also evidence in favor of the Resurection. There are No rebuttals of claims of Jesus' miracles, or of the early Christian miracles.

Which should be more so, in excessive amounts and from all sides of the opposition, from Jews, Romans, and Greeks!

They had even more reason to write against claims, then the Christians who already had much documentation of the miracles and Words of Jesus in all the writings we did and do already have as Christians.

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And that's now my 11th reason for evidence "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt!"

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Confirmations through other sources, also. Such as the the strange darkness from the 6th hour to the 9th. And it was documented to not be a coincidental eclipse. So my reason here is evidence point # 12!

In support of this evidence, is ancient documentation by Thallus in 52 AD stating it, and also astronomers confirmed there would not have been an eclipse that day. So it is a "supernatural event" or a perfectly timed coincidence.

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So therefore as the Roman Soldiers said, "Surely He was the Son of God." I conclude by the evidence, of course the Resurection occurred and it is a God thing to do according to His will and purpose!

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Personally, religion, I'm not for it. It puts so many people in a rage state if you don't follow what their religion says. It has caused many, many wars! But, just as I think LGBT+ rights are important, I think religious rights are as well. Though, I do not have respect for a person whom shoves their religious opinions down my throat. I am an atheist, yet, I respect everyone whom deserves it. Religion could be good if people just lived by actual facts, and not just religious opinions!

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Personally, religion, I'm not for it. It puts so many people in a rage state if you don't follow what their religion says. It has caused many, many wars! But, just as I think LGBT+ rights are important, I think religious rights are as well. Though, I do not have respect for a person whom shoves their religious opinions down my throat. I am an atheist, yet, I respect everyone whom deserves it. Religion could be good if people just lived by actual facts, and not just religious opinions!

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I, Personally, do not see a problem with religion.

Does it cause conflict... Yes

Does it cause many of our political issues today... Yes

But we as a team of humans need to come together and agree with one another that we are all different. Whether your Buddhist, Islamic, Jewish, Christian or another religion, let people believe what they want to believe, and worship who/what they want to worship don't let the assumption of "There is only one Religion" or "There religion is not right" Get in our way of socializing as a community and a 'Team'. Forget about the religions that we have let them do what they do as their beliefs and worry about your OWN life.

~AshC

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LOL, again the people who support no restriction abortions of viable babies up to birth for any reason when they vote for Democrats, are going to lecture Christians on evil?

LOL, you total hypocritical fools!

Tell me what atrocities Christians are supporting in America today? Exactly! NONE!

I can tell you the atrocities that Atheists and those on the Left are supporting today...

NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS of our most innocent human beings!!!!!!!!

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DS0330(267) Clarified
3 points

Many Christians support abortions as well. Pro-choice isn't limited to atheists.

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It's ridiculous to think that just because you are religious you automatically don't support abortion. In the event of rape, or if the mothers life is at risk, many people of multiple faiths will agree with the choice of abortion. I may not like it myself but that is a choice that should always be left to the woman. She will have to live with whatever she chooses and no one gets the right to judge her.

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FromWithin(5476) Disputed
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Spare me....... in all the times I have tried to get one atheist on this site to tell me they were truly pro life and would never vote for the pro abortion Democrat party or any pro abortion politician. I found one!

When I say Atheists are pro choice, I'm speaking to the vast vast majority. I'm sure there are a few who are pro life.....very few!

God says we will know a Christian by their love. Any so called Christian who is pro abortion, would not fit the definition of a Christian according to God. Killing an innocent healthy living growing baby is anything but love.

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AveSatanas(4237) Disputed
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Christians made up 90% of the movement to prevent gay marriage effectively withholding a right from other US citizens.

And we just had a fucking argument about no restriction abortions you fucking liar. You have yet to prove that the left supports no restriction abortions and even admitted to me that they support a 5 month limit except in cases of emergency.

Stop fucking lying.

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DBCooper(2194) Disputed
1 point

What we have here is a Democrat that seems to be confused.

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FromWithin(5476) Disputed
0 points

You hideous lying fool!...................................................................................

Side: Religion is good.
1 point

Have you actually read anyone else's arguments on this website?

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Good to see you have literally no counter argument . .

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Your entire tactic on this website is to claim the Democrats believe in fantasy.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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I find it hilarious that the biggest copier on the website believes this.

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