Free will does not exist you flea brained simpleton
Free will does not exist
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I choose to be wrong
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This debate perpetuates the same false understanding of free will that is held by believers of free will and non-believers alike. The false understanding is founded on the rediculous notion that to be act on ones own free will is to act without cause or reason. To act randomly. Of course if it were possible for a person to act randomly, then that person would appear significantly less in control than a person who acts for explicit reasons for explicit ends. Thus, the current understanding of free will would be negated by its own achievement. The current understanding presents a meaningless disagreement. The Human being is like a complex scale, whose inputs are weighed against each other and conclusions are arrived at depending, not only on the input, but on the condition of the scale itself. That is to say your actions depend on the alternatives presented, but mostly on the kind of person you are. To have free will is to know your inputs; to adjust the scale accordingly and to be allowed to do the weighing yourself. Free will means knowing the reasons for your actions so as to act in accordance with your values. It is not to act without reasons as supposed by both sides of the debate. Side: I choose to be wrong
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This debate perpetuates the same false understanding of free will that is held by believers of free will and non-believers alike. The false understanding is founded on the rediculous notion that to be act on ones own free will is to act without cause or reason. Nobody else has said this. Only you. This is a rather classic example of Amarel the Deceiver setting up a straw man argument which he then intends to tear down. Side: Free will does not exist
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The false understanding is founded on the rediculous notion that to be act on ones own free will is to act without cause or reason. I never implied that at all, what I am implying that free will is a meaningless concept in the first place The Human being is like a complex scale, whose inputs are weighed against each other and conclusions are arrived at depending, not only on the input, but on the condition of the scale itself. That is to say your actions depend on the alternatives presented, but mostly on the kind of person you are. And I already explained why people are not responsible for "the kind of person they are" To have free will is to know your inputs; to adjust the scale accordingly and to be allowed to do the weighing yourself. Which is impossible because every "decision" you make is dependent on factors which you have no control over. Free will means knowing the reasons for your actions so as to act in accordance with your values. Your values are mostly dependent on the culture you are exposed to and your level of stupidity. Side: Free will does not exist
And I already explained why people are not responsible for "the kind of person they are" That’s exactly what people are responsible for. Not choosing the makeup of your personality does not mean you are not responsible for it. It is absurd to say a bad person is not responsible because the kind of person they are is a bad one. Which is impossible because every "decision" you make is dependent on factors which you have no control over What exactly do you think it would mean to “have control” over your decisions or the factors that drive them? If a scale is broken, it will give you bad results. That’s the kind of scale it is. The quality of the results mostly depend on the quality of the scale. That’s what it means to be responsible. That’s why some people are morally better than other people. Some scales are too broken. When people talk of free will, they are talking about experiencing the process of choice and moving ahead with the outcome. This process does not occur without inputs, which we call reasons or causes. The fact that there are causes does not negate free will, rather free will depends on their existence. The fact that some people make bad decisions because they are bad people does not absolve responsibility. Side: I choose to be wrong
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