Feminism has gone way too far!
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Feminism has gone too far. http://www.australian-news.com.au/ http://www.australian-news.com.au/ http://www.australian-news.com.au/ http://www.australian-news.com.au/ http://www.australian-news.com.au/ Females - or, specifically, feminism - has gone too far. As is evident by the links which shall be supplied throughout this article. "In Australia upwards of 1 million children live separate from their fathers. Custody orders in the Family Court in the year 2000-2001 favoured mothers in over 80 per cent of the cases. Education Minister Brendan Nelson reports that the male participation rate at universities has fallen to an all-time low of 43 per cent. Only 55 per cent of 15-year-old boys score at or near the OECD mean in reading and literacy tests. In NSW, the difference between the average tertiary entrance score for girls and boys is up, from 0.6 marks in 1981 to a massive 19.4 marks in 1996. Only 21 per cent of teachers at primary level are men. A number of primary schools have no male teachers. Males in the age range 25-44 years have the highest suicide rate. The second highest rate is males aged 15-24. Males have four times the suicide rate of females." Source: http://www.australian-news.com.au/ Valeria Solanas, who rose to fame by her attempted assassination of Andy Warhol, wrote the following: "Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex. It is now technically feasible to reproduce without the aid of males (or, for that matter, females) and to produce only females. We must begin immediately to do so. Retaining the male has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. The male is a biological accident: the Y (male) gene is an incomplete X (female) gene, that is, it has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples. " Contrary to popular belief, men are very common victims in cases of domestic abuse: "For 13 years, Karen Gillhespy was the abuser. She says she broke her husband's ribs, ripped entire patches of his hair out, scratched him, bit him, beat him with a baseball bat and kicked him. He never hit back -- and he never filed charges. But more shocking to Gillhepsy are the reactions she encountered telling her story. "They told me I was the victim," said Gillhespy, 34, of Marquette. "Here's no way any of this was his fault. ... I knew the difference between being the victim and being the perpetrator. I am ashamed for what I did." Gillhespy believes most people don't believe men can be victims. She knows they are wrong. "I think it is just as serious as (violence against women) -- you just don't hear about it," Gillhespy says. "Maybe more men would come forward if you did." Gillhespy, who wed at 16, says she began beating her husband early in their 16-year marriage. Her former husband, reached by phone, declined to comment but confirmed that abuse took place. At the time, Gillhespy was a crack user, heroin addict and alcoholic. She says she beat her husband in fits of rage, usually when she wanted money or the car. "I told him he was no good, and that he was loser. I kicked him and threw things at him," she says. "I used him and used him and used him." The turning point came in February 1993, when Gillhespy struck two pregnant women in Grand Rapids while driving drunk. Gillhespy received 45 days in jail and was sent to a drug treatment program in Marquette. She has gotten a divorce, finished high school and stayed sober. In a year, she will receive a degree from Northern Michigan University. And although Gillhespy now understands the issues that led her to violence, she says she accepts full responsibility for her actions. Her strength, she says, comes from admitting that she had a problem -- and from trying to help others accept that domestic violence goes both ways. "I'm the other side of the coin," she says simply. "If you're abused, you're abused."" Source: http://books.google.ca/books?id=v- wDAAAAMBAJ&pg;=PA4&lpg;=PA4&dq;=Karen+G seC3nQ&hl;=en&ei;=Z1ZWTPqNIoH- 8AaS3o2nBA&sa;=X&oi;=book_ 20Gillhespy&f;=false http://www.batteredmen.com/detbatm2.htm http://www.ejfi.org/DV/dv-95.htm "M. McLeod, researcher, found violence against men is more destructive than violence against women. Her study revealed that women utilized weapons in 80% of cases. M. McLeod, "Women Against Men", Justice Quarterly, 1, 1984 A study of 150 Quaker families found the incidence of severe wife-to-husband violence to be three times that of husband-to-wife violence. Brutz and Ingoldsby, 1984 Research confirms that male victims of severe violence by female partners encounter widespread bias if they try to get the authorities involved. AnsonShupe, Indiana University/Purdue University, 1994 In a 1986 study, Professor Eugen Lupri found the overall violence index was 17.8% for men and 23.3% for women. Eugen Lupri, University of Calgary, 1986 " Source: http://www.fact.on.ca/Info/info_dom.htm "California State University surveyed 1,000 college women: 30% admitted they assaulted a male partner. Their most common reasons: (1) my partner wasn't listening to me; (2) my partner wasn't being sensitive to my needs; and (3) I wished to gain my partner's attention." Source: http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/ "Rates of spousal violence by a current or previous partner in the 5 year period were 7% for women and 6% for men, representing an estimated 653,000 women and 546,000 men. While there was no statistically signifi cant change in the level of spousal violence against men since 1999 (7% versus 6%), there was a small but statistically signifi cant decline for women during this period (8% versus 7%)." Source: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/ "Physical assault is widespread among adults in the United States: 51.9 percent of surveyed women and 66.4 percent of surveyed men said they were physically assaulted as a child by an adult caretaker and/or as an adult by any type of attacker. An estimated 1.9 million women and 3.2 million men are physically assaulted annually in the United States." Source: http://www.menweb.org/battered/ Male rape, both male-on-male and female-on-male, is fairly common. "Bailey in her 1998 article “A question of violence: women raping men” she refers to “[f]emale to male rape is an anomaly, and throws into question hegemonic conceptions of rape, sex and violence” (Bailey 1998). However in Fiebert and Tucci’s study published the same year they found that seventy percent of the 182 male students they studied at California State University, Long Beach had experienced some kind of female sexual coercion in the past five years (1998)." Source: http://www.matchdoctor.com/blog_82564/ "Some years ago, a young Mormon man was held captive by his attractive ex-girlfriend who had pursued him from the United States to Britain, where he was engaged in missionary work, and he was forced to engage in sexual activity with her. When he laid a complaint of rape against her, the media and courts reacted more with amusement than horror, most men in the street taking the attitude 'I should be so lucky.' Clearly there is widespread social consciousness of the fact that female-on-male rape is a rarity, not because men are stronger than women but because they are seldom unwilling to participate in sex, whether with partners known to them or complete strangers." Source: http://www.heretical.com/wilson/ Male-on-male rape is known to occur in prisons; it is known as 'Prison Rape'. "Prison rape is not only a physically and psychologically damaging experience, it is also a formidable challenge for correctional departments attempting to secure basic human rights within correctional institutions. A study of four Midwestern states in 2000 found that about 1 in 5 inmates experiences some form of pressured or coerced sexual conduct while incarcerated (Struckman-Johnson & Struckman-Johnson, 2000). According to Stephen Donaldson, the president of the organization Stop Prisoner Rape and previous inmate victim of prison rape, roughly 300,000 inmates are sexually abused each year (Donaldson 1995). Courts not only recognize that "homosexual rape is commonplace" in prison, but they also make a point to depart from sentencing guidelines if they believe that a convicted felon is particular vulnerable to rape, and fits the "prisoner rape victim profile" (Man and Cronan 2001). Besides its traumatizing effects, and lasting physical and emotional damage, prison prostitution, many times coerced, infects approximately 500 to 5,000 of customers in US prisons annually, in addition to the approximately 250 to 2,500 of prostitutes themselves (Kleiman, Mockler 1987). Prison sex, including rape, infects at least 2,000 prisoners annually. Understandably, allegations are not as high as informal estimates and self-reports. For every 1,000 inmates in Texas there are 4 rape allegations, the highest rate of prison rape in any state, compared to the national average of 1.05 per 1,000. A total of 554 inmates in Texas prison reported being raped in 2004 (Houston Chronicle 16 October 2005)." "Males comprised 90% of victims and perpetrators of inmate-on-inmate nonconsensual sexual acts in prison and jail." Source: http://www.insideprison.com/ Militant feminism, or radical feminism, is the feminist's "war" against males. ""Freedom for women cannot be without the abolition of marriage," wrote Sheila Craven, feminist author. This incredible statement was made by the National Organization for Women in 1988: "The simple fact is, every woman must be willing to be recognized as a lesbian to be fully feminine. The following is a quote form the Document: A Declaration of Feminism: All of history must be rewritten in terms of the oppression of women. We must go back to ancient female religions (like witchcraft) ... Marriage has existed for the benefit of men and has been a legally sanctioned method of control over women ... The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore, it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands, and not to live individually with men ... Now we know it is the institution that has failed us and we must work to destroy it ... With the destruction of nuclear family must come a new way of looking at children. They must be seen as the responsibility of an entire society rather than individual parents ...." While feminists would have people believe that there is no difference between a man and a woman, science indicates otherwise: "As University President, Lawrence Summers in 2005 gave a speech where he dared to suggest that innate differences between men and women could explain why men hold more seats as top scientists than women. This is a plausible thesis. According to Dr Paul Irwing at Manchester University, there are twice as many men with an IQ of 120-plus as there are women, and 30 times as many with an IQ of 170-plus. There are other studies that indicate similar, disproportionate numbers of men among those with extremely high intelligence." Source: http://www.globalpolitician.com/ "[Hirshman] takes us back to the French feminist Simone de Beauvoir’s assertion, in a 1976 interview with Betty Friedan, that “no woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children…because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” " "Focusing only on the drudgery of home life, Hirshman misses the brighter side of the female dilemma: When it comes to work-life balance, women have far more options than men, including more freedom to choose lower-paying but more flexible and fulfilling jobs. Men, by contrast, are often trapped by more rigid social expectations and economic pressures." Source: http://reason.com/archives/2006/04/01/ "Theory Feminism Divorce is a positive thing for women and children as only men benefit from family life. They believe that female single parent families are better than nuclear families for women. New Right Children may lack a male role model (as most often the female gets custody of the children) and therefore not be socialised properly which may lead them to do badly in education." Source: http://sixthsense.osfc.ac.uk/sociology/ "A common Hollywood theme is the single mother. While her "ex" is off sleeping with "sluts," she slaves at a "9 to 5," feeds and cares for the children, and makes a good case for killing the bum who abandoned her. How often is this really the case? The popular stereotype of the mean-hearted man who callously dumps his poor wife for a "pretty young thing" is a lie. According to Shere Hite, women -- the "victims" -- do most of the dumping: "Ninety-one percent of divorces are initiated by women, according to this study -- contrary to the popular stereotype that 'men leave women.'" (Women and Love, St. Martin's Press mass market edition, 1989, Shere Hite, p 405) During the seventies, Hollywood promoted this with several "liberated women" stories, in which a dumbfounded "male chauvinist pig" stood with his mouth hanging agape while his wife proudly announced she was going to divorce him. No, it wasn't his fault, he didn't do anything wrong. It was her. She had changed. Now she needs her own space and time to discover herself and be her own person. Packing her bags, she left him with the kids and rode off into the sunset to go back to school (no one said who was going to pay for her tuition) or to get a glamorous job (no one worried about where or how she would get her training), or she was just going out to be a "free spirit." Being a "free spirit" in the movies is very rewarding. In real life, however, things don't necessarily work that way. Many women discover the opportunities men seem to get so easily come only as the result of determination and hard work. And their personally satisfying but low-paying jobs don't support the kind of spending they enjoyed on their husbands' higher incomes. In the real world, women by the thousands are learning what "liberation" is like: "In the year following a divorce, the woman's standard of living falls, on average, by 73%. The man's standard of living rises by 42%." (The Great Divide, Daniel E. Van Weiss, p 21) Pop-feminists believe this is the primary cause of the "feminization of poverty," that it's men's fault, and that the government should force men to make up the difference. " Source: http://www.backlash.com/book/ "Female Friendly" courts sometimes overlook crimes committed by the female. Sources: http://www.australian-news.com.au/ Side: yes
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There is a mind blowing difference between the number of women abused by men in the United States and the number of men abused by women. We are just talking about the reported cases in the United States, the land of the free. There is no other country that values freedom and equality as much as the US and there is still a noteworthy amount of domestic and sexual abuse against women here. In some other countries women don’t even have basic rights.
I am not saying that what these women did or said isn’t over the edge. These women have gone too far. However, didn't men too? I don't see here "Men have gone too far" Side: No
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There is a mind blowing difference between the number of women abused by men in the United States and the number of men abused by women. Not according to my sources. There is some difference, but not all that much; and, of course, one must wonder how many people report it? How many men are going to call 9-1-1 saying "my wife is throwing things at me. . ." or "My wife is mean to me. . ." or "My wife is hitting me. . ." Side: yes
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Now feminist only stand-up for liberal women and I think that has taken them in the wrong direction.I have never heard a feminist stand up for an Iraqi of Afghanistan woman.I have seen them attack women who want to have a different opinion on something.Liberals have taken over the movement so it has lost some if not all of it's credibility. Side: yes
Yes it has. I may be a girl but I still think it's going too far. Women is getting away with a lot of things, with people thinking it's worse to hit a girl than a boy, which is not true However I think not ALL feminists are like this. some are going too far, but not every single one of them also not all countries women have equal rights. just saying Side: yes
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Definetly, bitches need to put back on thier bras, No! They need to keep their damn bras off! Then they can walk in the rain wearing a thin shirt. . . shave their armpits and fuck off back to the kitchen and make my dinner, oh and sweep the floor whilst they are at it. I agree with this, though. Side: yes
Unfortunately for the male populations it is the Girls with the good tits that wear their bras, as they know that it will stop them from getting saggy norks. The Braless bitches out there are the ones with tinny or rotten saggy salami tits that would make you meet your dinner for the second time if you say them wearing a wet thin shirt. Side: No
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If you read my argument, you'd have seen that many are violent to women, and that there have been feminists who have called for the eradication of all males. They are an organized movement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Side: yes
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Wrong! Feminists are succeeding in their attempts to become higher than males. Valerie Solanas, a feminist from the '60s, wrote that, once the technology becomes available for females to procreate without the help of males, all males should be eliminated. For instance, if I call a black person a "nigger", I am a racist. Few people would care if that black person had, prior to my derogatory statement, harmed me or derogated me in any way. I am white. I am, in modern culture, second rate. Another example is the feminist reaction to the book American Psycho. They wanted it banned because they viewed it as being misogynistic. However, nobody seemed to mind a feminist book which advocated the elimination of maleness. Side: yes
oh no im not saying that they are not succeed what i am saying is that women are still not equal to men. for example fore ever dollar a man makes a woman makes .80 cents. tell me how that is fair or equal??? and people would care if that black person harmed you. but its the fact that you used that word is that problem its what you said and how you said it. you could have insulted him in other ways besides using that word. so yeah, few people would care if you used that word and few people wouldnt care that you got your feelings hurt. Side: yes
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You're not seeing the forest for the trees here man. Pointing out extremists to define a much broader group is wrong. People are attracted to the extremes, they're fascinating, they're even FUN to some. When you say "feminism," a very broad group of activities, is defined by a few groups of nut-jobs, you betray the standards of your own beliefs. Is it not frustrating when an opponent defines what you believe but the screwy but loud few? Side: No
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