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 For those on this site who just seem too ignorant to grasp Churches and Gay marriage.. (24)

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For those on this site who just seem too ignorant to grasp Churches and Gay marriage..

Do you know how many times on this site, the majority on the Left ask the question why is it ok for Pastors to marry some person who has other sins, been divorced, committed adultery in the past, robbed a bank in the past, you name the sin, etc. etc., verses marrying Gays.

 

Now read carefully and learn, not that I think you could care less about the reality and truth of the issue.

The huge difference between a Pastor marrying people who have sinned in the past or might be sinning in the present, and marrying Gays is this...... For a Pastor to marry a Gay couple, he would be aiding and abedding in the sin of Homosexuality. He would be a part of it, he would me creating a union that God would never ordain and thereby going against God and their faith. That would be like a Pastor helping someone rob a bank, or help them have an abortion, or help them have a one night stand, or help them commit adultery, etc.

 

When he marries a couple who may have some sin in their lives, the marriage union has absolutely nothing to do with whatever sins they may be committing! He is not being a part of their particular sin, he does not even know about their sins, he is performing a marriage which has nothing to do with their sin. Can you control fanatics who would force Churches to support gay marriage GET THAT HUGE DIFFERENCE?

 

I realize it matters not the explanation to those on the Left because they could care less. They are consumed with their ideology and transforming America to their political correct fanatism. This is why I ban them because why waste time explaining things to people who will never admit if they were wrong or if I were right. If I am wrong about something, I would gladly admit it.

 

You control fanatics will always deny supporting the forcing of Pastors to marry Gays, or hiring Gay sunday school teachers, or supporting late term abortions purely for birth control, but you hypocrites will support the very Liberal political parties that do support these hideous things. You are responsible and obviously have no problem with transforming America by censoring religious expression in public places as well as forcing Christian family owned businesses to cater events contrary to their faith. You are truly liars and hypocrites for denying what you obviously support.

 

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Now read carefully and learn, not that I think you could care less about the reality and truth of the issue.

The huge difference between a Pastor marrying people who have sinned in the past or might be sinning in the present, and marrying Gays is this...... For a Pastor to marry a Gay couple, he would be aiding and abedding in the sin of Homosexuality.

Homosexuality is not considered some special type of sin in the Bible. So in the former example, the Pastor is condoning one sin, and in the latter, he is condoning another.

He would be a part of it, he would me creating a union that God would never ordain and thereby going against God and their faith.

The same could be said for marrying formerly divorced individuals.

He is not being a part of their particular sin, he does not even know about their sins, he is performing a marriage which has nothing to do with their sin.

Actually he is if the individuals in question previously divorced.

Can you control fanatics who would force Churches to support gay marriage GET THAT HUGE DIFFERENCE?

Not a single person on this website wants to force churches to support same-sex marriage. How do you not realize that?

I realize it matters not the explanation to those on the Left because they could care less.

Because you are arguing against a stance that people here don't hold!

They are consumed with their ideology and transforming America to their political correct fanatism.

There you go chasing those windmills again.

This is why I ban them because why waste time explaining things to people who will never admit if they were wrong or if I were right. If I am wrong about something, I would gladly admit it.

You ban everyone you disagree with, and never admit when you are wrong about anything, ever.

You control fanatics will always deny supporting the forcing of Pastors to marry Gay

Because nobody on here supports that. Why would someone affirm a stance they do not hold?

or hiring Gay sunday school teachers, or supporting late term abortions purely for birth control, but you hypocrites will support the very Liberal political parties that do support these hideous things.

The Democratic Party has not supported any of those.

You are responsible and obviously have no problem with transforming America by censoring religious expression in public places

Except that isn't happening, no matter how often you lie about it.

as well as forcing Christian family owned businesses to cater events contrary to their faith.

You really seem to hate state's rights.

You are truly liars and hypocrites for denying what you obviously support.

Your windmill chasing is so out of control. You create straw men to attack, then plaster people's faces on them and scream at them instead. Then, when people point out they don't actually believe what you are attacking for, you accuse them of lying. How arrogant can you get? You are the one on this website who most closely resembles a "control fanatic" (your words, not mine).

I really, honestly hope that one day, you will calm down and we can have an actual conversation. Not that you read anything that anyone says if it doesn't start with an agreement.

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Not that you read anything that anyone says if it doesn't start with an agreement.

start with an agreement.

i think i might try that, maybe it will work.

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 For a Pastor to marry a Gay couple, he would be aiding and abedding in the sin of Homosexuality.

It goes both ways you complete fucking moron. If he us aiding any sin he is aiding all sins committed by the couple being married.

Stoner(69) Disputed
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thats a idiotic statement ..Gods laws are way above mans laws..sins can be forgiven a lifestyle is unforgivable!

Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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Fuck you. You don't know shit. They are breaking God's laws either way. If Christians don't consider it a sin, they consider it worse then they should fucking admit it and stop lying.

flewk(1193) Disputed
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Being in a church or allowing one to be built is a sin. The Bible forbids grave images of heavenly beings. That means no images of JC, God, Seraphim, Cherubim, etc.

We need to demolish the Sistine Chapel posthaste.

GenericName(3430) Disputed Banned
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First off, you have a lifestyle. I have a lifestyle. Everybody in the world has a lifestyle. To say a lifestyle is unforgivable makes no sense.

Second, homosexuality is a sexual orientation, not a lifestyle.

It is amazing how those who are so illogically against homosexuality try to dehumanize homosexuals by reducing their entire lives down to who they are attracted to.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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You COMPLET FOOL! I can't explain it any more clear than that and STILL you don't get it! WOW!

HE IS PERFORMING A MARRIAGE WHICH HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHNG TO DO WITH SOME SIN THE COUPLE MAY HAVE COMMITTED IN THE PAST!!!!!!

WITH GAY MARRIAGE HE IS SUPPORTING THE SIN ITSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT A WASTE OF TIME!

Atrag(5666) Banned
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How long did it take you to rewrite this shit? Just copy and paste. Do you want me to explain how?

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Whoa! You HAVE to be a troll.

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You control fanatics will always deny supporting the forcing of Pastors to marry Gays

This is false and you know it is false. 80% of people don't support forcing churches according to a poll that probably doesn't exist.

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they could care less

COULDN'T CARE LESS. please just keep clear of that phrase if you can't use it with any logical meaning

skyfish(276) Banned
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he would me(sic) creating a union that God would never ordain and thereby going against God and their faith.

if god is so against the "gay" then why does he keep making them?

The huge difference between a Pastor marrying people who have sinned in the past or might be sinning in the present, and marrying Gays is this...... For a Pastor to marry a Gay couple, he would be aiding and abedding in the sin of Homosexuality.

The Bible does not state that homosexuality is a worse sin than other sins. He is still condoning the union of two sinners in both examples.

He would be a part of it, he would me creating a union that God would never ordain and thereby going against God and their faith.

Just like marrying divorcees, adulterers, etc. etc.. Why aren't you arguing against that kind of marriage?

When he marries a couple who may have some sin in their lives, the marriage union has absolutely nothing to do with whatever sins they may be committing!

Not always. Which is why the fact that you don't argue against the marriage of divorcees and adulterers is a huge inconsistency.

Can you control fanatics who would force Churches to support gay marriage GET THAT HUGE DIFFERENCE?

No one on this site wants to force Churches to support gay marriage. No one. 0. Not. No.

I realize it matters not the explanation to those on the Left because they could care less.

Actually we do care, and that's why we have continued to read and respond to what you say.

Why waste time explaining things to people who will never admit if they were wrong or if I were right. If I am wrong about something, I would gladly admit it.

Many people here will gladly admit when they are wrong. They are responding to your points because they still have evidence that makes them believe they are not wrong. You not responding to that makes it feel as though you believe you are wrong.

You control fanatics will always deny supporting the forcing of Pastors to marry Gays,

Because we don't support that!!!

supporting late term abortions purely for birth control,

I do support that.

BigOats(1449) Disputed
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The Bible does not state that homosexuality is a worse sin than other sins. He is still condoning the union of two sinners in both examples.

Maybe you and other leftist trolls will understand this:

Gay marriage is, among other things, a public declaration of two people's commitment to a particular sin. Two men who are just friends, do not get gay married. If two men get married, it implies they are having gay sex and will continue to do so in the future.

Imagine a situation, in which two people declare a commitment to "rob banks and kill people" happily ever after. A christian (let alone a christian pastor) should never take part in any sort of ceremony which would praise such a commitment.

If a pastor marries two people who have sinned in the past, he is not blessing their commitment to sin. He is blessing their union. They have free will. Nobody knows what will happen in the future. They may sin again, but Christianity always (almost always) gives a chance to repent and redeem the sin. Even if they commit sins in the future, it will not be in any way a consequence of the wedding ceremony.

If two gays get "married" and then one of them repents for his sins, the first thing for him to do would be to get divorced.

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As always deny deny deny how you support these things you say you do not support. Every single time you vote for Democrats, you ARE supporting these very things, Late term abortions, Gay marriage, people forced to pay for abortions, family owned businesses forced to cater things that go against their faith. etc.

OF COURSE the Democrat party denies supporting these things while they help the very groups pushing these agendas and who live in their party.

WHO DO YOU MORONS THINK YOU ARE KIDDING?

The entire conversation will now start with Pastors and Churches (who have already been sued in the past to hire Gay Sunday school teachers) to start being more Gay freindly and with each and every false Christian Church who have Gay pastors or who do perform Gay marriage, they will pressure others to do so until the day comes when another Supreme court activist decision comes down the pipe to FORCE THEIR WILL ON THE PEOPLE.

This why I ban such lieing fools!

skyfish(276) Banned
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oh, oh, can i be next .... pllllleeeease?

please please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please pleaseplease please please

ban me.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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it's very easy to get banned. All you have to do is refuse to admit the obvious and to say mindless rhtetoric like the GOP does the same things. (basically just be a Liberal which goes hand and hand with what I just said)

Refuse to admit that the goal from the Left is twisting the Christian faith to support anything thing they want the church to support whether it be abortion, homosexuality, censorship of communities to say a prayer in their schools, etc. etc.

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I will ban you when I DECIDE thank you very much :) You have yet to meet my criteria but I'm quite sure you will soon be getting there :)

This is where Liberals just don't get their total double standard and hypocrisy. You just adamately explained how you will not abide with someone expressing their faith in public policy(such as a community voting on having a simple prayer to start the day in any school of the people's choosing), but you have NO PROBLEM bringing in very controversial Liberal politially correct humanistic issues such as GAY AWARENSS DAYS in schools.

Can you even grasp how pathetic your double standrd is? Why do Liberals get to decide what our children will hear in schools, but no one else gets any freedom to have what they would like in school.

Do you see what Liberalism has taken from this nation? A nation built on our most basic freedom of religion, NOT FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. Our Constitution never said that the people have no freedom to express a prayer in public schools and they did so in most schools after the Consitution was written. It said that Government will pass no law that esatblishes a religion. Saying a prayer establishes NOTHING! When they have a prayer at the beginning of a football game or at the beginning of Congress each morning, does that force people to be Christians? NO!

But along came the control freaks 50 years ago who did not want their little Johnny hearing a prayer, so the vast majority of Americans lost their freedoms to have a prayer in school if they chose to do so. If you are so closed minded and insecure and intolerant to allow others the freedom to have a prayer, go to a school that has no prayer. SCHOOL CHOICE!

Today, sexual orientations gets special mention to our children while a simple prayer of love is CENSORED!

Do you even have a clue how wrong you are? This is a Liberal progressive culture war aganst Christianity and truy goes aginst everything our nation stands for.

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I will ban you when I DECIDE thank you very much :) You have yet to meet my criteria but I'm quite sure you will soon be getting there :)

This is where Liberals just don't get their total double standard and hypocrisy. You just adamately explained how you will not abide with someone expressing their faith in public policy(such as a community voting on having a simple prayer to start the day in any school of the people's choosing), but you have NO PROBLEM bringing in very controversial Liberal politially correct humanistic issues such as GAY AWARENSS DAYS in schools.

Can you even grasp how pathetic your double standrd is? Why do Liberals get to decide what our children will hear in schools, but no one else gets any freedom to have what they would like in school.

Do you see what Liberalism has taken from this nation? A nation built on our most basic freedom of religion, NOT FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. Our Constitution never said that the people have no freedom to express a prayer in public schools and they did so in most schools after the Consitution was written. It said that Government will pass no law that esatblishes a religion. Saying a prayer establishes NOTHING! When they have a prayer at the beginning of a football game or at the beginning of Congress each morning, does that force people to be Christians? NO!

But along came the control freaks 50 years ago who did not want their little Johnny hearing a prayer, so the vast majority of Americans lost their freedoms to have a prayer in school if they chose to do so. If you are so closed minded and insecure and intolerant to allow others the freedom to have a prayer, go to a school that has no prayer. SCHOOL CHOICE!

Today, sexual orientations gets special mention to our children while a simple prayer of love is CENSORED!

Do you even have a clue how wrong you are? This is a Liberal progressive culture war aganst Christianity and truy goes aginst everything our nation stands for.

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I will ban you when I DECIDE thank you very much :) You have yet to meet my criteria but I'm quite sure you will soon be getting there :)

This is where Liberals just don't get their total double standard and hypocrisy. You just adamately explained how you will not abide with someone expressing their faith in public policy(such as a community voting on having a simple prayer to start the day in any school of the people's choosing), but you have NO PROBLEM bringing in very controversial Liberal politially correct humanistic issues such as GAY AWARENSS DAYS in schools.

Can you even grasp how pathetic your double standrd is? Why do Liberals get to decide what our children will hear in schools, but no one else gets any freedom to have what they would like in school.

Do you see what Liberalism has taken from this nation? A nation built on our most basic freedom of religion, NOT FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. Our Constitution never said that the people have no freedom to express a prayer in public schools and they did so in most schools after the Consitution was written. It said that Government will pass no law that esatblishes a religion. Saying a prayer establishes NOTHING! When they have a prayer at the beginning of a football game or at the beginning of Congress each morning, does that force people to be Christians? NO!

But along came the control freaks 50 years ago who did not want their little Johnny hearing a prayer, so the vast majority of Americans lost their freedoms to have a prayer in school if they chose to do so. If you are so closed minded and insecure and intolerant to allow others the freedom to have a prayer, go to a school that has no prayer. SCHOOL CHOICE!

Today, sexual orientations gets special mention to our children while a simple prayer of love is CENSORED!

Do you even have a clue how wrong you are? This is a Liberal progressive culture war aganst Christianity and truy goes aginst everything our nation stands for.

Cuaroc(8829) Clarified
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This is a Liberal progressive culture war aganst Christianity and truy goes aginst everything our nation stands for.

WHich is funny seeing as majority of Liberals are Christians just like you!