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Debate Score:13
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Franken sex scandal was a pawn to go after Trump

Sending out an army of female accusers just before the election didn't work.

"There's something in those taxes" didn't work.

"Russian collusion" didn't work.

"Obstruction of justice" didn't work.

So now? Throw Franken to the dogs with no due process and go after Trump on sex as a last ditch hail Mary since you can't beat him on the economy or substance.

The longer Trump is President, the more the leftist media and political establishment get proven to be clowns and frauds, thus, he must be destroyed at all costs.

"Scandal Scandal Scandal". Rinse. Wash. Repeat...

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It's certainly possible. It's quite telling that Newt Gingrich was defending Franken on his show recently; Not because he believed that Franken was innocent, but because he didn't want the media to go after Trump the same way. And of course, after throwing Franken under the bus, the leftists immediately said, "Okay, well we threw Franken and Conyers out, how about you guys throw out Moore and Trump?"

Granted, I believe that the scenarios are vastly different, since there was actually tangible, photographic proof of being a sexual predator. Moore (even though I personally believe he's guilty) just got hit with several accusations (some of which have been debunked, no less), and the accusations that Trump got hit with pretty much disappeared after he became President. It's all a sketchy fucking mess. We should just throw all of the ballot candidates for senate seats out and have a write-in campaign.

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Excellent post! Probably the best I have read in weeks. Franken and Conyers were when they were in office, while Moore and Trump were before. I also believe Moore did some things, however, there is no evidence other than these woman's accusations. The yearbook thing could have been easily verified by experts, but she chose not to take that route.

Bronto, you did not mention the Democrats using the mentally unfit for president that they have been screaming about. They claim numerous psychiatrists say he should be removed from office, being mentally unstable. The Democrats go back and forth on how to get Trump. Many of these alleged allegations by these women against Trump have massive holes in their stories or have been proven discredited by eyewitnesses or having the facts state otherwise, like the woman who said Trump groped her at a concert and the date she said there was no concert anywhere near that day.

Side: Pawn

Sending out an army of female accusers just before the election didn't work.

This is bizarre right wing conspiratorial nonsense. I mean it's just bizarre. There are sex assault/harassment allegations against Trump dating back to at least the mid 1980s. There are dozens of allegations from dozens of different women and they far predate his entry into politics. Your narrative that this is some sort of Democratic conspiracy is pure, unadulterated nonsense.

Side: Collateral damage
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Your narrative that this is some sort of Democratic conspiracy is pure, unadulterated nonsense

Not really. The odds of women coming out in mass just before going into office with Roy Moore, Donald Trump, and Clarence Thomas without rabid leftist coordination and calculations is...zero. This isn't exactly chess, but more like checkers.

Side: Pawn
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Not really. The odds of women coming out in mass just before going into office with Roy Moore, Donald Trump

That isn't what happened and you know full well it isn't. These women tried to complain about Trump at the time they were harassed but the media coverage was limited or non-existent because he wasn't running for president. The women were always there. They didn't just appear like you seem to be arguing. It is just that the media began to take significantly more interest in Trump's alleged indiscretions during his run for presidency.

Trump himself is on tape admitting that he is guilty of sexually assaulting women, so your theory of a conspiracy becomes even more ludicrous given the verified confession from the accused.

Side: Collateral damage
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This is bizarre right wing conspiratorial nonsense. I mean it's just bizarre

No Muslims were involved in

9/11. Al qaeda was lying, and it was the Illuminati.

Side: Pawn
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There are sex assault/harassment allegations against Trump dating back to at least the mid 1980s

I'll give you the left's exact defense of Bill Clinton.

1)Prove a crime.

2)What's that have to do with being President?

3)Stay out of people's sex/private lives concerning politics.

Side: Pawn
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I smell desperation. Franken was absolutely one of the firebrands on the left, and his loss will be felt deeply. He's truly stood out, and one of the few that I'm not so sure was bought and paid for. He actually did fight for women's rights.

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